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Oct 2, 2016 2:56 PM

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IzayaUzumaki said:
If goku died way back in future trunks timeline...then how did zamasu even encounter goku?
I mean zamasu's hatred for humans was intrigued after dueling goku
but if goku is long dead in future trunks timeline..how the hell did zamasu even know about goku? Confusing!

Exactly. This is way too confusing.
Oct 2, 2016 3:25 PM

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IzayaUzumaki said:
If goku died way back in future trunks timeline...then how did zamasu even encounter goku?
I mean zamasu's hatred for humans was intrigued after dueling goku
but if goku is long dead in future trunks timeline..how the hell did zamasu even know about goku? Confusing!
This is quite the paradox to begin with aswell. In the first place, Zamasu only learned about Goku due to Black Goku having a similar Ki, but how would Goku of that timeline ever have a reason to see Zamasu and why his Ki is similar to Black Goku, if he never encountered them?

Well anyway, this was definitely a surprise but also a weird twist...who the hell is that Zamasu then?
Oct 2, 2016 3:42 PM

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Horrible twist that was executed in a very bad way. They may explain it deeper, but it will likely be a BS explanation. Sigh, this arc had hope too.
Oct 2, 2016 6:10 PM

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Hmm that felt really slow the first half. Big Trunks telling little Trunks about his future. But also like some people here mentioned the thing with Black and Zamaus is at some points pretty confusing.

I really want to know in which timeline Zamasu killed Goku after he changed the body with him. I hope they will explain more details to it.

The second half of the episode was okay, even if I can't understand why they represent characters like Goku and Vegeta like 15 year olds. Goku never kissed before? What a joke. In DBZ (don't ask me which episode exactly) after he was cured from his heart disease he definitely kissed Chichi in Muten Roshis house. You don't see it, but Muten-Roshis reaction there let you guess what happened. That was a little bit weird for me to see. I know they want to make it funny but that was definitely missplaced in my opinion.

Anyway, can't wait to see round 2 against Black and Zamasu.

Oct 2, 2016 6:39 PM

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Lmao so goku never kissed chi chi? XDDDD
Oct 2, 2016 6:40 PM

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Natsu88 said:
Hmm that felt really slow the first half. Big Trunks telling little Trunks about his future. But also like some people here mentioned the thing with Black and Zamaus is at some points pretty confusing.

I really want to know in which timeline Zamasu killed Goku after he changed the body with him. I hope they will explain more details to it.

The second half of the episode was okay, even if I can't understand why they represent characters like Goku and Vegeta like 15 year olds. Goku never kissed before? What a joke. In DBZ (don't ask me which episode exactly) after he was cured from his heart disease he definitely kissed Chichi in Muten Roshis house. You don't see it, but Muten-Roshis reaction there let you guess what happened. That was a little bit weird for me to see. I know they want to make it funny but that was definitely missplaced in my opinion.

Anyway, can't wait to see round 2 against Black and Zamasu.


Dragon Ball just defies logic and this episode confirms without a doubt that Super is a complete mess. Its nearing DBGT mess area now.
Oct 2, 2016 8:09 PM

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You can't guess how relieved I am for this episode to exist, even with the pacing issues. Because I'm glad the characters realize that Future Trunks timeline is an alternative world and that it was mentioned and made clear.
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MoaMahriMatoro said:
I'm really starting to think that for once Goku won't defeat the final villain, and it'll be trunks

it should be trunks
I want this to happen too... It does not make sense in terms of protecting he Future Trunks earth if Goku or Vegeta take care of his problem... It will not solve his upcoming problems, Imagine Trunks traveling to the past every time he encountered a problem (he needs to be/become the Son Goku of that timeline [resolve his own problem]) that is not character development that is going backwards.

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Well given that Goku was already dead in that timeline, I can only think he was brought back to life and then switched. As for the Zamasu I have no clue either.

Black isn't from Trunks's timeline.
Trunk's Timeline:Goku is dead
Goku's timeline: Goku is alive.
Cell's timeline: Goku and future trunks are dead.
Unseen timeline: Goku is alive.

Black is probably from the unseen timeline, the timeline where the future Trunks ,that died, went.
In this timeline, Goku is alive.

There is maybe a fifth timeline since Gowasu mentionned a new timeline being created recently and there is the time ring + 4 other green ring.
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Jotakak said:
I'm honestly surprised Goku even has kids. He doesn't seem interested in sexual/romantic stuff at all so finding out he's never kissed Chichi wasn't that surprising. It's funny because it actually makes sense. Vegeta's reaction though was hilarious! It screamed, "Bulma would never let me get away with that!"
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Oct 2, 2016 10:14 PM

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Stash said:
This series is becoming more complicated than Kingdom Hearts.


Ohh, is Kingdom Hearts a good anime? One of my friend also suggested it in the past, I guess.
I just searched, it only has manga, no anime, right?
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Wait a minute Goku has kissed Chi Chi. At least it appears so wasn't shown but it was in Z I think after Goku had recovered from the heart condition in Master Roshi's house and Roshi was looking at them. Dunno if it was shown in the manga but in the anime it appears to be so.


Maybe it's another one of those where the author completely forgot about it if it was in the manga too. And in Dragon Ball Chi Chi kisses him on the cheek during their teen years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0HKCxfwkmM At least this was closest we may get. I don't really get it even with scenes like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5klZaxCWRo
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Oct 2, 2016 10:26 PM

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Jotakak said:
I'm honestly surprised Goku even has kids. He doesn't seem interested in sexual/romantic stuff at all so finding out he's never kissed Chichi wasn't that surprising. It's funny because it actually makes sense. Vegeta's reaction though was hilarious! It screamed, "Bulma would never let me get away with that!"
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hihi, I am not sure, in the anime version atleast, Goku kissed Chichi during their marriage in DB and in the Cell saga :P But the kiss was not seen clearly. Or he might have forgotten about it after getting beaten on the head by the likes of Majin Buu and Hit.
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Oct 3, 2016 1:05 AM

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IzayaUzumaki said:
If goku died way back in future trunks timeline...then how did zamasu even encounter goku?
I mean zamasu's hatred for humans was intrigued after dueling goku
but if goku is long dead in future trunks timeline..how the hell did zamasu even know about goku? Confusing!
This is quite the paradox to begin with aswell. In the first place, Zamasu only learned about Goku due to Black Goku having a similar Ki, but how would Goku of that timeline ever have a reason to see Zamasu and why his Ki is similar to Black Goku, if he never encountered them?

Well anyway, this was definitely a surprise but also a weird twist...who the hell is that Zamasu then?


Well I think anyone who aren't reading the manga of DBS will get really confused.

So anyone who watch DBS should read the manga.
Oct 3, 2016 2:44 AM

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I haven't read the manga and I'm not reading the spoiler tags, but I'm pretty sure that the explanation is going to be that Black is from yet another timeline where Goku didn't die of heart disease.

Going to just wait for the show to give an explanation before criticizing that there are plot holes or whatnot.
Oct 3, 2016 8:10 AM

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radle said:
Wait a minute Goku has kissed Chi Chi. At least it appears so wasn't shown but it was in Z I think after Goku had recovered from the heart condition in Master Roshi's house and Roshi was looking at them. Dunno if it was shown in the manga but in the anime it appears to be so.


Maybe it's another one of those where the author completely forgot about it if it was in the manga too. And in Dragon Ball Chi Chi kisses him on the cheek during their teen years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0HKCxfwkmM At least this was closest we may get. I don't really get it even with scenes like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5klZaxCWRo


toriyama has forgotten more than that

he probably did

or maybe just goku himself forgot, it was a while ago
Oct 3, 2016 8:11 AM

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Such a shocking episode, Goku never kissed lol.
Slow episode as always..
Oct 3, 2016 9:02 AM

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Oct 3, 2016 10:46 AM

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Dat kiss tho. So Goku never kissed his wife!? Damn.
Oct 3, 2016 2:22 PM

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bullshit, I could've sworn Goku has kissed Chi chi before
Oct 3, 2016 6:10 PM

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JSlick said:
bullshit, I could've sworn Goku has kissed Chi chi before

Check out my post mine up a few posts from yours. #60 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1557945&show=50#msg48008007


I thought that was legit animation. Dam it was good.
Oct 3, 2016 7:04 PM

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Sentry_1337 said:
Our both the mystery and in the end it was so, well weak I expected something more surprising. Now I was thinking who is the zamasu of the future? Since Beerus killed him in the present, it may be zamasu of another line of time and prior to the Zamasu in the body of Goku was present to speak with him using the ring, but he had not died? I was kind of confused.


I'm kind of confused as well... At least they talked about the existence of many timelines... I might like everything else except this.
Oct 3, 2016 8:55 PM
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maybe goku only had kissed chichi without using the tongue (example of dbz in cell saga). when trunks "kisses" mai, I guess he uses the tongue to make the senzu bean enter her throath and this may look strange to goku.
about black, i think zamasu used his ring to go back in time when goku was still alive, before dying from the heart disease. so, he changes goku's weak heart and after that he makes the wish to change the whole body with the super dragon balls. then he goes back to the present, but still can't explain the other zamasu. there's a connection between them because they're using earrings as if they're planning to make a fusion
Oct 3, 2016 11:54 PM
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God-of-destruction dammit! I should've known this was just another tease! They really dragged this out, which would've been OK for a fight or important exposition but this was just more food porn, goofing off, and sappy romance. The so called "reveal" wasn't anything more than we already knew! They just tried to throw us off the trail with the previous episode, then acted like his ID was a surprise. HOGWASH! At this point I don't even care who Black is or how he exists. I just want to see them FIGHT for crying out loud!

Full Analysis: https://thefletchzone.wordpress.com/2016/10/04/dbsuper-60-another-tease/
Oct 4, 2016 1:36 AM

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I can imagine Goku being pretty disinterested/clueless during sex if he never kissed Chichi. Probably just layed there while Chichi did the deed and got preggo (twice)...so sounds legit to me lol.
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Oct 4, 2016 9:14 AM

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I can imagine Goku being pretty disinterested/clueless during sex if he never kissed Chichi. Probably just layed there while Chichi did the deed and got preggo (twice)...so sounds legit to me lol.
Thats boring asf tho
Oct 4, 2016 10:01 AM

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Tbh, I really want to see more of Gohan and Goten. This might sound dark but maybe Videl should die just so Gohan gets some sense knocked into him. I remember he said he get back into shape, but no sign of that. And Goten has no action, whatsoever.
Oct 4, 2016 1:37 PM

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More than 3/4 of this episode is not important at all.
So Goku's body is now green guy and real Goku is dead.
This mean if they make a wish change back body...Goku can go super rose?
Interesting...
Oct 4, 2016 9:28 PM

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How to make a promising saga boring as shit: The Episode.

90/10 filler/content. $2 animation. Awfully explained plot twist. Goku's IQ keeps dropping for some reason.

nihil sub sole novum

Went from a 4.5 to a 4.
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Gotta slow down to match the pacing of the Manga counterpart. Too much "funny" cliches made Goku dumb. Gotta wait for the Manga for better explanations about the time traveing Zamasu,multiverses, and the wishes that been made.
Oct 5, 2016 12:31 AM

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wow worst episode in a long time. Was I just really drunk last night or was the animation derpy again? Probably both..

I actually enjoyed it so far and I think the plot has potential, even if it has a lot of mistakes. BUT the way they make goku into the dumbest beeing in existince is just annoying. Yes he never was the book smart guy like gohan. But he never was a 2 year old in the head as well. Goku has 2 childs. TWO. He is married to Chi Chi for like 20 years or something and you tell me he never kissed her? I mean its chi chi.
Its like the creator only watched the DBZ abridged version and totally thought goku is brain dead.
Dropped to 7 because this really is shit.
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Oct 5, 2016 5:35 AM

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Black is from the unseen timeline.
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The future didn't change.....how is that not suprising,
though i have to say it was a fun episode.
Oct 8, 2016 1:42 AM
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dormantking said:
Stash said:
This series is becoming more complicated than Kingdom Hearts.


Ohh, is Kingdom Hearts a good anime? One of my friend also suggested it in the past, I guess.
I just searched, it only has manga, no anime, right?


Kingdom Hearts is a video game series.
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dormantking said:


Ohh, is Kingdom Hearts a good anime? One of my friend also suggested it in the past, I guess.
I just searched, it only has manga, no anime, right?


Kingdom Hearts is a video game series.


Ya, I did a quick search and understood that. The possibility of an anime excited me for some moments :(
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Tyestor said:


Kingdom Hearts is a video game series.


Ya, I did a quick search and understood that. The possibility of an anime excited me for some moments :(


Kingdom Hearts is my favourite video game series of all time (KH2 my favourite game of all time). You have no idea how much I want an anime of it. It probably wouldn't be very good though, lol.
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hold up Goku never kissed Chi Chi? seriously?! lol
Oct 11, 2016 8:41 PM

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hold up Goku never kissed Chi Chi? seriously?! lol

Na, he did during cell saga. I am pretty sure he forgot or Toriyama forgot. Or else Chi Chi might be kissing him in some other way. That woman is almost bat shit crazy, stalking Goku since 10 years old... You know what I mean :P
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Adult Trunks and young Trunks conversation was beautifully done!
Kyaaa! OMG Trunks kissed Mai lips to lips like its nothing!
This episode confirms that Son Goku is a virgin because they didn't kissed with ChiChi even though they're married. LOL at the reaction of Vegeta! embarrassed because even he didn't expect that Goku doesn't know how to kiss! LOLOLOLZ!
OMG! I didn't expect that revelation from Black! the real body of Goku is really on Black and the Soul is Zamasu which is swapped from Goku? oh man even I'm confused now!
5/5!


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Time travel is always a complicated topic, even in good shows. And as expected a bad show like this makes a complete mess out of it. Also Beerus is an idiot, "a god killing a god definitely will change the future"...
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Well some things are strange since I though goku was already dead before they can switch bodies

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Hilarious when the four try to travel in the machine!!! xD
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lol at both Trunks answering.
Vegeta broke the fork.
Trunks explains to Trunks.
Trunks thanks Beers.
Bulma is coming?
Bulma is getting smooshed? What in the Bang Bros. is going on?
Dat chick with the blonde hair is cute.
The future is the same.
Goku fell out.
Black and Zamasu sense them.
Mai is hurt.
Dat feed.
lol at Goku surprised Trunks did that.
lol at Vegeta asking Goku if he's never done that before.
Goku never kissed Chichi? Oh shit!!!!!!!!
LMAO at Goku saying does that got something to do with it? Where's the lie?
Bulma sees Yajirobe.
Belma holds Mai's hand.
Vegeta attacks Black.
Black isn't a fake copy?
Its actually Goku's body.
The mind is Zamasu?
Goku and Zamasu switched bodies?
He killed Goku.

Well, if Goku doesn't recognize adult Mai then Bulma certainly wouldn't. New ED is good.
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Damn you, Goku. Never kissed anyone not even ChiChi?
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"But the future refused to change."

Geez, this really makes me want to replay Chrono Trigger.
Jul 22, 2022 3:09 AM

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Goku should fuse with Vegeta to defeat them. I like that kissing scene that was hilarious.
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oh, this is the episode where vegeta scolds goku because he confessed to never kissing chichi? Pretty sure this conversation got triggered because Mai needed a sensu bean and Future Trunks fed it to her by kissing. weird but ok

Can I ask that Goku has been with chichi since the end of the dragon ball franchise iirc and not one single kiss?

Damn, they are husband and wife with 2 children
How can you possibly have 2 children without kissing wtf... Well it's possible but extremely weird

I think he has kissed chichi before, it's just toriyama making goku retarded......
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So Goku Black's actually Zamasu. But who is that other Zamasu?.. I still can't figure that out.
Goku is so dumb. He doesn't even know what kissing is and yet he's got kids?
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Goku has kids but never kissed somebody hmmm....
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Coku Black is Zamasu? Huh?
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