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Feb 4, 2017 8:53 AM

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Can't believe this is one of few most dropped anime. I was so mad when this won on sky novel translation team's poll, hoping it should have been male lead. God, forgive me.
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Feb 4, 2017 9:26 AM
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I previously thought that epiosde 2 of Youjo Senki was the best episode of anime I've watched this season. And then I watched episode 5, and this is easily the best of the season. Her voice in the warning at the end of the episode, it was absolutely hilarious. And to counter anyone disbelieving her training regimen, while she did that to drive them away, there are actual instances of extremely intense training that can have that effect, especially when it causes psychological changes in the trainees, as is what happened here.

L-Ryoshi said:
Ended up rewatching this episode alone 4 times. And it was just as good every single time.

Love how despite creating an insanely OP mage squadron, her initial plan was actually to brutalize them unreasonable for a month so that they'd give up, so that she'd have an excuse not to actually head to the front lines. Her superiors, her subordinates will all be surprised by her efficiency and inspired by her "tough love" methods, but in the end what she wanted was for the project to ultimately fail and that they would send her back to the back lines for an easy life. In a sense, all her glorious victories are going against her plans for an easy life, and of course actually in favor of the so-called "Being X".

That said, there were way too many comedic instances this episode. Viktoriya being so used to her "tough love" regimen and already digging her fox hole before the other soldiers knew what was going on was hilarious! As too was Tanya's greetings to the invasion forces and of course her "declaration of attack". As evil as she has been since the beginning, you really cannot help but love this loli, and the schadenfreude of all her plans being unstuck by her own efficiency and other's misunderstanding of her intentions and often portraying her as the OP hero rather than the sloth that she desires to be.
LOL L-Ryoshi, I was going to discuss more about what I liked in the episode, but you covered it quite well. One thing that hasn't mentioned is that, by the end of the episode, she herself seems to have become a true believer of "her battalion"

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Can't believe this is one of few most dropped anime. I was so mad when this won on sky novel translation team's poll, hoping it should have been male lead. God, forgive me.
I'll forgive you, but only because you have a pic of Sena as your forum avatar ^_^
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Feb 4, 2017 9:39 AM

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Feb 4, 2017 10:40 AM
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Solid episode. The ending was amazing.
 
Feb 4, 2017 11:12 AM
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FREAKING cool episode! Loved every single second of it!!

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Feb 4, 2017 11:12 AM

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My weekly dose of loli-Hitler didn't disappoint me.

worldeditor11 said:
This episode seems off, stupid even, I don't know. I mean, they want to portray war as realistic as possible and referencing to our own timeline of WWI. But despite all these, they include mages which is akin to jet fighters of today. No, upon watching this episode, mages in this series holds much more combat capability comparing to our fighters of today.

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Mages are stupidly overpowered in this anime until nothing short of a nuke can stop them other than their own. Hell, I will even say that may include our current time.


While it's a military anime, it's also a fantasy one. It uses WWI as a sort of backdrop so we can understand the situation, and even some similar events, but it isn't the same.

As long as mages exist to stop other mages, there isn't much of a problem with them being super-powerful. In fact, even if there weren't any, that still wouldn't be a problem if a story of overpowered mages was what this anime was aiming at.

Sad to see you have trouble swallowing it though.
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Feb 4, 2017 1:55 PM

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Now we get to see just how nekoing evil And wtf was Daika doing? They had 600000 men and they got literally obliterated by about 2 dozen people. They're probably showing that while there are the


Actually it was 4 dozen (48 men).

and that was just the vanguard of the 600,000 (about 1/4th of the total army it seems?) , not the 600,000. And they didn't especially kill most of them. The german artillery and infantry killed most of them. Their merit is that they created a huge confusion in that vanguard, destroyed their campaign QG, took prisoner their leader, got all the intel from there, and then destroyed a source of weaponry in their capital, as well as generating a huge loss of morale for the enemy by doing so.
 
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@ExTemplar thanks for the welcome
 
Feb 4, 2017 2:42 PM

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Great episode, can't believe i almost avoided watching this show, thanks to watching a youtube clip it peaked my interest. Tanya is ruthless, it's refreshing actually.
 
Feb 4, 2017 2:58 PM

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Dakia is basically France during the first day of the war :P
Though in this case it seems to b siberia.
 
Feb 4, 2017 4:10 PM
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Hmm so at this point Visha becomes Tanya's assistant eh
well since they knew each other and were in the same unit its natural i guess
lol now that visha is being so efficient she's become a danger to Tanya who wants to delay things lol

hmm so those two mages failed almost immediately eh
so did Tanya fail them for failing to question orders or something

Hmm so even the officer thats receiving the mages is part of the test
the fact that it looks so real certainly makes it hard for prospective mages to pass the selections lol.
Just as expected of Tanya to invent something like this lol
so i guess only the most powerful of mages will be able to see through this then

Hmm Tanya only needs a month to train her chosen men eh
even though training a soldier takes 2 years
wow thats impressive
But i suspect that the training will be so extreme that those 12 would quit
Visha seems to think so as well

Defensive training by learning to use defensive spells to protect against shells
lol only Tanya can think of something like this
lol its Tanya after all Visha she always goes pretty far
Mixing training shells with real ones eh

geeze that was some hellish training
36 hours of defending eh
Followed by a hellish trek through freezing and snowy conditions to another point.

Wow Tanya is even using dogs as well
Lol i think Tanya heard that complaint then hense the avalanche
Lol thats one way of getting snow out of someones mouth

it seems Tanya's attempt to scare her trainees didn't work since they are just as determined to be trained and chosen for her unit lol
Wow thats a really impressive speech that Tanya gave there
still surprised that not one of the trainees dropped out of the training

Tanya herself was surprised with her speech as well eh
Hmm and Tanya got promoted as well eh
hmm so Tanya's unit are given the newest and most powerful of gear as well eh

As expected of a unit that would require heavy hitting firepower and maneuverability

seems that officer still dislikes Tanya and is determined to prove that she's the devil then.
it seems this war is turning into a world war after all with one more country joing the war

Hmm so the enemy invaded as soon as Tanya and her units got there eh
600,000 men is a lot of men and quite the large force as well
wow an enemy that has no air force and uses no encryption in their comms
talk about being careless lol

And now because of the invasion the battalion at last gets the chance to show off its talents against the rather inept enemy army
Lol a wonderful birthday present indeed for Tanya

Hmm so Tanya's battalion is divided into 4 companies then eh
wow the enemy army really looks outdated compared to Tanya's men

Bet the enemy was surprised that there will enemy forces here at all
let alone flying mages lol
The enemy are nothing more than scarecrows to the mages though

If you get beaten here then yea they will be the laughing stock

A corps is far larger than a division lol
but even so they are still being decimated
lol the enemy are lining up to fire volleys
what is this the 18th century lol

Talk about outdated tactics
Lol the officer complaining that its not fair that Tanya's men are flying
Well the grenades would help soften things up lol

Lol Tanya being snug with that officer
Visa's they certainly don't have lol
my my those guys are just useless against the power of a battle mage
their guns will never get through their shields while the opposite is not true
That was like a cakewalk for Tanya and her company

wow striking directly at the enemies capital
Bold move but since they largely destroyed the enemies armies
its relatively undefended

International law still plays a part in this universe eh
lol it will of course be Tanya that does it since she's the commander
Lol Tanya using a child's voice to broadcast the warning
Lol Visha and her fellow officers reactions

Well you still followed the law even though Tanya used a kids voice
and now they are free to open fire
Tanya's spells though are always nice to see though

A great episode as always
Tanya's method of picking out mages for her unit though was impressive. To think that the receiving officer was actually a illusion. But man her training methods were harsh and unforgiving. Defensive training with live shells followed by a hellish trek from one point to another lol. Tanya really is enjoying herself to the fullest here. Im surprised and glad that not one of her trainees opted out of the training and that all graduated from it. I bet Tanya was angry that this happened lol. The battle between the Daikon army though was well done as it pitted Tanya's modern mages against an enemy that used 18 century warfare tactics. The part when Tanya and her company landed in the enemy's camp and the action there was the best scene.

Tanya using a child's voice to broadcast the warning though was hillarious
Her Seiyuu Aoi Yuki certainly has quite the voice range.
Now lets see where this strike on the factory will take the story then
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Feb 4, 2017 7:46 PM
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My weekly dose of loli-Hitler didn't disappoint me.

worldeditor11 said:
This episode seems off, stupid even, I don't know. I mean, they want to portray war as realistic as possible and referencing to our own timeline of WWI. But despite all these, they include mages which is akin to jet fighters of today. No, upon watching this episode, mages in this series holds much more combat capability comparing to our fighters of today.

...

Mages are stupidly overpowered in this anime until nothing short of a nuke can stop them other than their own. Hell, I will even say that may include our current time.


While it's a military anime, it's also a fantasy one. It uses WWI as a sort of backdrop so we can understand the situation, and even some similar events, but it isn't the same.

As long as mages exist to stop other mages, there isn't much of a problem with them being super-powerful. In fact, even if there weren't any, that still wouldn't be a problem if a story of overpowered mages was what this anime was aiming at.

Sad to see you have trouble swallowing it though.


I think the key to understanding this animation is to understand that the writer has combined the impact of airplanes PLUS the impact of armor into a single OP theme.

Tanya's organization of her battalion parallels the red barron's establishment of the flying circus, but unlike WWI airplanes, Mages have the defensive and offensive capabilities of a tank corps, meaning in addition to being the Red Barron, Tanya is also Rommel. This is why Darcia got decimated so quickly, Tanya's ability to know where war would lead means that her tactics are 2-4 generations before her peers.
 
Feb 4, 2017 8:05 PM
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I think the key to understanding this animation is to understand that the writer has combined the impact of airplanes PLUS the impact of armor into a single OP theme.

Tanya's organization of her battalion parallels the red barron's establishment of the flying circus, but unlike WWI airplanes, Mages have the defensive and offensive capabilities of a tank corps, meaning in addition to being the Red Barron, Tanya is also Rommel. This is why Darcia got decimated so quickly, Tanya's ability to know where war would lead means that her tactics are 2-4 generations before her peers.


You kind of beat me to it, Takuan - I think that this episode has also shown that she will start to have a paradoxical impact on the world. Due to the fact that she has prior knowledge of the World Wars, plus the fact that she is in a position where she can actually accomplish high profile things due to the support of General Zettour, she is going to force the rest of the world to react to her methods.

It's well thought out storylines like this that truly capture my interest.
 
Feb 4, 2017 8:25 PM

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Hydrous said:
i am curious ...
she look pretty in the LN and the manga but not in the anime ..!
any particular reason ?

It woud cost way too much money to have the same chara design animated.
And she ain't here to be pretty anyway. :o

i see
well if she was pretty
she would be a pretty little psyco ^^
like yuno/kurumi
and that would be awesome
tho its already amzing enough ^^
 
Feb 4, 2017 10:01 PM

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of course nobody wanna quit when tortured by by loli instructor :)

now go conquer the world
 
Feb 4, 2017 10:37 PM

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Great episode! I love Viktoriya's reactions in this episode.

That was one hellish training. But she has well-trained and loyal underlings now.

First deployment was fairly easy. The enemy troops were utter fools. They used outdated tactics and complained about a lack of fairness. Apparently they didn't get the memo, that war isn't fair.

I love, how she mocked the enemy soldiers. And the warning using her little girls voice was hilarious. Trolling 1000/10

I still can't stand Rerugen. He looks like a dork, especially with his ugly-ass hairstyle.
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This is a show about a salaryman who got reincarnated into a fascist loli and gets repeatedly owned by god, I don't think it's very interested in acurate portrayal of war. You have misguided expectations.
 
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This is a show about a salaryman who got reincarnated into a fascist loli and gets repeatedly owned by god, I don't think it's very interested in acurate portrayal of war. You have misguided expectations.


Both you and TheDeadApostle do not get my point. I am fine with a man loli with fascist or meritocratic tendencies. I am fine with with a God as pansy as Being X. Hell, I am even fine with mages being so overpowered, they can perfect Hitler's blitzkrieg tactics. Never once I imply am against those premises.

What I am put off by is the two-faced nature of this show.

Guys, I am in a World War. Look how dangerous the situation is. Bullets flying. People dying. Kids crying. I must survive from this hell and get as far away as possible from the war. Even if I am a god emperor mage, I might not survive the front lines. I must devise plans to assure my safety. Do not take risks. Avoid probable deployment orders. Rise up the ranks. Yada yada yada.

On the next scene depicting a battle...

Booyah niggas, not even God can save you from muh almighty magic. What? Is that an enemy? Kill him!!! What? Enemy fleeing from the battlefield? Chase them down and leave no man alive!!! What? We are done? Let's move on to our next target and destroy enemy's HQ and their capital city while we at it. Risks? What risks?

Seems to me it has trouble deciding whether it should be realistic or fantasy and it just turns out into a weird blend between the two. Like there's no sense of danger when the show keep telling me otherwise.
 
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That's actually both partially wrong and incomplete.
First of all, mage's disadvantages you didn't see
-cannot be created no matter the money and such. Magic can be used by the person at birth, or not. It requires a computing jewel to process it, but it requires a person able to use it, which is rare
-amelioration is limited by what you have at birth. Even if the person has the ability to use magic, it doesn't mean it has the ability to use a lot, and this CANNOT be ameliorated through time. You can get far better at using what you have, but what you have will not change. Compare this to technology that you can hope to ameliorate and that will progress quite a bit through war. (note : Tanya is a special case due to her "miracle" jewel that allows her to "stock" magic when she doesn't use it).
-cannot choose your mages like you can choose your "pilots" for their skill/competence. Since it's at birth, you can train them more, but that's it. Can't change them/pick them. That's why you also have stupid guys that have nothing to do in the military like the two in the first episode, have women, and even... a child.

-cannot go as high as a plane (CR translation on altitude they reach is wrong. The altitude isn't in meters) so planes will be able to cover higher zone than mages and will be quite hard for mages to defeat due to this (note : tanya is an exception to this, but this required a miracle so doesn't count).

-Flying cost them lot of stamina. It makes them very inappropriate for one of the major role of the airplanes in ww1 : long distance reconnaissance. you can't expect a mage company to perform a long range travel and then fight a found target properly, they'll be too exhausted to fight properly and will probably die.

-They cannot fly "silently (cutting engine)' or "without being detected (in or above the clouds, and so on)". If a mage flies or uses his magic in any way, every single mage around can detect him/her. A plane can cut his engine, but if a mage stop his magic, he just falls like a rock.

-They cannot transport heavy things (so no supplying role easily possible, except for small things)

-They cannot transport troops to their destination, either.

-bombers do more damage individually than mages.


Now about what you listed
- Do not break -> but they cannot be repaired either. If they're successfully damaged, they probably die, or be sent in a hospital for months.
- Low cost of recruiting/training -> it costs quite more than recruiting and training plane pilots, because like said above you're stuck with wha tyou have, cannot pick the promising pilots at all.
- No specialised engineers, mechanics and air crews -> engineers are still needed for their computing jewel which is technology, and not "magic".
- High speed -> Planes are far faster, especially modern planes.
- Can carry infinite ammo/grenade -> plain wrong. As shown multiple time, they use gun ammos to "carry" their spell to their target. So they don't have infinite ammo at all. Not even counting the fact that shooting one cost them stamina, once again.
- Can be bomber/fighter -> but with limited range and heigh.
- Can be recon -> what I listed above plainly proves that planes>mages for this by a long shot.
- Can travel on land, air and sea without special outfitting-> but because travelling cost them stamina, travelling on sea is not something easy. Where do you land if you're out of juice?
- Potential nuclear armament -> that's just Tanya, doesn't count. And that's far from nuclear, too. A modern plane can do that, though.
- Low reload time ->actually that's plain wrong. a fighter shots far more bullet per second, and a bomber throw far more bombs in one go than a mage that needs to charge each fired bullet separately.
- Capable of carrying heavy equipment without sacrificing stamina and speed -> where did you saw that? That's a plain no.
- Stealth potential -> as written above, ZERO stealth potential while flying. That's why Tanya trained them to go by feet from point A to B, and said that if she detected any use of magic she would nuke them immediately. Traveling by air for mage = being immediately detected. Compared to this, planes are very, very stealthy.
 
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Was getting some real Mulan vibes this episode. Both "I"ll Make a Man Out of You" and "They popped out of the snow, like daisies!" came to mind.

That bit at the end was so funny with her childish voice warning. I was a little worried that things were too easy but this was a good showing of the incompetence countries can have in war. Awesome episode.
 
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Zefyris said:

That's actually both partially wrong and incomplete.


I know. I was being sarcastic.

Zefyris said:

-cannot be created no matter the money and such. Magic can be used by the person at birth, or not. It requires a computing jewel to process it, but it requires a person able to use it, which is rare


True. How probable is the question. One in a thousand? Or one in a million?

Then, the computing jewel itself. Can it be improved so that is has a lower magic requirement? Possible? Yeah. Because that's how technology works. Nothing comes out as pitch perfect. Yes, even guns and planes whose origins weren't even meant for war.

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-amelioration is limited by what you have at birth. Even if the person has the ability to use magic, it doesn't mean it has the ability to use a lot, and this CANNOT be ameliorated through time. You can get far better at using what you have, but what you have will not change. Compare this to technology that you can hope to ameliorate and that will progress quite a bit through war. (note : Tanya is a special case due to her "miracle" jewel that allows her to "stock" magic when she doesn't use it).


This applies to everyone in the military. The reason why guns are popularised over swords and bows because they fulfill their training time within a short period. Innovations come along and the rest is history.

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-cannot choose your mages like you can choose your "pilots" for their skill/competence. Since it's at birth, you can train them more, but that's it. Can't change them/pick them. That's why you also have stupid guys that have nothing to do in the military like the two in the first episode, have women, and even... a child.


True. Mass manufacturing a combat mage is certainly its greatest weakness. Then again, genetic engineering and selective breeding is a thing...

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-cannot go as high as a plane (CR translation on altitude they reach is wrong. The altitude isn't in meters) so planes will be able to cover higher zone than mages and will be quite hard for mages to defeat due to this (note : tanya is an exception to this, but this required a miracle so doesn't count).


The problem I found here it is dependent on technology. That means the current altitude limit is not a fact but a number of current capability of mages which can be improved over time.

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-Flying cost them lot of stamina.


Doesn't seem that way to me in the anime though. In this episode, they flew from base to intercept enemy invasion, destroy their HQ and flew even further to destroy enemy factories located in the capital.


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It makes them very inappropriate for one of the major role of the airplanes in ww1 : long distance reconnaissance. you can't expect a mage company to perform a long range travel and then fight a found target properly, they'll be too exhausted to fight properly and will probably die.


I thought recon never engage in combat unless it is very necessary. Recon always meant to be intelligence gathering, close combat is not of them unless situation demands it. One of the 7 fundamentals of reconnaissance too; Gain and maintain enemy contact.

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-They cannot fly "silently (cutting engine)' or "without being detected (in or above the clouds, and so on)". If a mage flies or uses his magic in any way, every single mage around can detect him/her. A plane can cut his engine, but if a mage stop his magic, he just falls like a rock.


How is the mage being detected?
How far is the range of detection?
Can technology solve this problem?

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-They cannot transport heavy things (so no supplying role easily possible, except for small things)


In bulk like ships, trucks and air carriers? Nah.

Carrying ammo boxes, food and water supplies and medical kits over short distances with no terrain limitation? Yeah. They are able to fulfill what helicopters did during the Vietnam War, more specifically the Battle of La Drang; Introduction of air mobility.

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-They cannot transport troops to their destination, either.


Why not? Carrying one person across a river is still transporting troops albeit only one person per flight. Not efficient I agree.

Then again, you have trucks for that.

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-bombers do more damage individually than mages.


True but then again, they are bombers, ie sitting ducks. A setback where mages don't face considering they are equipped with both anti aa and bombing capabilities.

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- Do not break -> but they cannot be repaired either. If they're successfully damaged, they probably die, or be sent in a hospital for months.


True. Although considering the costs of losing one aircraft with its pilot at the same time, mages don't seem all that high risk either.

And the repair thing has the same story with planes but worse. As knocking the plane or the pilot out means not fit for combat for either situation.

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- Low cost of recruiting/training -> it costs quite more than recruiting and training plane pilots, because like said above you're stuck with wha tyou have, cannot pick the promising pilots at all.


No, what I meant by that also covers the costs of building and maintaining one's aircraft alongside with training and recruiting a pilot. Not even mentioning that not all planes can be flown by the same pilot. You need even more training for that. Doesn't seem that way for mages with their jewels. I could be wrong on this one.

Zefyris said:

- No specialised engineers, mechanics and air crews -> engineers are still needed for their computing jewel which is technology, and not "magic".


But how many of those engineers are assigned to one mage?
How many hours needed per sortie for inspection and maintenance?

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- High speed -> Planes are far faster, especially modern planes.


Yeah, modern planes also have supersonic speed, capable of traveling around the world on a single fuel tank and also being comfortable like living in a hotel at the same time. Jesus Christ Zef, at least pick a fairer comparison. I am not sure why are you even downplaying the mages that much when they are certainly not unfit for air combat.

Zefyris said:

- Can carry infinite ammo/grenade -> plain wrong. As shown multiple time, they use gun ammos to "carry" their spell to their target. So they don't have infinite ammo at all. Not even counting the fact that shooting one cost them stamina, once again.


Of course it is plain wrong. It is ridiculous to even claim such thing. It is just a joke....

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- Can be bomber/fighter -> but with limited range and heigh.


Far enough for enemy guns to miss them. You don't get the memo these limitations can be reduced or completely removed using technology. The same aspect that puts planes as primary assets in wars.

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- Can be recon -> what I listed above plainly proves that planes>mages for this by a long shot.


Yeahhhh no. Like I stated before, they hover on flight. An air maneuver that puts you in a non compromising position while planes need to circle around an area for intelligence gathering. You run into risks of slipping deep into enemy lines without knowing.

Plus, they can be deployed immediately, without runways, whenever the situation demands it. And that's another fundamental in reconnaissance; Do not keep reconnaissance assets in reserve.

Therefore, claiming mages completely useless compared to WW1 planes is a longshot by itself.

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- Can travel on land, air and sea without special outfitting-> but because travelling cost them stamina, travelling on sea is not something easy. Where do you land if you're out of juice?


Travel costs fuel too man.
What I mean is they are capable of traveling on all kinds of terrain while on the field without any special equipment on board. A soldier can't jump over a river while a mage can. A plane can't travel through a tunnel while a mage can. A ship can't travel on land while a mage can.

Where do you land? For planes, runways. For mages, anywhere that doesn't include spikes, lava and poisonous gas.

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- Potential nuclear armament -> that's just Tanya, doesn't count. And that's far from nuclear, too. A modern plane can do that, though.


Yes, having a AC130 flying around your house doesn't count as a threat too. Tanya is not just another mage, she is a strategic weapon. Sad that those generals with cigars unable to figure this out though.

Zefyris said:

- Low reload time ->actually that's plain wrong. a fighter shots far more bullet per second, and a bomber throw far more bombs in one go than a mage that needs to charge each fired bullet separately.


I compare that with their average rifleman during WW1. But yeah, planes do deploy more ammunition on a single burst.

Zefyris said:

- Capable of carrying heavy equipment without sacrificing stamina and speed -> where did you saw that? That's a plain no.


Tanya carrying a full grown man with combat gear stuck in snow without breaking a sweat. That means magic is capable to increase muscle strength or has some kind of levitation properties.

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- Stealth potential -> as written above, ZERO stealth potential while flying. That's why Tanya trained them to go by feet from point A to B, and said that if she detected any use of magic she would nuke them immediately. Traveling by air for mage = being immediately detected. Compared to this, planes are very, very stealthy.


Yeah, planes are stealthy as long as radar is not involved in the equation which is rare to never.

Actually, it is even worse for mages as only they can detect themselves. Add that being a rare breed, this mean to cover the whole country, you need to station one mage in every strategic location within the country to act as radar. But the show just deploys every single one of them as an offensive unit so...

That's akin to saying having one anti aircraft gun to cover the entire European continent airspace.

So yeah, having ZERO stealth potential is a baseless claim.

Look, it is ok to bring fantasy into war. But to mix in realism at the same time? Yeah, no. Wars are fought using technology, missing that fact is tantamount to downplaying the whole war itself. GATE did that rather unapologetic while maintaining fantasy elements throughout. As in how powerful modern weaponry is when utilised fully. And I appreciate them for doing so.

But to save you the trouble, I will read the LNs since I felt the anime skipped out a lot things and well, I like it enough.
 
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This is a show about a salaryman who got reincarnated into a fascist loli and gets repeatedly owned by god, I don't think it's very interested in acurate portrayal of war. You have misguided expectations.


Both you and TheDeadApostle do not get my point. I am fine with a man loli with fascist or meritocratic tendencies. I am fine with with a God as pansy as Being X. Hell, I am even fine with mages being so overpowered, they can perfect Hitler's blitzkrieg tactics. Never once I imply am against those premises.

What I am put off by is the two-faced nature of this show.

Guys, I am in a World War. Look how dangerous the situation is. Bullets flying. People dying. Kids crying. I must survive from this hell and get as far away as possible from the war. Even if I am a god emperor mage, I might not survive the front lines. I must devise plans to assure my safety. Do not take risks. Avoid probable deployment orders. Rise up the ranks. Yada yada yada.

On the next scene depicting a battle...

Booyah niggas, not even God can save you from muh almighty magic. What? Is that an enemy? Kill him!!! What? Enemy fleeing from the battlefield? Chase them down and leave no man alive!!! What? We are done? Let's move on to our next target and destroy enemy's HQ and their capital city while we at it. Risks? What risks?

Seems to me it has trouble deciding whether it should be realistic or fantasy and it just turns out into a weird blend between the two. Like there's no sense of danger when the show keep telling me otherwise.


But there was a sense of danger in the earlier episodes. I remember when she had to fight against the five other mages. If that wasn't tense, I wonder what was.

In this case though, they were up against a nation with an outdated military and outdated tactics. It was a complete curbstomp similar to what would happen if you used jet fighters to fight against cavalry. It was even a point that she brought up when she said that the Dakian army was appropriate for "practice". This isn't meant to be a normal, front line situation. Those would obviously be a lot more tense.
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Neromon said:

This is a show about a salaryman who got reincarnated into a fascist loli and gets repeatedly owned by god, I don't think it's very interested in acurate portrayal of war. You have misguided expectations.


Both you and TheDeadApostle do not get my point. I am fine with a man loli with fascist or meritocratic tendencies. I am fine with with a God as pansy as Being X. Hell, I am even fine with mages being so overpowered, they can perfect Hitler's blitzkrieg tactics. Never once I imply am against those premises.

What I am put off by is the two-faced nature of this show.

Guys, I am in a World War. Look how dangerous the situation is. Bullets flying. People dying. Kids crying. I must survive from this hell and get as far away as possible from the war. Even if I am a god emperor mage, I might not survive the front lines. I must devise plans to assure my safety. Do not take risks. Avoid probable deployment orders. Rise up the ranks. Yada yada yada.

On the next scene depicting a battle...

Booyah niggas, not even God can save you from muh almighty magic. What? Is that an enemy? Kill him!!! What? Enemy fleeing from the battlefield? Chase them down and leave no man alive!!! What? We are done? Let's move on to our next target and destroy enemy's HQ and their capital city while we at it. Risks? What risks?

Seems to me it has trouble deciding whether it should be realistic or fantasy and it just turns out into a weird blend between the two. Like there's no sense of danger when the show keep telling me otherwise.


Again, this is just you misinterpreting the show. Its portrayal of war isn't an axis upon which it should be judged, because it has no interest in that. The show revolves around Tanya, and it has 2 premises bearing on this discussion. One is that Tanya wants to have a peaceful and prosperous life outside the front lines, the first situation you described is simply a logical extension of this premise, it wasn't an attempt to depict the harsh nature of war. The other premise is that Tanya is an overpowered fascist mage, and the second situation you described fits this.

Of course it's completely fine if the outcome bothers you because of how the portrayal of war comes off to you, but what I'm saying is you can't claim it's a failure of the show.
 
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The warning speech lmao. This series is hilarious, loving it so far.

» Escapism.


 
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Actually Conrad wasn't that incompetent, if you read the light novel one can actually see that the Empire makes the same mistake as Austria-Hungary in our timeline by deploying the main forces against a much smaller opponent while leaving the other fronts open for attack; the subsequent failure to redeploy the troops to the other front fast also mirrors the difficulties the austrians had with switching from Plan B to Plan R. Finally, Dakia does represent Romania, as they joined the war after the great powers and were quickly and soundly beaten by the german/austrian/bulgarian counterattack; the lack of modern equipment and tactics also supports this as not even every soldier in the romanian army had a rifle.....

Conrad was a complete incompetent and an idiot. This warmonger s mainly responsible for his country entering a war that it wasn't ready to go through, responsible for most of the most inept military operation that the first world war saw (together with some of the Ottoman Empire and the very early French offensives, for example), and clearly responsible for the death of hundred and hundred of his countrymen he sent to their death without proper equipment, without proper battle plan and often for the wrong reasons. As well as responsible for his country disappearing from the map.
But anyway, I disagree about the northern front war in Youjo Senki. Sure they sent a massive amount of troops here and that ended up being a mistake (but the northern front wasn't a failure, they just had to retreat to defend the french frontline before they could finish), but this correspond to early germany on the eastern front before the commander on that front was changed (which happened quickly), just like it happened in the empire in YS.
Furthermore, the empire was only at war with that single country at that point, not with several. Trying to shut down one dangerous country completely before taking care of others is exactly the idea behind the plan Schlieffen.

Meanwhile, Austria Hungary went willingly to war against a country they didn't need to wage war against (Serbia) while denying the importance of artillery and machine guns, and considering cavalry and infantry charge would lead to victory. And they did that against one of the very few european country that already had experience in modern war (a few years earlier for Serbia with the Balkan liberation war). The result was a total disaster, and among other things, it is well known that that soldiers from Austria Hungary were very scared of the hand grenades the Serbians were using.

Now take Dakian. Going against a country that had experience with modern war (with the other fronts going on since several months) without being prepared, doing cavalry and infantry charge while not thinking of artillery, and on top of this, Tanya's battalion uses hand grenades on them ( and it's the only time mages did that in youjo senki so far).

if that's not a direct reference to Austria Hungary attacking Serbia, I don't know what this is.
Things are mixed up a lot in this verse compared to our ww1, but you can still recognise the various references.


As for Dakia, our time Romania did effectively the same things Dakia did, they invaded without modern equipment and no knowledge of modern war and it's tactics; were subsequently beaten into a pulp and driven back over the Border.

As for Conrad, the main decision to go to war against Serbia was felled without him and he had no influence on it; he also, while not that competent, adapted relatively fast to modern war and by 1915 he was, while still not particulary competent, by far not as incompetent as quite a few other officers including Cadorna and Sarrail. Also Austria in the beginning only went to war with Serbia, because it was believed that Russia would stay out of it (that was the reason, the austrians used Plan B and not Plan R).
 
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I haven't laughed so hard in a long time, the way she made that speech, it quite frankly killed me , so far this is my favorite episode.
 
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Glad I'm not the only one who found that heinously reprehensible act hilarious. Can this show get a Comedy Tag?[/quote]

yupss thats so hilarious XD

especially when Tanya said...

"Take everything but "the bodies"! LoL
what a sarcastic badass!! XDl
 
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Tanya's so cute and cuddly LOL
She's the embodiment of "Insanity"
 
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I actually think this is the best episode of the series so far ^_^ However, I hope the story stays solid till the end seeing that there is only 12 episodes (not even sure will we get a second season).
 
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Ended up rewatching this episode alone 4 times. And it was just as good every single time.
Oh, so I'm not alone in this obsession! >_<

Tanya's voicework in this episode, my God Being X... Honestly, can't tell when was the last time I was so impressed. Starting from "I have nothing to do" after the battle started, describing enemy army as a mob, "No visas!", "My battalion can move forward" and, of course, "Impending attack warning" at the very end. I don't even... Why is it so amazing?

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They had 600000 men and they got literally obliterated by about 2 dozen people.
I'm pretty sure it was 60 000, one extra zero must be a typo. Can anyone confirm this?
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They had 600000 men and they got literally obliterated by about 2 dozen people.
I'm pretty sure it was 60 000, one extra zero must be a typo. Can anyone confirm this?


The entire Dakia force consists of 4 field armies with a total of 600,000 men. The force Tanya's battalion went up against was the vanguard of 3 divisions which would total about 50,000 troops. That's actually somewhat close to the air to ground troops ratio in WWII.
 
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Perfect example of what happens when an army generations behind in tech fight a current era war.

Tanya's sparta plan backfires and she gets dedicated personnel in 1 month XD
 
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- great episode, seeing visha's return is cool, hope to see some fanservice of her soon. 😂😂

But maaan, tanya is just too boss.
 
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The entire Dakia force consists of 4 field armies with a total of 600,000 men. The force Tanya's battalion went up against was the vanguard of 3 divisions which would total about 50,000 troops. That's actually somewhat close to the air to ground troops ratio in WWII.
Thanks for clearing it up, confirmed the numbers myself, everything checks out.
 
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At this point I've really come to like Tanyas design, heck, her entire character is so refreshing for a MC and this episode proved it anew!

Wiktorijas design however... still getting used to that one

That speech at the end tough, maaan great move Tanya, shes cruel and I love it.
 
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Tanya's first speech gave me shivers and her second made me laugh. This ep was pure gold.
 
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Episode was great but i missed OP or ED o_o
 
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Episode was great but i missed OP or ED o_o


I don't. I would rather have 24 minutes of non stop thrills then have it chopped into 3-5 pieces (depending on where they insert the OP or ED). This episode's use of end credits was fantastic, slide it in early, while she was instructing 75% of her battalion, it tricked the viewer into thinking that the end was near and then they pulled out her speech and the fireworks. Brilliant, on many levels. Director is approaching god (or is that Being X) levels.

This is not to say I don't appreciate a good OP or ED, and both are very good on this show. But this episode showed that they are accents that cannot replace good story telling and animation.
 
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This episode seems off, stupid even, I don't know. I mean, they want to portray war as realistic as possible and referencing to our own timeline of WWI. But despite all these, they include mages which is akin to jet fighters of today. No, upon watching this episode, mages in this series holds much more combat capability comparing to our fighters of today.

Consider these:

Extremely low logistical maintenance
- No runways
- Fuels costs as much as a french baguette
- Do not break
- Low cost of recruiting/training
- No specialised engineers, mechanics and air crews

Extremely mobile
- No need runways for sortie
- Can be deployed immediately
- Can carry out immediate highly evasive maneuvers
- High speed

Extremely high mileage
- No need to return to a runway for refuel/restock
- Can carry infinite ammo
- Can carry infinite grenades
- Can ride metallic donkeys for the extra oomph

Extremely high versatility
- Can be bomber
- Can be fighter
- Can be recon
- Can be support
- Capable of holding or changing roles at once without sacrificing speed
- Can travel on land, air and sea without special outfitting

Extremely lethal in combat
- Capable of precision strikes
- Capable of deploying artillery bombardment
- Potential nuclear armament
- Has force field for high-speed projectile defense
- Low reload time
- Can be stationary while engaging targets
- Capable of carrying heavy equipment without sacrificing stamina and speed
- Stealth potential


Mages are stupidly overpowered in this anime until nothing short of a nuke can stop them other than their own. Hell, I will even say that may include our current time.


You're over estimating mages. Don't use Tanya as a standard. WW1 era planes(yes only WW1, modern planes will massacre mages) can fly faster and climb higher, they also outmatch mages when flying at 12,000 feet and up. The only thing going for mages is versatility. Specialized weapons/equipment are more effective at what they do and a lot easier to mass produce. Mages are uncommon to the point that just killing 5 would make you an ace. Losing just 50+ would already have certain strategic reprecussions. You need 16+ years(the age when they're conscripted, I just guessed Visha's age. Tanya is an exemption because she volunteered) just to train a new mage. Anyone with enough training can use any weapon/equipment that can be as or more effective than a mage.You cannot train to become a mage. Their defence can also be breached using hand grenades, high caliber machine gun, sniper rifles, using nukes is overkill. By the time that they can mass produce Tanya's operation orb, other weapons would probably be too OP that mages would be deemed obsolete.

worldeditor11 said:
Neromon said:

This is a show about a salaryman who got reincarnated into a fascist loli and gets repeatedly owned by god, I don't think it's very interested in acurate portrayal of war. You have misguided expectations.


Both you and TheDeadApostle do not get my point. I am fine with a man loli with fascist or meritocratic tendencies. I am fine with with a God as pansy as Being X. Hell, I am even fine with mages being so overpowered, they can perfect Hitler's blitzkrieg tactics. Never once I imply am against those premises.

What I am put off by is the two-faced nature of this show.

Guys, I am in a World War. Look how dangerous the situation is. Bullets flying. People dying. Kids crying. I must survive from this hell and get as far away as possible from the war. Even if I am a god emperor mage, I might not survive the front lines. I must devise plans to assure my safety. Do not take risks. Avoid probable deployment orders. Rise up the ranks. Yada yada yada.

On the next scene depicting a battle...

Booyah niggas, not even God can save you from muh almighty magic. What? Is that an enemy? Kill him!!! What? Enemy fleeing from the battlefield? Chase them down and leave no man alive!!! What? We are done? Let's move on to our next target and destroy enemy's HQ and their capital city while we at it. Risks? What risks?

Seems to me it has trouble deciding whether it should be realistic or fantasy and it just turns out into a weird blend between the two. Like there's no sense of danger when the show keep telling me otherwise.


Huh? Base on her personality what you stated is actually "realistic". Here’s an easy to understand example: you're using an attack helicopter and you're fighting against idiots who uses bows and arrows, would you feel any sense of danger? Did you really believe that they attacked the HQ and capital immediately without recon/info and rest just because the anime didn't explicitly showed it? Even before the battle started they showed the Empire intercepting messages. Even when they're at the capital, no one rushed in guns blazing they're even talking about launching a surprise attack, meaning they weren't seen/detected. They're even careful even though the enemy is so weak and stupid the risk is actually non-existent. Easy battle=Easy merits=Higher chance of getting promoted=Higher chance of getting to the rear(yeah right..). And that battle is actually a reference to a real world event. They actually showed you how that battle would turn out if you added magic into the mix and you call it unrealistic. If the enemy actually put up a fight and this isn't based in a real event I'd understand you but it seems to me you're just grasping at straws to prove your wrong point.
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Cuteness, Evil Prodigy is fucking sick! Tanya is superb..... One of the sick rebirths of many light novels. Kudos to the author and the animator of this series..

Heil Tanya!
 
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when no op/ed, it's greatness here.
Fun seeing her deal with avoiding the frontline by rejecting & delaying the selections, then head into sadist mode. Surprising how Viktoriya passes.
That loli non-troll voice 10/10. Handshakers should learn making proper magic gears right here.
 
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Good episode overall. But the fighting against Dakia made everything look too easy. I spent the whole time expecting it to turn out to be a trap. When it turned out it wasn't, it just seemed a little anti-climactic to me.
 
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Haha, Tanya's declaration of attack cracked me up.

Viktoriya also proved to be rather resourceful. I loved how she started digging her foxhole as soon as Tanya started outlining the essence of their exercise. You could see the terror in Viktoriya's eyes. Being on the receiving end of an artillery barrage must be quite exciting...

Though, even that paled in comparison to raiding the Dakians. Those red uniforms truly made it a live-fire exercise, even more so as they started gathering in formations to shoot of volleys. Underestimating the importance of air supremacy is a dire mistake.
 
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I WANNA SQUISH TANYA SO FUCKING BADLY.
 
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I came so close to dropping this on the first ep because of some of the character designs but I'm so glad I stuck with it. Tanya is an amazing character, she's actually got a personality and isn't just one-note evil and some bits make me laugh out loud, like that declaration of war. Think this is going to be one of my top anime of the season if it carries on like this ^^
 
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Okay I got a slight problem with how Tanya and crew just shows up and just destroy the enemy. There was no stakes at all.. No tension. Can someone explain this to me? I thought them not having air support would be a trap. I also feel like this doesn't help her group grow as they were basically shooting fish in a barrel. At the end of the day this episode felt like an anime version of the Pickett Charge.
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Studio Trigger is like that food you always want but hate when it is sold out in the stores. That's how good Studio Trigger is.
 
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Okay I got a slight problem with how Tanya and crew just shows up and just destroy the enemy. There was no stakes at all.. No tension. Can someone explain this to me? I thought them not having air support would be a trap. I also feel like this doesn't help her ground grow as they were basically shooting fish in a barrel. At the end of the day this episode felt like an anime version of the Pickett Charge.


Well, WWI was Pickett's Charge written large. The lesson that Pickett should have taught any military leader was lost on all military leaders throughout most of WWI. That technology had replaced valor was something that Mark Twain wrote about (Connecticut Yankee) but the Generals did not believe. Most WWI battles were poor infantry scrambling out of their trenches, lining up in formation, and then being fed to the machine guns. This story captures that aspect of WWI well.

But, the writer is smarter than this. Tanya does not only know WWI tactics, she knows WWII tactics. Air power had a nascent debut in WWI, but it took WWII to prove its ability. Read about Billy Mitchell to get how long it took everyone to understand that the world had changed.
 
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MasterHavik said:
Okay I got a slight problem with how Tanya and crew just shows up and just destroy the enemy. There was no stakes at all.. No tension. Can someone explain this to me? I thought them not having air support would be a trap. I also feel like this doesn't help her ground grow as they were basically shooting fish in a barrel. At the end of the day this episode felt like an anime version of the Pickett Charge.


Well, WWI was Pickett's Charge written large. The lesson that Pickett should have taught any military leader was lost on all military leaders throughout most of WWI. That technology had replaced valor was something that Mark Twain wrote about (Connecticut Yankee) but the Generals did not believe. Most WWI battles were poor infantry scrambling out of their trenches, lining up in formation, and then being fed to the machine guns. This story captures that aspect of WWI well.

But, the writer is smarter than this. Tanya does not only know WWI tactics, she knows WWII tactics. Air power had a nascent debut in WWI, but it took WWII to prove its ability. Read about Billy Mitchell to get how long it took everyone to understand that the world had changed.
When you put that way.....holy shit that was very well done on their part!
Studio Trigger is like that food you always want but hate when it is sold out in the stores. That's how good Studio Trigger is.
 
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When you put that way.....holy shit that was very well done on their part!


Studio Nutt. Trigger is Little Witch Academia which is great in its own way. Nutt it seems was formed by former Madhouse employees who left explicitly because they wanted to adapt this animation. If this is true, then kudos to them, as Trigger likes to claim, they have saved animation.

Not sure how this book has held up as history since I read it far too many years ago (more than I would ever admit), but
https://www.amazon.com/Social-History-Machine-Gun/dp/0801833582

Is a great read towards understanding this series. Tanya certainly has read it, as her comments about "not even experiencing machine gun fire" showed.

Edit: ah sorry, noticed that your comment about Trigger was NOT in your comment. Apologies! But since I like the story I am not going to correct it!
 
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Should add. Tanya's training, inscribing the ability to dig in upon her recruits souls, is perfectly true. This truth of combat has held true despite the rise of air-war.

I remember a book I read about the Korean war, I need to find it, about how when the US was forced to retreat because of the Chinese entrance, a US commander who had trained his forces to dig in was able to hold his ground and repeal 20x the number of Chinese opponents. Tanya reminds me of that general. The VC during the Viet Nam war knew this truth as well (and a hearty hello to the VC I met way back then, former enemies yes, but I appreciated their intelligence).

No, I am not THAT old, but I was one of the first to return and have a chance to talk with them.
 
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