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Feb 5, 2010 6:40 PM

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OrochiPL said:

If u would be a nice girl i would say that i love u. xD
Seriously, thanks a lot, it's all more clear now.

Always glad to be of service.
Instead of loving me, you could buy me a drink....damn 'internet bars' should be the next thing they should invent!! XD

I hope so, it would be the best to know from anime than assuming ourself.

Yeah, well, they need to clear up the terminology within the anime...some things won't make sense otherwise. I don't know if they will include the full background, but at least Kamibito and 3 other terms need to be explained to understand what is going on.
I'm really interested in seeing how anime-viewers will react to those things...it's so totally different from how the VN presented them, so I just can't foresee anything regarding presentation and effect...but going by the screens next episode could be cool.
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Feb 5, 2010 7:04 PM

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Ok, I have a theory about the Hassaku ads.

I think that every time a person is about the break "the rules" the Hassaku commercial is played on tv to inform the extermination squad to get ready. Or to inform the town that they are about to go into action so they need to stay out of the streets. I think this because the commercial is always played right before someone is killed. Also the commercial shows a wolf dancing around which could symbolize the victim going out of control.

I said it before but I am afraid that it's being far too obvious. It's best to keep the clues in the background and not to just zoom in the camera on them to point out to the viewers "This is important"
Plus there should be more red herrings. Higurashi had tons of fake clues to cover the real one.

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Feb 5, 2010 7:18 PM

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AidanAK47 said:
Ok, I have a theory about the Hassaku ads.

I think that every time a person is about the break "the rules" the Hassaku commercial is played on tv to inform the extermination squad to get ready. Or to inform the town that they are about to go into action so they need to stay out of the streets. I think this because the commercial is always played right before someone is killed. Also the commercial shows a wolf dancing around which could symbolize the victim going out of control.

I said it before but I am afraid that it's being far too obvious. It's best to keep the clues in the background and not to just zoom in the camera on them to point out to the viewers "This is important"
Plus there should be more red herrings. Higurashi had tons of fake clues to cover the real one.

Wow... that's actually pretty clever. I assumed it was just for the sake of juxtaposition. But yeah, your theory does indeed make sense.
 
Feb 5, 2010 7:29 PM

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Lind_L_Tailor said:
AidanAK47 said:
Ok, I have a theory about the Hassaku ads.

I think that every time a person is about the break "the rules" the Hassaku commercial is played on tv to inform the extermination squad to get ready. Or to inform the town that they are about to go into action so they need to stay out of the streets. I think this because the commercial is always played right before someone is killed. Also the commercial shows a wolf dancing around which could symbolize the victim going out of control.

I said it before but I am afraid that it's being far too obvious. It's best to keep the clues in the background and not to just zoom in the camera on them to point out to the viewers "This is important"
Plus there should be more red herrings. Higurashi had tons of fake clues to cover the real one.

Wow... that's actually pretty clever. I assumed it was just for the sake of juxtaposition. But yeah, your theory does indeed make sense.

I thought it was just for the lolz but I like that idea better.
 
Feb 5, 2010 8:51 PM

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Seems like this show is starting to get somewhere. The OST is nice and the only part of this series I enjoy.
 
Feb 5, 2010 9:52 PM

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It does have direction! Finally a well paced episode. Best one so far. Though still so slow. Guess Nemuru is the white wolf gang leader. Darn.
 
Feb 5, 2010 11:40 PM

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seizonsha thank you for all the spoilers....I kept repeating in my head how stupid of me to have been so full of rage towards Nemuru... I was so stupid, stupid, stupid of not considering anything but I don't know how this anime series might have been towards......the whole disease idea. Just a few non spoiler things of interest...Kamibito=wolves and they consider humans as Ochibito. Based on what you said seizonsha it can be possible that Isuzu can live with Hiroshi on the condition she does not become like Issei. Kaname looks to be normal so far but is she really a Kamibito or human? Damn it now I feel bad for Nemuru.....I feel so bad that I don't have anything against her and take back all bad things said to her. seizonsha I don't want those endings you suggested I want something happy or it is all the way something in the style of the endings of (Kaitou-hen) (Answer Book) or (Fukushûhonryû-hen) (Torrent of Revenge Book) seizonsha I cannot thank you enough for all the information.....Now I know all *maniacal laugh* Also so sad is the fate of wolf people and more sad/depressing is what Hiroshi really is...not his fault though. TBH tissues will be needed if the bad stuff happen to Isuzu and I assume seizonsha you base yourself also on the words of the OP aren't you?
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Feb 5, 2010 11:55 PM

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So far I've gathered the following.

- The pills are experimental and are either for suppressing a villagers killing instinct or they are the cause of it.

- Each urban legend apparently has a different part in this story...similar to Higurashi. Whether or not they will link together we wont know till later.

- The Hassaku fruit are a form of suppression to the infected. I'm thinking the commercial is indeed some kind of alert system to make sure all the infected stay in their house while the execution squad does their thing. On the flip side this can also be a bad thing. If this is indeed a warning to the infected/wolves then there's nothing stopping them from all going outside and helping the one that's about to be killed off.

Another theory is that the ad is a way to remind everyone to take their pills. The wolf in the ad has blood shot eyes and looks like he's going crazy but the Hassaku are preventing his claws from extending too far.

- The moon seems to play a factor in this story. In almost every episode the moon is full and red, which simply isn't possible. The OP also zooms in on the moon at night and in day multiple times. It's pretty clear you cant have a full red moon everyday so something weird is going on. In common folklore a moon is supposed to cause the transformation of a werwolf. In this case it seems to be the catalyst that causes all these infected people's emotions to go out of wack.

- The girl at the beginning of the episode shouts "Why are you here? Why where you even born?" to Nemuru. At first glance this felt like it was a simple 'if you where not born I'd still be alive right now' type thing, however after giving it some thought there could be multiple reasons why she screamed that. One possible reason might be that Nemuru is the original wolf / carrier of the disease or a decedent. The doctor, her uncle/dad, may have been making the pills using her blood and experimenting on the people. He doesn't seem like a bad guy though so maybe the pill's original intention where to prevent something from happening to the villagers but in staid caused this weird fucked up monster.

- Nemuru is sad when she kills. This could be any number of things. Could be because she doesn't really want to kill. Could be because she knows the people, could also be because they where made from her.

- People can apparently move from the old village into the new if they are taking these pills. If their body starts going nuts then they are asked to move back to the old village. The old village is clearly a quarantine of some kind. Kind of goes against my original opinion of the old village being made up of the only real humans though.

- Nemuru's outfit is substantially different from her fellow assasins. While they all look like bats, Nemuru looks across from a bat and a wolf. She's sporting a wolf tail, two long braids, gray wolf hair, a white dress with a red bow, and what looks like drooped down ears. Her Scythe also resembled an over-sized K-9 tooth with a half moon at the back end of it. Again the moon is hinted at playing some role in this. I'm not exactly sure what all that means just yet. There's also the masks. All the assassins seem to wear them....I wonder if they shield their eyes from the power of the moon.

So many hints tossed at us. I've got all these theory's building inside but it's still to early to post them all lol.
 
Feb 6, 2010 3:03 AM
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This was a nice episode, we have more plot progression at least. Issei died, too bad, I found him amusing. Maybe if this does follow the route of Higurashi/Umineko, we'll have a reset? I'm not sure.

AidanAK47 said:
Ok, I have a theory about the Hassaku ads.

I think that every time a person is about the break "the rules" the Hassaku commercial is played on tv to inform the extermination squad to get ready. Or to inform the town that they are about to go into action so they need to stay out of the streets. I think this because the commercial is always played right before someone is killed. Also the commercial shows a wolf dancing around which could symbolize the victim going out of control.

I said it before but I am afraid that it's being far too obvious. It's best to keep the clues in the background and not to just zoom in the camera on them to point out to the viewers "This is important"
Plus there should be more red herrings. Higurashi had tons of fake clues to cover the real one.


I like this theory, it sounds very plausible. I can't believe I didn't see this myself actually, I guess I'm just not all that engrossed in this mystery of Ryukishi's.
 
Feb 6, 2010 5:57 AM

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Lind_L_Tailor said:
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Oh, and out of curiosity, did anyone else find Issei climbing down the wall, Spiderman-style, to be utterly hilarious?

Haha, yeah, I was kind of confused because I somehow assumed he was more like something werewolf-esque.
Good to see it's not just me.
I have the distinct feeling that this'll be a meme. If Ookami Kakushi is actually remembered by anyone after its run, that is.
Did you happen to miss my 'awesome' post. :p
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Wait, hold it. Is that.. the laugh of Accelerator?
Now THIS made me LOL.


 
Feb 6, 2010 6:01 AM

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desolato said:
Did you happen to miss my 'awesome' post. :p
desolato said:
Wait, hold it. Is that.. the laugh of Accelerator?
Now THIS made me LOL.

I missed it, lol xD
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Feb 6, 2010 7:39 AM

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That's spiderwolf lol its just weird. And when Hiro didnt head towards his house on that situation was plain lame.

I don't think it is that slow, there's no until to what episode it is expected, anybody knows??

I feel something bad gonna happen for the next episode, when Isuzu carelessly told Hiro that her brother was murdered
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Feb 6, 2010 7:47 AM

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zinvince said:
I feel something bad gonna happen for the next episode, when Isuzu carelessly told Hiro that her brother was murdered

Carelessly? No, she hesitated, she couldn't take it anymore and then she said this to Hiro.
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Feb 6, 2010 8:01 AM

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OrochiPL said:
zinvince said:
I feel something bad gonna happen for the next episode, when Isuzu carelessly told Hiro that her brother was murdered

Carelessly? No, she hesitated, she couldn't take it anymore and then she said this to Hiro.

I thought she just waited for Nemuru to pass by. Suzu does supect her, huh... I'm starting to like her more now. ^^
 
Feb 6, 2010 8:35 AM

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Jumperboy333 said:
OrochiPL said:
zinvince said:
I feel something bad gonna happen for the next episode, when Isuzu carelessly told Hiro that her brother was murdered

Carelessly? No, she hesitated, she couldn't take it anymore and then she said this to Hiro.

I thought she just waited for Nemuru to pass by. Suzu does supect her, huh... I'm starting to like her more now. ^^

That too, i like her more. ;]
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Feb 6, 2010 9:06 AM

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im maybe only one but these 5 episodes feel kinda boring.dont get me wrong.i like this series but i hope something would happen :/

Wait, so you didn't find the latest 2 episodes satisfying? Something actually did happen in those 2. o___o
 
Feb 6, 2010 10:14 AM

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Hevimosher said:
im maybe only one but these 5 episodes feel kinda boring.dont get me wrong.i like this series but i hope something would happen :/

Wait, so you didn't find the latest 2 episodes satisfying? Something actually did happen in those 2. o___o

well they were pretty good but very disturbing (referring that gayish Issei)

Ehh... people don't stop complaining about Issei, leave him already, we know that he just "likes to move his body" xD
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Feb 6, 2010 10:31 AM

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Interesting theories posted here...the most plausible one is the Hassaku commercial... An interesting episode, if not for Hakase's voice. I like Kobayashi Yuu's voice acting yet sometimes she slips up a bit.

LOL at the movie trailer Mana and her father was watching and Issei Spiderwolf. Yay Hassaku commercial.
 
Feb 6, 2010 11:07 AM

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desolato said:
Did you happen to miss my 'awesome' post. :p
desolato said:
Wait, hold it. Is that.. the laugh of Accelerator?
Now THIS made me LOL.

Indeed I did.
 
Feb 6, 2010 11:43 AM

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desolato said:
Now THIS made me LOL.


You are my idol for posting that. xD
 
Feb 6, 2010 3:42 PM

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The cicadas in the background make this so much more Higurashi like.



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Feb 6, 2010 4:49 PM

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Oh hey, Hiroshi. Can you bin yourself too while you're out there? Thanks.
 
Feb 6, 2010 5:08 PM

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Good ep. Good to see that the Hassaku ad is still airing!

I still would like to believe that sythe girl isn't Nemuru... I mean... it's RyuKishi right? It shouldn't be that straightforward right???

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Oh hey, Hiroshi. Can you bin yourself too while you're out there? Thanks.


Haha. Win.


 
Feb 6, 2010 5:13 PM

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I stand corrected. I apologize to everyone who got offended when I called this show garbage. It just dawned on me that this show is a giant allegory for HIV. How could I have been so blind? This is a masterpiece.

Really though, why did Hiro choose to run away from the apartment building instead of inside? This kid is dumb, but I guess there was enough development to just have him run away. Other plot points were obvious, but everyone's already mentioned them.

Pretty boring episode until the end. Isuzu is dumb.
 
Feb 6, 2010 5:51 PM
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I still believe Issei havent died!!!!!(how can a handsome guy die so fast..)
 
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I stand corrected. I apologize to everyone who got offended when I called this show garbage. It just dawned on me that this show is a giant allegory for HIV. How could I have been so blind? This is a masterpiece.
Don't worry I was blind and stupid to Nemuru's job....she is doing something that is far more painful and suffering than I even realized myself in the first place.
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I still believe Issei havent died!!!!!(how can a handsome guy die so fast..)
He will live forever on in heavens for his curse was not his fault nor his own problem....it was all of it due to disease that was hereditary or is most likely since he is not the only one who has that problem.

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Feb 7, 2010 6:16 AM

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The Higurashi vibe is starting to surfacing.

Well, i started kinda like this, ryukishi-sensei using another disease to became the psycho factor eh ? oh, and there were yamainu lol
 
Feb 7, 2010 11:22 AM

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The way they handle the disease is stupid, but OK, at least the show is entertaining.
 
Feb 7, 2010 2:14 PM

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The Higurashi vibe is starting to surfacing.

The Higurashi vibe's been there since the first episode.
 
Feb 8, 2010 8:22 AM

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quite iteresting but doesnt any1 agree with me dat issei looks a pedofile???hes weird...
 
Feb 8, 2010 8:43 AM

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Lind_L_Tailor said:
yamato21 said:
The Higurashi vibe is starting to surfacing.

The Higurashi vibe's been there since the first episode.

If you think there's been a Higurashi fibe all along, then why'd you rate it a 3?
 
Feb 8, 2010 10:18 AM

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second half of the episode was FILLED with Narm. First half wasn't so bad.

I'm glad Issei "moved away". Although i'll miss the lulz he brings.

RETURN OF THE HASSAKU COMMERCIAL <3 TwT
It was so annoying in the first two episodes, then it didn't play for the next two and I missed it.
It's one of the best things about this piece of crap, anyway. :D
 
Feb 8, 2010 12:01 PM
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Now, this is horror! Finally. I loved this episode so much, for me, this might be the best of the season.
 
Feb 8, 2010 1:01 PM

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Definitely my favorite episode so far. There is some serious damage control going on in this town. What the hell happens to these people when they're kissed?! And why didn't Isuzu keep her mouth shut. Strangely I've grown to like her over these past 5 episodes. But her defiant streaks make me think she's not long for this world.

 
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Issei's gone mad, surprise ┐(-。ー')┌
And the whole class looks like a bunch of mindless zombies... Oh right, wolves ┐( ̄ー ̄)┌
Oh, and now it's time for Issei to die, eh? ヽ(´ー`)ノ
What the crap? Since when did Issei become spiderman? And what the crap? No seriously, what the crap? Some things are just... Really stupid (¬_¬)
Almost raep-tiem as well \|  ̄ヘ ̄|/
And right now, the only redeeming feature of this series, is Kana-chan, and the fact that it doesn't remind me of 11eyes. ಠ_ಠ
Oh and ~Hassaku! Hassaku! Jouga's Hassaku! Sour! Sour! Sou-u-u-ur!~ ⊂( ゚ヮ゚)⊃
Tl;dr meh episode, because most pieces have already fallen together. (ΘεΘ;) Unlike FMA ch. 104 which was pretty damn awesome! ٩(̾●̮̮̃̾•̃̾)۶
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Has it gotten better?... Damn, I'm not suppose to think like that. It was awkward laughing and shocked and the same time... :/ Issei's dance party..

First 4 episode = Garbage
This one = Ryukishi07's back, and disappeared again at the end.

Thus, garbage.

Still, all the characters are such an annoyance.

and... I feel HIV here. Seriously.
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and... I feel HIV here. Seriously.
Feeling also crossed my mind on that one.

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Feb 9, 2010 10:34 PM

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I`m starting to enjoy this. Things are happening. I REALLY don`t want a higurashi clone with resets and whatnot. I`d be entirely content to have one good storyline.
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Does anyone know whether or not there will be bad ends? I'm aware that we can only gather things from what has aired so far, but I hear there is a game. Anything?
 
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Does anyone know whether or not there will be bad ends? I'm aware that we can only gather things from what has aired so far, but I hear there is a game. Anything?
I know but if you want to know...you will know all about this anime....which can spoiler you but there are bad ends. I am hoping for either whole annihilation thing or something happy but it will never be 100% happy in this serie due to it content.

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Well, another person was gone over the deep end and the iron law is carried out.

The Vigilance Committee sorta remind loosely of the Yamainu from Higurashi...

The scenes for the next episode seem to add a potential conflict for scythe-girl and a currently unknown opponent...

I don't think the series so far is a murder mystery like Ryukishi07's previous works, but it has the suspense, horror, and supernaturalness is definitely present...
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Cool episode. Finally making progress, although it's about time considering we're nearly halfway through the series.

I suppose this isn't going to be much of an intellectual murder mystery anime like I initially thought it would be.

EDIT: Yikes, xelloss said it 22 seconds before me.
 
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Does anyone know whether or not there will be bad ends? I'm aware that we can only gather things from what has aired so far, but I hear there is a game. Anything?


There are bad ends in the game. I have no idea which ending the anime will have.
 
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hirahira said:
DeusExMachina said:
Does anyone know whether or not there will be bad ends? I'm aware that we can only gather things from what has aired so far, but I hear there is a game. Anything?


There are bad ends in the game. I have no idea which ending the anime will have.


Well it will be more or less anime original as many things from different pathes have already happened, but you can narrow the basic structure it will be following down to 3 possible endings...
We'll see and basically any of them is good.
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I'm hoping for 26 episodes with a few resets :p
Also hoping the gay dude dies first if it does happen.
 
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I'm beginning to see why everyone in this town is going crazy...

They have to listen to "HASSAKU! HASSAKU!" everyday!

Also, creepy when Issei crawled down that building.
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hirahira said:
DeusExMachina said:
Does anyone know whether or not there will be bad ends? I'm aware that we can only gather things from what has aired so far, but I hear there is a game. Anything?


There are bad ends in the game. I have no idea which ending the anime will have.


Thank you. (:
 
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hope this would get more interesting.


 
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If you think there's been a Higurashi fibe all along, then why'd you rate it a 3?

Because it's been a poor quality ripoff of Higurashi from day 1.

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second half of the episode was FILLED with Narm. First half wasn't so bad.


I see we have a troper.

I actually filled in all the Narm entries for Ookami Kakushi on TVTropes. /showoff

And yeah, they're all from the 2nd half.
 
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I have decided that this isn't a bad anime per say.
It is just trying too hard ...

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