[VN Spoilers] Steins;Gate 0 VN General Discussion Thread

Mandrake10 said:
I have questions about some possible problems in the Steins;Gate worldline, considering 0-s plot. I don't think there are clear clues about these, so I am asking for sensible theories.

7th-Archangel said:



Hope it helps, you can disagree or agree with it

Mandrake10 said:

Thank you, very interesting!
One more question:

Schala07 said:
I just finished the VN recently, and now I feel like I don't know what to do with my life anymore.

I have to agree with most that the VN left A LOT of open ends and unresolved issues, but it was nevertheless a great experience. Maybe the writers had a hard time since it's a midquel and there are certain set of facts from S;G that they must uphold to be true. There were constraints but the story was still satisfying. It might not have surpassed the original but it lived up to the standards.

We're even lucky because MOST sequels to great stories end up being garbage, but S;G 0 is nowhere near trash though there are some short comings.

Some did not like Twin Automata (as I've read in some reviews) but I found it rather interesting? Very interesting, for that matter. I might read the whole VN for the second time and all of its endings, probably with a pen and paper around so I can jot down notes and connect the dots. how do I move on from this

It's interesting now to see the anime adaptation. I hope it will be as spectacular as the adaptation of the original S;G. It would probably be difficult since, as most mentioned, S;G 0 is not as linear compared to S;G, it would be interesting for everyone.

What happened to the adaptation, anyways? I haven't heard any news (or maybe I was just too busy). I thought it was set to release last year?

artemisxrpg said:
Just beat the game recently but there are somethings I don't get.
[spoiler]Why does the timeline shift whenever Amadeus Kurisu ends up into someone else hands? The past shouldn't have change.

When they were under attack during they New Year party, who was the women in the suit? Yuki or Reyes? If it was Reyes, was it a coincidence that Yuki hurt the same arm that Suzuha kicked?

Why does erasing Kurisu's memory from Kagari's brain cause the timeline to shift?

If what they did were similar to time leaping, it shouldn't have been possible to send her memory to the past as there would have been no way for her past self to receive it.

Even if there was, she still has amnesia after the shift.

Why does eraing Kurisu's memory or hesitating to so have different ending?

In Kagari flashback after the truck scene, was the boy she sat next to Okabe or just some random person?

Why does choosing to pick up or reject Amadeus Kurisu call for help affect the outcome? It should still be in the same person's hand regardless of what happens.

Kurisu sends a D-mail to so Okabe can go back.
Wouldn't that mean they would be detected by Sern?

Why did Amadeus research gets shutdown after the D-mail? Nothing should have change after Kurisu's death that caused people to be complaining about the project.

When choosing to delete Kurisu's memory, why does Okabe ends up in 2036? It was 2011 when before the shift, shouldn't he still have ended up in 2011 after? He doesn't get captured until much later down the timeline.

Is the event in Drama CD beta in a different worldline than the game? I thought this was how the event was suppose to play out before playing the game. While the result were the same, the way it happened were different.

In the true ending, why is Kagari still alive even though she was killed by Moeka?

Did Okabe use the time machine to bring Mayuri and Suzuha from 2011 to 2025?

Agung_Fitriawan said:
In the Milky-way Crossing ending...

again, Kurisu's memory is the same as time machine.

Sorry I can't really recall this, so i need a little clarification.
Which D-mail? which time line? which chapter?
A little tip, In Beta, every little thing can affect a big picture.

Time skip exist in every narrative style.

I don't watch any drama CD yet,
what event are you talking about?
which drama CD are you referring to?

True End wasn't on the same timeline as Mayuri End.

That was what they said/implied.

artemisxrpg said:

It doesn't really explain why it would branch off into different endings depending on what you do though. He still erase Kurisu's memories regardless of what you choose to do.

After Kurisu sends the D-mail to return Okabe to the beta worldline. Some sort of divergence caused Amadeus to shut down before it was made public and as a result, Okabe met Maho at the Radio Building instead of the seminar and never became a tester.

I replayed the scene again and Okabe himself said that he only has memories up to January 2011. Daru said that Okabe initially has memories up to the end of the month so it's more likely that his back up didn't restore everything hence why he doesn't remember.

Look up drama CD Beta on google, basically it's Mayuri and Suzuha returning to the past to ensure Okabe gets slap. It way it played out was completely different from the game. It came out way before S;0 was even announced.

Any idea which worldline the True end by any chance. Atm, I'm assuming it doesn't matter as Okabe may have cross through several worldline in order to reach Steins;Gate.

This raises the question though, what happens to them. The time machine Okabe was in is different than Suzuha in that it has a device that allows him to track other time machine so we can assume that he was able to find them. However, Okabe can't return to 2025 or else he would die and Suzuha has been born by this time already so where does that leave the 2010 Suzuha? Okabe himself said he doesn't plan on returning so he might've chose to stay where he was as he had fulfill his goals at this point. Suzuha would need to go to 2025 since without her, Mayuri won't be able to operate the time machine. However, there is a risk of a time paradox if she and the Suzuha of 2025 see each other so it's unlikely that she would stay for long. She could return to her own time in 2036 but there would be no point in doing that, however, if we take into consideration of the risk of a time paradox it would be possible that she doesn't want to risk jeopardizing everything they have worked to accomplished so far.

This raises the question though, what happens to them. The time machine Okabe was in is different than Suzuha in that it has a device that allows him to track other time machine so we can assume that he was able to find them. However, Okabe can't return to 2025 or else he would die and Suzuha has been born by this time already so where does that leave the 2010 Suzuha? Okabe himself said he doesn't plan on returning so he might've chose to stay where he was as he had fulfill his goals at this point. Suzuha would need to go to 2025 since without her, Mayuri won't be able to operate the time machine. However, there is a risk of a time paradox if she and the Suzuha of 2025 see each other so it's unlikely that she would stay for long. She could return to her own time in 2036 but there would be no point in doing that, however, if we take into consideration of the risk of a time paradox it would be possible that she doesn't want to risk jeopardizing everything they have worked to accomplished so far.

artemisxrpg said:


Well at the end of S;G, Suzuha only disappeared because they successfully changed the outcome. In S;G 0, while they did change things in the past it's simply not big of an impact for the future to change so I doubt Suzuha would simply disappear. If things were that simple, Okabe wouldn't need to go through all this trouble to reach S;G. Regarding Suzuha, they can avoid a time paradox by simply avoid meeting each other just like how Okabe avoid meeting his past self in S;G, however the problem with this is that it only take one little accident to screw things up, I won't deny the possibility though. And as for Kagari, Mayuri haven't adopted her yet in 2025. She's still there because she came in the time machine along with Suzuha and didn't end up like in Mayuri's ending but that's beside the point. The ending is pretty much left up to speculation so unless some evidence that was completely overlooked somehow or they address it in a manga or drama cd, we may never find out the what happens to them. And even if we did, it wouldn't matter since upon reaching S;G, they are overwritten with a new unknown future anyways.

Cactii said:
The thing is, you use Kurisu time-line and Mayuri time line as basic of what suppose to exist in 2025 BUT it isn't.
Existence of Kagari in true end is really important. It tells you that that this world line does not follow those two worldline logic,
Only in Mayuri end that Mayuri jump to the past
Only in Kurisu end that Kagari didn't get plastic surgery and didn't die.
But in true end
Both of conditions exist together.
So

1) In this wordline, chance is Mayuri won't adopt another Kagari
Chance is, Yuki didn't give birth to another shuzuha
Chance is blah blah blah
.
1) And about Shuzuha paradox, Okabe avoid his past self only because his past wasn't suppose to know about him. That one pastself of him needs to have the same experience as him be able to jump to S;G.
Shuzuha is different. (I could be wrong about this though.)
The one that jump to 2010 radio tower probably wasn't shuzuha from true end wordline.
It's the mission of other worldline shuzuha
(Like Kurisu-Okabe mission is to send D-rine, Mayuri-Okabe is to set up the path, Original-Okabe is to use all that and arrive at S;G) same person, different mission.
If that is the case there's no reason for Shuzuha to avoid her younger self.

2) They could have lie about her being this or that.

3) plastic surgery

4) If you they hide Okabe from the world for 10 years, they can hide shuzuha too.

artemisxrpg said:


I wouldn't say I'm using the basis of Kurisu and Mayuri ending. In order to reach S;G, Okabe may have cross through several more worldline that was not shown. You can't deny the possibility that worldline in the True end which involves Mayuri jumping to the past and Kagari didn't end up being mind control by Leskinen and therefore never had plastic surgery. Also, there are other endings in which Kagari didn't get plastic surgery beside the Kurisu ending. Whether or not that's important is another subject but I just wanted to point that out.

1. Knowing Mayuri and how she is, she would still adopt Kagari even if she knows that they will be overwritten anyways. But then this would mean there are now two Kagari when this time comes, but I'll leave that for later. Also in the true end, the young Suzuha was stated to be hiding behind Yuki when they were recording the videos to be sent so Yuki did in fact give birth to Suzuha. If she didn't, there would be no Suzuha to travel back from 2036 to 2010 in the true end of S;G.

2.If this was true, all he needed was a disguise so his past self wouldn't recognize him. Like a hat and a mask. to avoid his past self, so long as he keep some distance or just turn his back toward his past self it would be hard for him to be recognized. Also, in this wordline it was never stated if Okabe was hiding for 10 years or anything like that. For all we know, he might never come back at all. As for Suzuha, while it is possible that she also hid herself there is no proof that she did so just as there are no proof that she didn't. It's all left up to speculation as I've said before.

Now regarding time paradox, when Okabe made his first attempt to save Kurisu, Suzuha only said that he can't let his past self see him. If his past self simply wasn't suppose to know about him, they could be more flexible and use a disguise which would make it easier for him to move around. It's no uncommon in Japan to wear a mask if you're sick to prevent it from spreading so he could've simply done that along with a hat covering most of his face, his past self wouldn't have even paid attention. The fact that Suzuha didn't suggest that he should've done that probably means that it wouldn't work. As for the issues of have two Suzuha and Kagari, if Suzuha hides herself in the rift of time like Okabe it wouldn't be too far fetched for Kagari to come along with her to avoid the issue either.

But again, that's just speculation.

Cactii said:

Ah, i didn't remember about young shuzuha hiding behind Yuki. My bad for this one then.
Ok move on to the next possibility

But his past self never saw anyone other than Kurisu at radio tower stair, Even if okabe disguise so his past self wouldn't notice, The existence of another person here itself already contradicted with okabe past memories, thus he need to avoid his past self.
asking for proof of shuzuha hide herself or not here is a fallacy. reverse unfalsibility fallacy i guess.
Yes, there was no mention that Okabe will be hiding for 10 years in True End timeline but that wasn't the point. The point is they(DARU) have the ability to hide them.( either it's okabe or shuzuha)

Another possibility is, even if they don't want to hide Shuzuha, they can just get her a plastic surgery and fabric her background as someone else so the young shuzuha wouldn't know.

If you looking for solid proof then i don't think you get the theme of S;G0 yet, it was never meant to explain itself.
unlike S;G, S;G 0 doesn't move the puzzle pieces into one pictures for us. It gives us the puzzle pieces and let us move it ourselves. That is part of its charm.
Think of S;G worldline, do they know for sure, do they have any proof that the timeline did exist?
do they know for sure that there won't be any world war?
do they know for sure that all of them will survive?
do they know for sure that it will be peace for them?
No, they don't. Okabe said that himself.
they only have theories to back them up. that is the theme of s;g 0.
It conveys that message for us through story and narrative structure.
speculation does not come from nothing. reaching the most probable explanation for all event based on all puzzle piece is our role as reader.
It doesnt need solid proof, in fact, that would only defy its own theme. defy the nature of S;G 0 itself.
S;G 0 wouldn't be as beautiful if it wasn't for this.


Add to what i've already said, IF his past self paid attention, IF it's contradicted with his past memories then everything will be ruined. There more you disguise yourself, the odder you will get, the more you will get attention, the more you will be remembered by someone.

That is the theme of S;G0 and as well as the nature of S;G worldline itself.


From the look of it I think you already cleared your doubts. just that you expected it to explain everything explicitly like S;G so you're not satisfied enough.
Good luck.

DarthBob said:
I finished the VN a while back and the only real question I have is about the true end. It takes place in 2025, yet Kagari is shown as an adult... but Kagari was supposed to be a child in 2036. Is it that the Kagari who went back to the past survived as was part of the group? If so, doesn't that directly contradict her death at the end of the Mayuri route? Actually, building on that, does the Mayuri route even lead to the True end?

Cactii said:
True Edning is not on the same worldline as Mayuri Ending worldline, to arrive at true ending, they must have done countless of experiments, it would only be odd if it was still on the same worldline.

DarthBob said:

That makes sense, but it doesn't really explain Kagairi's appearance...

Cactii said:
why can't "true end is on different worldine" explain Kagari's appearance?
Or more like why does her appearance need an explanation when true end that she exists does not even follow by the worldline which she died at rooftop?
You know if you can accept a steins gate worldline where everyone exist together, I can't see why it is hard to accept a worldline where everyone except Kurisu exist, not to mention it should be the closest worldline to steins gate worldline.

DarthBob said:

My issue is this:
Kagari should either not exist or be an infant in 2025.
If it was the Kagari that had traveled to the past that appears here, then what happened to the extensive plastic surgery that she had undergone?
Actually, extending on that, who the heck was the 'Kagari' in Recursive Mother Goose? The actual Kagari or a fake? The whole Kagari issue is rather confusing.

If it was the Kagari that had traveled to the past that appears here, then what happened to the extensive plastic surgery that she had undergone?

Kagari should either not exist or be an infant in 2025.

Cactii said:

'Kagari' in Recursive Mother Goose' is the real one.
In Maho, Kagari and "Kurisu" routes, she manages to escape the Professor's brainwashing before the final step and is normal Kagari.

In Bad End and Mayuri route, the Professor completes his brainwashing and has her undergo plastic surgery to impersonate Amane Yuki. The real Yuki is sent to Europe while Kagari infiltrates the Lab.

DarthBob said:

This cleared up most of my doubts. In essence, the Amane Yuki in Maho, Kagari and [Kurisu] routes is the real one, and wasn't actually related to any of the incidents, right? Thanks for the clarification.

ingo505 said:
Anybody else here felt like the game might have been rushed and/or unfinished? Considering the DramaCD's that were released BEFORE the game( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-NMIoQMACU and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDMd6_Y9Q8w) and some promotional art and art that are included in the in-game CG gallery but not used in the game itself (examples: https://c5.staticflickr.com/6/5675/29937089404_9aa4cc5d83_z.jpg and http://i2.wp.com/haruhichan.com/wpblog/wp-content/uploads/SteinsGate-0-game-visual-1.jpg), it feels to me that more likely than not, that was the case.

I might be stretching here or I might just be my wishful thinking, but I think originally, there was a major plot point near the end of the game, or even the True route, revolving around Okabe and Amadeus/Kurisu, but it was removed due to time and/or budget constraints.
Which is sad, because Amadeus played quite a large part in the game, but it never actually went anywhere in the game and all the resolutions of plot points concerning her felt kind of half assed to me.
What do you think?

PeacefulWard said:


It's highly possible they rushed it, or cut some parts out, they might have even scrapped entire routes; and I hope that's the case (rather than them just being lazy, or unskilled)... The promotional art is really intriguing, I'd love to know where they were going with it!

OneTrueEmiya said:

Ah you're right, rip girls' sleepover ;__;

So it'd just be: