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Jan 19, 2017 7:04 AM

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Is it just me, or is everybody obsessed with how everybody else rates their shows? I mean, a masterpiece is a masterpiece regardless of human opinion, but if a lot of people--and that includes every type of viewer--don't like it then that just must mean it doesn't appeal to the general public.


Like it if you like it. Enjoyment is how your shitty articulate brains perceives it to be.
 
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Jan 19, 2017 7:11 AM

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yellow_kid said:
Is it just me, or is everybody obsessed with how everybody else rates their shows?
Some are, some aren't.

I mean, a masterpiece is a masterpiece regardless of human opinion
Is it though? How does it work?
Personally I have the impression that is actually the human opinion that makes of something a masterpiece, with adequate motivations of course but still opinions.
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Living alone and dying alone... alone... How could anyone be satisfied with that? It's stupid... Space is too big to face all alone.
 
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Jan 19, 2017 7:14 AM

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They rate them base on their subjective evaluation like everyone else.
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion.

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zal said:
yellow_kid said:
Is it just me, or is everybody obsessed with how everybody else rates their shows?
Some are, some aren't.

I mean, a masterpiece is a masterpiece regardless of human opinion
Is it though? How does it work?
Personally I have the impression that is actually the human opinion that makes of something a masterpiece, with adequate motivations of course but still opinions.
it becomes a masterpiece when enough peopel agree :^)
 
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Something being a masterpiece is ALL OPINION. Someone doesn't understand the concept of subjectivity and value judgment.

Saying something is objective doesn't make it so.
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romagia said:
zal said:
Some are, some aren't.

Is it though? How does it work?
Personally I have the impression that is actually the human opinion that makes of something a masterpiece, with adequate motivations of course but still opinions.
it becomes a masterpiece when enough people agree :^)
Maybe it's a bit more complex than this but I agree it's essentially true.
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Living alone and dying alone... alone... How could anyone be satisfied with that? It's stupid... Space is too big to face all alone.
 
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Jan 19, 2017 7:20 AM

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I believe it's because of the muh favourite anime isn't in the top xx while x Gintama anime is. Mostly.
 
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Jan 19, 2017 7:26 AM

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zal said:
yellow_kid said:
Is it just me, or is everybody obsessed with how everybody else rates their shows?
Some are, some aren't.

I mean, a masterpiece is a masterpiece regardless of human opinion
Is it though? How does it work?
Personally I have the impression that is actually the human opinion that makes of something a masterpiece, with adequate motivations of course but still opinions.



But once it's been aired, it's all done. You can't change it. How people receive it is a different story, especially since there are so many types of viewers.
 
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Jan 19, 2017 7:29 AM

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wow such insightful philosophy OP.

 
Jan 19, 2017 7:30 AM

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yellow_kid said:
zal said:
Some are, some aren't.

Is it though? How does it work?
Personally I have the impression that is actually the human opinion that makes of something a masterpiece, with adequate motivations of course but still opinions.



But once it's been aired, it's all done. You can't change it. How people receive it is a different story, especially since there are so many types of viewers.
But how people perceive it is the key to being or not being a masterpiece.
I suggest you watch Hyouge Mono which might help you clarify more stuff about masterpieces and perception.

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wow such insightful philosophy OP.

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Living alone and dying alone... alone... How could anyone be satisfied with that? It's stupid... Space is too big to face all alone.
 
Jan 19, 2017 7:34 AM

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The tru deciders of de anime mastapeeces are the ferrets fucking knew it
 
Jan 19, 2017 8:43 AM

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Mkim said:
The tru deciders of de anime mastapeeces are the ferrets fucking knew it


Decides what is a masterpiece and what not, can also rate objectively.
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Living alone and dying alone... alone... How could anyone be satisfied with that? It's stupid... Space is too big to face all alone.
 
Jan 19, 2017 8:56 AM

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yellow_kid said:
Is it just me, or is everybody obsessed with how everybody else rates their shows?


Nah, I couldn't give a damn how others do it. But since people ask me how I do it, I do take the time to explain my rationale behind it.

yellow_kid said:
I mean, a masterpiece is a masterpiece regardless of human opinion


It would depend what you think is the most important in a series.

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Like it if you like it. Enjoyment is how your shitty articulate brains perceives it to be.


Yup, enjoyment is important, but it's not everything.
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yellow_kid said:
Is it just me, or is everybody obsessed with how everybody else rates their shows? I mean, a masterpiece is a masterpiece regardless of human opinion.
I say that every show that is praised and deemed a masterpiece is shit.
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So what's the question?

Or is this thread really about someone obsessing over how other people obsess over yet again other people's scores?

Seems awfully convoluted.
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Jan 19, 2017 9:09 AM

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Pullman said:
So what's the question?

It's there --->"Is it just me, or is everybody obsessed with how everybody else rates their shows?"

But yeah this thread is basically a shitpost
 
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Touniouk said:
Pullman said:
So what's the question?

It's there --->"Is it just me, or is everybody obsessed with how everybody else rates their shows?"

But yeah this thread is basically a shitpost


I was holding out hope that it was in fact not about someone obsessing about what others allegedly obsess about. The thread title seemed to suggest there might be more to it but, oh well.
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Jan 19, 2017 9:55 AM

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I rate my shows based on how big my dick gets when watching it. With an electron microscope you will see the difference, 10 is at the maximum length and 1 is either flaccid or just starting to grow.
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Jan 19, 2017 10:05 AM

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Is it just me, or is everybody obsessed with how everybody else rates their shows?

It's just you being insecure brah
I mean, a masterpiece is a masterpiece regardless of human opinion

>implying that art is objective
but if a lot of people--and that includes every type of viewer--don't like it then that just must mean it doesn't appeal to the general public.

>implying that art is subjective
>contradicting your prior sentences
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My way of rating an anime is very simple:

1. I go to an anime page
2. I click on "Select your score"
3. I choose a rating between 1 and 10
4. I click on "Update"

Done
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Jan 19, 2017 10:51 AM

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The whole premise of the website is to list and rate anime on a scale of 1 to 10; so naturally the forums would be dominated with discussions about rating and such.
 
Jan 19, 2017 10:52 AM
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yellow_kid said:

a masterpiece is a masterpiece regardless of human opinion


Haha.Ha Hahaha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
*Slams fist onto desk, head explodes*
You serious?

yellow_kid said:

Like it if you like it. Enjoyment is how your shitty articulate brains perceives it to be.


Well, at least your original post was half right.
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Comic_Sans said:
My way of rating an anime is very simple:

1. I go to an anime page
2. I click on "Select your score"
3. I choose a rating between 1 and 10
4. I click on "Update"

Done


Basically this... Ignore the 2-8 scores... xD
 
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I mean, a masterpiece is a masterpiece regardless of human opinion


Wow this line is so clever I even don't know what to say.Oh wait I do.

 
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Pullman said:
Touniouk said:

It's there --->"Is it just me, or is everybody obsessed with how everybody else rates their shows?"

But yeah this thread is basically a shitpost


I was holding out hope that it was in fact not about someone obsessing about what others allegedly obsess about. The thread title seemed to suggest there might be more to it but, oh well.



There's stuff underneath the shitpost question, but I guess you didn't see that.
 
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Rating scale:
10: Amazing, one of my favourite anime!
9: Really good, but not quite a 10
8: A very good anime
7: Pretty good
6: Just above average
5: Average
4: Poor, slightly below average
3: Really bad.
2: There is barely anything good about this anime
1: WTF did I just watch? Terrible, painful to watch. This is most common for anime around 1 minute long under the genre "dementia".

The anime that the numbers link to are what I think are the most accurate examples of what deserves each rating. These will link to my own reviews of the anime when possible.


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a masterpiece is a masterpiece regardless of human opinion
Wait, how does that work? The very thing that makes something a masterpiece is how it is perceived by its viewers so if there are no viewers than how can it be a masterpiece? If an anime is a masterpiece but only 100 people have seen it and it didn't appeal very well to any of their tastes is it still a masterpiece? How can it be? Generally something being referred to as a masterpiece means that many "important" people saw it and all thought highly of it. One of the five anime I gave a 10 to only has a 7.5 on MAL. It's a masterpiece in my own opinion, but obviously that opinion isn't shared by too many people with its mere 60 favourites.
 
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Incorrectly most of them. But the advantage of a big community is that the incorrect rating users balance each other out.

An account that watched everything should have a gaussian distribution with a mean in 5.5.
The number of 10's = 1's, #9's = 2's, etc.

But since most people pick their shows based on recommendations/popularity and not random they'll pick shows above average. As you start watching anime your average should go up as you find your style up to like 8.5. Once you start drying out your favorite style and expanding your tastes your average will go down. And approximate 5.5. I never made the math but it's unlikely there's anyone with a legitimate mean below 7.5. There's just too many entries on MAL for everyone to watch enough bad unpopular shows to compensate for all the good and popular shows they have watched already.

The exception to this rule is people that follow all airing anime and ones that actively chase bad anime if they exist I guess. I follow airing anime but since I drop most before the 4 episode mark I don't rate the bad ones, so my mean is still high.
A curve including all entries should be of a gaussian form. One including limited entries by picking animes you liked and not rating animes you dropped should look like mine.
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Incorrectly most of them. But the advantage of a big community is that the incorrect rating users balance each other out.

An account that watched everything should have a gaussian distribution with a mean in 5.5.
The number of 10's = 1's, #9's = 2's, etc.

But since most people pick their shows based on recommendations/popularity and not random they'll pick shows above average. As you start watching anime your average should go up as you find your style up to like 8.5. Once you start drying out your favorite style and expanding your tastes your average will go down. And approximate 5.5. I never made the math but it's unlikely there's anyone with a legitimate mean below 7.5. There's just too many entries on MAL for everyone to watch enough bad unpopular shows to compensate for all the good and popular shows they have watched already.

The exception to this rule is people that follow all airing anime and ones that actively chase bad anime if they exist I guess. I follow airing anime but since I drop most before the 4 episode mark I don't rate the bad ones, so my mean is still high.


It's strange how you link popular with good and unpopular with bad so closely... But I do agree popular shows tend to be slightly better than average (except Fairy Tail, that shit is bad on so many levels). But on most people with 7.5 average or higher, almost all these shows seem to rate a 9-10. Not saying that no popular show are that exclusively good, but almost every single one? Nah, poor rating system mate.

In any case, most people do pick from recommendations and popularity, very unfortunate indeed. Personally I only hear recommendations from trusted real life friends who have similar tastes to mine, and even then I often end up being indifferent to the show. Popularity means nothing to me. Where is this perfect world of yours where you only pick up above average shows from listening to the hype train?

Then there are also shows that disappoint you or pull up an ending that is surprisingly bad. Some can pretty much ruin the build up of a show to an extent. Though not as bad as the example below. Rant of Akuma no Riddle incoming... 3... 2... 1... When FUCKING assassination survival game anime decides that on the LAST damn episode that they are gonna pull the "OH hey, actually NONE of them are dead"! Yay!

And seriously you think no one watches shows that are so bad, it's unintentional comedy?
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Popular and Good are very interchangeable check Top Anime vs Popular Anime.
If it's unpopular it's probably bad. If it wasn't bad people would share it more. That's not the case all the time but most of the time it is.
You mentioned you think it's unfortunate people pick based on popularity/recommendations but you didn't mention an alternative, other than randomly picking which is strictly worse on average than following a recommendation.

Half the shows are below average, half the shows are above average, if you follow the money trail you'll be picking shows above average. Very recommended shows, popular shows, high score shows, shows that got a second season, the big majority of these are above average. And if you pick the crop of these then they are probably at least good for the majority of people.

And you give a pretty decent show a 2 just because you didn't like a small part of it. What the fuck do you give shows that have shitty animation, shitty plot, shitty voice acting, between other things? can you really lump a show with good animation, voice acting, decent plot and a bad ending with them?
Most of the real bad shows that are entries on MAL aren't hosted or are really hard to find on the internet. 99.99% of the people don't watch them.
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@BurningSpirit
Popular and Good are very interchangeable check Top Anime vs Popular Anime.
If it's unpopular it's probably bad. If it wasn't bad people would share it more. That's not the case all the time but most of the time it is.

Half the shows are below average, half the shows are above average, if you follow the money trail you'll be picking shows above average. Very recommended shows, popular shows, high score shows, shows that got a second season, the big majority of these are above average. And if you pick the crop of these then they are probably at least good for the majority of people.


My believe is that every individual has some sort of list to check off when determining whether they like a show (perhaps this is more conscious with critical watchers of anime but more sub-conscious for those that turn off their brain and enjoy). If a good number is checked on our "list", we enjoy it. If not, we don't.

Basically what anime that ends up popular seeks to do it to check the most common things in the people's lists. Basically I'd say almost everyone likes a few or at least one mainstream series. But often those with their own opinion do like other anime.

With that said, everyone also has some things in their "list" that is more specific and obscure. So I believe that people's favourite show is unlikely to be a mainstream one, but rather something that is very very specific on their list. Basically whenever people rave about a uniqueness of a show, it's likely because they've finally found a show that ticks that obscure criteria of theirs.

Liking popular anime isn't a problem, most people do. But to insinuate all popular anime are good, shows that your opinion of an anime might be too heavily influenced by the opinions of others. Or you just don't have anything in your check list that is remotely different from anyone else.


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You mentioned you think it's unfortunate people pick based on popularity/recommendations but you didn't mention an alternative, other than randomly picking which is strictly worse on average than following a recommendation.

Erm... I did.
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Personally I only hear recommendations from trusted real life friends who have similar tastes to mine, and even then I often end up being indifferent to the show. Popularity means nothing to me. Where is this perfect world of yours where you only pick up above average shows from listening to the hype train?
No one is asking you to use a random anime generator, even if you go around searching, you look for genre tags and synopsis. I'm saying you should stop only listening to what is popular.

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And you give a pretty decent show a 2 just because you didn't like a small part of it. What the fuck do you give shows that have shitty animation, shitty plot, shitty voice acting, between other things? can you really lump a show with good animation, voice acting, decent plot and a bad ending with them?
Most of the real bad shows that are entries on MAL aren't hosted or are really hard to find on the internet. 99.99% of the people don't watch them.


A small part of it? The WHOLE damn show was trying to pull emotions out of death and the fighting. BAM last part, destroys the entire build up of the show. The build-up mean nothing if you can't find that final target to hit. In fact a show like that brings up a rare feeling, hatred. Usually I'm just indifferent, but it pisses me off when a show takes the effort to do something, only to consciously turn around a give the viewers the middle finger.
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dont really care what people rate what but i find people that watch anime based on ratings: Sheeps
 
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@BurningSpirit
Top animes all rank at least good on the major points, plot, animation, music, voice acting, character development...

Almost all popular anime are at least good because good is >6. And if you pick only say the top 25 most popular they are all probably >7 other than one or two. Only watch the top 25 anime and you'll end up with an average of 8.5. And that's a lot of days worth btw because of the battle mangas with hundreds of episodes.

I don't think I have many irl friends with more than a few days of anime. But what's the difference between that and recommendations on an anime you liked? Or you can just check top scored anime by people with a lot of shared anime with you too.

Btw the most popular animes are obviously the most favorited too.
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A curve including all entries should be of a gaussian form. One including limited entries by picking animes you liked and not rating animes you dropped should look like mine.
Amount of total animes each rating should have (percentages): 6-25,7-15,8-6,9-3,10-1
 
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Almost all popular anime are at least good because good is >6. And if you pick only say the top 25 most popular they are all probably >7 other than one or two. Only watch the top 25 anime and you'll end up with an average of 8.5. And that's a lot of days worth btw because of the battle mangas with hundreds of episodes.

I don't think I have many irl friends with more than a few days of anime.


MAL ratings uses a weighted score btw, more people generally means higher ratings.

In any case, I'm not disagreeing that popular shows are generally above average, but we all know >6 and >7 means nothing in MAL ratings. Back back to your rating system. Is rating 30 shows 10 and 99 shows 9 really a sign of using your anime list to best represent yourself? How do you rate? By how hyped you are?
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@Angelquasilike
I don't believe there is a correlation between popularity and subjective quality. Everyone has different taste so if 90% of the top 100 most popular anime are rated over 8 you are most likely to rate 90% of them over 8 as well, but not necessarily the same ones. In fact, because of how different rating systems are there is a chance that they'll all be 10s to you and there will also be a chance that you won't give a single one of them over a 7.

In my top 10 favourite anime 5 of them have over 100k members and the over half have under. I think this is pretty representative of the kind of anime I like. You can't expect to like all of the popular anime, but there are enough out there that there are bound to be at least a couple that fit your taste very well.

Mean scores don't usually form a perfect bell curve and you can't really expect people to rate that way. Even mine has a big bulge at the bottom due to shitty shorts.
 
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BurningSpirit said:
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@BurningSpirit
Almost all popular anime are at least good because good is >6. And if you pick only say the top 25 most popular they are all probably >7 other than one or two. Only watch the top 25 anime and you'll end up with an average of 8.5. And that's a lot of days worth btw because of the battle mangas with hundreds of episodes.

I don't think I have many irl friends with more than a few days of anime.


MAL ratings uses a weighted score btw, more people generally means higher ratings.

In any case, I'm not disagreeing that popular shows are generally above average, but we all know >6 and >7 means nothing in MAL ratings. Back back to your rating system. Is rating 30 shows 10 and 99 shows 9 really a sign of using your anime list to best represent yourself? How do you rate? By how hyped you are?


I want to distribute normally all entries on MAL. What percentage of shows would you rate higher than 9.5? Assuming I've seen 66% of the shows I'll rate 10 so far which seems fair, that would end with 45 animes rated 10. Assuming 30k entries on MAL that's 0.15% Animes rated above 9.5. Is that high to you?

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The rating of all entries should follow a bell curve. For your ratings to follow a bell curve you'd have to have a neutral sample of animes. That's really unlikely unless the animes you watch are picked randomly. You are more likely to pick animes you like so your rating curve will be skewed towards an higher score. That's called a student t curve btw.
A curve including all entries should be of a gaussian form. One including limited entries by picking animes you liked and not rating animes you dropped should look like mine.
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Angelquasilike said:
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Top animes all rank at least good on the major points, plot, animation, music, voice acting, character development...

Almost all popular anime are at least good because good is >6. And if you pick only say the top 25 most popular they are all probably >7 other than one or two. Only watch the top 25 anime and you'll end up with an average of 8.5. And that's a lot of days worth btw because of the battle mangas with hundreds of episodes.

I don't think I have many irl friends with more than a few days of anime. But what's the difference between that and recommendations on an anime you liked? Or you can just check top scored anime by people with a lot of shared anime with you too.

Btw the most popular animes are obviously the most favorited too.

I think the popularity rankings have very little relevance to the quality. I just checked the top100 and my scores range from 9 to 2. The top rated is more accurate but even there are many titles I rated below 5.


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I am a biased rater.. I usually score 7 or 8 in all my shows ...if it's bad I just drop it....and if it's good 9 or 10
 
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1. Set the average value = 7
2. Add the quality (objective aspect of the anime) -2 till + 2
3. Add enjoyment score (subjective) -4 till +4
4. Read other review to both side (high and low) -1 till +1


I need to set my average to 4....mean score way too high
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2. Focused + Anime binged watching with speed up
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4. Relaxing in virtual cinema with VR.
 
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yellow_kid said:
I mean, a masterpiece is a masterpiece regardless of human opinion

This makes sense only if you define "masterpiece" = a work produced by a master of the art form. But are there any Anime academies out there granting internationally recognized titles to people? And people like Hayao Miyazaki are called master because their overall work got critical acclaim. But that's already subjective since critics are still subjective no matter how close they keep to standard categories like "characters" or "plot".

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Like it if you like it. Enjoyment is how your shitty articulate brains perceives it to be.

Now that's something I can totally agree with. I think it's most important that YOUR Anime list mirrors YOUR taste.
 
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yellow_kid said:
Is it just me, or is everybody obsessed with how everybody else rates their shows?

Definetely not just you.
And i don't care about how everybody else rate their shows because there are too many menthod you can do like :
Rated at 10 scale range
Rating based on enjoyement
Rating based on overall
Rated at 5 scale range
And much more

So why did your care?

 
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