| Depend in what context I see both... |
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| I've recently been enjoying shows like The Wire and Stranger Things, and I absolutely loved Breaking Bad, Twin Peaks, OITNB and the first couple of seasons of GoT before it bored me. There's also a couple of new series coming out on other streaming sites that are fantastic. So I do like western television, but that doesn't mean I can't love anime. lol why does it have to be one or the other? The biggest advantage anime has over western tv is the fact that 40+ new shows air every three months so there's always going to be something new to watch. While western tv can take years before a new season starts up again, or something new (and good) replaces one that ended, you can watch hundreds of new anime, which is awesome. |
| Nope. If that was true, then why would I be watching anime? Though there are some worthwhile stuff sometimes, like Battlestar Galactica. Not often, though. I prefer asian live-action. |
| to me anime is superior because comedy in western television involve the actors looking in a direction outside the cameras' pov and make some cringy reaction. A tumbling noise or a cat screaming may be played as well as for other genres, i like police dramas and stuff and to me the west does that better because it just seems more real life to me :[ |
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| Only top anime can compete with Western TV shows imo. Though, I find anime a much faster source of entertainment and has reasonable amounts of episodes and seasons (Western TV shows can get up to 8 seasons, wtf?) |
Nabris said: I've recently been enjoying shows like The Wire and Stranger Things, and I absolutely loved Breaking Bad, Twin Peaks, OITNB and the first couple of seasons of GoT before it bored me. There's also a couple of new series coming out on other streaming sites that are fantastic. So I do like western television, but that doesn't mean I can't love anime. lol why does it have to be one or the other? It doesn't. Saying you find one of them better at something is not the same as only being able to like one of them. Many people in this thread seem to think saying A is better than B at something means they hate B and find it crap, but it makes no sense to me. With that logic having a favorite show means you can't like anything else? The biggest advantage anime has over western tv is the fact that 40+ new shows air every three months so there's always going to be something new to watch. While western tv can take years before a new season starts up again, or something new (and good) replaces one that ended, you can watch hundreds of new anime, which is awesome. That isn't really true. People just don't put in the same effort when looking for live action compared to looking for anime so they might be under that impression.. For anime they scour seasonal charts months ahead while for TV they tend to be satisfied with checking what is aired on TV and don't look any deeper into it. Because I'm pretty sure there are at least as many american TV shows as anime each year. Here is just a bit of an incomplete overview over the current TV year to give you a picture (http://www.metacritic.com/feature/tv-renewal-scorecard-2016-2017-season). And I regularly check out seasonal previews for american TV and it's often 50+ series. That's new Series. There are at least as many sequels airing each season. There just are so fucking many stations, and with the recent growth of streaming services producing their own shows the tendency is only growing. If you include other western parts like England or Scandinavia which have been producing more and more internationally relevant TV Series there's definitely more of those shows compared to anime. Anime just airs them by a stricter schedule, with those 3 month intervals. While western TV only has vague starting dates for seasons (fall and spring) but depending on the station stuff can start airing anytime and not all at the same times like in anime. |
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| I don't know what you're talking about. Even since I was little, I've learned more from anime than any sloppy Western medium presented to me. (That includes you, Disney.) Well, I guess I have a soft spot for Steven Universe and Samurai Jack, but regular Western television and movies bore me to no end. Especially all the superhero crap. blegh. ...But I know this is just bait, so whatever, byebye. :P |
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| Consider most of what anime has shown recent years. I would ever consider many of the old cartoon from my childhood being way more entertaining and fun, |
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erparom said: 15poundfish said: .Western media often gets a bad rap for having too many episodic shows, but I found the shows with overarching stories blow the best anime out of the water. HBO shows like the Wire, West World or netflix originals like House of Cards have more depth and characterization than the poster child anime for depth like Evangelion or other fan favorites. The cartoons like the Clone Wars, Avatar,etc are far better than most shounen anime and have better animation despite being extremely old shows. It seems western media quality wise is superior and the only strength anime has is its variety and novelty. What is the reason why other mediums seem to always be a step ahead of anime? is it lack of writing talent? Do they take writing less seriously because its a cartoon? You can't compare Bananas and Oranges. However, the problem with your perception is the anime you've watched so far. If you compare Naruto or One Piece (or most mainstream anime) with Rome or Game of Thrones, is like saying that Italian cars are better than Japanese cars by comparing a Ferrari with a Tsuru. I like Game of Thrones, but One Piece is better. This has nothing to do with cars. You are also confused about maturity. You are comparing very adult series for people with very strong criteria against shounen. I don't know you, but I prefer Black Lagoon than House of Cards or Full Metal Panic! than Star Wars Rebels. He specifically mentioned NGE which is praised for its mature appeal and compared shounen to the closest western equivalent TLA. His comparisons make more sense than comparing a mindless action stylefest like Black Lagoon to a political drama in my humble opinion. If you look for very high character development, very mature plot, etc then you need to look for the right anime, and believe me, there it is for you to watch. Nobody doubts that. This thread is not about their existence, but whether the best of them can live up to the best comparable western series. I won't compare western garbage with Japanese anime, because it's an idiotic comparison for me. I love as much watching Breaking Bad than watching Garden of Sinners. However, age, maturity and taste play a very high role in your tastes. Of course factors are relevant for taste. But that has nothing to do with what OP said. To begin making fair comparisons of anime and western series, I suggest you watch the following animes and then I dare you to reinsure your statements. -Garden of Sinners -Black Lagoon -Rurouni Kenshin: Trust & Betrayal -Cowboy Bebop -Baccano! -Ghost in the Shell -Sword of a Stranger -Gurren Lagan -Berserk -Gungrave -Claymore -Perfect Blue -Ga Rei Zero -Bakemonogatari Series -Blood + -RIN; Daughters of Mnemosyne -Knights of Sidonia -Paranoia Agent -Mardock Scramble -Eden of Grisalia -Monster -Kill la Kill -Steins;Gate -Mononoke no Hime -Nausicaä -Madoka -etc etc etc You will find that -A LOT- of western series and movies have very strong influence of some of those titles, like Matrix being a Ghost in the Shell copy or The Black Swan very similar to Perfect Blue. Not to talk about Films and Anime directly using Anime techniques like Scott Pilgrim vs The World, RWBY, Samurai Jack, Magnific 7,etc. Of course, anime has also a lot of western influences. Just look at eye or hair colors at anime. Just watch some of the anime I suggrest, those are among the most mature animes out there. Then compare, make your own mind and tell us your results. I'm not OP but I've seen them all and while I loved many of them, the only ones that compare to stuff like The Wire or Oz are Bebop and Monster, but even those just do different things. Most of these anime don't are about gritty realism in their characters and critically portraying them in the context of real world problems. Most of what you listed are stylish action flicks, experimental sci-fi, abstract psychological stuff, over-the-top stuff, visual feasts or plain fantasy. Anime does a lot of interesting and niche things, but in some respects it can't compete with western series (and vice versa). No amount of anime that I watch will change that. You basically just proved what I was saying earlier by listing all these shows that don't offer anything close to what I'm looking for in my live action favorites. Anime just doesn't have many, if any, shows comparable to The Wire, Oz, House of Cards or Boston Legal. Its focus lies elsewhere 99% of the time. Also most of the really good examples are missing from your list :( (LOGH, Master Keaton, Kino's Journey, Planetes, Ashita no Joe etc...) |
AlcoholicideFeb 15, 2017 9:55 AM
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| To be honest, the very reason why I got into anime was because i was sick and tired of the bulls**t that is served to us by Hollywood regularly. I mean, both have great things to offer, mixed with a lot of generic, horrible s**t, but I guess that goes for any medium. Anime is a nice alternative to Western TV and cinema, and neither is inferior to the other if you ask me. |
| Of course anime is better then western because of the glorious animation and a good storyline well i must admit some of the western tv do have a nice storyline but the animation does not really catch my eye |
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| So much anime comes out nowadays there are probably at least gonna be 2 or 3 shows a season that you genuinely enjoy. The production of western T.V is a lot slower, but I do feel like there is better content. It depends on if you're talking about just cartoons or like western T.V in general, cause then you can include stuff like Black Mirror, The Wire, True Detective, Twin Peaks, Game of Thrones, West World etc. which have extremely high production values. There are definitely great cartoons though which are comparable if not better than anime. The Maxx, Samurai Jack, Rick and Morty, Bojack, Over the Garden wall, Aeon Flux, Batman TAS and Beyond. I don't think anime is as carefully produced though, and the highs and not quite as high with anime, especially since things can be quite Japan-centric. |
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| I dunno Anime has Monster, Legend of galactic Heroes, Ashita no Joe, Fullmetal alchemist. I havent seen enough western stuff to decide though. |
flannan said: 15poundfish said: The cartoons like the Clone Wars, Avatar,etc are far better than most shounen anime and have better animation despite being extremely old shows. That's a blatant lie. I have actually seen Avatar, and it's notably dumb, childish and full of american toilet humor. The only reason you could like it is because you're american. Avatar wasn't that bad, it was a good show in my opinion, better than most shounen anime out there. Well, I guess my opinion doesn't weight that much when it comes to shounen, because I hate that genre anyway. BTT: It's all up to personal preference, if you enjoy american shows more stick to them, nobody forces you to watch anime and nobody ever said that "anime>cartoons". It's just peoples opinions, why do you even care. I prefer anime over any other passive entertainment because you can find some insanely good shows if you just look for 'em. The huge variety of anime is what makes anime so good, besides your generic seasonal harem/moe show there are plenty of originals that you just can't compare to cartoons or any other medium. Animation is all about the budget, just take Kimi no na wa. as example. High budget = insane animation, same goes for Kotonoha no Niwa. There are just too many shows with a low budget that just can't afford the best animation and let's be real here, animation is just one of the last things that really affect my enjoyment. Same goes for the characterization part, not all shows focus on 2deep4you characters. Just take Monster as example, the characterizations are top-notch and the show is quite old. Serial experiments lain is a great example too, I never saw a character go through such a development in any medium. Never thought that cartoons are a step ahead of anime. You can't really compare these things, it's like Bollywood and Hollywood, it's targeted on a diffrent audience, if you don't count yourself to them you are just sticking to the wrong medium of entertainment. |
| how is anime inferior to western tv shows....just how... |
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| Well, there are more than a couple of reasons for that. 1) Cultural differences. Some things feel more natural for us, because we are better used to it. 2) Run time. On the regular, when it comes to tv shows, they are twice the length of an anime, thus giving it more time to develop characters and plot. 3) Budget. As far as I hear, anime shows are made on extremely tight budgets. 4) Anime tends to be very dramatic, especially when it comes to characterizations and abilities of characters. A genius like a Lelouch, for example, would break our suspension of disbelief if he was in a western show. |
| I'm sure it's a matter of preference I used to watch western TV A LOT.Like at least 20 show.Now I only follow GoT.I don't think one is inferior/superior to other.It's just I find anime to be more entertaining and appealing. |
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| Citing one or two good western tv shows doesn't redeem the zillion other, utterly terrible western tv shows that choke the networks these days. Bad anime is far more passable than bad western shows, whatever selective criteria we try to use comparing good anime vs good western shows. Andan210 said: Oh look, another thread that tries to say that just because Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon have like 7 or 8 half decent shows, that means that now the totality of western animation is superior to everything the anime industry has made for the last 50 years. Yep, I see nothing wrong with that logic. No, sir. And that's really what debates like this almost always boil down to. People don't care how long anime has been pushing boundaries or exceeding the limitations imposed on American cartoons, if the most recent anime season was disappointing compared to last year's batch of cartoons then all anime must suck. |
Ivo-gojiFeb 15, 2017 1:08 PM
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| The only live action western TV shows I have watched are Breaking Bad, Stranger Things, The Walking Dead, House and Scrubs although I do want to watch Black Mirror and West World too. That's as far as I would go with western live action shows.. It's far from being one of my favourite mediums like anime is. I mean we have shows like Madoka Magica. That says enough really. Also I have very little experience with Western animated shows. Apart from Adventure Time (which I thought was really good until I lost a lot of interest in it), South Park (which is the only good American animated comedy in my opinion), The Simpsons, and Family Guy as well as the 90s Cartoon Network shows that is all I have seen. Anime is just so much better to me. It's up there with video games as my favourite medium. That said, 90s Cartoon Network shows were awesome and a big part of my childhood. Though I haven't seen much anime there is only a handful that I have seen that I consider bad or average. Whereas there are tons of American shows which I cringe thinking about. |
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| Anime got to me emotionally while live action never did. Also they don't have Garden of Sinners so no I don't agree with you OP. |
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Pixel_Vapour said: Though I haven't seen much anime there is only a handful that I have seen that I consider bad or average. Whereas there are tons of American shows which I cringe thinking about. Probably because you handpick the anime you watch like most people while often randomly encountering western TV shows on television without any quality control on your side. It's not like zapping through channels will show you any bad anime, but it will make you aware of lots of random shit on TV, whose japanese/anime equivalents you'd never even know. This applies to most people who replied in this thread, I'm just quoting you because you're the most recent guy who went on about having a much worse impression of western TV compared to anime so don't take it personal, your post was much more levelheaded than a lot of the others who extressed similar impressions. I think a have a more positive opinion of western television than most people here (judging from the replies in this thread) because I haven't had a TV for 10 years and search for new shows the same way I search for new anime, by browsing through databases, recs from friends I trust, keeping an eye on certain directors/writers/actors/studios/channels. Not by turning on the TV and judging the medium based on what is airing. Western Television is just closer to home and we get all the unfiltered crap as well while anime goes through various filters before you ever watch it (needs to be subbed, streamed, ripped, recommended and you need to make the conscious decision to watch). But when it comes down to it it's not less ignorant to judge the whole medium of western television based on vague mainstream impressions on TV than doing the same for anime and thinking it's all Pokemon and Naruto kids stuff. It's very easy to go down that road, but anybody who think 'normies' should be more open-minded about anime and not judge it on some superficial impressions they got, can at least extend the same courtesy to western television. Avoiding western TV because you didn't like, idk, Breaking Bad, Walking Dead and Game of Thrones is like avoiding anime because you didn't like Bleach, Naruto or One Piece. Too many posts in this thread are snap judgments of people who never seriously tried to find something that interests them in western television and just pat themselves on the shoulder with animes alleged superiority because they are not interested in whether it's true or not. They just aren't interested in anything else as long as they are satisfied with anime and whatever other hobbies they are. But guess what, that is how every ignorant guy shittalking anime because of superficial prejudices thinks. It's easier to justify ignoring a medium when you tell yourself it is inherently inferior than to just admit you are too lazy to look into it because you already have something you like to do/watch. |
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| anime has jojo, so it is obviously superior |
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| Not really. I'm more of an anime watcher but each year there is usually a pretty even mix of both new Western TV and Anime shows that I have really enjoyed. Movies on the other hand have fallen wayside. Which doesn't mean that they are inferior, I just don't have as much interest in them. |
mc093Feb 15, 2017 3:15 PM
| I barely watch tv as is so i can't say much but i will say i have maybe at max about 12 shows i actually enjoy that i watch but most of them i am behind on now as i haven't kept up with them aside from a select few also i should mention all of these shows i'm referring to are the hour long ones. There are a few normal half hour shows on tv i have enjoyed over the years but only watch when bored but never keep up with them but as compared to anime i vastly prefer it to western because there is so much more for me to experience that i will enjoy more and western stuff is mostly all the same. |
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Rasheed said: Only top anime can compete with Western TV shows imo. Though, I find anime a much faster source of entertainment and has reasonable amounts of episodes and seasons (Western TV shows can get up to 8 seasons, wtf?) Talking about pighead capitalism. Western TV's obsession with ratings, and keeping a series so long as it generates profits will mean less shows will actually stand as whole works. |
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Pullman said: Because I'm pretty sure there are at least as many american TV shows as anime each year. Here is just a bit of an incomplete overview over the current TV year to give you a picture (http://www.metacritic.com/feature/tv-renewal-scorecard-2016-2017-season). And I regularly check out seasonal previews for american TV and it's often 50+ series. That's new Series. There are at least as many sequels airing each season. There just are so fucking many stations, and with the recent growth of streaming services producing their own shows the tendency is only growing. If you include other western parts like England or Scandinavia which have been producing more and more internationally relevant TV Series there's definitely more of those shows compared to anime. Anime just airs them by a stricter schedule, with those 3 month intervals. While western TV only has vague starting dates for seasons (fall and spring) but depending on the station stuff can start airing anytime and not all at the same times like in anime. Yo thanks for the link, I'll definitely use that to find some more shows to watch ha. It's true I don't really follow western TV as much as I do anime, so I can't say I fully understand how seasons and schedules work, but holy shit that's a lot of shows to keep a person busy all year. |
Pullman said: Nabris said: I've recently been enjoying shows like The Wire and Stranger Things, and I absolutely loved Breaking Bad, Twin Peaks, OITNB and the first couple of seasons of GoT before it bored me. There's also a couple of new series coming out on other streaming sites that are fantastic. So I do like western television, but that doesn't mean I can't love anime. lol why does it have to be one or the other? It doesn't. Saying you find one of them better at something is not the same as only being able to like one of them. Many people in this thread seem to think saying A is better than B at something means they hate B and find it crap, but it makes no sense to me. With that logic having a favorite show means you can't like anything else? I feel like most people use the same kind of logic when scoring shows. Saying something is notably better than the other and reflecting it in the rating seems hard for them and apparently lowers the enjoyment somehow. I also never knew there are soo many new american TV series every season :O |
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| Anime is pretty much inferior to any medium out there. - Unfinished series (lack of sequels/24 eps long anime) - Lack of creative original series - Poorly adapted (manga/novels) The current trend atm. |
MarroneFeb 16, 2017 8:12 AM
| @15poundfish I hope you notice how all you're doing is naming some good western shows while completely ignoring anything anime has to offer. Hell, I'm not even taking either side as to which is better, but I know that your arguments are trash. Naming good shows doesn't redeem the other dozens of fecal matter the industry produces and vice versa. Oh, and on another note, your last bit about female characters and fanservice really made me laugh. Good work on that, fam. |
AltoRoarkFeb 16, 2017 10:02 AM
15poundfish said: My point from the start that although anime has good things like variety and novelty it is not as good as the best stuff western television has to offer. The peaks of both mediums heavily favors western television especially if you are looking for mature stories for adults. No, I am not talking about violence and soft core porn I am talking about stories with characters with depth and a story that respects its audience and doesn't hand hold them all the way through like a lot of anime. Good western shows from the Crime/Sci-fi/Drama genres completely outclass the anime counterparts. Anime is starving for good titles of these genres and even the ones that are excellent by anime standards are just not anywhere near as good as the ones you can watch from western television. The average female character in western television is represented better than anime and the fan service is also done better than anime. Well it's obviously all down to opinions. In my opinion female characters are far better in certain anime. I also never felt like it hand holds the audience. You can find some really mature stories in anime, plenty of stuff for adults. I admit anime doesn't have a whole lot to choose in those genres but to me they're more applicable to my tastes than western TV. The one thing I can agree on is that fan service can sometimes be over the top with anime. So does Western TV though. (Also I kind of couldn't really care about western TV with the amount of anime I have to watch.. Just glance at my PTW list!) |
Pixel_VapourFeb 16, 2017 10:06 AM
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eyesalad said: Cirno9 said: Avatar wasn't that bad, it was a good show in my opinion, better than most shounen anime out there. Well, I guess my opinion doesn't weight that much when it comes to shounen, because I hate that genre anyway. BTT: It's all up to personal preference, if you enjoy american shows more stick to them, nobody forces you to watch anime and nobody ever said that "anime>cartoons". It's just peoples opinions, why do you even care. I prefer anime over any other passive entertainment because you can find some insanely good shows if you just look for 'em. The huge variety of anime is what makes anime so good, besides your generic seasonal harem/moe show there are plenty of originals that you just can't compare to cartoons or any other medium. Animation is all about the budget, just take Kimi no na wa. as example. High budget = insane animation, same goes for Kotonoha no Niwa. There are just too many shows with a low budget that just can't afford the best animation and let's be real here, animation is just one of the last things that really affect my enjoyment. Same goes for the characterization part, not all shows focus on 2deep4you characters. Just take Monster as example, the characterizations are top-notch and the show is quite old. Serial experiments lain is a great example too, I never saw a character go through such a development in any medium. Never thought that cartoons are a step ahead of anime. You can't really compare these things, it's like Bollywood and Hollywood, it's targeted on a diffrent audience, if you don't count yourself to them you are just sticking to the wrong medium of entertainment. >Animation is all about the budget, just take Kimi no na wa. as example. High budget = insane animation, same goes for Kotonoha no Niwa. You know, I don't really bother correcting people for the most part when they say Makoto Shinkai's movies are well animated, but they're really not. The animation is better than TV anime obviously, but it's dull and kind of lifeless. Serviceable but not good. What you're probably thinking of are the backgrounds and digital filters and the colouring (which are really great, I admit) "Lifeless" is your opinion. Thing is, it looks great, like way better than everything else I saw. Idc if it's not the animation, it looks sexy and has that whoa effect unlike your western shows. |
Marrone said: You could easily argue against that with western tvAnime is pretty much inferior to any medium out there. - Unfinished series (lack of sequels/24 eps long anime) - Lack of creative original series - Poorly adapted (manga/novels) The current trend atm. -An absurd amount of reality TV that never seem to end -Lack of creative original series(Cop dramas galore) -Shows get canceled all the time See this doesn't go anywhere. Your reasons are no better than mine. |
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Major123 said: Marrone said: You could easily argue against that with western tvAnime is pretty much inferior to any medium out there. - Unfinished series (lack of sequels/24 eps long anime) - Lack of creative original series - Poorly adapted (manga/novels) The current trend atm. -An absurd amount of reality TV that never seem to end -Lack of creative original series(Cop dramas galore) -Shows get canceled all the time See this doesn't go anywhere. Your reasons are no better than mine. - who even watches reality tv. I haven't got time for the kardashians. I'm talking about prime tv shows like the wire and mr robot. they get meaningful sequels that continue or end the story. unlike anime. - there's more creative original works than anime ( a satisfactory amount) - better to cancel a show and save us the rage and agony than to butcher it and give a poor adaptation. |
15poundfish said: Western media often gets a bad rap for having too many episodic shows, but I found the shows with overarching stories blow the best anime out of the water. HBO shows like the Wire, West World or netflix originals like House of Cards have more depth and characterization than the poster child anime for depth like Evangelion or other fan favorites. The cartoons like the Clone Wars, Avatar,etc are far better than most shounen anime and have better animation despite being extremely old shows. It seems western media quality wise is superior and the only strength anime has is its variety and novelty. What is the reason why other mediums seem to always be a step ahead of anime? is it lack of writing talent? Do they take writing less seriously because its a cartoon? Even the best cartoons aren't on the level of great anime. Avatar and clone wars aren't as good as great shounens like FMAB or HxH 2011. Also, there aren't much good western shows, they are either really good or really bad. Anime quality makes more of a curve, while bad western shows are REALLY awful. The best of the best western shows are better than the best anime though, but there are WAY more good anime than there are good tv shows. Also, bad anime are more enjoyable than bad western tv shows. Live action wise, American TV beats Japanese TV but in terms of animated TV western tv is a joke compared to anime, as a matter of fact, the only western tv show i'd give a score over 8 is South Park ( Great characters and genius humour most of the time. ) |
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15poundfish said: AltoRoark said: @15poundfish I hope you notice how all you're doing is naming some good western shows while completely ignoring anything anime has to offer. Hell, I'm not even taking either side as to which is better, but I know that your arguments are trash. Naming good shows doesn't redeem the other dozens of fecal matter the industry produces and vice versa. The argument that the quantity of bad titles defines a medium is misguided and silly. There are thousands of bad pieces of entertainment in any medium and enough that one person could not watch it in their entire lifetime. What matters are the good shows because they are ones that raise the standards and quality of a medium. Nobody cares about throwaway shows because they don't set standards or have much lasting value. If people believed in your rhetoric than books would be the worst medium because there is a lot of shitty books. Most people though would argue Books is the best medium for storytelling because its far more matured as a medium and has the best stories. so we should basically disregard 90% or more of what a medium contains when discussing its quality? the ratio between good and bad shows when discussing a medium quality should not de discarted just because someone can not watch most of the stuff to get a full picture and if we are comparing the stand outs only i could easily mention anime titles that equal or surpass most of the ones you are mentioning |
15poundfish said: TheKawaiiZombie said: Even the best cartoons aren't on the level of great anime. Avatar and clone wars aren't as good as great shounens like FMAB or HxH 2011. Also, there aren't much good western shows, they are either really good or really bad. Anime quality makes more of a curve, while bad western shows are REALLY awful. The best of the best western shows are better than the best anime though, but there are WAY more good anime than there are good tv shows. Also, bad anime are more enjoyable than bad western tv shows. There also is a lot more western television shows including sequels coming out every year. Its often really difficult to find a show because its more difficult to spot a bad western tv show than it is with anime. With Anime its super easy to find which titles are going to be decent at first glance because you can read the source material or watch the first episode. A bad Western show often never shows its true colors in the first few episodes it often jumps the shark you never saw coming. Western television has a lot more original programming than anime and some shows can start out good and end up being mediocre or awful as seasons pass like Breaking Bad, Lost, Walking Dead, Fringe, etc. I would say the number of quality titles per year is in advantage of western television because of the quantity of titles coming on per year especially since many companies are starting to emulate HBO type of television programming where they take creative ideas and give it a budget to create something ambitious. Although it depends on what you consider great anime because I find less than a handful of great anime per year. Breaking Bad never became bad, and Lost only became a bit worse but was still great. Walking Dead had bad times though. Fringe i never watched. But it is easy to spot a bad tv show, over 90% of them are bad, while in anime it's less than 50% from my experience. If you don't include sequels then only about 5 good western shows come out each year... I see more than that in anime. |
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