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OverkilledRed said: Let's go with "it attacks anyone who ask about Kira". If he wrote a note for no one in particular and somehow someone find it, think it's suspicious and get the police to do some sort of investigation, they would ask Hayato about it, then die and loop. He could try to tell anyone, but ultimately no one would believe 100% and everything would go the same way. It works 1) If he tells something about his identity (probably from "my dad real name is Kira" to "my dad is not who he seems") 2) If he writes something about his identity (and probably records an audio tape, or a video, or whatever) 3) If anybody asks him something about Kira/his dad.   The problem is not that there is no solution, the problem is that Jotaro and company are coming to him to ask questions on his father RIGHT NOW. |
YggdrasilTMDec 2, 2016 5:50 PM
YggdrasilTM said: OverkilledRed said: Let's go with "it attacks anyone who ask about Kira". If he wrote a note for no one in particular and somehow someone find it, think it's suspicious and get the police to do some sort of investigation, they would ask Hayato about it, then die and loop. He could try to tell anyone, but ultimately no one would believe 100% and everything would go the same way. It works 1) If he tell something about his identity (probably from "my dad real name is Kira" to "my dad is not who he seems") 2) If he write something about his identity (and probably record an audio tape, or a video, or whatever) 3) If anybody ask him something about Kira/his dad. I'm going with the anime explanation, which is more close to the original. He says 'it will activate if anyone tries to get close to Hayato in order to find me. By the context, "write it" means trying to write as a response to any question made by the person or just a way to reveal about his identity. |
| Honestly, the change in the opening didn't surprised me that much, since I already thought on it after hearing the full version of Great Days. It maybe hasn't been as surprising as Dio's appearence in SC 2 opening, since a lot of people were expecting that, but it was still great and satisfying. Gotta love the dedication the studio uses in it openings. About the episode itself, I never felt that intensity in an anime episode in a while. It was thrilling and full of despair and sadness. Bite the Dust is also more OP of what it seemed at first (it not only can rewind time, but makes the things who happened in the loop repeat again and again). The (repeated) death of Rohan was sad, but the rest kicking the bucket too was unexpected, I never thought they would actually die. Lucky thing Bite the Dust wasn't removed... I also declare myself a fan of Hayato. That kid has balls of steel. Not only he is only 11 and doesn't has any qualms on killing himself to save a bunch of strangers, but he goes as far as trying to kill the serial killer who murdered his father and other innocent people just to protect his mother. All of that while not being an Stand user himself. Fucking respect. Rina Satou's voice acting was also on point. The sheer despair and impotence of Hayato for not being able to stop Kira really moved me. Also love how the new opening shows Hayato's determination to stop Kira. Really great detail.  The ending made me hanging from the edge of my seat. Such cliffhanger, man. Also, Kira was a complete dick in this episode, and I totally loved it. |
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| THE OP DID THE THING, THE THING but in true Diamond is Unbreakable fashion it was a huge letdown, the part 3 OP edit remains the king of the jojo op's |
StefanHereDec 2, 2016 8:12 PM
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SilverDio said: This is the real explanation of Bite the Dust abilities: IT JUST WORKS, DAMMIT!! End of Discussion. Aw man was gonna save that for part 5 |
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| Holy shit this demonskull guy is retarded af BtD will trigger if hayato is asked or revealed kira's identity Be it writing it down or in any form of communication. On topic, this is the best jojo eps to date. That op damn |
SlowDancerDec 2, 2016 8:05 PM
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| The OP, DP delivered! Could have been better though, tbh. I love how Bite the Dust protected Hayato from that punch. |
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| Just signed up on this forum however I've been a lurker for 1 year. This episode was brilliant, the concept kinda reminds me of video games when the player loses over and over again eventually the player will have to find a new approach in defeating the enemies(Sub-boss, Main boss) |
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| That OP change was a complete monster- even better than what they did with DIO in SDC. I feel really sorry for Rohan though- I get that Josuke and Co. are now also stuck in the dreaded loop of death but going by what Kira was saying, Rohan's been brown bread four damn times already!! I'm just really curious as to how they're gonna learn about Kira's identity and how they're actually gonna kill him. I mean, if he gets deathly injured by some outside force to the point where he physically can't keep up Bites the Dust (and that happens before everyone gets killed) then they'd probably have a chance, but I'm not even sure about that or anything else tbh? Or maybe if Hayato just told them about everything and then Jotaro could stop time & Josuke could rapidly heal him when it starts up...ofc Hayato has no idea that Jotaro can stop time or the extent of Josuke's Stand abilities. It's not like they have a lot of time to play with now though since Kira could just deactivate BTD and have everyone's deaths cemented. This episode stressed me out, my god. Anyways, only 3 eps left (nooooo) and Crazy Diamond is Unbreakable starts next wk, so I'm guessing Josuke is the key...pretty sure they'll be fine as soon as he realizes what is actually going on! |
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RedRoseFring said: Geez. This has certainly got me engrossed beyond what I expected. I feel I may breakdown if this level of quality continues. What a magnificent bastard! Hmm?? I thought you were going to binge this after it concluded, but you're here already |
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Drake1000 said: Ahaha that op ! Good to see that David Production still has a soul, I began to doubt they'd pull it off with the lazy animation throughout Part 4 but now I'm sure they'll do a special op for Golden Wind as well. Otherwise nothing much to say, well adapted episode, the tension was handled well and I like the fact that Hayato went in for the finishing blow, dumbasses in other series wouldn't even make sure their enemy is truly dead, that always triggers me.  Shining D? What is this, Hisoka? The fuck is this title? it's called Crazy Diamond is Unbreakable. SCHWINGING D Tbh though I thought the exact same thing...the fact that they put diamond in brackets next to it is also baffling. |
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| Awesome OP. I'm not too hyped for this last arc though. I don't like how Kira doesn't have any memories of the time loops, but Hayato does. It's just something the author did so Kira could have a weakness. |
| Can someone explain why Kira never killed the cat plant? It would seem to me that someone as cautious as Kira wouldn't take a chance in keeping such a dangerous plant alive, considering how it could be used against him later on. This seems like a pretty serious plot hole to me at this point... |
Perrin4869Dec 3, 2016 1:28 AM
Perrin4869 said: Can someone explain why Kira never killed the cat plant? It would seem to me that someone as cautious as Kira wouldn't take a chance in keeping such a dangerous plant alive, considering how it could be used against him later on. This seems like a pretty serious plot hole to me at this point... i believe he planned on using it again, im not sure he ever mentioned anything about that prior though |
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Shigure said: Awesome OP. I'm not too hyped for this last arc though. I don't like how Kira doesn't have any memories of the time loops, but Hayato does. It's just something the author did so Kira could have a weakness. How come? It's an automatic Stand who lives inside of another host. It's fair enough that he doesn't remember seeing how it activates without Kira's input. |
Rehls said: I texted someone saying that there's merit to be had in this 'way of doing this', by making be possible what normally wouldn't be, when having a power mechanic that's more structured (and thus, more limited)... Eh. But it's just that I don't feel like these Stands' powers are very creative and/or original, which is where the merit would be- if they were, they'd potentially create some really (that I'd consider) interesting events... But these events happening in the show I don't think are... They're pretty simple to me. Pretty common. It's anything like Okuyasu's brother having that Stand of mini soldiers, that were hidden then started shooting... Jousuke during that confront using the missile against him... Jousuke using those bullets against the rat Stand user. That mini tank ability of Kira being attracted to heat... So many events that I find aren't very creative. It's something that we could without much difficult imagine. It's possible that in most of these events, Stands wouldn't even be necessary to recreate them. So then, what's the point? It's just that I think more could've been done with these Stand powers--that they had more potential, that was wasted. ... Perhaps this Stand power would work well in a fantasy setting, hm. Yeah... Difference in perspective I suppose, I've always felt that Stands for the most part are creative in the way they're used. A good example would be how each Act of Echoes can weaponise words and sound effects in a different ways, a simple concept but fun and creative in execution. The "lack of originality" is an age issue more than anything else. The manga ran between 1992-1995 after all, so of course it'd seem that way to a modern audience. Consider that popular series such as One Piece and HunterxHunter took heavy influence from Stand powers for Devil Fruits and Nen in how their powers would operate and refined/reworked it to be more "original" and you can see it's more of a codifier of how things should be done 😉. Shigure said: Awesome OP. I'm not too hyped for this last arc though. I don't like how Kira doesn't have any memories of the time loops, but Hayato does. It's just something the author did so Kira could have a weakness. If Kira could remember everything from every time loop then there'd be no way for the heroes to win. He'd be a serial killer version of Phil Connors who could make your face go boom practically on demand. |
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demonskul777 said: LOL hayato can literally rewrite fate by killing someone before 8:30 either way. this is so dumb GoldenDevilGamer said: Well, it's sad that you're not enjoying it like most people. But the majority's liking this time-loop structure, and it makes the final arc feel more than just a simple fight between who's stronger, but it's a fight about who's smarter. I would be enjoying this if the writing was not god-awfully flawed. Well ignoring the sour pussness of @demonskul777... This was a great episode and once again JoJo alter the opening which was just great to watch...Onwards to the end and I cant help ut ask myself how the FLIP are they gonna get out of this one?! |
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SlowDancer said: Holy shit this demonskull guy is retarded af BtD will trigger if hayato is asked or revealed kira's identity Be it writing it down or in any form of communication. On topic, this is the best jojo eps to date. That op damn You misspell my name and call me retarded, also great rebuttal this has been discussed and I locked the other party in not being able to counter me. "revealed kira's identity" is a very abstract concept, and Araki can use it however he wants. According to you Hayato can simply show "that guy is not my dad, he's a murdererer". Does this reveal Kira's identity, no. it requires deductive skills to assume that that guy would be Kira. However this is not the case, meaning that the stand reacts to much more abstract situations than simply explicitly revealing Kira's identity, meaning that it should not have worked the way it did. But I guess you're literally too dumb to conceptualise or even think about what this stand can do and is capable and much like others before you are unwilling to accept that Araki just does whatever is easiest for him to write, without looking into the actual king of the stand. HueyLion said: demonskul777 said: LOL hayato can literally rewrite fate by killing someone before 8:30 either way. this is so dumb I would be enjoying this if the writing was not god-awfully flawed. Well ignoring the sour pussness of @demonskul777... This was a great episode and once again JoJo alter the opening which was just great to watch...Onwards to the end and I cant help ut ask myself how the FLIP are they gonna get out of this one?! Listen I can write a lot more as to why part 4 is honestly terrible and why Jojo has been average up 'till now, but you wouldn't accept it because you're a mindless fanboy, who apperently can't accept that I dislike this and have a basis for disliking it. I'm not complaining about these people liking this. However people feel the need to judge me for my opinions and whenever I defend them they are just like "just accept the story for what it is lol", which is no argument. Honestly I wouldn't have claimed the thread like this if people like you didn't bother to try and tell me I'm wrong. I'm just defending my opinions and you guys then complain about it, as if I should just have gone "oh god you're right, this story is great lololol" Perrin4869 said: Can someone explain why Kira never killed the cat plant? It would seem to me that someone as cautious as Kira wouldn't take a chance in keeping such a dangerous plant alive, considering how it could be used against him later on. This seems like a pretty serious plot hole to me at this point... Kira was interested in the plant. How could it remain a stand user after death? What is it exactly? Nothing much more + he didn't see much of a reason to kill it, as he wouldn't have assumed it to be used against him. Rather he could still use it against others - which was the most likely situation, he didn't really expect Hayato to go/come back up there. Volthoom said: Why did I get two alerts saying people quoted me, yet only one person quoted me? Edited my message, then it gives you a new notification galimx said: Arguing for already 2 days why JoJo "writing" is not that good. Everyone knows that Araki is not the best writer out there. Doesnt make JoJo any less enjoyable. Better do some more productive work than complain about random cartoons on internet. No, apparently these people don't and desperately try to prove me wrong. YTFry91 said: quote=demonskul777 message=48801659] Yeah, really I'm an idiot for complaining about bad writing in a story, you got me. *finger snap* The point is, part 4 tries to take itself serious in oppposition to the previous parts that did convenient things. Part 1 was standard action with the Hamon ability, not too many conveniences to complain about there, Part 2 was more intended to really be more idiotic than anything (although I agree it suffers from some of the same issues as part 4). Part 3 introduces stands as simple powers, without much need of an explanation. Their powers work, and that's all they have to do. They aren't abstract enough for them to contradict their explanation. However part 4 tries to give us a serious murderer chase, and an intriguing story line. instead it throws a stand of the week scenario that doesn't make sense, but I explained that somewhere once, probably and don't feel like delving into it in this thread. And it keeps trying to stretch a story and give us pseudo-clever scenarios, in which the characters generally depend more on luck or nonsensical explanations. Part 3 had it's own share of nonsense, but usually, again, they just worked. Here they don't, but I'd have to go specifically delve into looking for examples again, to do so, and that would take some time so I won't. I don't want to share any wrong information either, so a half-assed explanation of situations won't do. I could go on as to explain why the next parts are much higher in my book but 1: you don't care and 2: me discussing those are for later No I'm saying that what the stand does, does not make sense other than "Araki wants this to be so". It's not poorly explained, it's poorly made. Period. You don't like part four? Did not need three paragraphs to figure that much out buddy. lol You can give other parts free passes for bs but not part four. That baffles me but whatever. I don't though. The point is that Bites the Dust does not work correctly, just like a lot of stands in Part 4, where stands didn't behave like they were supposed to, nor how stands were introduced. I can go into detail but galimx is going to complain at me that I should stop complaining because they don't want me to explain to people as to why it's bad. In the other parts the stands generally don't break their own rules, they either need to introduce rules still (part 3) or work correctly (next parts). Even if they are bullshit, they did not break their rules, nor allowed araki to do whatever. |
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demonskul777 said: moodie said: i find it odd and funny how ppl with the least anime watched are complaining about bad writing while ppl who watched a good amount of anime understand its well. You're literally implying that people who have watched fewer anime have no idea what makes for good story-telling and also that part IV's story is objectively "good". I would have honestly ignored you if you hadn't used the word understand. lol, I'm thinking the same thing as you...Like this guy can't be serious with such a dumb comment about a correlation between the amount of anime watched to understanding good plot. This part of Jojo just continues to fail. The opening was terrible, not as cool are cohesive are well executed as Dio time stop. Kira is saved by a watch in the overplayed non creative pocket protectors trope. Bites the dust is already terribly written and so is this part. I know it gets worse cause in order to beat Kira it's going to take some BS. I'm so disappointed in this part , can't believe its argued as the best. It has potential for it , but it's squandered by Araki poor writing and upgrades jsut to add tension. |
Animayham said: demonskul777 said: You're literally implying that people who have watched fewer anime have no idea what makes for good story-telling and also that part IV's story is objectively "good". I would have honestly ignored you if you hadn't used the word understand. lol, I'm thinking the same thing as you...Like this guy can't be serious with such a dumb comment about a correlation between the amount of anime watched to understanding good plot. This part of Jojo just continues to fail. The opening was terrible, not as cool are cohesive are well executed as Dio time stop. Kira is saved by a watch in the overplayed non creative pocket protectors trope. Bites the dust is already terribly written and so is this part. I know it gets worse cause in order to beat Kira it's going to take some BS. I'm so disappointed in this part , can't believe its argued as the best. It has potential for it , but it's squandered by Araki poor writing and upgrades jsut to add tension. I agree on the writing (obviously xD), but I did like the second version of the OP, although it does a worse job at explaining Bites the Dust than the first version, so it's kind of counterproductive. It's just that I like distorted shit, the rythm at least adds up with the imagery for this one. it didn't really do so before and the song is a lot more interesting to listen to. But that's just me preferring the style. Content-wise the first one was better. Eh, well, I'm a little biased anyway since I never liked the manga for part 4, but I just decided to sit this one through, since I do like jojo starting from part 5/6. And considering everyone is liking this one (in the west at least), we'll have a big chance to see those. Although I doubt part 7 will ever get an anime. (considering the change in content and maturity, although I'd love to see the face-sitting animated ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)) |
demonskul777 said: You misspell my name and call me retarded, also great rebuttal this has been discussed and I locked the other party in not being able to counter me. "revealed kira's identity" is a very abstract concept, and Araki can use it however he wants. According to you Hayato can simply show "that guy is not my dad, he's a murdererer". Does this reveal Kira's identity, no. it requires deductive skills to assume that that guy would be Kira. However this is not the case, meaning that the stand reacts to much more abstract situations than simply explicitly revealing Kira's identity, meaning that it should not have worked the way it did. But I guess you're literally too dumb to conceptualise or even think about what this stand can do and is capable and much like others before you are unwilling to accept that Araki just does whatever is easiest for him to write, without looking into the actual king of the stand. L-lol? Hayato: "This guy is not my dad! He's a murderer!" The gang: "What? What did he do?" Hayato: "He make people disappear in an instant!" The gang: "holy shit it's kira! Who could'v-- wait what's killer queen doing on my eye?" *booom* Lmao einstein |
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SlowDancer said: demonskul777 said: You misspell my name and call me retarded, also great rebuttal this has been discussed and I locked the other party in not being able to counter me. "revealed kira's identity" is a very abstract concept, and Araki can use it however he wants. According to you Hayato can simply show "that guy is not my dad, he's a murdererer". Does this reveal Kira's identity, no. it requires deductive skills to assume that that guy would be Kira. However this is not the case, meaning that the stand reacts to much more abstract situations than simply explicitly revealing Kira's identity, meaning that it should not have worked the way it did. But I guess you're literally too dumb to conceptualise or even think about what this stand can do and is capable and much like others before you are unwilling to accept that Araki just does whatever is easiest for him to write, without looking into the actual king of the stand. L-lol? Hayato: "This guy is not my dad! He's a murderer!" The gang: "What? What did he do?" Hayato: "He make people disappear in an instant!" The gang: "holy shit it's kira! Who could'v-- wait what's killer queen doing on my eye?" *booom* Lmao einstein I mean, that's my point though. Like you completely misread my post if you though I was supporting that situation, as I was telling you that Kira is either much more powerful and the story is wrong, or Kira is very weak and the story is wrong. |
demonskul777 said: L-lol? Hayato: "This guy is not my dad! He's a murderer!" The gang: "What? What did he do?" Hayato: "He make people disappear in an instant!" The gang: "holy shit it's kira! Who could'v-- wait what's killer queen doing on my eye?" *booom* Lmao einstein I mean, that's my point though. |
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ReaperCreeper said: I love how Bite the Dust protected Hayato from that punch. To be fair, Bites the Dust was created in the first place BECAUSE Kira attacked Hayato. |
demonskul777 said: SlowDancer said: L-lol? Hayato: "This guy is not my dad! He's a murderer!" The gang: "What? What did he do?" Hayato: "He make people disappear in an instant!" The gang: "holy shit it's kira! Who could'v-- wait what's killer queen doing on my eye?" *booom* Lmao einstein I mean, that's my point though. Like you completely misread my post if you though I was supporting that situation, as I was telling you that Kira is either much more powerful and the story is wrong, or Kira is very weak and the story is wrong. Nah. |
It's not, because in that case Bites the Dust wouldn't activate with Heaven's Door. Hayato doesn't tell Rohan anything, Rohan reads it from a visualisation from the mind that he himself has created. It's not Hayato that tells anything, no one asks Hayato anything, Rohan just reads Hayato's memory. Araki uses BtD at will, whenever it profits his story-telling without taking logic into consideration. It works because it works, but that's no explanation. OverkilledRed said: demonskul777 said: I mean, that's my point though. Like you completely misread my post if you though I was supporting that situation, as I was telling you that Kira is either much more powerful and the story is wrong, or Kira is very weak and the story is wrong. Nah. I'm just saying that Araki can and does activate Bites the Dust simply because it profits tension. Point is: the kid trying to kill himself and the cast seeing kira's stand killed them. Only then they were killed, not when they were asking questions about Kira. Hayato didn't tell anything, rather he constructed a situation in which they see Kira's stand. That's the exact same with him leading everyone to where Kira is, and them discovering that with Hayato around. |
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demonskul777 said: It's not, because in that case Bites the Dust wouldn't activate with Heaven's Door. Hayato doesn't tell Rohan anything, Rohan reads it from a visualisation from the mind that he himself has created. It's not Hayato that tells anything, no one asks Hayato anything, Rohan just reads Hayato's memory. Araki uses BtD at will, whenever it profits his story-telling without taking logic into consideration. It works because it works, but that's no explanation. But it's because it's written down and through hayato that rohan knew. To put it simply, hayato in any way (conscious or not) cannot tell people about kira's identity. All the previous time loop occurs because hayato revealed kira's identity in some way(#1 through HD, #2 through suicide attempt) the last loop is cancelled because kira himself revealed his identity. I mean i'd be okay to explain this to animeonly people, but to think you've read the manga but still confused at btd smh |
SlowDancerDec 3, 2016 8:32 AM
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SlowDancer said: demonskul777 said: It's not, because in that case Bites the Dust wouldn't activate with Heaven's Door. Hayato doesn't tell Rohan anything, Rohan reads it from a visualisation from the mind that he himself has created. It's not Hayato that tells anything, no one asks Hayato anything, Rohan just reads Hayato's memory. Araki uses BtD at will, whenever it profits his story-telling without taking logic into consideration. It works because it works, but that's no explanation. But it's because it's written down and through hayato that rohan knew. I mean i'd be okay to explain this to animeonly people, but to think you've read the manga but still confused at btd smh "Kira is revealed through Hayato" is literally the situation we're talking about and you're saying wouldn't work in one situation but would in the other. But we're talking in circles here. I'm not confused about the stand, I'm just saying that Araki activates it whenever the story profits it and trying to exlpain to you as to why. |
demonskul777 said: SlowDancer said: But it's because it's written down and through hayato that rohan knew. I mean i'd be okay to explain this to animeonly people, but to think you've read the manga but still confused at btd smh "Kira is revealed through Hayato" is literally the situation we're talking about and you're saying wouldn't work in one situation but would in the other. But we're talking in circles here. I'm not confused about the stand, I'm just saying that Araki activates it whenever the story profits it and trying to exlpain to you as to why. Okay i got it. so the problem here is not "directly or indirectly" but "consciously or uncosciously". To put it simply, hayato in any way (conscious or not) cannot tell people about kira's identity. All the previous time loop occurs because hayato revealed kira's identity in some way(#1 through HD, #2 through suicide attempt) |
SlowDancerDec 3, 2016 8:41 AM
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demonskul777 said: It's not, because in that case Bites the Dust wouldn't activate with Heaven's Door. Hayato doesn't tell Rohan anything, Rohan reads it from a visualisation from the mind that he himself has created. It's not Hayato that tells anything, no one asks Hayato anything, Rohan just reads Hayato's memory. Araki uses BtD at will, whenever it profits his story-telling without taking logic into consideration. It works because it works, but that's no explanation. I'm just saying that Araki can and does activate Bites the Dust simply because it profits tension. Point is: the kid trying to kill himself and the cast seeing kira's stand killed them. Only then they were killed, not when they were asking questions about Kira. Hayato didn't tell anything, rather he constructed a situation in which they see Kira's stand. That's the exact same with him leading everyone to where Kira is, and them discovering that with Hayato around. He doesn't have to respond anything. Like I said, he created a situation where his action (his death) would certainly lead to Kira. |
SlowDancer said: demonskul777 said: "Kira is revealed through Hayato" is literally the situation we're talking about and you're saying wouldn't work in one situation but would in the other. But we're talking in circles here. I'm not confused about the stand, I'm just saying that Araki activates it whenever the story profits it and trying to exlpain to you as to why. Okay i got it. so the problem here is not "directly or indirectly" but "consciously or uncosciously". To put it simply, hayato in any way (conscious or not) cannot tell people about kira's identity. All the previous time loop occurs because hayato revealed kira's identity in some way(#1 through HD, #2 through suicide attempt) I can see where you're coming from, though I'd still have to argue that the scenario is a direct cause of Hayato's actions. Well, honestly I don't really care that much about this subject --' this isn't even the reason I dislike part 4 since the story with Kira is the best part with it. I was just kinda gettign overdefensive since people were so agressive to me disliking this. |
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ShigyC said: RedRoseFring said: Geez. This has certainly got me engrossed beyond what I expected. I feel I may breakdown if this level of quality continues. What a magnificent bastard! Hmm?? I thought you were going to binge this after it concluded, but you're here already I was, but I had close to nothing else to watch. I decided to marathon it when there were only 6 episodes left because I thought that would be bearable. Of course it would be the ending arc with all the cliffhangers I end up in. @gedata, I tried to hold out, but I couldn't. I'm still enjoying it as is though. |
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demonskul777 said: Aka you dislike it and feel the need to tell ppl why even though you were proven wrong. But using fallacies and strawmen to drive an argument didn't work out.SlowDancer said: Okay i got it. so the problem here is not "directly or indirectly" but "consciously or uncosciously". To put it simply, hayato in any way (conscious or not) cannot tell people about kira's identity. All the previous time loop occurs because hayato revealed kira's identity in some way(#1 through HD, #2 through suicide attempt) I can see where you're coming from, though I'd still have to argue that the scenario is a direct cause of Hayato's actions. Well, honestly I don't really care that much about this subject --' this isn't even the reason I dislike part 4 since the story with Kira is the best part with it. I was just kinda gettign overdefensive since people were so agressive to me disliking this. Reading this thread was hilarious. Im surprised ppl leap to grab a conclusion. I gotta thank you tho it was entertaining. |
moodie said: demonskul777 said: Aka you dislike it and feel the need to tell ppl why even though you were proven wrong. But using fallacies and strawmen to drive an argument didn't work out.I can see where you're coming from, though I'd still have to argue that the scenario is a direct cause of Hayato's actions. Well, honestly I don't really care that much about this subject --' this isn't even the reason I dislike part 4 since the story with Kira is the best part with it. I was just kinda gettign overdefensive since people were so agressive to me disliking this. Reading this thread was hilarious. Im surprised ppl leap to grab a conclusion. I gotta thank you tho it was entertaining. I go to the episode discussion to share my opinion and people attacked me for having one. And my point literally still stands so i don't see what you're saying. |
demonskul777 said: moodie said: Aka you dislike it and feel the need to tell ppl why even though you were proven wrong. But using fallacies and strawmen to drive an argument didn't work out. Reading this thread was hilarious. Im surprised ppl leap to grab a conclusion. I gotta thank you tho it was entertaining. I go to the episode discussion to share my opinion and people attacked me for having one. And my point literally still stands so i don't see what you're saying. um sorry to say, but from what i saw the previous page, people "attack" you because you had a vague understanding of btd like there's that guy in this thread who said that this arc is pretty average but nobody "attack" him because that's his opinion. you on the other hand... |
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demonskul777 said: moodie said: Aka you dislike it and feel the need to tell ppl why even though you were proven wrong. But using fallacies and strawmen to drive an argument didn't work out. Reading this thread was hilarious. Im surprised ppl leap to grab a conclusion. I gotta thank you tho it was entertaining. I go to the episode discussion to share my opinion and people attacked me for having one. And my point literally still stands so i don't see what you're saying. You're free to have an opinion, but other people are also free to have an opinion on your opinion. I feel like you're not very clear on what the exactly problem is with bites the dust. The simple fact is: if Hayato himself reveals Kira or someone else tries to get information off him regarding Kira BtD will activate. The person will explode, time will reset and that person is fated to die. But if Hayato influnces Kira to reveal the truth, it's Kira who does the act of revealing. That's a very small difference but also a very importand one. Is there anything you don't get about this explaination? |
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| @Sirofcoffee again, with that explanation the cast shouldn't have died from the hayato trying to kill himself. They didn't ask anything and Hayato didn't tell anything/reveal anything, they simply saw btd working, with Hayato being present. |
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