Mobile Suit Gundam: The Origin Episode 4 Discussion
Nov 19, 2016 3:16 AM
THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
Freaking Lalah Musume lool, at least she's less annoying this early on. Origin was nice, though eps 3 and 4 were a bit too political and not as personal as eps 1 and 2. Episode 4 was especially dry - I hope they make a better edit for the BR. If you want to get another perspective on the years right before and slightly after 0079 I highly recommend IGLOO. It's more technical and on grounds and it also shows the rivalry between Anaheim and Zeonic, the development of prototypes, etc.
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That was good but so far I think the 4th movie is the weakest (maybe since it doesn't focus as much on Char's character like the other movies). I thought this would be the last movie and it isnt a good place to end the movies. Then I see on ANN it is announced that there will be anime adaptation of Loum arc and the birth of Red comet.
I'm glad this isn't the end but waiting 1 year is harsh T_T. Btw is it a separate entry or still origin instalment? MAL still listed Origin series with 4 episodes though.
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It seemed good overall. I found the Lalah and the development parts different than the manga without finding why (I should check my book, but if someone has an answer, please write it)
Seeing Yasuhiko's beautiful Amuro and Fraw on screen make me wish for more OAVs later, following the White Base (too bad Bright's voice is dead since a few years now)
Also, what is this RCX-77?? Does BANDAI really need to produce new Gunpla this much? This animation is an OAV series, it shouldn't have to create more new models and diverge from the manga's tweaks and everything to make money (besides, the manga itself proposed enough variations and upgraded looks like how the Gundam gradually "evolves" throughout the story).
4/5 I had totally forgotten the falling heads.
@RayAdha What is this 1000 balls war? (something to do with the Federation spheric mini-space ships?)
Amuro is a bit more likeable than in the 0079 original series and in the manga.
In this OAV, he is depicted as the "technology enthusiast" he was supposed to be back in the series (despite the lack of description back then), but in a stronger way. And the manga "The Origin" has the exact same asocial version of Amuro.
What did you see here to find the animated Amuro more likable than in Yasuhiko's manga?
@Raichi_ I see. I didn't understand this at all. ^^"
I considered that part of the behaviours/reactions people blame him for came from the lack of parental education or his resulting reclusive nature.
PS: all my excuses, I lack objectivity here, I simply loved the character despite how mad he could make me. ^^" (started 0079 with the manga by the way)
@drokstar The asocial Amuro, here, is not "mean". He has simply not enough consideration for the outside. Less than a simple AI ^^" (it would be very funny, if The Origin didn't remove Amuro's paternity for Haro).
But we see he understands when Fraw confronts him and isn't totally impenetrable. (I think)
Sayla is a very young child, and there are circumstances like you said. (but again, I could tell there are circumstances for Amuro's behaviour) Plus The Origin actually made good use of her, promoting her to main (during the retelling part, especially the sometimes disliked A Baoa Qu version of Yasuhiko).
Fraw? Where is Fraw's strangeness compared to the 80s one?
Lalah Sune: mh? Do you mean that she should not have been "rescued" because it portrays her as a weak young girl (not sure of her age in the Origin timeline) ? Where is the contradiction between "this" Lalah and the one we know through a few scenes in the show/movies?
I fond that the characters of the manga were very faithful to what we can see in the movies, with added/flashback characterization sometimes improving what the animation portrayed back then. (For Char, his father and the Zabi, it even plays with what some may have imagined. Char himself is greatly presented, making his personal progression through the chronology even more understandable)
@Wintovisky That's Yasuhiko's interpretation. The movies are the movies, The Origin isn't a prequel, it has its own continuity, and those OAVs are only the flashback volumes animated.
There is nothing left about Zeon, apart from a chapter bonus revealing Casval's birth day. It was very good to see Dewin and his sons as simple members of a movement in it. (I doubt this will be animated)
@laughterjones I'll check but I don't remember it.
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In this OAV, he is depicted as the "enthusiast" he was supposed to be back in the series (despite the lack of description back then), but in a stronger way. And the manga "The Origin" has the exact same version of Amuro.
What did you see here to find the animated Amuro more likable than in Yasuhiko's manga?
Well, I think I phrased it poorly. Actually it's not a matter of OAV vs manga. What I meant to say is: I like Amuro in this OAV better than in the original series and manga because he still hasn't become an angsty teenager, lol. I know the manga also covers this OAV, but I was talking about the non-flashback part of the manga f(^_^;)
Here, he is not deliberately mean to Frau. He is just in his own bubble (and a bit awkward). After they join the White Base's crew, he ignores her and get mad at her when she is only worried for him.
Also, he gets the big the head for being the Gundam pilot (okay, he is young, but still...) And I find his reaction of running away very immature even for his age. Like "oh, so you don't need me anymore? Well okay, I'm going to leave really really far away to make you regret".
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@Raichi_ and Rei366: I actually think Amuro is more unlikable in this OVA because in 0079 at least you could say "he's stressed out because of the war", but in The Origin he's being mean to Fraw just because he is that way.
Am I the only one bothered by the representation of some characters in this OVA? I think they totally nailed Char and the Zabis, but Fraw, Sayla and Lalah feel completely alien to me. They mostly just cry (which is fair for Sayla, considering her circumstances) and revolve around their boyfriends. I was cringing pretty hard at the scene where Char saves Lalah from the guy with the sharp CD.
EDIT (responding to Rei366):
I don't really have a problem with Sayla, I just wish she could've done more in the story (then again, there are still 2 episodes left, so maybe then she'll be more impactful).
As for Fraw, I've always seen her as the voice of reason for Amuro when he's being a coward in the original series, and I don't think she is that at all in Origin. She was a bit passive when talking to Amuro, don't you think? I think it would've been more natural for her to call him out for ignoring her.
And finally, Lalah was pretty consistent (for the minimal screen time she has in both the 80's anime and Origin, anyway). I think my problem is with that whole segment in South America. I thought the whole thing was a bit silly and didn't add much, Lalah was just a part of it, so I may have misattributed the blame.
Most of this is just nitpicking, anyway. Origin's portrayal of the characters in general is pretty on-point.
This episode was really disappointing, which is a shame because I was liking the OVA it a lot. I hope episode 5 is more reminiscent of the first three
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There will be another short OVA, covering the Battle of Loum: http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2016/05/23-1/gundam-the-origin-anime-continues-to-battle-of-loum-arc . It doesn't really matter if you count it as a part of The Origin OVA or as a new one.
Anyway Loum will be cool as hell to see. Part of that battle was in the first episode of IGLOO too, but from Zeon perspective.
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Went into this expecting it to be the finale. Glad more is coming out as I'm enjoying this take of the original Gundam series.
As innovative and pioneering as MSG was in 1979, it did not age well with time at all and as a result I always thought the OVA's like 08th MS Team, War in the Pocket, IGLOO and most recently Thunderbolt did the overarching story a lot more justice than the main series with their balancing of great production on top of the story.
Now though, the original story is finally being done justice.
Nov 21, 2016 10:07 PM
I'm of the exactly same opinion. Tomino left huge holes in the story and characters when he did 0079, Zeta, ZZ, etc. and the OVA's fill that void very nicely, making the UC Gundam universe complete.
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I'm disappointed to "not see Zenna Mia be made a Mobile Suit pilot". It could've been Zenna x Char! Why did Dozle had to ruin the fun? I have been wondering how did Char exactly knew about Foreman? Was he found out by him or he went to them by himself? I feel episode 4 is too rushed. It should've been slower pace. Good to see Kai Shiden being a delinquent. I'm surprised he got held back. Didn't see Hayato, Ryu, Sayla, Bright, Mirai. I wish I could've see them. Make episode 5!
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Good episode, and would definitely be upset if Origin wasn't continued. I just watched the 4 eps past week, can't imagine some of you waiting years to see 5 & 6. This wait time is crazy! Although the quality is high, and longer episodes.
Interesting to see Moon cities like Granada be
Guess I'll have to rewatch all the other UC content again. Poor me! :)
taken over by Zeon. Was always the impression many of those moon cities were neutral points respected by both parties.
Can't wait for next episode!
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