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Jan 1, 2017 4:11 PM

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Objectification has many meanings.

If you're referring to the objectification of women, then look no further than your OP. There isn't anything wrong with what you've said, in my opinion, since people have different preferences.

However it is when those preferences are presented as objects that creates the wrong. Objects can be owned, but if a person is owned, then is it wrong? If you are not taught to differentiate, then it is wrong. I know men, women, children, all used as objects for the crooked desires of others.

An acquaintance of mine, had been used for sex for many years, by her step father, by her ex boyfriend, many other men who thought it's okay to just use her. She was never prostituted but since young she was used - when her step dad was confronted, after she reached out for help, he blew out his own brains. Many people unknowingly objectify others as well, as did the men besides her step father - to some of them it was a one night stand, as an example. Everyone is a victim, with varying degrees in this scenario.

It's the essence of how we perceive people. In my opinion, the objectification of a person or idea that people can be used for inhumane acts, is wrong.

For those of you saying you can't use fictional characters and scenarios for the purpose of objectifying others - then you're wrong, says everything I've ever learned in the past 5 years of social studies.
dzeJan 1, 2017 9:23 PM

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Jan 1, 2017 4:11 PM
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IpreferEcchi said:
@Denpai What I see is a hypocrite, because first you said you don't support SJWs, and then you said you're neutral. Take a stance or you don't belong in a debate. Mm, you think you automatically win a debate if you start with those two magic letters, mm.

Are you a dumbass or something? I said I don't support it. I don't support SJW, nor do I support anti-SJW. How the hell does saying I don't support SJW mean I support anti-SJW in the first place?

@WMR
Whoops, I assumed too much, my bad.
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Jan 1, 2017 4:13 PM

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@Denpai If you're neutral, you really have no place in a debate. Debates are for two parties. Those in favor, and those against. All you're doing is backseat moderating.
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IpreferEcchi said:
@Denpai If you're neutral, you really have no place in a debate. Debates are for two parties.

Uh, not having a side doesn't mean I don't have a place, nor does it mean I don't care about the subject. I just don't agree with either party and I'm pointing out the flaws on both sides. I do have an opinion.

It's comparable to Republicans vs Democrats. I'm neither since I disagree with both. Doesn't mean I can't debate?
Jan 1, 2017 4:18 PM

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Denpai said:
IpreferEcchi said:
@Denpai If you're neutral, you really have no place in a debate. Debates are for two parties.

Uh, not having a side doesn't mean I don't have a place, nor does it mean I don't care about the subject. I just don't agree with either party and I'm pointing out the flaws on both sides. I do have an opinion.

It's comparable to Republicans vs Democrats. I'm neither since I disagree with both. Doesn't mean I can't debate?


I agree, you can definitely debate, but I don't think either party wants you at their debate. lol

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Jan 1, 2017 4:19 PM

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Denpai said:
Uh, not having a side doesn't mean I don't have a place, nor does it mean I don't care about the subject. I just don't agree with either party and I'm pointing out the flaws on both sides. I do have an opinion.

It's comparable to Republicans vs Democrats. I'm neither since I disagree with both. Doesn't mean I can't debate?
If all you're going to do is point out flaws and not actually propose an alternative solution, you're not helping anyone but yourself. Nobody is going to take you seriously without an actual solution and you come off as selfish trash. "Both sides are wrong!" is a worthless and meaningless opinion.
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Jan 1, 2017 4:22 PM

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kronopy said:
Taking a woman, keeping her in chains (symbolic or real), treating her like a piece of meat with no value, that is incapable of doing anything by herself - that is objectification.

The term of objectification is used wrong by the Western SWJ's and feminist.
oh shit
I should double check then
@GangsterCat this is the kind of stuff we are talking about right?


Nup, I am talking about the term applied in real life. Objectification in fiction is a ridiculous issue. Is fiction... it doesn't affect real life, so is useless to worry or complain about it.
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IpreferEcchi said:
Denpai said:
Uh, not having a side doesn't mean I don't have a place, nor does it mean I don't care about the subject. I just don't agree with either party and I'm pointing out the flaws on both sides. I do have an opinion.

It's comparable to Republicans vs Democrats. I'm neither since I disagree with both. Doesn't mean I can't debate?
If all you're going to do is point out flaws and not actually propose an alternative solution, you're not helping anyone but yourself. That's why third parties in the U.S. flounder as well. Because they're not a serious option unless they have an actual solution.

A solution? Well, I don't think there's a solution in this case... however, my first post explained my thoughts sort of:
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you sir are hypocrite if you watch any porn and have any desire to have sex because it's literally sexually objectifying human, which is completely normal

I quit porn, but I do see what you're saying. However, you are mistaken about one thing: masturbating is not objectifying. Otherwise, you wouldn't be stimulated. If you play with sex toys, it is actually personifying. Opposite of objectifying, I'm assuming you're retarded so I'm making sure you understand. Based on evolution, you literally can't get aroused unless you personify.

Anyways, your "objectification" is simply you losing control and freedom from your reproductive hormones. Mm maybe you have fetishes too? Either way, when you lose control, you essentially lose all genuine feelings and that is what people call objectifying. I'm not against it, I pity you for not having control of your own body.


On a side note, I agree with @dze.
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I'm turning off notifications for forum quotes, user mentions, and watched topic posts now. Time to go radio silent like with Forum Games. If I think a topic is worth coming back to any more, I'll look on my own time. Trying to work on something.
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GangsterCat said:
hi sir

as a human male, i absolutely love sexy women bodies and I am sexually attracted to it

what is wrong with that, sir?


There's nothing wrong with that.
Objectification is when you lose sight of a woman's value as a human being, and only lust after her for the junk in the trunk or what she's packing on the chest. When you start to see a woman (or even a man) as a piece of meat for your own sexual gratification, that is objectification, and it is wrong because it makes people feel really really bad. It makes one feel as if they have no intrinsic value when that's not the case. People are divinely complex and have a value much higher than something you can merely get off to.
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