Anime and its Shortcomings

Aria-da-Capo said:
Excalibur was the best thing from Soul Eater.

j0x said:
sequels are usually bad as they say even Hollywood movie sequels have that bad reputation

but still i watch it

i recommend you watch Psycho-Pass already the second season is no way that horrible but just average and i bet you can still find it enjoyable

gabrielrroiz said:
i do not get the purpose of this post
do you want to discuss about sequels being worst or anime flaws in general?
also do you seem to se bothered with some of the anime you mention having some flaws.i would be lying if i said all of my favorites did not have some annoying moments and this stays true for other forms of media

kukukachu said:
There are a lot of anime that people talk very highly of, but they warn that the second season isn't good.

Psycho Pass
Darker Than Black
Black Butler
Log Horizon

kukukachu said:
just to name a few, but then you have anime that did a lot of things right, but failed in other parts.

kukukachu said:
I guess I'm trying to discuss the second season of things and how anime companies put out a crappy season (sometimes filled with nothing but fluff) and they wonder why their show didn't sell well. It just seems that once a company has made their money, they just stop caring about the quality. Like their done making that show, but people are still asking for another season.

gabrielrroiz said:
well i have no idea why you brought anime tht did most of everything right but failed in something do you want to discuss anime flaws in general or just sequels usually being worst
also the biggest reason for those sequels being worst is poor planning it is way easier at the start for those series since they had a long previously planned start but as the demand for new episodes continues it gets way harder to remain some consistency

kukukachu said:
I kind of want to discuss both. I actually I want to discuss even more topics, but these are fine for now. I bought anime that did mostly what I liked because it was still good even with the "flaws". But why do you think these manga authors/animation directors make these characters you can't stand and/or change the mood of the show that just feels awkward? Do they think the people watching/reading can't handle all of the feels and so they throw in a comedic relief? I don't mind comedic relief when it is done well (like puck), but it's all about presentation and a lot of shows fail in that sense.

You would think they would care a little more about something that is making them money, yet they just seem like they don't care and just pump it out and hope it makes money. I'm watching Log Horizon season 1 right now and I am worried about season 2. It just doesn't make sense to me how s1 can get a rating of 8 and season 2 gets a 6....it's just stupid to not even try to make a show a cash cow if you know people are liking it.

RagingDominican said:

None of these shows sequels weren't "bad" they just weren't as good as the first series. If you like a show you just might enjoy the these "bad" sequels. Also you should actually try watching these shows because everyone likes different things, so could never know if would like Log Horizon 2 without watching it.

There is no such thing as a perfect show everything has flaws, so stop worrying about a such a small detail, anime is made to be enjoyed

gabrielrroiz said:

i tend to think they stop caring about quality because a show that stablished a loyal fanbase will sell regardless of the quality of the product it is also kind of way easier to sell a tv series on brand recognition than make a new show
the biggest example for this occuring i can think is not even from anime but the series the walking dead has an abismal drop in quality between season 1 and 2 but the series remained as comercially sucessfull

Daconator said:
I haven't found this a tendency, least not yet, because I have watched just as many good second seasons, some I thought excelled the first.

Tarotist said:
Basically when you find the first one very good, you expect the sequel to surpass it. And if the sequel doesn't surpass it, you end up disappointed...

In my case, I watch everything that an anime has to offer. If I watch the first season, I'm obligated to watch the second season. I don't like leaving stories incomplete, which is why I watch the following season regardless of ratings.

And of course while anime is entertainment, it is still a business. If they don't find a specific series profitable, then that reduces the chance of it getting a sequel. And sometimes these sequels get half-assed, so people may not like them, but the companies still get the money from it...It's cruel, but that's business...

amk_2397 said:
Well first, there's no escaping flaws in a show. They all have them. It's just up to you the viewer to decide how much those flaws affect your enjoyment of the show. Secondly, the content that the creators put in like comedic relief might work in theory to them but in the final product it might not. There's also the argument that people perceive things differently. You find Excalibur to be an annoying little prick it somebody else might find him incredibly entertaining.

As for poor sequels, well depends on a lot factors. Like @gabrielrroiz said it could be due to poor planning prof it's an adaptation maybe it's source material isn't as strong as the first. Using the example of Psycho Pass its sequel is horrible because the original creator, Gen Urobuchi, wasn't on the project so writing was handed over to another writer,
Tow Ubukata. Now the higher ups in charge of Psycho Pass thought this would be fine but obviously it didn't wotk out cause Ubukata lacked a good understanding of the core themes and essential elements that made up the first season.

Again, a lot of these depend on various factors. Just don't let small flaws or poor sequels ruin your love for your favourite anime.

animangaddict said:
black butler second season just filler,100 percent filler

Ratchetdude231 said:
Frankly I don't really give a shit about a show's shortcomings. Unless a show is unbearable I keep watching it and if there is a second season I watch that too.

Even if a show is not great I can still get some enjoyment out of it.

Please do yourself a favor and watch Psycho Pass and Log Horizon. Both are great and while their second seasons aren't as good as the originals they are still good.

In regards to why second seasons are usually not as good as the first season it's usually a number of factors. In the case of Psycho Pass for example it's second season was made by a different group of people. From my understanding at least Urbuchi basically made season 1 and then went to work on the movie and then a different group of people worked on season 2. In the case of Log Horizon it's second season was made by a completely different studio.

I can go on and on. Season 2 of Code Geass is often disliked because people feel that the story fell apart in that season.

mattao313 said:
Don't watch Phantom:Requiem of the Phantom straight garbage, a true train wreck of a show.

codephat said:
You're asking a lot of questions and generalizing a lot, but I'll comment on a few things.

P-P2 has a more consistent theme and comes together better than the first season, it's just rushed.
Also, it's not just the goofy parts of Hellsing Ultimate that are offputting. The show is excessive for shock value and it also has that odd tonal imbalance. Just feels messy.

I do watch anime that have supposedly bad second seasons, or shows that are supposedly bad in general. I don't trust most opinions, especially negative ones.
No, companies don't ruin a show to kill it off. If the show is popular with only a few, they just won't make a second season.

TheBrainintheJar said:
Each season is its own piece of work and I review separately. I don't care if the second season is crap. I only care what happens now.

No reason to keep myself from a good anime just because the sequel isn't good.

kukukachu said:
-nods- I can agree with that. But what if you REALLY liked it and then you watched the next season and you felt so disappointed after that....like you know the show has potential, but they just threw it all away...