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In the MAL Forum system, it is really hard to discern good posts in certain topic out of all the various posts people post online. Should there be a point system to determine which post is helpful or not to resolve this problem?
 
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Umm, how do you go about discerning what's a 'shit' post on the first place? MAL forum is weird, but definitely not Flawed.
damn, the forums these days...
 
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All I know is that this is the Anime Discussion section and the whole point here is to discuss, not to give a one off answer/advice to the poster. Also, have a point system would mean that popular opinions or dank shitposting would get the spotlight and overshadow the more unpopular but potentially helpful posts.
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I'm eager to see your explanation on how not discerning good posts from bad posts categorizes a forum system as flawed.

If you wanna know if a post is good or not, you could read its title and the OP's initial explanation of the post, y'know.

Reading is a good thing.




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Jan 15, 2017 8:48 PM

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I actually wouldn't mind a like button, it would make the forums a little more livelier.
 
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Jan 15, 2017 8:50 PM

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Of course it is. Everything is flawed, although it's true that the flaws of MAL forums are far more extreme.
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Unless mods always wanted to merge all redundant thread in anime discussion in one thread, there will be new similar thread everyday.

As for topic that dont belong in anime discussion, make full use of report button. You can use it for spammer / bot / specific anime discussion or thread that doesnt encourage discussion.


Additionally, I wish there is way to hide quote pyramid when 2 people are talking to each other.
And there should a method to give negative point for people that derail the topic / hate speech
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No need. This isn't popularity contest.
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion.

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Jan 15, 2017 9:44 PM

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I think a like or thanks button would be nice.
 
Jan 15, 2017 9:49 PM

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no; i prefer it with no points
i can discern good posts very good myself
go to reddit or cuckoldbird or some other site
 
Jan 15, 2017 11:42 PM

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From my experience with point systems, personalized likes (that is, under the post there goes a list of names of people who liked the post) are a lot more productive. Since it's MAL, I would like that people in a user's "friends" list would be highlighted among the list of likers.

"Dislike" button is likely to get abused. "Report" button with reasonably active moderators seems to work better.

Bravejoshy said:
In the MAL Forum system, it is really hard to discern good posts in certain topic out of all the various posts people post online.

As a rule of thumb, long posts are written by serious people, and are serious answers.

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Additionally, I wish there is way to hide quote pyramid when 2 people are talking to each other.

Aren't quote pyramids already hidden? Or do you mean ability to hide the pyramid back when you open it?
 
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Bravejoshy said:
In the MAL Forum system, it is really hard to discern good posts in certain topic out of all the various posts people post online. Should there be a point system to determine which post is helpful or not to resolve this problem?

What's so flawed about the system, this is how a good number of forums work. Sounds like your just lazy to... I don't know... read the threads.

Besides, doesn't practically the whole MAL complain about how most people have shit taste? Yeah allowing the "most people" to vote on a point system will certainly help ease the complaining.

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From my experience with point systems, personalized likes (that is, under the post there goes a list of names of people who liked the post) are a lot more productive. Since it's MAL, I would like that people in a user's "friends" list would be highlighted among the list of likers.

"Dislike" button is likely to get abused. "Report" button with reasonably active moderators seems to work better.


Yeah, a personalised white list of users that allow individuals to more easily find posts they like would be great.

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Additionally, I wish there is way to hide quote pyramid when 2 people are talking to each other.

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Aren't quote pyramids already hidden? Or do you mean ability to hide the pyramid back when you open it?


I think people should edit their quotes more, removing parts irrelevant to their reply. I do that all the time, I wish more people would too. There's rarely a point in keeping previous quotes.

Also on a side note, I hate people who quote the original post, then leave one sentence below it. It makes sense if you are addressing multiple people in the same post or highlighting a certain part. But it's rather annoying when people quote the whole thing (sometimes even with images), only to say "Lol I agree"
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god fucking no, point systems and upvoting are cancer and ruin the integrity of any forum, turning it into a populistic cancer hivemind where everything that goes against the majority has no chance of being heard. I can already imagine every user liking old anime getting downvoted to oblivion at every opportunity.

That suggestion is pure cancer and I would most definitely quit MAL if it ever happened. You are free to go to reddit or whereever if you prefer these cancer upvoting systems but personally I'd really like to keep at least one big forum that doesn't suffer from this cancer.

I don't think I've said cancer often enough tbh.

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First we have to make a restriction that, if it is flawed, what is the flaws? Are you confident enough to point it because you know the rules, if so, what is it? Should I assume that you know all the rules?

No, helpful botton or +1/-1 system in the forum breaks the fun of using the forum itself. Simply put it, if a person have 100 +1 and 20000 -1 to his comment, whereas a dude who have 1000000 +1 and no -1, is the Person 2 more "well-known" than Person 1?

In conclusion, this is the reason why the board removed the +1/-1 in reviews; it promotes elitism.

I'd argue that the rules stands on its own, it is useless indeed, very useless. But it keeps the forum at least to function as what it is today, so that's the ultimate goal of rules, ppl don't like to be bound by things so that's the reason why they don't like it.
 
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Upvote/Downvote systems is what makes reddit cancer. It would only make MAL even more shitty as the circlejerk will upvote what they like and downvote what they don't, with no respect for the content of meaning of the thread, so hell no.
 
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I see people here say the reason there aren't voting buttons in MAL is because of "respect" as they conviniently miss the part where other users constantly try to convince you what a dumbass you are for thinking in a definite way. The upvote, downvote button will, yes, be bad because many replies will be ignored and be downvoted but it seems like you forget that despite the lack of such buttons the users do pretty good job of bashing and not respecting each other on their own. It's not a discussion, it's "hahaha, really? How could you...?"
 
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See Memecenter comment section and you will understand why it wont work on MAL.
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The popularity ones are easily seen from how many the reply for the discussion . So we ain't need such upvote like that

You're think like that mainly because no good post you're found in recent time
It's happen because many good post has been existed before and usually forum administrator usually deleted the post that have same meaning/title with previous ones.
So that's why we got less of good post to discuss right now
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The real problem of MAL is the fucking dogshit broken search engine. Jesus Christ, fix that shit already, it's unusable..

Vote system is shit, no need to encourage more circlejerk, this is a forum, not plebbit.
 
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The real problem of MAL is the fucking dogshit broken search engine. Jesus Christ, fix that shit already, it's unusable..


Lol... If you look in the Support Board, Comic_Sans have already address this( multiple times), and Luna have responded. Read it there.
 
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_Ako_ said:
Aquamirror said:
The real problem of MAL is the fucking dogshit broken search engine. Jesus Christ, fix that shit already, it's unusable..


Lol... If you look in the Support Board, Comic_Sans have already address this( multiple times), and Luna have responded. Read it there.

Cool. Still kinda weird to work directly on the forum and leaving a broken system in place when you can test it on a different server lol.
 
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iwansquall said:
Unless mods always wanted to merge all redundant thread in anime discussion in one thread, there will be new similar thread everyday.

As for topic that dont belong in anime discussion, make full use of report button. You can use it for spammer / bot / specific anime discussion or thread that doesnt encourage discussion.


Additionally, I wish there is way to hide quote pyramid when 2 people are talking to each other.
And there should a method to give negative point for people that derail the topic / hate speech
what an excellent option....

lets give ppl neg points cuz you dont like what they say.

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Upvote/Downvote systems is what makes reddit cancer. It would only make MAL even more shitty as the circlejerk will upvote what they like and downvote what they don't, with no respect for the content of meaning of the thread, so hell no.
with the opposing circlejerk doldoing in their own barrage of such votes

oh and moar pplz makin fake ids for just voting.
 
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LIKE THIS POST IF YOU THINK MAL IS FLAWED

Have you seen the Youtube comment system? Some of the most inane stuff will always come out on top, lowest common denominator posts.
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No it isn't. Every forum is like this, and having the topics that are the most recent at the top is the most useful, because otherwise new posts would never get any comments, due to all the other posts being at the top.
 
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well i hardly find those points system other forums use to be any helpfull to pick the best comments
 
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Should there be a point system to determine which post is helpful or not to resolve this problem?

Maybe in like the Support (Help) section or similar... could be some option for the OP to mark his thread as "Solved" by marking which post helped his issue. Not really necessary though... I think the forums are fine. Just skim through the thread til you find whatever post you're looking for.

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LIKE THIS POST IF YOU THINK MAL IS FLAWED

Have you seen the Youtube comment system? Some of the most inane stuff will always come out on top, lowest common denominator posts.


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On another note, I've only gotten a top comment once... always silly comments and meme related comments nowadays.
 
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The only flawed thing about MAL's forums is the fact that people with the mentality of a 10 year old are able to post.
 
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Why is this in AD anyways? Crazy noisy bizzare town
 
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Plz, no.
First of all, a Reddit-like system would make this a bunch of circlejerk and discourage people of posting here (Some people just want to show and discuss their opinions without being judged upon)

I'm also kinda skeptical about a "Like" button, i think what would be much better would be like... either :) , :| and :( or "HaHa" and "Sad"
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If you add a like system this entire forum will circlejerk.

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Why is this in AD anyways? Crazy noisy bizzare town

Because we're talking in My(Anime)List forums, of course.
 
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Why is this in AD anyways? Crazy noisy bizzare town

Because we're talking in My(Anime)List forums, of course.

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Saediss said:

Because we're talking in My(Anime)List forums, of course.

That was weak. Let the voice of love take you higher

The opportunity was there and I took it. Can you really blame me?
 
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That was weak. Let the voice of love take you higher

The opportunity was there and I took it. Can you really blame me?

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>People fearing that this forum will circlejerk
>Implying that circlejerks don't happen already

I wouldn't mind a like system, but I doubt that this, alone and by itself, would make the forum experience more efficient. The best way to discern good posts is still reading them.
 
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god fucking no, point systems and upvoting are cancer and ruin the integrity of any forum, turning it into a populistic cancer hivemind where everything that goes against the majority has no chance of being heard. I can already imagine every user liking old anime getting downvoted to oblivion at every opportunity.

That suggestion is pure cancer and I would most definitely quit MAL if it ever happened. You are free to go to reddit or whereever if you prefer these cancer upvoting systems but personally I'd really like to keep at least one big forum that doesn't suffer from this cancer.

I don't think I've said cancer often enough tbh.

LOL MAL isn't like this already? At the very least you could meet like minded people who would otherwise be lurkers or someone who doesn't want to repeat what was said already.
 
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Modern libtards surely like to censor themselves, uh
 
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I see people here say the reason there aren't voting buttons in MAL is because of "respect" as they conviniently miss the part where other users constantly try to convince you what a dumbass you are for thinking in a definite way. The upvote, downvote button will, yes, be bad because many replies will be ignored and be downvoted but it seems like you forget that despite the lack of such buttons the users do pretty good job of bashing and not respecting each other on their own. It's not a discussion, it's "hahaha, really? How could you...?"

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>People fearing that this forum will circlejerk
>Implying that circlejerks don't happen already

I wouldn't mind a like system, but I doubt that this, alone and by itself, would make the forum experience more efficient. The best way to discern good posts is still reading them.


Well humans argue and insult each other and groups with similar interests/values will cirlejerk themselves, you can't turn that off. But the least you can do is guarantee that these inevitable actions don't have any consequences in terms of shaping which posts are read/on top. If the first one to post happens to have a contrarian opinion his post shouldn't be degraded to the 1000th position or made invisible just because the majority doesn't agree with him. That's the difference between having cirlejerks on a neutral site or the whole site becoming a cirlejerk by definition. To me that difference is HUGE.

As jal said, reading posts is the best way to discern their quality and with the current system belonging to a minority still allows your posts to be read with equal opportunities. To me that's the minimum requirement for being a place where people talk to each other as equals and without certain opinions being suppressed from the start. I don't want other people to decide for me which posts are worth reading. I don't trust those people. And unless you literally ARE the mainstream in terms of every opinion and value you have, neither should any of you.

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Pullman said:
god fucking no, point systems and upvoting are cancer and ruin the integrity of any forum, turning it into a populistic cancer hivemind where everything that goes against the majority has no chance of being heard. I can already imagine every user liking old anime getting downvoted to oblivion at every opportunity.

That suggestion is pure cancer and I would most definitely quit MAL if it ever happened. You are free to go to reddit or whereever if you prefer these cancer upvoting systems but personally I'd really like to keep at least one big forum that doesn't suffer from this cancer.

I don't think I've said cancer often enough tbh.

LOL MAL isn't like this already? At the very least you could meet like minded people who would otherwise be lurkers or someone who doesn't want to repeat what was said already.


Not really, if you post in a thread early enough people will read your post no matter how weird your opinion is. Nobody can make your post any less visible than others. Of course people can still choose to ignore it after they read it, but that's just basic human behaviour. At least they made that decision after reading the post and being fully informed in what it is they choose to ignore. With voting systems other people make that choice for you and cou can't control what posts are on the top and which are on the bottom. You'll always have 20 posts saying the same (the most popular opinion) on the top while now you can have 20 different opinions on the first page of a thread.

How does that make it easier to meet likeminded people if you belong to a minority? Right now I can see all kinds of opinions in the early pages of a thread and if I like what someone says I can get to know them better etc... With a voting system you'd only see the upvoted mainstream posts and everything deviating from that would be hard to find. Unpopular opinions, lengthy detailed posts not many people read would be alongside spam and insults and the bottom. No fucking thanks.

And that's just talking about the objective flaw of any voting-based communication system. It inherently suppresses unpopular opinions and turns any topic into a circlejerk by default. Anyone who doesn't see that as clear as the day is probably kidding themselves. It is 100% unavoidable that voting systems will have these effects and that alone is enough reason for me to reject and avoid any forum based on them. It scares me how many people seem to actively want these attributes in their forums but whatever, I don't care about them existing as long as I have alternatives like MAL where the site itself doesn't have a mechanic to make communication even more biased than it already is as soon as humans are involved.

On top of that I have more subjective reasons to reject the idea, like the fact that posts that tend to get many upvotes are usually
-trying to be funny
-short
-snarky
-easy to digest

while stuff that focuses more on intelligent content, in-depth analysis and being thorough than being funny, short and easy to read has a much harder time gaining recognition.
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Some people here needs to go to r/anime and never come back.
 
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Oh sure I wouldn't want anything like reddit; but a simple like or +1 would be totally fine imo. I've been to plenty of forums that had like buttons that definitely show the minority opinion wasn't that "minority" at all. I would think a post with a lot of likes would grab the attention of your average skimmer quickly scrolling through the pages of comments.

Like you said their will always be the list of common like grab comments, but it here regardless of the a like button or not. We got plenty of meme, one liner guys, and jerks here.

To make it clear I do agree that a reddit style setup ain't the way to go.
 
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Oh sure I wouldn't want anything like reddit; but a simple like or +1 would be totally fine imo. I've been to plenty of forums that had like buttons that definitely show the minority opinion wasn't that "minority" at all. I would think a post with a lot of likes would grab the attention of your average skimmer quickly scrolling through the pages of comments.

Like you said their will always be the list of common like grab comments, but it here regardless of the a like button or not. We got plenty of meme, one liner guys, and jerks here.

To make it clear I do agree that a reddit style setup ain't the way to go.


You mean the votes being displayed as a purely cosmetical thing without any actual effect?
I'd still be against it because I still believe that more often than not I'd be disappointed when I give an upvoted post a read that, without the votes, I'd have ignored. Basically it would waste more of my time than it saved. I just don't believe that democratic judgments align with what I care about very often in general, I guess, so I don't see the point of them in a context like this. Thanks Trump.

But I'd be against it with less passion in that scenario :>.
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Sounds like you want Reddit OP, just go to Reddit's anime subreddit and go wild then. This is a traditional forum.

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Sounds like you need to go back to reddit.

Heres an idea, actually read through the thread and decide on your own which posts you agree with.

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Oh sure I wouldn't want anything like reddit; but a simple like or +1 would be totally fine imo.

Likes or +1 would be fucking terrible for forum posts
 
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In the MAL Forum system, it is really hard to discern good posts in certain topic out of all the various posts people post online. Should there be a point system to determine which post is helpful or not to resolve this problem?


Why don't you use your own brain to discern good points. Why do you have to rely on someone else to do it for you?
 
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There is literally no forum system that is flawless...
But among all the forums I've visited till now, MAL is definitely one of the better ones..
 
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Oh sure I wouldn't want anything like reddit; but a simple like or +1 would be totally fine imo. I've been to plenty of forums that had like buttons that definitely show the minority opinion wasn't that "minority" at all. I would think a post with a lot of likes would grab the attention of your average skimmer quickly scrolling through the pages of comments.

Like you said their will always be the list of common like grab comments, but it here regardless of the a like button or not. We got plenty of meme, one liner guys, and jerks here.

To make it clear I do agree that a reddit style setup ain't the way to go.


You mean the votes being displayed as a purely cosmetical thing without any actual effect?
I'd still be against it because I still believe that more often than not I'd be disappointed when I give an upvoted post a read that, without the votes, I'd have ignored. Basically it would waste more of my time than it saved. I just don't believe that democratic judgments align with what I care about very often in general, I guess, so I don't see the point of them in a context like this. Thanks Trump.

But I'd be against it with less passion in that scenario :>.

Yeah I guess you could say cosmetic but I would want it so it would reveal the names of the likers. I don't think it would remake or totally change anything but it would be a nice touch.
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Likes or +1 would be fucking terrible for forum posts

OK Cool, whatever.
 
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It sounded to me like you thought it doesn't make a difference either way, but if you think the voting would make it worse then I've misunderstood. I agree and I'm not trying to say everything is good right now, just that no matter what you think of the current state, voting systems would make it worse imo.


e: oh he deleted his reply. well, whatever.

e2: now he's below me. I am confused.

e3: confusion cleared

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Pullman said:
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I see people here say the reason there aren't voting buttons in MAL is because of "respect" as they conviniently miss the part where other users constantly try to convince you what a dumbass you are for thinking in a definite way. The upvote, downvote button will, yes, be bad because many replies will be ignored and be downvoted but it seems like you forget that despite the lack of such buttons the users do pretty good job of bashing and not respecting each other on their own. It's not a discussion, it's "hahaha, really? How could you...?"


Well humans argue and insult each other and groups with similar interests/values will cirlejerk themselves, you can't turn that off. But the least you can do is guarantee that these inevitable actions don't have any consequences in terms of shaping which posts are read/on top. If the first one to post happens to have a contrarian opinion his post shouldn't be degraded to the 1000th position or made invisible just because the majority doesn't agree with him. That's the difference between having cirlejerks on a neutral site or the whole site becoming a cirlejerk by definition. To me that difference is HUGE.

As jal said, reading posts is the best way to discern their quality and with the current system belonging to a minority still allows your posts to be read with equal opportunities. To me that's the minimum requirement for being a place where people talk to each other as equals and without certain opinions being suppressed from the start. I don't want other people to decide for me which posts are worth reading. I don't trust those people. And unless you literally ARE the mainstream in terms of every opinion and value you have, neither should any of you.


I haven't said that the button system will improve anything anywhere, I said the exact opposite; can't process how you interpreted it. What I wrote was in fact implying that users act as the lack of that system guarantees respect for one another and this is not the truth. The ability to downvote will only make it worse but let's not act as if there's no such thing as ridiculing and quarreling on a daily basis here.

edit: I didn't quote it right, that's why I deleted it. sorry
 
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In the MAL Forum system, it is really hard to discern good posts in certain topic out of all the various posts people post online. Should there be a point system to determine which post is helpful or not to resolve this problem?

we reddit now.

check r/anime if you want that
 
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