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| @Rarusu_: For the Danes, (South Norse), there was still a noticeable Difference, despite them having been closer, right? lol, I see what you did there with the Potato and the German xD Ah, it's more like a protected Minority Language for the native Finnish Ethnicity, then. Do you learn Finnish on your own or plan to do so? |
Noboru said: Can you say the same about Hispanic Investers in Europe or Asia? Obviously yes, if not, how to be successful within a foreign market? If we talk about Asia, the small and medium Hispanic entrepreneurs are in Japan. In that context, do you imagine to Japanese people buy Mexican or Peruvian food in restaurants that do not speak their language? When someone invests with the target to make money, it does not usually choose much more expensive investments, except when profits are greater. Insist, German is not an attractive language for a small or medium-sized investor who pretends to be rich. If I were wrong, many Hispanics would study German. Noboru said: Also, just because some People make Fun, are still in WWII-Mode or have otherwise become Anti-German (whether because of on-going Anti-German Propaganda or because of the current Politics of Germany), it doesn't speak for the Majority. There are still plenty of People interested or having been interested in learning German, as this Thread and similar ones have shown. Whether that Interest comes from their Ancestry, the Economy of German-speaking Countries or the Works to get some Bildung, there are quite some multi-faceted Reasons to learn the Languages that are appreciated by your Employers. Honestly, I do not think German is affected by anti-German sentiment. it does not sound realistic. People simply study a language they deem necessary. I do not doubt that many people study German to connect with their German roots, however, as more time passes, these roots weaken themselves due to the mixture of different ethnic groups. For example, many people with German ancestry also have Italian ancestry. In any case, time will tell if the German grows or decreases. Sounds good. |
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6Nimrod6 said: In a Restaurant, only the People, that come in Contact with Customers, have to speak the Language of the Country. It doesn't matter if the Cooks can't speak Japanese in your Example and still can get their Ingredients (either by someone else or by looking and simply buying them).In that context, do you imagine to Japanese people buy Mexican or Peruvian food in restaurants that do not speak their language? 6Nimrod6 said: That's a Non-Sequitur. If you come from a Region where you can already invest in the Countries around you, you don't need to go to the other Side of the Globe to make your Investments. "If Spanish were an attractive Language for Investors, many Germans would study Spanish." would be something, you could also say, though in our Case, we have at least Spain nearby, so there are some Benefits.Insist, German is not an attractive language for a small or medium-sized investor who pretends to be rich. If I were wrong, many Hispanics would study German. Honestly, I do not think German is affected by anti-German sentiment. it does not sound realistic. Some Languages have been forcibly made less necessary than they actually should have been. We would have had a much larger Group of German Speakers in the Americas (particularly the USA and Brazil + Argentina), Africa, Australia, South-East Asia and Eastern Central + Eastern + South/North Eastern Europe if not for the Anti-German Sentiments.People simply study a language they deem necessary. We aren't even an official UN Language, despite being the most spoken native Language in Europe + the Security Council is made of the Winners of WWII, instead of having Germany get the Spot instead of France or the UK, because it has grown more influential than both of them. @Rarusu_: Was Old Norse only a common, widely-spread written Standard or were they also closer with the spoken Language? Your Sami People sound like our Sorbs and Frisians, though they have been settled for longer. I also find it important to protect their Language and Culture, since they don't have a Country for their own. At least, they have bilingual Signs and they can identify as their respective Group. |
| It's 2017 so it's time we learned to use an assault rifle and went after (((globalists))). Let the peasants learn the Queen's English or piss off. |
| Is the OP based off an article you read or is it an idea you thought of that your putting forward for scrutiny? |
Noboru said: In a Restaurant, only the People, that come in Contact with Customers, have to speak the Language of the Country. It doesn't matter if the Cooks can't speak Japanese in your Example and still can get their Ingredients (either by someone else or by looking and simply buying them). The owners of the restaurants should communicate with their staff, especially if there is intentions to communicate with the administrators (something very common in small and medium investors). Your insistence on this point make me think that foreign investors that living in your country do not take seriously the idea of learning German. Noboru said: 6Nimrod6 said: Insist, German is not an attractive language for a small or medium-sized investor who pretends to be rich. If I were wrong, many Hispanics would study German. That's a Non-Sequitur. If you come from a Region where you can already invest in the Countries around you, you don't need to go to the other Side of the Globe to make your Investments. "If Spanish were an attractive Language for Investors, many Germans would study Spanish." would be something, you could also say, though in our Case, we have at least Spain nearby, so there are some Benefits. Normally, people with mercantile spirit live in contact with the river or the sea. Germans tend to relate much more to productive work than mercantile work, so that average German does not study languages with mainly commercial targets (Spanish) is no surprise. English language is the exception due to its importance in Germany Investing in Germany is much more expensive than in Ibero-America and certainly it does not obtain benefits that compensate this investment. So It is not uncommon then German language is not attractive for many Hispanic Investors. Many South American immigrants with modest conditions live in Italy. After years of saving money, they tend to prefer to invest in Ibero-America than Italy. Why? Simple, because this type of investment is much more profitable. Many Italians have realized this fact and that is why they study Spanish, because they know that their savings are much more useful in Ibero-America than in Europe. The first one is more useful for investing in something own. The second is more useful for apply for a job in a big company. Wanting to compare German with Spanish in sectors where we have a wide advantage is simply absurd. Noboru said: Honestly, I do not think German is affected by anti-German sentiment. it does not sound realistic. Some Languages have been forcibly made less necessary than they actually should have been. We would have had a much larger Group of German Speakers in the Americas (particularly the USA and Brazil + Argentina), Africa, Australia, South-East Asia and Eastern Central + Eastern + South/North Eastern Europe if not for the Anti-German Sentiments.People simply study a language they deem necessary. We aren't even an official UN Language, despite being the most spoken native Language in Europe + the Security Council is made of the Winners of WWII, instead of having Germany get the Spot instead of France or the UK, because it has grown more influential than both of them. The official history is not accepted for Argentines and Brazilians of German descent, consequently there is no such thing as "anti-German sentiment" in them. In fact, they would be seen as "Anti-Semites" by the Anglo-Saxons and Europeans who believe in the Official History. However....What happened with German language? The truth is that German language signed its sentence when it arrived to the New World. It is difficult to preserve an emigrant language when the dominant culture absorbs you consciously or unconsciously, either by the universality existing in its nature (Hispanic culture) or its compatibility (Anglo-Saxon culture). It is easy to say "I will not mix with other ethnic groups" but very difficult be faithful to these words when there is a permanent coexistence with other groups. Mennonites know this reality very well and therefore live in isolation (that means living a modest life), because they are aware that contact with such absorbing cultures is a sure defeat for them. With respect to Slavic Europe, it is enough to verify that there was not a significant mixture between Germans and Slavs to know that German language was destined to lose its influence in this region. |
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6Nimrod6 said: Yes, but they do not need to speak the Language of the Country they're residing in. Only the Parts with Customer Contact need to speak it for their Job.The owners of the restaurants should communicate with their staff, especially if there is intentions to communicate with the administrators (something very common in small and medium investors). 6Nimrod6 said: Middle Low German used to be an important lingua franca for the Baltic Sea and the North Sea for Centuries due to the Hanseatic League. The Main Difference between the Hispanic World + the Anglo Saxon World on the one Hand and the German World on the other Hand is, that the latter has had way more Competition for its Sphere of Interest. Normally, people with mercantile spirit live in contact with the river or the sea. Germans tend to relate much more to productive work than mercantile work, so that average German does not study languages with mainly commercial targets (Spanish) is no surprise. English language is the exception due to its importance in Germany The Rise of the Swedish Empire cast the Downfall of the Hanseatic League. The Rise of the Soviet Union cast the Downfall of German Influence in Eastern Europe. Appendix: Here is a Map of the Hanseatic League: http://www.hanse.org/en/hanse-historic/hanse-map/ It's true though, that we're big in the productive Sector (especially Chemistry and Engineering). All Stuff that don't really require Contact with regular Persons. Business Persons will have to refresh their English in pretty much every Country of the World. With Regard to the Investment, there may be more Investments in Hispanic America because it's a) a much, much huger Area and b) it's cheaper + there are less Regulations. The official history is not accepted for Argentines and Brazilians of German descent, consequently there is no such thing as "anti-German sentiment" in them. There were Anti-German Sentiments even in Brazil. Also, you seem to underestimate the Problem with having several Place Names in North America + Australia renamed, over 10 Millions of People being expelled from their Homelands in Europe + 1-2 Million killed during the Flights and Expulsions and People not being allowed or restricted to use the German Language for quite some long Time. Also, as I've mentioned above: unlike the Anglo-Saxons, Hispanics or even Russians, we simply don't have any larger Space to vastly strengthen our current Position, but have been put on Defense due to the constant Attacks from foreign Powers. The Prussian Culture (which has greatly influenced the German Culture) was also a bit of a universal Culture. The Problem didn't lie in the Culture, the Problem lay with being surrounded by Enemies. That's the major Reason why the German Nation lost its Influence in the World. To reach their Goal, they have successfully prevented a full Re-Unification of the Greater German Solution aside from a few Years in the late 1930s + early 1940s and have delayed the partial Re-Unification of the decimated Rest-Germany of which one Part of it has been ruined by Soviet/Russian Influence. Wanting to compare German with Spanish in sectors where we have a wide advantage is simply absurd. We have some pretty important Trade Fairs in the World (some of them are mentioned here, though the Source is a bit old). Especially the Book Fair in Frankfurt is the World's largest based on the Number of Publishers. German is also the Language with the most Translations in the Index Translationum + one of the biggest Bookmarkets, especially if you compare the Size of German-speaking Europe (mainly D-A-CH; Germany, Austria + Switzerland) with the Size of the Anglo-Saxon World, the Hispanic World or the Russian World.Also, based on the Tourist Statistics for the Galapagos Islands, it wouldn't be a bad Idea to learn German. There are many Countries for which Tourists from Germany are among the Top Visitors. If they suddenly decided not to spend their Vacation in a given Country, the Tourism Sector could take some serious Hit, as already happened with Turkey. We even have the largest Tourism Fair with over 180 Countries represented: http://www.itb-berlin.de/media/itb/itb_dl_en/itb_visitors/trade_vistor_flyer.pdf |
NoboruMar 4, 2017 4:33 AM
Noboru said: they do not need to speak the Language of the Country they're residing in. Only the Parts with Customer Contact need to speak it for their Job. Chinese investors do not seem to think like you. It's just very hard to move around in Hispanic-America when the local language is not spoken. You think that because small and medium investors residing in Germany do not need to speak German, the same happen when we talk about other regions. Big mistake! It's illogical to evaluate in the same way two realities (Hispanic and German) that are conditioned to different variables. Noboru said: Middle Low German used to be an important lingua franca for the Baltic Sea and the North Sea for Centuries due to the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_League]Hanseatic League. Appendix: Here is a Map of the Hanseatic League: http://www.hanse.org/en/hanse-historic/hanse-map/ It's true though, that we're big in the productive Sector (especially Chemistry and Engineering). All Stuff that don't really require Contact with regular Persons. Business Persons will have to refresh their English in pretty much every Country of the World. I do not doubt that Germany has enjoyed excellent commerce, but it is not the mercantile spirit that characterizes the Germans but the productive spirit. Henry Ford has the same thinking and even provides specific data and comparisons. I insist, It is not something new that Germans do not have a natural inclination to study languages with mercantile priority. Noboru said: With Regard to the Investment, there may be more Investments in Hispanic America because it's a) a much, much huger Area and b) it's cheaper + there are less Regulations. Sure, for these reasons the earnings are higher, especially when we realize that the most basic things (home, rent, food, health) are much more economical in Ibero-America than Germany. Let's be realistic, a German doctor has the oportunity to invest the savings of his life in the construction of a hospital or school in Ibero-America. This oportunity is almost non-existent when we talk about Germany (very expensive). Noboru said: There were Anti-German Sentiments even in Brazil. Also, you seem to underestimate the Problem with having several Place Names in North America + Australia renamed, over 10 Millions of People being expelled from their Homelands in Europe + 1-2 Million killed during the Flights and Expulsions and People not being allowed or restricted to use the German Language for quite some long Time. Also, as I've mentioned above: unlike the Anglo-Saxons, Hispanics or even Russians, we simply don't have any larger Space to vastly strengthen our current Position, but have been put on Defense due to the constant Attacks from foreign Powers. I doubt that any "anti-German sentiment" had been of relative importance in Brazil. For Brasilians was much easier to close the doors to the Germans than open them. Yes, Anglo-sphere was a strong anti-German sentiment, but the truth is that if this sentiment had not existed, it would have been easier and quicker to absorb the Germans due to the compatibility with the Anglo-Saxon culture. When the dominant culture has a willingness to absorb, it is difficult that most of ethnicities to offer a lasting resistance. In Ibero-America, the only Germans who avoided assimilation are those who live in isolation. Certainly URSS swept with the German influence in East Europe, but no less true that they simply accelerated a process that was going to happen anyway.... why? because It was very difficult maintain the German influence for a long time when your mix with the Slavs was not plentiful. You are overvaluing very much the German culture and for that reason you do not see these realities so obvious. You just do not see that your perception about German culture does not coincide with the perception of foreigners. Noboru said: The Prussian Culture (which has greatly influenced the German Culture) was also a bit of a universal Culture. The Problem didn't lie in the Culture, the Problem lay with being surrounded by Enemies. That's the major Reason why the German Nation lost its Influence in the World. To reach their Goal, they have successfully prevented a full Re-Unification of the Greater German Solution aside from a few Years in the late 1930s + early 1940s and have delayed the partial Re-Unification of the decimated Rest-Germany of which one Part of it has been ruined by Soviet/Russian Influence. I do not see "German inbreeding" as a problem in itself. It is simply something deeply rooted in the Germans from ancestral times. While closer a culture was to the famous tower of Babel, more heterogeneous and univeralistic tends to be (Babylon, Assyria, Egypt, Persia, Greece, Rome, etc ...). While farther a culture was with respect to this tower, more homogeneous tends to be (China, Japan, Germany, etc ...) I have no doubt that the geographic and political situation has been of relative importance in the loss of German influence in Slavic Europe, but no less certain is that the cultural bases for maintaining this influence for a long time were very weak. Noboru said: We have some pretty important Trade Fairs in the World (some of them are mentioned here, though the Source is a bit old). Especially the Book Fair in Frankfurt is the World's largest based on the Number of Publishers. German is also the Language with the most Translations in the Index Translationum + one of the biggest Bookmarkets, especially if you compare the Size of German-speaking Europe (mainly D-A-CH; Germany, Austria + Switzerland) with the Size of the Anglo-Saxon World, the Hispanic World or the Russian World. I cannot avoid smile for this childish comment. I have several posts being very emphatic to say that the Spanish language has an advantage when we talk about attracting ambitious people who aspire to get rich with small and medium-sized investments, however you mention something related to other sectors...... When my words turned into an attack against German culture? haha Of course, I do not doubt that German language offers good opportunities in other sectors, but from the beginning I refer to something very specific: Enrich by means of small and medium-sized investments!! Noboru said: Also, based on the Tourist Statistics for the Galapagos Islands, it wouldn't be a bad Idea to learn German. There are many Countries for which Tourists from Germany are among the Top Visitors. If they suddenly decided not to spend their Vacation in a given Country, the Tourism Sector could take some serious Hit, as already happened with Turkey. We even have the largest Tourism Fair with over 180 Countries represented: http://www.itb-berlin.de/media/itb/itb_dl_en/itb_visitors/trade_vistor_flyer.pdf haha I am sure most of the Anglo-Saxon and German tourists who have visited Hispanic-America will tell you that it is difficult to receive a good treatment in this region when there is no effort to speak in the local language. Believe it or not, the difference in the treatment is drastic. In fact, the number of people who study English in the Hispanic World is balanced with the number of people studying Spanish in the Anglo-Saxon World. Ecuador must not worry about secondary things (tourism), but about acquiring an authentic political and economic sovereignty. This sovereignty is achieved across a political union with other Hispanic nations. Then an Iberian Union is necessary between Hispanics and Lusitanians. To construct a Hispanic Empire with the spirit of Rome and Babel is my ideally. |
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6Nimrod6 said: That's the same for the German-speaking Area. I just said that mere Workers in a Restaurant wouldn't need to speak German - and even that only, if they have already Connections with it. If you want to open up a Shop, of course you have to speak German. Still, you can employ Warehouse Workers that don't speak German, for as long as both of you can communicate in another Language.It's just very hard to move around in Hispanic-America when the local language is not spoken. I do not doubt that Germany has enjoyed excellent commerce, but it is not the mercantile spirit that characterizes the Germans but the productive spirit. Henry Ford has the same thinking and even provides specific data and comparisons. What do you mean with "mercantile spirit"? The German Languages (both High and Low) used to influence their Neighbors as Trade Languages. Also, what specific Data and Comparisons does Henry Ford provide and where exactly?A German doctor has the oportunity to invest the savings of his life in the construction of a hospital or school in Ibero-America. This oportunity is almost non-existent when we talk about Germany (very expensive). Yes, but then again, a Doctor from a German-speaking Country in Europe has a much higher Reputation in the World than a Doctor from Hispanic America. Products from D-A-CH enjoy a better Image than Products from China, Hispanic America or Russia.I doubt that any "anti-German sentiment" had been of relative importance in Brazil. The Anti-German Sentiments were ultimately less than in other Regions, but they were certainly there. For Brasilians was much easier to close the doors to the Germans than open them. Yes, Anglo-sphere was a strong anti-German sentiment, but the truth is that if this sentiment had not existed, it would have been easier and quicker to absorb the Germans because Anglo-Saxon and German culture are compatible. That's absolute Bullshit. It was because the Germans were forced and/or made to cease their national Identity that it declined in the USA and elsewhere. It is true that URSSs decreased the German influence in East Europe, but no less true that they simply accelerated a process that was going to happen anyway.... why? because It is very difficult maintain the influence of German when your ehical mix with Slavs was not plentiful. What are you talking about? We've been absorbing West Slavic, + Baltic + Balkan Peoples into the German Ethnicity. Had it not been for Russia + France, UK and the USA, we would have had our own, greater German(ic) Empire, though for the Germanic Part, especially Sweden and Denmark had been standing in our Way. You are hyper-valuing German culture and for that reason you do not see these realities so obvious. You just do not see that your perception about German culture does not coincide with the perception of foreigners. The undervalued Perception of Foreigners speaks of Ignorance about the Importance and Significance of the Contributions that the German Nation has given to the World. It was from Germany, where printing Books has become the Start Point, that has revolutionized the whole World from the last few Centuries and made it rapidly advance forward in Technology and scientific Advancements, such as Fertilizer + other Chemical Technology, Cars + industrial Robots and even Rockets. Of course, I do not doubt that German language offers good opportunities in other sectors, but from the beginning I refer to something very specific: Enrich by means of small and medium-sized investments!! Okay, then it's a different Matter altogether. I was under the Impression that you would have claimed that learning German would not have any Value compared to learning Spanish. I am sure most of the Anglo-Saxon and German tourists who have visited Hispanic-America will tell you that it is difficult to receive a good treatment in this region when there is no effort to speak in the local language. Believe it or not, the difference in the treatment is drastic. Many People do attempt to learn some Phrases of the local Language out of Respect, but they feel certainly more at Home when there are People, with whom they can converse in their very own Mother Tongue. Building a Hispanic empire with the spirit of Babel and Rome is my ideal. The Problem is, the more you include different Peoples, the harder it is to maintain the common Ideals and Unity, especially when there is a powerful Foe that suddenly makes the other Parts of the Empire question their Loyalty towards the greater Good. |
| That's pretty...demanding. Two should be enough, with one probably being English, Mandarin or another commonly used language around the world. |
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| COME ON PEOPLE ITS THE CURRENT YEAR ALREADY GET ON WITH IT |
hope-kibou said: Mandarin isn't a commonly used Language around the World. Btw.: a lot of Chinese living abroad speak Cantonese and not Mandarin.That's pretty...demanding.Two should be enough, with one probably being English, Mandarin or another commonly used language around the world. DeplorableNico said: To some Degree, I can relate to Arabic because of the former Importance of the Muslim World for relaying Chinese Technologies like the Compass or Indian Numbers including the Zero to Europe or for pioneering Chemistry. But Turkish will be harder to convince for People to learn, even for the Advocates of German Bildung. Farsi (Persian/Iranian) is also much easier to relate to having an Interest in, considering the Influence it had on German Poetry (see Goethe's West-Eastern Divan).If you're German and you're not fluent in Arabic and Turkish, you might as well be unreflective of contemporary German values, goy |
Noboru said: hope-kibou said: Mandarin isn't a commonly used Language around the World. Btw.: a lot of Chinese living abroad speak Cantonese and not Mandarin.That's pretty...demanding.Two should be enough, with one probably being English, Mandarin or another commonly used language around the world. No, Mandarin dominates. That's sure. Only in some communities in Toronto or San Francisco that Cantonese can present as a match. In NY, Mandarin is more popular now and most of US, from Texas to Florida or Illinois. |
bottle said: I was under the Impression that most Chinese living in North America and Europe were from the Cantonese-speaking Regions. Nevertheless you're insofar right, that Mandarin has become more popular. It's still a Niche Language, though.Noboru said: Mandarin isn't a commonly used Language around the World. Btw.: a lot of Chinese living abroad speak Cantonese and not Mandarin. No, Mandarin dominates. That's sure. Only in some communities in Toronto or San Francisco that Cantonese can present as a match. In NY, Mandarin is more popular now and most of US, from Texas to Florida or Illinois. |
DeplorableNico said: Omoshiroineko said: COME ON PEOPLE ITS THE CURRENT YEAR ALREADY GET ON WITH IT This. If you're German and you're not fluent in Arabic and Turkish, you might as well be unreflective of contemporary German values, goy Oy gevalt you racist cis scum! Are you implying that there's something wrong with our moderate friends from Kaboomistan??? Prepare to get v& so Jamal can comfort your gf |
Omoshiroineko said: I love how this Depiction of an apparent Jewish Dominance over German Culture contains a Yiddish Expression, that is basically German how it has been spoken by Jewish People among themselves.DeplorableNico said: This. If you're German and you're not fluent in Arabic and Turkish, you might as well be unreflective of contemporary German values, goy Oy gevalt you racist cis scum! Are you implying that there's something wrong with our moderate friends from Kaboomistan??? Prepare to get v& so Jamal can comfort your gf |
Noboru said: Omoshiroineko said: I love how this Depiction of an apparent Jewish Dominance over German Culture contains a Yiddish Expression, that is basically German how it has been spoken by Jewish People among themselves.Oy gevalt you racist cis scum! Are you implying that there's something wrong with our moderate friends from Kaboomistan??? Prepare to get v& so Jamal can comfort your gf Kvetches internally SHUT IT DOWN THE GOYIM KNOWS |
| I would say that it's quite the opposite to be honest |
| "Kvetches" reminds me off "quetschen" (to squash/squish/bruise) and from the Way the Words are used, it sounds like something has been pressed inside you that makes you cringe from inside you. Hmm, if I learnt Yiddish, I would fulfill more or less the Goal, since I can speak German and English + partially Romanian + with Training, partially French and Spanish again, so that would make 3 Germanic Languages fluently and 3 at least partially fluently. Well, if it comes down to it, there's also Low German, Dutch and Luxembourgian I could learn. Speaking of Yiddish, it's hopefully prospering again. |
| I've studied Translation (english/german specialization) and I'm also fluent in EU Portuguese (my mother tongue) , French, Spanish, Italian and the basics of japanese and chinese. And seeing this post I don't think this is 100% accurate. First of all no matter where you go (for example if you travel to a country) people will likely use english to communicate (in the scenario that person A speaks a language and person B speaks another, so they use english). The same applies in business. So in terms of being "usefull" english is the most usefull language at the moment (in the future might change), you don't need to speak a bunch of them. Now in terms of development of brain it's a different story. It has been proven that speaking more than one language helps your brain develop more, meaning you react quickly to certain situations or to even just to simply study . Is why it's also recommended to teach babies multiple languages. Now personally I can say speaking multiple languages helped me alot. I met SO many people, made so many connections and learned so much is amazing. But I don't think you won't survive not speaking more than one language, cause to be honest people usually learn a foregein language when there is the need to. For example I learned english by self thought because cartoon networks in my country was 100% english, so I learned it! I learned French to communicate with my french side of the family, etc. Just my perspective on this ^-^ |
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Noboru said: I just said that mere Workers in a Restaurant wouldn't need to speak German - and even that only, if they have already Connections with it. If you want to open up a Shop, of course you have to speak German. Still, you can employ Warehouse Workers that don't speak German, for as long as both of you can communicate in another Language.. I am not talking about employees but investors who need to manage and supervise their own business. A small and medium-sized investor can talk to employees in another language, but remember that banking transactions, purchases and sales are done in the language of the host country. A medium or small entrepreneur who aspires to be rich does not usually leave every aspect of a business in the hands of employees. Otherwise, Hispanics who make small or medium-sized investments in Japan, would not strive to improve their Japanese. The same thing happens with the Chinese who invest in Hispano-America Noboru said: I do not doubt that Germany has enjoyed excellent commerce, but it is not the mercantile spirit that characterizes the Germans but the productive spirit. Henry Ford has the same thinking and even provides specific data and comparisons. What do you mean with "mercantile spirit"? The German Languages (both High and Low) used to influence their Neighbors as Trade Languages. Also, what specific Data and Comparisons does Henry Ford provide and where exactly?Someone with mercantile spirit gives priority to business than production. We talk about adventurous and extroverted people by nature who have to prefer wealth than fame. Henry Ford quotes statistical data from Germany. He compares the roles of Jews (Merchants) in contrast to the Germans (Producers). The source is quoted in the book "The International Jew" but I do not remember the page. Noboru said: but then again, a Doctor from a German-speaking Country in Europe has a much higher Reputation in the World than a Doctor from Hispanic America. Products from D-A-CH enjoy a better Image than Products from China, Hispanic America or Russia. Again what? what is my point? small and medium investments right? It matters little the reputation of the German doctor in this context, because they do not invest in hospitals and schools through reputation, but through money and investment opportunities. The same thing happens with the image of European products, because here we are not talking about people who give priority to prestige but to money. Noboru said: Yes, Anglo-sphere was a strong anti-German sentiment, but the truth is that if this sentiment had not existed, it would have been easier and quicker to absorb the Germans because Anglo-Saxon and German culture are compatible. That's absolute Bullshit. It was because the Germans were forced and/or made to cease their national Identity that it declined in the USA and elsewhere. The Germans could have their identity as a secret, like Crypto-Jews have always done in other nations. However, that did not happen. Unlike Pro feelings, Anti feelings tend to be more effective at strengthening an identity. Noboru said: What are you talking about? We've been absorbing West Slavic, + Baltic + Balkan Peoples into the German Ethnicity. Had it not been for Russia + France, UK and the USA, we would have had our own, greater German(ic) Empire, though for the Germanic Part, especially Sweden and Denmark had been standing in our Way. I have not denied the reality of Germanization, I simply said that it was not abundant in Slavic territories. In other words, the level of Germanization was not enough to prevent the decline of German culture in Slavic Europe. Noboru said: Of course, I do not doubt that German language offers good opportunities in other sectors, but from the beginning I refer to something very specific: Enrich by means of small and medium-sized investments!! Okay, then it's a different Matter altogether. I was under the Impression that you would have claimed that learning German would not have any Value compared to learning Spanish. That impression does not come from logical reasoning. I said that Spanish language has an advantage in those who aspire to build small and medium enterprises, while the German and French languages are good for employing people in large corporations in Europe. I do not see how to get lost in something so easy to understand. Noboru said: The undervalued Perception of Foreigners speaks of Ignorance about the Importance and Significance of the Contributions that the German Nation has given to the World. It was from Germany, where printing Books has become the Start Point, that has revolutionized the whole World from the last few Centuries and made it rapidly advance forward in Technology and scientific Advancements, such as Fertilizer + other Chemical Technology, Cars + industrial Robots and even Rockets. Foreigners' ignorance about German culture is no greater than German ignorance about foreign contributions. On the other hand, any contribution derives from the sum of other contributions. Nothing is 100% original and independent The subjection of wild animals. The art of taming horses. Paper. Ink. Mathematics. Architecture. Greek philosophy. Roman order. The contributions of other cultures have also been decisive in the development of the world. You hyper-value the German culture, because you tend to over-exaggerate your strengths and underestimate your weaknesses. Your reaction to seeing that the Germans are not perceived as great traders is a good example of this hyper-valuation. To believe that Germans could have avoided being assimilated by the Anglo-Saxons is another example (the Germans could not even avoid being assimilated by the Argentines!). Comparing the Spanish language with German when we talk about small and medium-sized investments is another example. Using a constantly defensive behavior when mentioning some weak point of Germans is another example. Noboru said: Building a Hispanic empire with the spirit of Babel and Rome is my ideal. The Problem is, the more you include different Peoples, the harder it is to maintain the common Ideals and Unity, especially when there is a powerful Foe that suddenly makes the other Parts of the Empire question their Loyalty towards the greater Good.Nature accelerates the encounter between peoples, something that inevitably produces the mixture and bonds of union. For that reason, Joseph Goebbels asserted that future Europeans would laugh at old conflicts between European nations, because they will be the product of the mixture. For the Mexican philosopher Jose Vasconcelos, the Ibero-sphere (Hispanics and Lusitans) is predestined to be the most important group in the future. This may sound ethnocentric, however for the German philosopher Martin Heidegger (the most important philosopher of the twentieth century), Vasconcelos is the most universal mind of the New World. It is not humanly possible that enemy powers can forever avoid a Hispanic and Iberian union. In fact, the weakening of US influence is increasingly evident. A confederation of Hispanic and Iberian nations united by the spirit of Babel is a reality that will manifest itself before or after a possible revival of Christianity. |
_Nemrod_Mar 11, 2017 11:17 PM
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Noboru said: I was under the Impression that most Chinese living in North America and Europe were from the Cantonese-speaking Regions. Nevertheless you're insofar right, that Mandarin has become more popular. It's still a Niche Language, though. It's easier to learn than Cantonese now. People can't even find Cantonese with Google Translate. There are quite a lot of people worldwide who can speak Mandarin now. Older tourists from Japan will find the change obvious as people may greet them with Mandarin first instead of Japanese. |
6Nimrod6 said: Most People aren't Entrepreneurs, but mere Employees. Also, there exist Translation Services. The only Kind of Entrepreneurs who have to learn a foreign Language aside from English, are those, who invest in a foreign Place of Earth where neither their own Language, nor English is well-known, and who don't really have the Money to constantly pay for Translators.I am not talking about employees but investors who need to manage and supervise their own business. A small and medium-sized investor can talk to employees in another language, but remember that banking transactions, purchases and sales are done in the language of the host country. Noboru said: What can you sell and/or Trade if you don't have a Product? In a Way, even the Grounds and the Buildings somewhere are a "Product" of the Work of People, which can be shaped into the Needs and Wishes of the Buyer. I also find it hard to imagine how you conclude that Germans aren't Traders when they sell more Things than most other Nations. Unless you define "Trade" as a large-scale Barter Transaction or Exchange Deal with Gold for Lands, or historically Sugar, Tobacco to Europe, Textiles and manufactured Goods to Africa and Slaves to America, I have no Idea where you put the Difference between mere Producers selling their Products and Traders. Someone with mercantile spirit gives priority to business than production. We talk about adventurous and extroverted people by nature who have to prefer wealth than fame. As for the International Jew, quote the relevant Parts or name the Page, since I don't really have the Time to read the whole Book. It matters little the reputation of the German doctor in this context, because they do not invest in hospitals and schools through reputation, but through money and investment opportunities. It matters a lot, because there is a Difference, whether a School is lead by a Foreigner with a good Reputation of his Nationality or whether it is simply bought out by a rich Person with a less well-known Reputation. Also, if Wealth were everything, then most People would have already invested in Hispanic America, eventually resulting in a Bubble or Price Explosion of the Grounds. Mere Cheapness is one Factor, but not the only one and the Chinese have already seen the Dangers of just mass-producing cheaply. The Germans could have their identity as a secret, like Crypto-Jews have always done in other nations. However, that did not happen. It's not in the Nature of the Germans to be sly in Order to preserve their own Culture. We're an honest and hard-working People.Unlike Pro feelings, Anti feelings tend to be more effective at strengthening an identity. I wonder if you would say the same Things, if there were a strong Anti-Hispanic/Anti-Spanish Sentiment going on, where Spanish-Speakers would be interned and/or forbidden, to publicly use their own Language. I have not denied the reality of Germanization, I simply said that it was not abundant in Slavic territories. In other words, the level of Germanization was not enough to prevent the decline of German culture in Slavic Europe. And do you know why the Level of Germanization was not enough? Right, because we didn't have a strong Sense of Unity and powerful Enemies, who were occasionally also attacking us at the same Time.I said that Spanish language has an advantage in those who aspire to build small and medium enterprises, while the German and French languages are good for employing people in large corporations in Europe. I do not see how to get lost in something so easy to understand. It really sounded as if you had centered everything of Importance in the Hispanic World, as if the numerous Trade Fairs in German-speaking Europe wouldn't matter. Speaking of which, if the Spanish Language has that much Advantage for building small and medium Enterprises, where are the internationally renowned Trade Fairs in Hispanic-America that center about those?Foreigners' ignorance about German culture is no greater than German ignorance about foreign contributions. That Statement speaks more than anything about Foreigner's Ignorance about German Culture. There is hardly a Culture on Earth, who has been as fascinated by and dealt with as many multiple Ethnicities and foreign/ancient Cultures as the German one. For Instance, there has been quite a Boom for some Time for Native Americans in German-speaking Europe. We were also considered as World Travel Champions for a long Time, since no other Nation had as many People travel through different Countries. We're also known for having Wanderlust (the Longing to go out hiking in Nature), Fernweh (the Longing for going outside one's own Culture) and Heimweh (roughly Homesickness).Particularly the Ancient Greeks played a large Role in the Forming of our own Culture. Goethe got refreshed through his Italian Travel and found Inspiration in the Persian Culture. Schliemann's Discovery of Troy/Troia caused a regularly Hype for Ancient Greece. Jacob Grimm said that the Hungarian Language was a perfectly-structured Language, surpassing every other Language in the World. He also ranked the Germanic Culture lower than the Greco-Italian one. I know that there have been several Italian Monks, Inventors and Universal Genies, who were the Forerunners as to what the Germans have later also come to the same Results or improved their previous Findings. There are also great English/Anglo-Saxon Persons excelling in Science and Law Philosophy. I don't hyper-value German Culture, I simply don't under-value it. 1) Germans not being perceived as great Traders may depend on what you see as "Traders". 2) Being subject to Assimilation depends on how strong the Host Nation is, whether or not the Guest Nation will be forced to assimilate in order to survive (aka not being persecuted by foreign Agents) and how much Support they get to keep their Culture. For Centuries, the German-speaking Transylvanian Saxons could preserve their Language far away from their ethnic Motherlands, because they had a high Reputation and could keep their own Rules and Rights. Also, fresh Migration from the Mother Countries helped prolong the Language Preservation. 3) I find it amusing why I shouldn't compare the Spanish-speaking World with the German one, when we have a large Mittelstand (lower and medium-sized Firms). I wonder what the Hispanic Equivalent is called and how many People have heard about that instead of the Mittelstand. 4) The only weak Points we ever had was allowing ourselves to get surrounded by Enemies inside and outside, and to have even ourselves belittling our own Importance. A confederation of Hispanic and Iberian nations united by the spirit of Babel is a reality that will manifest itself before or after a possible revival of Christianity. Even if that comes, there's no Guarantee that it will be lasting. Btw., what do you mean with the Spirit of Babel? How different Peoples regardless of ethnic Background will be united by a common Language, for which you think Spanish will unite the Peoples?@bottle: That may be very well the Case that Mandarin is more wide-spread and thus easier to learn, however, it doesn't necessarily mean that you will have more Use with it when you just want to speak to your Asian Neighbors, who likely rather come from a Cantonese-speaking Region. Also, if you can't find it on Google Translate, you look for other Sources. Google Translate is actually not that good. If you really want to learn a Language, you consult actual Dictionaries and later, preferably with only one Language. It's possible that Mandarin has overtaken Japanese as the prestige exotic Language to learn for Western Businessmen, however, it still remains a prestige Niche Language compared to French, German and Spanish. |
NoboruMar 13, 2017 3:05 PM
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