Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
| Well, I hate action fantasy from the bottom of my heart, but Rezero is totally different than all other series of this genre (and thankfully it's not focusing on action). Personally I love this series (which is totally unusual for me - as I mentioned - I hate action fantasy, and I'm very skeptical towards superpopular series), because of this and because of awesome characters, interesting story etc. But the people who hate it have the same reason for hating it which I have for loving it. |
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rsc-pl said: LOL it's all good man. I hate harem anime but I love Tenchi Muyo.Well, I hate action fantasy from the bottom of my heart, but Rezero is totally different than all other series of this genre (and thankfully it's not focusing on action). Personally I love this series (which is totally unusual for me - as I mentioned - I hate action fantasy, and I'm very skeptical towards superpopular series), because of this and because of awesome characters, interesting story etc. But the people who hate it have the same reason for hating it which I have for loving it. |
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| Calling someone elitist for not liking it is just as shit of an argument as calling someone fanboy for liking it. And there is no sense in bringing up taste though I have never seen anyone who outright loved re:zero and that was the only "flaw" in their taste. The thing is, sometimes mediocre stuff gets unbelievably popular and then it's natural for them to become controversial. Yes, it's about popularity, but not popularity alone. Everyone likes some popular anime, because a lot of them has well deserved fame. Those have very little argument about if it's indeed deserves the hype or not, but instead what makes it so good. Two-third of what I consider my favorites are in MAL's top100 popular anime, and around 3/4 in the top150, and I dropped re:zero. So in this case it's about that its popularity is not in sync with its quality. Every year, almost every season has that one overly popular and really controversial series. So if most of the arguments is if it deserves its popularity or not and about waifu wars, that's a sign. |
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Rehls said: I don't mind much the rest of what you say, as they're needed/answered/impressions, that can't even be considered flaws anyway. Petelgeuse? He only appeared as so, and in the story had no need to tell more about himself; it'd have been out of character, and could appear unnatural. Subaru has to become closer to other characters, before they reveal more of themselves to him. This is how it normally works. But what's this [1]? I disagree; it'd be a bother to elaborate, though, wouldn't it? The 'random' monsters--the dogs, weren't 'thrown in', but were being commanded by someone that wasn't revealed yet, belonging to some enemy faction (hinted in the show). It's the purple haired girl that was hinted to be the mastermind. Those creatures were well-designed, too, being magical beasts that feed on living beings' vial essence, by cursing them and draining them slowly. Symbolic meaning? The cult members were full of it, weren't they? Besides, whether symbolism makes something better is subjective. Apple seller? That was just a natural event. Tropes? You're talking about subverting? It did much of it. Unfortunately, if in your mind exposition (Very poor method of storytelling, period), one-dimensional characters, and unexplained motivations (that do not add to some sort of relevant mystery) are not flaws, I'm afraid I have no further desire to converse on this subject with you sir lol. I'm glad you got more enjoyment out of it than I did :) |
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Rehls said: Dude, if I wanted to, I could rate Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann 1/10 for it being nonsensical to extremes; for it being too false--too lacking in realism--for knowing well the characters wouldn't succeed the way they did, and noone would have what to argue against this. And yet you rate it 10--you ignored its flaws and gave it a 10. Re:Zero is a better written, longer, better structured story; for this, and for it having too much of what I like, I rate it higher than something like Gurren. TTGL was chosen to be "nonsensical to extremes" to convey its message and it's doing it just fine and builds up its characters to make sense in context of the series. Re:Zero, from what I've seen, is a patchwork of genre clichés with so little originality that it's painful. Saying it's better than TTGL in any way is a personal insult to the writers and directors who put effort into their work. |
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Swagernator said: Felix is a guy Lol XD..I'm not a fan of Re:Zero myself nor a hater of this anime but let the haters hate this show..it's their own opinion and preference.Because Felix is best girl..... oh wait... |
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| I feel like I'm the only one who likes Subaru and find him to be a realistic character lol. I can understand his actions and why he became, uh, somewhat insane and extremely desperate at some point. I believe a lot of haters fail to understand that. We are all different after all. I am genuinely curious about how the haters of Subaru would act if they were put into the exact same position as him though. |
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Rehls said: This show is supposed to be using these 'genre clichés' (tropes, mostly); but if you've not noticed, it had been subverting them. Some people agreed that it did well in deconstructing this protagonist, that in other shows would've succeeded well, in this setting. Some interesting stuff: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SubvertedTrope Yes, I'm already familiar with those arguments. Deconstructing a formula is neither good, nor bad. School Days is methodically a successful deconstruction of the harem genre and one of the most hated anime of all time while Hunter x Hunter as a deconstruction of the shounen genre the 6th highest rated anime on MAL. And as subverting, it should have done it better, because after 8 episodes, one third of the total length of the anime, it still didn't go anywhere. Baiting works only if it's shows that it'll change tracks soon. That's for example something HxH (or KonoSuba one season earlier to Re:Zero) for example also did right. If there wasn't so much hype around Re:Zero I probably would have dropped it even earlier. But I must record that I won't go in an in depth argument about the entire series, obviously I can't form an opinion about the parts I haven't seen. |
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| We still doing this 3 months after the show finished airing?? >.> Half of them are butthurt cause "Rem didn't win" The remaining half of them are butthurt cause "White fox didn't go Hitler on Rem" aka they didn't show that epilogue... And then there's me in the non existing part who's butthurt cause the comedy died down after Arc 2 and the show turned into edgy shit in ep 13-16... |
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| @Rehls I think the MC being saved or not get accepted immediately is just as common as the opposite. And that the series mostly takes itself seriously in contrast that it ignores really important parts from the beginning is not really a merit. For example, Subaru just goes into a fantasy world and he didn't give a damn about it. We don't know why and how he got there. And I mean why and how and why him, where does his checkpoint power comes from? He's just "Look, a fantasy world! Let's dick around!" He just accepts everything, like it was completely normal. Even after his first death. Sure, he knows a lot of "geek goes to another world" stories and assumes he is the hero. And yes, he gets bitchslapped by the plot, but that's all. It's just as lazy as this scene was in Musaigen no Phantom World. Just "look at me! I'm self aware!", and then it doesn't do anything with this self awareness. Self awareness alone is not enough to break conventions. |
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Kirito_Alsufi said: I can't see how Subaru come to this world ? I can't see who is Emilia he love ? I don't know how he get this power (return from death)? Who is Satella that she is inside Subaru? The only discussion I know from many forums Rem is the best girl Who is Subaru is going to end up with? TeamRem vs TeamEmilia? Subaru is shit? Why Subaru loves Emilia? You're not reading the light novel. There's more to it than the anime. |
| well the show was memorable nonetheless |
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Bleach has 366 episodes with only 3 arcs (Soul Society arc, Arrancar arc and Fullbring arc). And it's not even finish. You've watched all those 25 episodes and you only see 'waifu wars'? Really? |
| @Rehls Than that's what you wrote in the first paragraph and the spoiler how they should have build up the start. Not to tell everything, but to play out in a way that raises interest. Or at least make a clear and reasonable motivation for Subaru for what he does and doesn't do. Subversion and mystery is good, but only if those are leading somewhere. And that's not what they did. The baiting was endless without payoff. The point where I should already have been deeply invested in the characters and the story, I lost all interest. And as I feel from your words, they didn't really got to anywhere relevant for big picture with the story by the end of the season. You work with a lot of guesses and outside sources. So maybe they just messed up the adaptation and the story in its original works. It doesn't help on the adaptation. |
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Popularity tells nothing. Akame ga Kill, Gate, Mahouka and Sword Art Online are also popular and you dropped all 4 of them. I don't know your drop policy and don't understand their high ratings despite they are dropped, but I guess you dropped them because you think they are bad regardless of their popularity. Rehls said: Well I won't tell you to pick it back up and finish, I guess. I just think that if you found it worth watching up to episode 8, the later episodes should be even more. Because things will happen. Many more things than what you've seen up until then, for sure. It 'starts turning' in episode 12 and beyond. Anyway. Probably, but that also doesn't guarantee that I will start to like it and it's bad enough for me if an anime 'starts running' when you are or should be half way through it. Maybe the key factor that I was turned off so soon that I have seen a 20-ish of those "protagonist gets sucked into fantasy world" anime from all over the scale and I got really picky about the next one with the setting/premise. I've seen some youtube videos discussing the parts I haven't seen. Some are praising it, some are bashing, but I still think I would gain anything by finishing it. |
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| The unwritten MAL rule If it isn't your taste, then they have shit taste. I like Mirai Nikki and everybody and their mothers shits on that show. Haters gonna hate and that's how any popular show goes. Another example is Madoka. Lots of people say it's edgy and pretentious as hell |
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JokerRabbitt said: (Sorry if there anything wrong with my english, it´s not my native language and i am not very good.) I know people have the right to like or dislike a show, but Re:zero haters are disgusting, if you try to defend the anime they say that you are a butthurt fanboy or someshit, every single fan of the show to them is a fanboy or have "bad taste" in anime, they compare Re:Zero fan with SAO fanboys (wich 50% who says that doesn´t know what it´s to have a "discussion" with a SAO fanboy), they say is a fact that the anime is shit, what the fuck is wrong with these people? Typical of mal, but re:zero and SAO Were actually bad in a critic's point of view. |
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| @Rehls No, of course not all popular anime are bad. As I said, the majority of my favorites are popular. But I'd say around half of the popular anime are average at best. That still means that popularity is not a good indicator of quality. And as I also said in my first comment here, sometimes subpar products get insane popularity, because reasons. Whether good marketing, an opinion leader praises it, or it's just the right place at the right time. I sometimes come through a lot of praises about Rakudai Kishi no Cavalry and it has a high rating. My guess would be because Digibro made a video about it in contrast of Gakusen Toshi Asterisk and told, Cavalry is not completely without merits but still just an average show, and what got to people, that it's good and the revolution of the high-school battle-ecchi genre. And for example Arcada (Glass Reflection) made two praising videos about Re:Zero. Maybe that's not the core of its popularity, but might have given a boost. And Digi an hour long drunk rant where he shits on it, but that's too little too late to counter a channel twice as big. |
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| Honestly, both sides are incessantly toxic. Say anything bad about Re:Zero on one of these threads, chances are, you'll get mauled (I did for about an hour on the episode 25 thread), but if you love it on certain threads and certain people, you'll probably get grilled almost as hard. No wonder people compare this to the SAO fan base. It is hell. It it tiresome. It is...dumb, like both shows, but hey, at least this show is better than SAO. I don't get all the hate Subaru gets when aside from Rem and maybe Crusch, he is easily the best character in this show by virtue of actually doing something and having a personality that isn't generic as all get out. |
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| A bit bland? Maybe. Enjoyable? Yes! Heldengeist said: @Rehls I think the MC being saved or not get accepted immediately is just as common as the opposite. And that the series mostly takes itself seriously in contrast that it ignores really important parts from the beginning is not really a merit. For example, Subaru just goes into a fantasy world and he didn't give a damn about it. We don't know why and how he got there. And I mean why and how and why him, where does his checkpoint power comes from? He's just "Look, a fantasy world! Let's dick around!" He just accepts everything, like it was completely normal. Even after his first death. Sure, he knows a lot of "geek goes to another world" stories and assumes he is the hero. And yes, he gets bitchslapped by the plot, but that's all. It's just as lazy as this scene was in Musaigen no Phantom World. Just "look at me! I'm self aware!", and then it doesn't do anything with this self awareness. Self awareness alone is not enough to break conventions. It seems to just be an excuse to get a character that's a fish out of water, weak and dumb (just to be a subversion of most light novels), but nothing more. I don't know, it's so glossed over that I see little reason to really care much for it. Like 99% anime ever. The scene where he convinces Crusch and co. of the white whale's upcoming apperance by observation comes to mind at least of inventive utilization, though he spends half the series failing miserably. And how he got his abillities clearly seem like something that *won't* be glossed on, or hasn't entirely? Well, if it was more than a atypical 25 episode series. |
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| @Rehls That will be the interesting part. Its popularity. Since my first comment here until yesterday, its rating dropped by 0.02. And since it ended it dropped out from the 25th place to the 59th. That's a huge drop in 3 months. To rise the ratings while it's airing is not uncommon, but it's a steady drop since then. Even more than Erased which caused a general disappointment around the end. I'm really curious about where will it be stabilized. @ashfrliebert That was my point. It's neither entertaining, nor atypical enough. Maybe some parts later are, or at least less common, I don't know, but what I've seen didn't impress me at all. |
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Heldengeist said: @ashfrliebert That was my point. It's neither entertaining, nor atypical enough. Maybe some parts later are, or at least less common, I don't know, but what I've seen didn't impress me at all. You didn't finish it? e_e Don't think you got my point, the "transport into another world" only serves to throw a complete idiot into a world of magical people and watch him grow into..a less complete idiot (tho still an obxnious idiot anyway) courtesy of dying alot. The transport into another world is so meaningless in the series (because it's been noted that he didn't really do *anything* of note in his world at all), that I don't see the reason for complaint. Their both thrillers and both have time travel, but it's really nothing like Erased, that aside (and Erased is far better admittedly, the manga at least). Erased is "Intelligent, precognitive character sets right what once went wrong (and figures out what went wrong in the first place)", Re:Zero is more "Dumbass, precognitive character figurs out how to stop what he (And the audience) knows wrong (and goes crazy doing so)". Re:Zero is fantasy skin, aside from the unexplained world warp, Boku daka is Mystery dectective. |
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| Idk but before that, I wanna ask what about the fanboys? Those guys trash talks and insults anyone who even dares say a bad thing about the show. I remember some guy rating the show lowly and wrote a review about it, over half of his comments afterwards were people bashing him for doing that, but ofc none makes a thread for that. Also the show is popular and hyped up as the second coming of christ, that's enough for it to gather a "hate" base as with all other popular shows. |
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| @ashfrliebert Since that's the setting of the series, I wouldn't say it's meaningless, and I can't root for an obnoxious idiot and aside from him, the series is full of character archetypes I hate, but not a single one that is sympathetic or at least I would love to hate to give me some passion to continue watching. So of course I didn't finish it. Why would I? Why should I torture myself and waste my time while I could watch something better? |
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| Mostly Haters is just an Attention Seekers The series is great though I got bored in the last few episode. Maybe some of them are "M" because they keep watching it even though they hate it, so they can say only bad things on the series. |
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| Actualy people just triggered by forum thread and some post from anime haters ....and inserted the wrong opinion about re zero to they head.... When i watch anime between 2005-2016. I never see anime like re zero.....the story is really good actualy the best i have been watched this year ..... |
| Community opinion does'nt affected to me ,,,i just believe what i see with my own eyes! |
| Actualy people just triggered by forum thread and some post from anime haters ....and inserted the wrong opinion about re zero to they head.... When i watch anime between 2005-2016. I never see anime like re zero.....the story is really good actualy the best i have been watched this year ..... |
| Community opinion does'nt affected to me ,,,i just believe what i see with my own eyes! |
| I wouldn't take people not liking Re:Zero to heart. Me personally, I thought the show was ok. It had its faults and its strengths, but seeing it from that perspective I can understand why people thought so highly of it and I can understand from the others thought so lowly of it. There are a few reasons I didn't like the show as much as some people love the show, and the main reason being the MC. When he was not annoying the show was great, but when was annoying the show was hard to watch. Most other people had problem with the MC which stop from enjoying the show as much as they wanted, I do think there are those people who are just going to not like the show just because it is popular or they just want to have unpopular opinion of the general consensus of the show, which stupid to me too. If somebody has a problem a show then I think it's rude to go on a forum where the show is celebrated and talk bad about it because that ruin the forum's conversation. I did that before and in hindsight that was a**hole move. I think for people who don't like Re:Zero going to forum where the show is celebrated should a place of getting to understanding on why people like it. Only vent when the forum ask why people don't like it or when in context of the forum conversation. In the same token, people not going to like your favorite show regardless of how relatable you think the characters are, how good you think the story is, how good you think the character development is, or how good you think art and animation are because are going to have they own opinions on shows. Be Happy, Re:Zero is a popular with a lot more loving it than hating it. There are show that I think are really good, but people most don't enjoy like School Days. More times then not, I agree with a lot popular view of most mainstream shows. At the same time, there are plenty of shows or movies that is popular that I don't like for example Evangelion, Gintama, Welcome to NHK, Star Wars, the Godfather, and more, but that doesn't mean I have bad taste it just mean that my opinion differ from the view of the majority of the populace. |
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