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| My Theory about the Potara Earing: "The Potara Earrings" ► In the Buu Saga, Vegetto diffuses inside Buu! In that time, there was no time limit and they were in a state were they were both ''humans'' (no power that was able to equal the gods)! ► Now, the old Kaioshin Gowasu said that Non Gods (humans) when fused through Potara Earings, would be separated in an hour. ► Now, when they fused, they were in a human condition. If they have gone to Super Sayajin God (SSG), they probably were be fused until they stop using the Gods power and then wait an hour to diffuse (because they became gods). So, they decided to go straight to Super Sayajin God Super Sayajin (SSB) and so, transcend the Gods! Now, the Potara Earings where made for the Gods an not to "someone" who transcended the Gods! So, its normal that Vegetto wasn't able to sustain that form that long!  |
azertz99Nov 13, 2016 11:18 AM
The Funny thing is that DBS only has 3 frames per atack |
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| Who was questioning it? Buu's metabolism was already an explaination, surely better than this nerf... that means it was a coincidence that they defuse after the barrier and all the warnings about the permanent fusion were stupid. And why only the kayos should sustain the fusion? There's no reason at all, it's just for justify this bs and let trunks win the fight |
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TheDiabolicEsper said: 3 frames? not 2? . guess i was a little mistakenfancy blue fireworks.. with fight scenes having 2 frames per atk lasting 1minute along with deformed faces/ body proportions in 2016 u'd expect better they barely put effort into the cg animations. it felt like fanmade animation at some parts it was poorly done...bad shading bad detailing. and lazy. with few frames. and off model.. the only parts that looked cool.. was that fancy blue aura... everything else of the Animation was really borring |
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| This was a great episode, don't get why a few people are complaining about it (an episode ruined your childhood, really?). |
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TheDiabolicEsper said: TheDiabolicEsper said: 3 frames? not 2? . guess i was a little mistakenfancy blue fireworks.. with fight scenes having 2 frames per atk lasting 1minute along with deformed faces/ body proportions in 2016 u'd expect better they barely put effort into the cg animations. it felt like fanmade animation at some parts it was poorly done...bad shading bad detailing. and lazy. with few frames. and off model.. the only parts that looked cool.. was that fancy blue aura... everything else of the Animation was really borring I'm not too good with those things. The problem with Dragon Ball is that the main fights don't last enough and they only have a few frames in the main events. The Episode 66 was a good episode animation wise, despite some flaws. But Super's animation doesn't is the best of the industry, not even the best animation would be enough to make up for those plot mistakes. I will still see Super even if they make 10000 episodes, but I won't deny that they need to improve. Some believe that DBS is the best season of the entire franchise... |
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swordmasterman said: best season of the entire frenachise? wow what the hell ok ... ok i respect people ''liking super''.. but... saying it was best season of the entiere frenachise?... like.. basically throwing it a 10/10I'm not too good with those things. The problem with Dragon Ball is that the main fights don't last enough and they only have a few frames in the main events. The Episode 66 was a good episode animation wise, despite some flaws. But Super's animation doesn't is the best of the industry, not even the best animation would be enough to make up for those plot mistakes. I will still see Super even if they make 10000 episodes, but I won't deny that they need to improve. Some believe that DBS is the best season of the entire franchise... ........... wew... nothing to see here *walks away* |
TheDiabolicEsperNov 13, 2016 9:55 PM
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| The way that Trunks defeated Zamasu reminded me of the first Slayers movie when Rowdy slashed Joyrock in half with a combined power of The Sword of Light and Lina's Dragu Slave. |
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| Well that was certainly something. First things first, I found how Goku, Vegeta and Trunks even managed to stand up to Fusion Zamasu at all to be absolute nonsense besides Goku's SSB Kaioken, they were barely a match for Black alone so a fusion shouldn't have been phased at all from anything they did. They went out of their way to hype up Fusion Zamasu's immortality and infinite potential combination yet neither one came into play in the slightest and that ending with Trunks while cool to a degree and very fitting was very dumb to put it lightly. That aside Vegito vs Fusion Zamasu was amazing, all five minutes of it we got, I never realized how much I missed Vegito until I saw him in action again. Him going SSB along with his dynamics with Zamasu were great. Speaking of which god bless, no pun intended, Zamasu's narcissism, selfishness and ego, him bringing himself to tears at the regal and righteousness of his own speech was awesome as was his breakdown and ranting, as typical for it is for main villains from DBZ onward. As an avid Batman fan the Two-Face Zamasu thing was especially enjoyable and his bulking up in the end was a nice callback to Cell. Shida's cut of Vegito Blue vs Fusion Zamasu was legendary, the rest of the fight was great too but it felt surreal seeing Vegito actually put work into a fight instead of just messing around like against Gohan absorbed Super Buu. It was nice to see him use the Final Kamehameha along with the Spirit Sword and Instant Transmission. I kinda wish we got an Energy Blade clash montage but oh well. This sequence is probably the best one in all of Super so far. https://sakugabooru.com/data/954f0937472b444747edf947372cfb4c.mp4 The Potara retcon while unfortunate doesn't make any real plot holes. Old Kai was trapped in the Z Swords for ages and probably never saw a Fusion between mortals using the Potaras so it makes sense that he just assumed all Fusions were permanent and it doesn't really contradict Vegito's defusion from when he was inside Buu since Goku was just guessing that Buu's inwards are what cancelled the Fusion instead of knowing for a fact that, that was the case. There's a certain sense of cathartic satisfaction that I got from seeing Goku and Vegeta lose after the Fusion ran out, nothing against them, but seeing them get pushed aside to allow Trunks to settle things was oh so refreshing after most of Super being nothing but them being the center focus of pretty much everything. If it wasn't for how nonsensically and ineptly the writing for Trunks' win was than I'd have no problem with how things played out. In spite of all those problems Zamasu meeting his end at Trunks' hand was the right way to go from a story perspective and that makes Zamasu the first major villain to be defeated by someone other than Goku since Cell. |
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| I actually really liked this episode. That Potara Fusion retcon was unnecessary tho |
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| future trucks is pretty awesome even making a Genki-Dama sword to finish off the job im pretty happy with this as it was someone else that finished the job instead of goku like it usually always is but now im looking forward to know just what the next arc will be really hoping for others to be back in it |
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| I still like Future Trunks a lot but I certainly don't have a problem with not seeing him again after this arc. Getting rewarded with unearned random powerups and instantly mastering moves that he shouldn't have learned as fast as he did was already too much and it was just overkill by the time the finale came around so if this is Trunks' final appearance than I have no problem with it. This wasn't as satisfying as when he beat the Androids and Cell but at least he got to take down the menace of his world one more time. This image probably sums up a good chunk of the fandom's reaction to what happened. |
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| About Potara - this concept isin't new. Dragon Ball Heroes introduced the concept first, that Potara fusion is not permanent unless one participants is a Supreme Kai. This is how Vegeks (Vegeta and Trunks) was able to defuse. : dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Vegeks |
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TheDiabolicEsper said: dragon ball gt Aired: Feb 7, 1996 to Nov 19, 1997 . R you seriously trying to justify. dragon ball super's animation when it Aired 2015?~2016 Time of airing =/= Quality of animation |
| Not sure what some people are so upset about, that was awesome and refreshing to see Trunks finally defeating Zamasu. It's his timeline, his story, he should be the one to finish it and he did. Fantastic episode. |
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| What was that? Asspulls the episode!? |
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| Good episode :D From storytelling point imo the limit is perfect. Otherwise might as well spam potara every time. |
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| What a fucking asspull.. seriously Trunks beats fused Zamasu with an energy sword.. that's exactly what i want from my Dragon ball... a fucking sword fight by a weak character who got his energy from the civilians who nobody even cares about.. seriously fuck those 2 little kids and this entire arc |
MasakoX said: Even though people think there are massive plotholes, if you take the time to actually sit down and watch the episode again, you really really get a good idea that they actually make a lot of sense. There were lots of unanswered questions from Z, and a couple of these were answered. If only people were that reasonable. |
| He doesn't know what he's talking about, I've stopped it at "full mastered ssj2 in 9 years", what? He has forgot that trunks couldn't handle even the first form of black while goku wasn't transformed in ssj3 in his first fight, he has skipped 3 ssj stages just by screaming... if he used half of the power of those episodes black would have been erased before the first time travel. And it hasn't only learned a powerful version of spirit bomb, but mafuba in a couple of minutes too from a video on his smartphone This guy should learn that speak with a troll voice doesn't make him right |
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| LOL typical whining as usual. If Vegito or Goku was the one to beat Zamasu everyone would be like oh no, oh no, oh no only Goku ever gets to beat the main villain wah, wah, wah only Goku and Vegeta matter. Trunks fucking deserved this victory after Black and Zamasu rekt his world. Also it makes sense how Trunks won. Trunks' strong urge to defeat Zamasu and protect his world caused him to subconsciously draw genki from all the humans still living in his world plus Goku and Vegeta transferred their ki to him. |
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Waller said: Guess you forgot that Trunks trained with Vegeta and Vegeta bypassed ssj3 and the first ssj god. The manga also shows that Goku had to use god kai to defeat Trunks when they were sparring and that was even before Trunks trained with Vegeta.He doesn't know what he's talking about, I've stopped it at "full mastered ssj2 in 9 years", what? He has forgot that trunks couldn't handle even the first form of black while goku wasn't transformed in ssj3 in his first fight, he has skipped 3 ssj stages just by screaming... if he used half of the power of those episodes black would have been erased before the first time travel. |
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| Final Kamehameha OMFGGG. SSJB Vegito?! NERDGASM!!! Seriously this episode was 11/10. |
| What an intense episode. It started so good with Goku going all out against Zamasu, I loved his super strong Kame-hame-ha and also how he fought against him. So Black was the reason Zamasu began to decompose. And then of course, Vegito god he's so strong and to see him after such a long time was absolute fantastic (especially in SS Blue *.*). I think if the fight would have gone a little longer, Vegito had beat Zamasu easily. But after they showed Trunks with his sword I knew something would happen. The power Trunks used looked like a giant Genkidama which he absorbed. And his sword omg, even Cloud from FF7 would have been jealous on how big it was. :D I'm curious what will come next. From what you could see the Omni king appears. Question is what does he have to say. This will hopefully be interesting. That was definitely a great episode. :) |
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ThugHunter said: Trunks potential was shown at the beginning of the arc in the manga (which is canon) when Goku had to use god kai to knock him out. Trunks trained with Vegeta when he went back to the main timeline and Vegeta thought him Galick Gun, Final Flash and the suicide attack off screen. Trunks' new rage super saiyan transformation that some fans call oversaiyan or super saiyan demi god is what allowed him to take on SSJ Rose Black and he still couldn't beat him or seriously injure him with an all out Galic Gun.Vegeta also left an entire bag of senzu beans with Mai so Trunks would have been recovering non stop and getting zenkais after fighting Black and Zamasu and healing with the senzu beans. Black not knowing about the senzu beans actually comments that he thinks Trunks is probably immortal . Trunks had to go back because training with Vegeta and getting senzu beans were a big help for him.In Gohan's case, his hidden potential was hinted at since the beginning of DBZ when he destroyed that saiyan ship and knocked the wind out of Raditz. We even got to see his gradual progression and training pre-cell games. Trunks on the other hand can seemingly ascend to new heights whenever the hell he wants to (going from being weaker than base Black to being on par with SSJR & SSJB). I get that this is his arc but that doesn't excuse the fact that he is out of his league in terms of power (or should be, anyway), yet can somehow keep up. It almost makes this entire arc seem pointless because you can't help but wonder why he even had to go back in time in the first place if he has so much untapped power. |
DrGeroCreationNov 13, 2016 6:02 PM
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| It was an amazing episode in every way. Blue Vegetto, Oh my god it was great to see him again, no doubt to him defeat to Zamasu, but then later with a sword trunks, full of human energy that is equal to the power of ss-blue. It was great, I loved |
ThugHunter said: Trunks was high ssj2 close to ssj3. Vegeta was also high ssj2 and with a rage boost was able to surpass ssj3 Goku for a while in the Battle of Gods arc. His new super saiyan form is a rage unlocked form like Gohan's ssj2. It also has not been stated to be super saiyan blue, it is it's own thing.DrGeroCreation said: Trunks potential was shown at the beginning of the arc in the manga (which is canon) when Goku had to use god kai to knock him out. Trunks trained with Vegeta when he went back to the main timeline and Vegeta thought him Galick Gun, Final Flash and the suicide attack off screen. Trunks' new rage super saiyan transformation that some fans call oversaiyan or super saiyan demi god is what allowed him to take on SSJ Rose Black and he still couldn't beat him or seriously injure him with an all out Galic Gun.Vegeta also left an entire bag of senzu beans with Mai so Trunks would have been recovering non stop and getting zenkais after fighting Black and Zamasu and healing with the senzu beans. Black not knowing about the senzu beans actually comments that he thinks Trunks is probably immortal . Trunks had to go back because training with Vegeta and getting senzu beans were a big help for him. But that still doesn't explain how he, as a SSJ2, was able to put out as much energy as Goku in SSJ3 simply because he "didn't settle for the power that form offered". If it's that simple then the existence of SSJ3 has little meaning. Even that aside, while his training with Vegeta explains how he learned some of his techniques, his achieving that pseudo-blue form makes no sense. SSJB is said to require a calm mind and great focus, which Trunks in his raging state definitely didn't display. In fact, achieving SSJB through raging completely contradicts the very foundation of the form. |
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| Guys you forgot again in Akira Toriyama logic... There no common sense Explanation There Always Power Up Random and Power of Friendship ... Deal of it like or Not. In Dragoball Gt many people whining why Goku always the one beat all main Villain. Now People they whining why Trunks The one Beat Sumazau Not Vegito. in Original Dragoball Z and Dragonball Gt There Always Random power up and Power of Friendship. |
| @Shaiders Dragon Ball has no friendship power, it has ki transfer and genki dama. Ki transfer and Genki dama isn't dependent on friendship. Trunks defeated Zamasu by getting a ki transfer from Goku and Vegeta and absorbing the genki from all the people on his earth. |
DrGeroCreationNov 13, 2016 8:43 PM
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DrGeroCreation said: @Shaiders Dragon Ball has no friendship power, it has ki transfer and genki dama. Ki transfer and Genki dama isn't dependent on friendship. Trunks defeated Zamasu by getting a ki transfer from Goku and Vegeta and absorbing the genki from all the people on his earth. Said that to Akira Toriyama not me Akira Toriyama explain Helping each Other order Win in Fight That No Difference in Power of Friendship. Many Old Fans Know This Deal of it Like it or Not. |
Shaiders said: Could you provide a link to the interview where he said that?DrGeroCreation said: @Shaiders Dragon Ball has no friendship power, it has ki transfer and genki dama. Ki transfer and Genki dama isn't dependent on friendship. Trunks defeated Zamasu by getting a ki transfer from Goku and Vegeta and absorbing the genki from all the people on his earth. Said that to Akira Toriyama not me Akira Toriyama explain Helping each Other order Win in Fight That No Difference in Power of Friendship. Many Old Fans Know This Deal of it Like it or Not. |
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| I actually loved this episode and thought it was a great ending fight to cap off one of the best Dragon Ball arcs ever. The potara fusion explanation of only being permanent for gods is a retcon I'm completely okay with since that makes it possible for Vegito to actually show up more often and not just a one time resort per series. Trunks being the one to get the ending power up and being the one to defeat Zamasu is a decision I'll praise up and down. People bitching about random power ups be damned, the entire series is filled with them. For the first time since the Cell Games someone other than Goku (And Vegeta) managed to save the day and I'm completely okay with that. After GT literally being a story where only Goku can accomplish something, Super is definitely the better series for me. |
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bxyhxyh said: Rilind said: Vegeta was able to go SSJGSSJ without 5 other saiyajins. Just nitpick here. When it's said that to become "blue" you need 5 other saiyans? It's to become "Red" one. And I see no Super Saiyan Red Vegeta Blue is the super saiyajin version of a super saiyajin god. It even says so in the name Super Saiyajin God Super Saiyajin. Episode 27 06:55 Muten Roshi: Unbelievable! Vegeta's obtained the power of a Super Sayajin God, too?! 07:01 Goku: Yeah. And unlike me, he didnt borrow the strength of other saiyajins. |
| Nice to see a lot of people who have defended the anime so far getting mad at it =D Every episode is the same bullshit, Zamasu was the worst villain! I sincerely hope the manga to be better! |
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| I hope they just stop using Fusions all together from now on, especially if they're going to continue to downplay or shaft them so much. Back in the Buu Saga Goku and Vegeta were complete fodder to Gohan, Gotenks and Super Buu and yet Vegito made an absolute joke of the strongest Buu, that was the kind of thing that showcased how proficient Fusions were, but then here they downplay how strong Fusion Zamasu should have been, given the strength of Black and Zamasu had separately, just for a few 'cool' moments. I mean I would have rather they just never had Black and Zamasu fuse in the first place if they were just going to have their ultimate Fusion struggle to wipe out guys that couldn't even do any real damage to just Black alone. |
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SH4kun said: I can't believe there will be a day I would say this, but as of today GT is better than Super. What an awful episode filled with retcons and asspulls. Yeah! The original DBZ had NONE OF THOSE! NOPE! NONE! /sarcasm. |
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| Damn what a... disappointment. First I was hyped to see Vegito again and kick ass and then with some bullshit explanation the fusion stops. And if it wasn't enough that SSJ2 Future Trunks manages to actually stand up to someone that Goku SSJB couldn't beat, he actually kills him in the end because after Mafuuba he apparently also learned Genkidama in a few seconds and also invented a technique to get that energy into his sword. It's quite amazing how often DBS manages to make me pumped up only to severely disappoint me again in the end. |
| you see Vegito again was so epic, and as God Blue .... amazing chapter |
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| The 15% of people who gave it a 1 don't deserve to watch anything else that comes out of this franchise again. People cried their eyes out after Episode 5 and everyone jumped on the "the animation sucks" bandwagon and they give an episode like this with great animation and people still need to cry over something. People would have loved this episode if it was back in DBZ but nobody can enjoy anything in this day and age. |
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Dregora said: Waller said: Who was questioning it? Buu's metabolism was already an explaination, surely better than this nerf... that means it was a coincidence that they defuse after the barrier and all the warnings about the permanent fusion were stupid. And why only the kayos should sustain the fusion? There's no reason at all, it's just for justify this bs and let trunks win the fight A lot of people were questioning it. You know, the people that do not worship Z to oblivion and can actually take a rational look at it. Make no mistake, I prefer Z over Super, but I was questioning this myself. Buu's metabolism? Care to explain why Gotenks didn't defuse until the timer was up? If it had anything to do with said metabolism, Gotenks would've defused instantly as well, but he didn't. Let's face it, them defusing inside Buu was a massive ass pull as well in order to make sure they're seperated. It's a bigger ass pull than what they tried to do in Super, at least that had a logical explanation for both back then AND now. Because Potara fusion /=/ Fusion Dance fusion |
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