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Sep 30, 2016 6:06 AM

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Sherlupin said:
Naegi lost Kirigiri, and Hajime lost Chiaki :(


You must've stopped at a certain point during the ending of the episode, because Kirigiri's still alive.
 
Sep 30, 2016 6:17 AM

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AmyTwo said:
Sherlupin said:
Naegi lost Kirigiri, and Hajime lost Chiaki :(


You must've stopped at a certain point during the ending of the episode, because Kirigiri's still alive.


yeah, I hadn't got to that part before commenting so nvm
 
Sep 30, 2016 6:26 AM

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the only one with good ending is hinata, get all his friends back and become super human
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Sep 30, 2016 6:29 AM

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Also, they never brought up or hinted the 13th director, did they?
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Sep 30, 2016 6:32 AM

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GangsterCat said:
the only one with good ending is hinata, get all his friends back and become super human


Tbh, he deserved it after losing best girl and waifu Chiaki...
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Sep 30, 2016 6:33 AM
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Also, they never brought up or hinted the 13th director, did they?


Nope. Forever a mystery.

It's kinda bothersome, but they probably weren't important anyways. Unless they show up in V3. Never know.
 
Sep 30, 2016 6:49 AM
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There are two kind of people after watch this ending.
1. Kirigiri's fan (give 10/10)
2. Only care about story ( 6 or lower )


I'm the one that cares for the second option, although I'm giving this an 8 due to how things, even though there wasn't much answered, I think it was nice to wrap things up.
 
Sep 30, 2016 6:50 AM

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Sakaiiiii said:
There are two kind of people after watch this ending.
1. Kirigiri's fan (give 10/10)
2. Only care about story ( 6 or lower )


I would have given it a 10/10 even if Kirigiri stayed dead
 
Sep 30, 2016 6:52 AM

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This whole thing was messy, very very messy. I like it and I can appreciate it as being part of Kodaka's vision but I didn't love this conclusion at all. I hated the brainwashing plot. The only one that should have been brainwashed was Chisa, that was ok, but everyone? No that's overkill, I had imagined Junko to be better than that in terms of influencing people into despair. I would have liked the remnants of despair to be different now they are older and have been though this ordeal but they are the same as they were in Hope's Peak Academy. They even look the same and we were made to believe they had mutilated their bodies after Junko died. I would have liked to get a conclusion for the despair girls story line. Are the monokuma kids still being mind controlled? Are the adults still vengeful? Is Monaca just going to stay in space forever? Who is looking after the warriors of hope? What happened to Leon's cousin? What the hell happened to Naegi's parents? I wanted to know more about the Future Foundation members but most of them were killed off without any development. I wanted to see how the Ultimate Despairs were spreading despair across the world. The final confrontation with Mitarai was so boring. The only good thing about this episode was seeing the sdr2 cast having fun and interacting with each other which could have been accomplished if they gave us a faithful sdr2 the animation. I think this whole thing would have been better if they scrapped the whole Junko brainwashing everyone plot, and just gave Zetsubou-hen and Mirai-hen 24 episodes each. They tried to jam so much in that it was overwhelming and lost impact.
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Sep 30, 2016 7:03 AM

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I confess that I expected a bit more, but to close the series (or even the franchise) was satisfactory, it was not a happy ending, but did not feel a tense climate, enjoyed seeing all of the class 77 together again, I'm only sad because I wanted an anime version of Super Dangan Ronpa, but it is virtually impossible. Anyway, I feel DR miss.

episode Notes:
- I half unnecessary struggles of the remnants of despair
- Hinata in the end it is still the super student level hope, but I think he left his legacy to Naegi
- Live Kirigiri was too much to force the bar, made only for the fans do not give rage, finally
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Sep 30, 2016 7:22 AM

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I...I'm not crying...My eyes are just a little sweaty...
 
Sep 30, 2016 7:41 AM

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Mikuo_Chan said:


I agree with you mostly but there are some issues with the whole anime adaptation thing..SRD2 anime adaptation is a terrible idea.It just doesn't work well even with 24 episodes they just cannot make a great adaptation without cutting so much there is just way too much content development and depth in the game.Investigations,free time events and so on.The game just doesn't work as an anime so seeing them all happy together was kinda a great fanservice moment for those who played the games.Plus they don't have enough budget to animate SDR2 and DR3 them both that's just not happening.

I do agree Chisa's brainwash was on point and she should've been the only one to be brainwashed from the main cast.It all makes sense since Mukuro did lobotimize,her eyes were pinned open and combine with the technique...That was great but for the 77th class..Meh...

I also hated how they concluded DR:AE but that is kinda Future-side's fault not this epilogue episode's.I think we should consider this episode as alone there was no way to explain all the plot holes ,inconsistencies,unanswered questions with just 1 episode even if it was an hour long.

I wish they gave both of the arcs proper 24 episodes too but I think it was because of the budget issues since animation and pacing was lack luster in some episodes.Unless the animators and Kodaka just rushed the sh*t out of it on purpose if that is the case then I would be very pissed but still I think it was because of the budget issues.
 
Sep 30, 2016 7:52 AM

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Ketuekigami said:
The sad thing is that now when V3 comes out, I wont be able to take any deaths seriously because now there is precedent for dead characters to not be dead anymore. Why should I care when they die if the writer has a history of just bringing them back?.
only one person died in 2 and they stayed dead. Kirigiri was more a fake out but there was a few foreshadows at her survival that people called immediately.

If they brought back chisa or any of the DR1 cast then you'd have a point, but no one has been brought back from the dead. I do agree fake out deaths are cheap and id prefer they never of done it to kirigiri cause the finale would of been better without it. But V3 isnt going to pull this again since 2 was kind of a odd one out with how it was all in VR.
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Sep 30, 2016 7:58 AM

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hiro mashima wrote this final episode
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Sep 30, 2016 8:59 AM

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Only issue I really have with this is the fact that, after all that happened, they decided to keep Hope's Peak open. Can't complain much about Kirigiri surviving after all, as it's been pretty obvious for a while now, though I don't see the point of killing someone off if you haven't got the guts to keep them dead.

Still, this was a good ending for our two casts, and that's all I could ask for after so much despair.

8/10
 
Sep 30, 2016 9:18 AM

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Ah, the Hope Arc. It truly was hopeful. I loved watching the 77th class finally in action even if they weren't insane at the time.

Good thing I did some researching about the games before watching this. The sudden appearance of Hinata and the ex-remnants and the people from the Future Foundation they were fighting almost made me confused about what happened. There were a lot of events leading to this that were left out, leading to some questions being left unanswered, I suppose. Nonetheless, I enjoyed watching it.

No one died this episode and everything went surprisingly well. I can't help but wonder about Monaca in space lol.

Chiaki simulation proves that she still exists within our hearts~

Turns out Kirigiri really was alive~ I hoped that would be the case since the bottle's by her body and her body wasn't shown along the other dead ones at the last Future ep. A happy ending indeed ♡








 
Sep 30, 2016 9:33 AM

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Annnndddd the bitch lived after all... god damn it. Oh well, at least the DR2 characters are alive and kicking :) (even though it should be really awkward as half of them tried to kill the other half and... well... the shit Nagito did)
 
Sep 30, 2016 9:35 AM

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Kajo_Senpai69 said:
can't help but wonder about Monaca in space lol.

Holy shit, I forgot about her! What happened to her?! I wish we could have at least seen a scene of the other kids wanting her to come back down or something. Holy fuck, she's stuck up there all alone. So sad.
 
Sep 30, 2016 9:46 AM

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yes.... that was a good end..... well I hope the make an animation of danganronpa 2 too.... but I am just expecting too much
 
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To summarize it in a few words:

DR3 as a whole was not a bad anime, but it does not live up to the title of "Grand finale of the Hope vs Despair saga"...
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Danganronpa 3: The End of Kibougamine Gakuen Finale Kibou-hen Roundup:

Kohichi Kizakura - Deceased
Cause of Death: Poisoned by NG Code
NG Code: Opening left hand

Sonosuke Izayoi - Deceased
Cause of Death: Poisoned by NG Code
NG Code: Eating food

Daisaku Bandai - Deceased
Cause of Death: Poisoned by NG Code
NG Code: Witnessing violence by participants

Chisa Yukizome - Deceased
Cause of Death: Sacrificed
NG Code: Kyosuke Munakata dying

Great Gozu - Deceased
Cause of Death: Sacrificed
NG Code: Being pinned to the ground for a three count

Seiko Kimura - Deceased
Cause of Death: Sacrificed
NG Code: Someone standing on your shadow

Ruruka Ando - Deceased
Cause of Death: Sacrificed
NG Code: Someone leaving the playing field

Juzo Sakakura - Deceased
Cause of Death: Stabbed by Munakata, bled out
NG Code: Fighting someone bare-handed

Kazuo Tengan - Deceased
Cause of Death: Throat slit by Munakata
NG Code: Telling a lie

Byakuya Togami - Active
Situation: Rebuilding Hope's Peak Academy with Komaru, Hagakure, Asahina and Toko, likely became the new leader of the Future Foundation

Makoto Naegi - Active
Situation: Became the Headmaster of Hope's Peak Academy and is likely going to be doing the first sort of Opening Ceremony speech with Kirigiri since the reopening of the school

Kyoko Kirigiri - Active (Regrettably)
Situation: Probably became the Vice-Headmaster and is probably also going to the Opening Ceremony with Makoto

Aoi Asahina - Active
Situation: Rebuilding Hope's Peak Academy with Hagakure, Byakuya, Komaru and Toko

Toko Fukawa - Active
Situation: Rebuilding Hope's Peak Academy with Hagakure, Asahina, Komaru and Byakuya

Komaru Naegi - Active
Situation: Rebuilding Hope's Peak Academy with Toko, Byakuya, Asahina and Hagakure

Kyosuke Munakata - Active
Situation: Who knows. Seems like he's going to became a wandering swordsman of sorts

Yasuhiro Hagakure - Active
Situation: Rebuilding Hope's Peak Academy with Byakuya, Komaru, Asahina and Toko

Hajiru Kamunata - Active
Situation: Heading to Jabberwock Island with the 77th Class

Ryota Mitarai - Active
Situation: (Likely) going to Jabberwock Island with the 77th Class

Nagito Komaeda - Active
Situation: Heading to Jabberwock Island with the 77th Class

Mikan Tsumiki - Active
Situation: Heading to Jabberwock Island with the 77th Class

Peko Pekoyama - Active
Situation: Heading to Jabberwock Island with the 77th Class

Hiyoko Saionji - Active
Situation: Heading to Jabberwock Island with the 77th Class

Teruteru Hanamura - Active
Situation: Heading to Jabberwock Island with the 77th Class

Sonia Nevermind - Active
Situation: Heading to Jabberwock Island with the 77th Class

Kazuichi Souda - Active
Situation: Heading to Jabberwock Island with the 77th Class

Akane Owari - Active
Situation: Heading to Jabberwock Island with the 77th Class

Nekomaru Nidai - Active
Situation: Heading to Jabberwock Island with the 77th Class

Ultimate Imposter - Active
Situation: Heading to Jabberwock Island with the 77th Class

Ibuki Miyoda - Active
Situation: Heading to Jabberwock Island with the 77th Class

Nekomaru Nidai - Active
Situation: Heading to Jabberwock Island with the 77th Class

Mahiru Koizumi - Active
Situation: Heading to Jabberwock Island with the 77th Class

Gundham Tanaka - Active
Situation: Heading to Jabberwock Island with the 77th Class

Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu - Active
Situation: Heading to Jabberwock Island with the 77th Class


And that my friends. Is The End of Hope's Peak Academy.

As I will be collectively rating all three arcs a very solid and possibly even generous 9/10.
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So everyone is mad at Kyoko being alive, but nobody flinches a finger about the rest of the 77th being alive WITH NO EXPLANATION WHATSOEVER....Sigh.

I give this whole series a 10/10 because of how fun was seeing ALL of the characters being animated, even though some of them barely did something to do.

Now for the wait of the V3 game.
 
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I think that the future with the hope arc lacked 2 things: logic and reason.

It´s just an anime, so I don´t want it to be realistic, but even if you creat an imaginary world and fill it with rules then at least stick to them.
In the games every detail on the dead bodies was a clue, but there the clues on the dead bodies completely contradicted the story. Seiko´s and Ruruka´s death scenery somehow fits, but Chisa´s and Gozu´s is just nonsensical.
In Chisa´s case with a little complaining I can even accept, that she managed to get on the chandelier and stab herself on it without making it fall or she herself falling. But the thing which isn´t making sense is she crying blood from her eyes. Crying blood from the eyes can be cause by two things: very strong internal bleeding or a special poison. After stabbing your heart you can ´t really cause internal bleeding and you would die before it could happen, and there weren´t other physical injuries, so that would leave poisoning. But even Kyoko didn´t say anything about her being poisoned, so in short that means :
We have a effect but we´re missing the cause. And that´s just poor writing, they just added that detail to make her death more shocking, just as a decoration, and weren´t paying any heed to it.

In Gozu´s case it´s even simplier: After you stab yourself in the heart you die almost instantly and you simply don´t have the energy to get entangled on those cables, and after you are so much entangled in those cables you can´t hit your heart precisely because of the restrictions ( even more if your eyes are stabbed out ) But Kyoko says that at all of the victims ( maybe except Ruruka ) the cause of death is a single precise stab to the heart. Another strong contradiction.

And with Tengen´s story there are many lesser problems, but lets just describe the biggest one: He mentioned, that he didn´t plan and didn´t want Ryota to take part in the game. So if Ryota came abruptly he should´ve had one less bangle prepared than needed. If he wanted Ryota to just be the spectator of the game then it´s dumb again, because according to this he had the time to Prepare another bangle for him, but didn´t have time to Escort Ryota outside and make just a spectator from him. ( making his plan more viable )
And I still can´t understand why Tengan thought it would be better to make this game than to just kill Ryota take his video and broadcast it. I could list the contradictions from day to night, but I´ll better stop.

It wasn´t a bad series, but it can´t compete with the games. From my perspective it was just made to let us see all of the danganronpa characters again. Too bad that Kodaka wasn´t in full charge.
 
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MightyM16 said:
JizzyHitler said:
DR3 is definitely a story that only exsists because of persistent fans, .


Kodaka was actually thinking of doing an origin story ever since DR1 so you're wrong about that actually

MonoReaper said:
Overall this was a neat episodes. I was happy to to see and hear all the voice actors and 77th class members again.
Overall the small action scenes were just pure fun to watch.
And the end scene on the boat with everywone was just hearthwarming
Also Naegi being the next "Hopes Peak" Headmaster was somewhat ironic funny as well xD.

But..............it was only a good episodes for what it was. Fanservice.
As a final conclusion to the story it was just hollow.
It was neither really bad nor good it was just hollow.

1-Naegi was overall useless and did add nothing to the overall plot. The one who solved everything was Hajime not him. He just survived the killing game and changed Munakata from despair white and black hope to a grey Hope&Despair.

2-No final fight between Hopes vs. Desapir as Kodaka promised us

3-No KillerKiller characters that will show up in the anime as Kodaka promised us.

4-Heavy rekkon on some DR lore facst and explainations.

5-No explaination how the braindead characters could come back. I mean it is DR and i was so happy/hyped to see them. Overall that they are back (all from the 77th class) kinda contraticts the whole message/end from DR2 with their conclusoin they would neither choose Hope nor Despair but their own future.
Now the are on Hope side instead of choosing there own future.

6-In the whole Anime was no real villian. Just some crazy old man with extreme actions that justified his killing game for no real purpose other than kill of the leader who would fight eacher other at some point in the FF because of their problems. Still doseant justify killing nor does it make any more reasonable or ok.

7-Chisa was nothing more than a mindless puppet that set some things in motion but it didnt matter as well because she was no villian. She was merely a brainwashed puppet that showed up for only this Anime.

8-Like every FF leader was just meat for killing. We got from some characters really nice and good backstorys. But nope their only puprose was to create a killing game that had no real reason besides Tengans extreme crazy idear for the "purge".
Heck Miaya didnt even get a voice actor thats how much useless she was for the story/plot. And this is freaking sad.
They shoot their only capable (and living) villain in freaking space. And ignore the fact she killed so many people and can flee without any punishmed or conclusion to the whole DR:DespairGirls/AnotherEpisode Game.
No Kanon or anyone from the captives.
Nobody from the main cast died (thanks Kodaka for that honestly) but still for a narrative point of view. If you dont have the will/balls to kill one of your original cast. Than dont trick people with a fake dead 3 times in a row. I knew that plot armor was strong but this was over the top "Luck".

9-I mean the 78th class is still dead most of them. Why cant they come back as well if everybody comes back? It just felt like that for a moment.


10-One thing that still bother me Antagonist was written on the bottle. I dont know if it has the same meaning as i my motherlanguage but it means= villian/evil person and so on. So this was kinda conefusing for a medicine.


1- You can't be real, class 77 could only saved because of Naegi's hope, Togami said as much

2-he didn't promise any of that

3-Yeah, that's a bummer

4-There was no such thing

5- Izuru talked about this in this same episode, SDR2 ending also hinted it was possible

6-Junko was the villain, she wasn't alive in the Future arc but her influence through Chisa ruined the FF and made Tengan do what he did

7-Chisa caused the killing game and waspart of Munakata's motivation, she certainly wasn't an useless puppet

8-The fact that some of them died doesn't means they're useless

9- The 78th class is dead, the 77th was only in a coma

10-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antagonism_(chemistry)



1: What Naegi did in DR2 and in DR3 are two different things.

2: He did.

3: The only thing i can think about is the reveal of Kira Kira or that Killer Killer is the 13th branch leader that never showed up.

4: Yes there was

5:Being just in coma is one thing. Being braindead another thing. "cure" for braindead people is something that is for us impossible because we do not understand fully how the human brain works. Ofc Deus Ex Kamukura can cure them. And as Naegi in the end of DR2 said "Miracles always happens to people like them." Doeasnt change how absurd the thing is and it goes against the core message/conclusion of DR2.

6-7: Junko is dead. Junko cannot be the villian this time because she is dead. Chisa was just a brainwashed mindless puppet. Tengan was just a crazy old man that was triggered by the movie "purge". There was no real reason to kill everyone. No matter what you try to argue about this. Killing people is wrong and nothing justifys that. Nor does is make Tengan a villian. Just a crazy old man. Chisa is no villian because she does it not from her own will. She is just brainwashed nothing more nothing less.

8: They are useless. Because we will never see them again. Hopes Peak Story is over with this Anime. Kodaka said this that DR3 will be the conclusion for this entire story around Hopes Peak. And V3 will be a new chapter to DR with a new idear/concept and gameplay.
All these characters will never show up again. They were all killed like that for the sake of the killing game. They had no purpose to the overall plot of the story besided getting killed and creating drama/tension for "what may or may not happen to the DR1 cast". Miaya didtn even get a voice actress that how non-relevant for this entire Anime she was as a creator fo the NWP. She was just there to make Monaca show up as a robot.

9: Being brain dead and being dead is the same. It varies in some cases werre the patient is just in coma/sleeping. But if there is no brain activity than you are dead.
If your brain doeasnt work anymore you are dead. Nothing what you say or try to argue about that point is logical or anything near reality. Even if in the Anime they try to pull this off without answereing how they saved them . (I am really glad they are fine because i liked the DR2 cast more than the DR1 cast)

10: Thank you for the link this really confused me.
 
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ahh... whatever it is.. I love this ending although it is predictable.
After so much happened,they deserved to be happy.
Indeed, DR3 anime have lot of flaws here and there but still entertaining and some episodes are really good.
I cried at the half of it, when 77th class convinced Mitarai to stop spreading Hope video but then , quite anti-climatic second half.

So.. new Hope's Peak Academy eh? All the best Naegi and survivor of despair tragedy. i'm here cheering for all of you !!!
 
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Nice to see kirigiri alive, so seiko made the antidote but was unable to use it to the other?
 
Sep 30, 2016 11:28 AM
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77th class return... just to be used as plot devices.
Kirigiri return from death... Kodaka don't have balls to kill her.

This was just terrible. I hope that DRv3 would be much better. And I hope we will never again see Danganronpa in anime medium.
2/10


Well I guess you'll be disappointed to hear that they're making an anime OVA starring Nagito that's being released next year.
 
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I think when you have characters who's talents consists of "Luck" and "Hope", you're bound to have a few miracles. Miracles surround Nagito like the plague for one, and Izuru has the same talent. You effectively had the luckiest person in the world "braindead" and someone who had the same amount of luck who consisted of every other talent in the world other than "hope" alive and well in the same area, overseen by someone who's actual talent was "hope".

Ignoring our real world logic which doesn't apply to Danganronpa IN THE LEAST, how does this formula NOT result in a miracle?

Focusing on in-game logic, which doesn't adhere to our own logic, Izuru simply cured braindeath. There's a reason that not all people who are braindead are immediately sentenced to death. There's a reason Byakuya stated that their chances were low, and NOT that their chances were 0. At the very least, in a game of chance, you have the two people in the world that win games of chance 100% of the time.

As for "fake outs", they've been in the series since Danganronpa 1, so deal with it.
 
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AmyTwo said:
Kajo_Senpai69 said:
can't help but wonder about Monaca in space lol.

Holy shit, I forgot about her! What happened to her?! I wish we could have at least seen a scene of the other kids wanting her to come back down or something. Holy fuck, she's stuck up there all alone. So sad.


Oh please. This is Monaca we're talking about. She'll be fine alone. She won't give a damn. :P

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Ignoring our real world logic which doesn't apply to Danganronpa IN THE LEAST


I agree with your whole post, but OMG YES. THIS. SO. MUCH. Some people keep applying such stuff in Danganronpa when it comes to certain things like what would "logically" happen instead of what really happened in the anime or games while the sort of thing is nothing really new whatsoever, or the bunches of things as to what would possibly happen to a character if they did this instead of that when it never even implied any of the sort of things to ever happen in the anime (nor did it ever in the whole series regarding any character who fit the vague criteria I'm making). It's just silly to me.
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Oh, and I gave this an 8, and if I would have to rate this whole anime, it'd be a 7. They really should have made this an ending for the Future side, though, but whatever. I enjoyed it along with this whole shindig anyways.
 
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OMG.. Kirigiri is alive :)

 
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MonoReaper said:
MightyM16 said:


Kodaka was actually thinking of doing an origin story ever since DR1 so you're wrong about that actually



1- You can't be real, class 77 could only saved because of Naegi's hope, Togami said as much

2-he didn't promise any of that

3-Yeah, that's a bummer

4-There was no such thing

5- Izuru talked about this in this same episode, SDR2 ending also hinted it was possible

6-Junko was the villain, she wasn't alive in the Future arc but her influence through Chisa ruined the FF and made Tengan do what he did

7-Chisa caused the killing game and waspart of Munakata's motivation, she certainly wasn't an useless puppet

8-The fact that some of them died doesn't means they're useless

9- The 78th class is dead, the 77th was only in a coma

10-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antagonism_(chemistry)



1: What Naegi did in DR2 and in DR3 are two different things.

2: He did.

3: The only thing i can think about is the reveal of Kira Kira or that Killer Killer is the 13th branch leader that never showed up.

4: Yes there was

5:Being just in coma is one thing. Being braindead another thing. "cure" for braindead people is something that is for us impossible because we do not understand fully how the human brain works. Ofc Deus Ex Kamukura can cure them. And as Naegi in the end of DR2 said "Miracles always happens to people like them." Doeasnt change how absurd the thing is and it goes against the core message/conclusion of DR2.

6-7: Junko is dead. Junko cannot be the villian this time because she is dead. Chisa was just a brainwashed mindless puppet. Tengan was just a crazy old man that was triggered by the movie "purge". There was no real reason to kill everyone. No matter what you try to argue about this. Killing people is wrong and nothing justifys that. Nor does is make Tengan a villian. Just a crazy old man. Chisa is no villian because she does it not from her own will. She is just brainwashed nothing more nothing less.

8: They are useless. Because we will never see them again. Hopes Peak Story is over with this Anime. Kodaka said this that DR3 will be the conclusion for this entire story around Hopes Peak. And V3 will be a new chapter to DR with a new idear/concept and gameplay.
All these characters will never show up again. They were all killed like that for the sake of the killing game. They had no purpose to the overall plot of the story besided getting killed and creating drama/tension for "what may or may not happen to the DR1 cast". Miaya didtn even get a voice actress that how non-relevant for this entire Anime she was as a creator fo the NWP. She was just there to make Monaca show up as a robot.

9: Being brain dead and being dead is the same. It varies in some cases werre the patient is just in coma/sleeping. But if there is no brain activity than you are dead.
If your brain doeasnt work anymore you are dead. Nothing what you say or try to argue about that point is logical or anything near reality. Even if in the Anime they try to pull this off without answereing how they saved them . (I am really glad they are fine because i liked the DR2 cast more than the DR1 cast)

10: Thank you for the link this really confused me.


1- No it isn't. Togami directly referenced it, if it wasn't for Naegi's hope, for the fact that he desired to save the remnants, the events of this arc wouldn't have happened in the way they did

2- No, he didn't. Monokuma said that to Naegi in episode 1 but turns out it was all a fake out, the killing game was for the sake of hope

3-Yeah, the 13th branch leader will probably be revealed there

4- Not really

"inb4 brainwashing"

It was present since DR0 and was implied in SDR2

5- The entire ending of SDR2 was a miracle by itself because the survivors weren't supposed to retain their memories after the shutdown but they did, you have Naegi saying that miracles were possible for people like them and Kyoko saying that there was a small chance that their friends could come back so honestly, you just managed to contradict yourself on what you said.

None of the core mesages of SDR2 were ruined

6-7 - "Junko's dead"

Doesn't means she wasn't the main antagonist, especially since what happened in Future was a direct consequence of her actions.

Chisa wasn't a "brainwashed puppet", you don't understanding what the brainwashing did, it didn't turn them into puppets, it jut made them love despair by twisting their mindset to Junko as Mitarai explained in episode 12 of the Future arc

Huh, you do know that they were in an apocalyptic world right? They were in constant war? Anyway, Tengan did what he did to get rid of the corrupt FF and open a pathway for Ryota's hope, he saw no other choice because if he remained quiet he would be seeing Munakata steal his position in front of him and ruin the world through more conflict

8 - Just because we won't see them again it means thery were useless? What kind of mindset is that?

They had their reason to exist in the anime, some of them were clearly fodders like Bandai but others like Chisa, Juzo, Munakata, Tengan, Ryota and even Seiko , Ruruka and Koichi had a real impact on the story and some of them even had a nice development

I mean look at Juzo, he went from hated character to fan favorite, same could be said for Munakata

9- sorry but Kyoko herself says at the end of SDR2 that they have all had a small chance of coming back which means they weren't fully dead

Nagito's OVA in January will cover their awakening, it seems

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And with Tengen´s story there are many lesser problems, but lets just describe the biggest one: He mentioned, that he didn´t plan and didn´t want Ryota to take part in the game. So if Ryota came abruptly he should´ve had one less bangle prepared than needed. If he wanted Ryota to just be the spectator of the game then it´s dumb again, because according to this he had the time to Prepare another bangle for him, but didn´t have time to Escort Ryota outside and make just a spectator from him. ( making his plan more viable )
And I still can´t understand why Tengan thought it would be better to make this game than to just kill Ryota take his video and broadcast it. I could list the contradictions from day to night, but I´ll better stop.



Ryota occupied Hagakure's place most likely

Naegi explains in episode 12 why Tengan just didn't steal Ryota's video
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This whole thing was messy, very very messy. I like it and I can appreciate it as being part of Kodaka's vision but I didn't love this conclusion at all. I hated the brainwashing plot. The only one that should have been brainwashed was Chisa, that was ok, but everyone? No that's overkill, I had imagined Junko to be better than that in terms of influencing people into despair. I would have liked the remnants of despair to be different now they are older and have been though this ordeal but they are the same as they were in Hope's Peak Academy. They even look the same and we were made to believe they had mutilated their bodies after Junko died. I would have liked to get a conclusion for the despair girls story line. Are the monokuma kids still being mind controlled? Are the adults still vengeful? Is Monaca just going to stay in space forever? Who is looking after the warriors of hope? What happened to Leon's cousin? What the hell happened to Naegi's parents? I wanted to know more about the Future Foundation members but most of them were killed off without any development. I wanted to see how the Ultimate Despairs were spreading despair across the world. The final confrontation with Mitarai was so boring. The only good thing about this episode was seeing the sdr2 cast having fun and interacting with each other which could have been accomplished if they gave us a faithful sdr2 the animation. I think this whole thing would have been better if they scrapped the whole Junko brainwashing everyone plot, and just gave Zetsubou-hen and Mirai-hen 24 episodes each. They tried to jam so much in that it was overwhelming and lost impact.


You do know that the brainwashing wasn't worldwide right? Junko just used her videos to cause the tragedy in HPA

In episode 11 she confirms that her plan was to cause despair to spread itself as a meme, she never broadcasted her killing video worldwide

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To summarize it in a few words:

DR3 as a whole was not a bad anime, but it does not live up to the title of "Grand finale of the Hope vs Despair saga"...


Well the killing game in Future wasn't Hope vs Despair in the first place so you do have point

I do think it was a fitting end to the HPA arc though, everything came to a circle

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So everyone is mad at Kyoko being alive, but nobody flinches a finger about the rest of the 77th being alive WITH NO EXPLANATION WHATSOEVER....Sigh.

I give this whole series a 10/10 because of how fun was seeing ALL of the characters being animated, even though some of them barely did something to do.

Now for the wait of the V3 game.


Nagito's OVA is going to detail his awakening so you'll have that at least

But you can't say it came from nowhere though, Hajime's ultimate BS was involved and they hinted that they could come back by the end of SDR2
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77th class return... just to be used as plot devices.
Kirigiri return from death... Kodaka don't have balls to kill her.

This was just terrible. I hope that DRv3 would be much better. And I hope we will never again see Danganronpa in anime medium.
2/10


Well I guess you'll be disappointed to hear that they're making an anime OVA starring Nagito that's being released next year.

I was more thinking about TV series, since for them having logical story is important. OVA don't need that, so since there is nothing that can be destroyed, I wouldn't be suprised if that OVA end as best animated Danganronpa ever.
 
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I actually liked this episode. I liked everything.
But the part that got me was, Naegi is headmaster,now. It's like he become the hope of the world,like kamukura izuru (who built the school) wanted to achieve. In the end Hinata has awesome abilities but Naegi is the ideal hope.

By the way, did you ever feel like Naegi,Hinata and Nagito's personalities are very much the same. The only the difference is the paths they choose.

I don't know why, but I want more Danganronpa. I want more even tough it's only fanservice or romance like it doesn't need to contain action or survival. I just want to see them more.
 
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This episode was fantastic and a great end to SDR3. I felt so underwhelmed with last week's episode, so I was really looking forward to seeing the "Hope" ep. I was not disappointed at all. I was so very happy to see the characters from the second game back to their old selves. The only question I have about them is why does Fuyuhiko have the scar that Peko gave him while Nekomaru is back to his old self (aka not a robot)? I was confused as to why they decided to keep a scar that Fuyuhiko received inside of the Neo World Program, but not keep Nekomaru as a robot? I mean, that's just a small detail but I wanted to point it out.

I was very happy to see that they were "cured" of their despair by Hajime/Izuru. I knew that Izuru wasn't a bad guy, especially since he didn't do anything "bad" in the Despair Arc other than defend himself, thus killing that one person. I was so happy to see Nanami again, even if she was AI Nanami. She really is the glue that held our 77th class family together. Heh, it was nice to see Mitarai reunited with them too. I'm a bit sad he wasn't included in the Neo World Program, but I guess that's just because he wasn't in despair. It would have been interesting to play the second game with the Imposter as Mitarai, though. (Or it would have been cool if they mentioned Mitarai even once.)

It was great to see the 78th class survivors reunited!! I was PRAYING that Kirigiri would survive because of the pill bottle at her feet when she was "dead" a few episodes back. Thank you Mikan for saving her! I feel like she deserved to live because she's basically the one who figured out the killing game. I may have teared up a bit at the end when she was in the classroom with Naegi. I wasn't ready to see her die for real yet. Although, that means that pretty much all of the Future Foundation characters died in SDR3 and the original cast did have plot armor. I'm still pleased, but a part of me wishes a few more of the Future Foundation people survived.... (Izayoi died for nothing tbh. Still salty af about that.)

A very solid ending to SDR3. I was squealing with joy when I saw my SDR2 babies out of despair. I couldn't have asked for a better ending for them. Hajime looks pretty badass right now with his Izuru eyes. (Also Peko was super cute like always. I can never have enough Peko scenes! lol) But yeah, I'm really happy with this ending and episode. 10/10 for me.
 
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This episode was fantastic and a great end to SDR3. I felt so underwhelmed with last week's episode, so I was really looking forward to seeing the "Hope" ep. I was not disappointed at all. I was so very happy to see the characters from the second game back to their old selves. The only question I have about them is why does Fuyuhiko have the scar that Peko gave him while Nekomaru is back to his old self (aka not a robot)? I was confused as to why they decided to keep a scar that Fuyuhiko received inside of the Neo World Program, but not keep Nekomaru as a robot? I mean, that's just a small detail but I wanted to point it out.



In the 2nd game, it was said that the Remnants of Despair pillaged Junko's body and took parts of her for themselves. It's possible Fuyuhiko took her eye just like how Nagito took her hand. Neither of those would be functional, so I wouldn't be surprised if Fuyuhiko ended up removing the eye. Nagito ended up with a robotic hand so it's not impossible. As for Nekomaru, he never actually lost his body in the real world, so he wouldn't be a robot.
 
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I watched the first anime, played the second game, and now after watching the third Danganronpa, I'm confused as hell...
So at first Chiaki Nanami was alive, then in the second game, she was just a program, and now she's dead for real... But how did she die..
It's probably really obvious and I'm just retarded, but can somebody explain this shit to me..?
 
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I watched the first anime, played the second game, and now after watching the third Danganronpa, I'm confused as hell...
So at first Chiaki Nanami was alive, then in the second game, she was just a program, and now she's dead for real... But how did she die..
It's probably really obvious and I'm just retarded, but can somebody explain this shit to me..?


Did you watch Danganronpa Despair? Her actual death is in that. In SDR2

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lel, this is such a bizzare show, even after watching all seasons I have no idea what's going on

Senseless slaughter > Moe
 
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I feel like I've watched Mitarai's hope video, this episode was the very definition of HOPE.

Danganronpa 2 made me cry like a litte child.
Nanamis ("second") death made me so sad I couldn't watch any other animes days after that.
And DR3 Kibou-hen made me cry even more than DR2. All those characters are back. Especially seeing Gundam, Nidai, Teruteru and Mikan alive and well again was so great, I could hug any random person who walks my way right now xD When you have a bad day, just rewatch this episode and you'll be fine!

(little rant: I don't care if people write "meeh this is bad writing why the hell is everyone alive" THIS IS HOPE FOR YA!)

If vidya ever makes a video to this special, he/she would only have to animate Hajime + class 77 shouting "hope lol, hope lol, hope lol..." throughout the entire video.
10/10, the next game will crush that hope again but I don't care right now :) :D
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You know I thought the whole brainwash through Anime thing was kinda cheap. Was hoping that there was more into it why they joined Junko to spread despair. They just added another character and called it a day.

Also talking Mitarai into not brainwashing the world.. felt kinda too easy? Also Tengans plan was fucking retarded.

Still glad Kyoko get to live. It hurt seeing such a great character die after living through DR1..
 
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Izuru and the class are good again.
And Kirigiri was revived,cool.
 
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Happy ending, Kyouko alive, and we finally got to see Class 77. I can't ask for more. I feel satisfied. 9/10.


 
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What a rushed ending and full of holes. It was enjoyable for a big Danganronpa fan like me but some things irked me. Another Episode had a cliffhanging ending showing off Monaca's brother still being a threat, what happened to that? What happened to Monaca and the other kids? What happened to the world? How did it fix? I thought the second cast would looked messed up due to it being said they did things to their body in DR2. Why did only Nagito and Fuyuhiko have Junko's body? I thought most of them did it. What happened to wake up the second game cast?

So much questions. That's bad for writing finale but good for fanservice I guess.
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Ehm, I admit that I didn't quite appreciated the "All's well that ends well" attitude.

I mean, yes, I'm happy that hope won in the end but.... as a finale it just seems so bland considering that Naegi, in the end, didn't really lose anything (Ok, he lost his classmates, but that happened years ago in a different arc), that ALL the remnants of despair woke up from coma and, as an icing on the cake, that Kirigiri was alive as well.

In a normal case I would be happy about this but.... this is danganronpa, where is the mastermind? Where is the incredible plot twist? Where is that bitter-sweet sensation over victory that I felt during the games? I felt so little hype that I'm astonished myself.

In the end, the only one who has lost everything is Chiaki.
RIP.

P.S.: Who the hell was the leader of the 13th branch and why Asahina got involved with it? It was just a random thing? wat.
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1: What Naegi did in DR2 and in DR3 are two different things.

2: He did.

3: The only thing i can think about is the reveal of Kira Kira or that Killer Killer is the 13th branch leader that never showed up.

4: Yes there was

5:Being just in coma is one thing. Being braindead another thing. "cure" for braindead people is something that is for us impossible because we do not understand fully how the human brain works. Ofc Deus Ex Kamukura can cure them. And as Naegi in the end of DR2 said "Miracles always happens to people like them." Doeasnt change how absurd the thing is and it goes against the core message/conclusion of DR2.

6-7: Junko is dead. Junko cannot be the villian this time because she is dead. Chisa was just a brainwashed mindless puppet. Tengan was just a crazy old man that was triggered by the movie "purge". There was no real reason to kill everyone. No matter what you try to argue about this. Killing people is wrong and nothing justifys that. Nor does is make Tengan a villian. Just a crazy old man. Chisa is no villian because she does it not from her own will. She is just brainwashed nothing more nothing less.

8: They are useless. Because we will never see them again. Hopes Peak Story is over with this Anime. Kodaka said this that DR3 will be the conclusion for this entire story around Hopes Peak. And V3 will be a new chapter to DR with a new idear/concept and gameplay.
All these characters will never show up again. They were all killed like that for the sake of the killing game. They had no purpose to the overall plot of the story besided getting killed and creating drama/tension for "what may or may not happen to the DR1 cast". Miaya didtn even get a voice actress that how non-relevant for this entire Anime she was as a creator fo the NWP. She was just there to make Monaca show up as a robot.

9: Being brain dead and being dead is the same. It varies in some cases werre the patient is just in coma/sleeping. But if there is no brain activity than you are dead.
If your brain doeasnt work anymore you are dead. Nothing what you say or try to argue about that point is logical or anything near reality. Even if in the Anime they try to pull this off without answereing how they saved them . (I am really glad they are fine because i liked the DR2 cast more than the DR1 cast)

10: Thank you for the link this really confused me.


1- No it isn't. Togami directly referenced it, if it wasn't for Naegi's hope, for the fact that he desired to save the remnants, the events of this arc wouldn't have happened in the way they did

2- No, he didn't. Monokuma said that to Naegi in episode 1 but turns out it was all a fake out, the killing game was for the sake of hope

3-Yeah, the 13th branch leader will probably be revealed there

4- Not really

"inb4 brainwashing"

It was present since DR0 and was implied in SDR2

5- The entire ending of SDR2 was a miracle by itself because the survivors weren't supposed to retain their memories after the shutdown but they did, you have Naegi saying that miracles were possible for people like them and Kyoko saying that there was a small chance that their friends could come back so honestly, you just managed to contradict yourself on what you said.

None of the core mesages of SDR2 were ruined

6-7 - "Junko's dead"

Doesn't means she wasn't the main antagonist, especially since what happened in Future was a direct consequence of her actions.

Chisa wasn't a "brainwashed puppet", you don't understanding what the brainwashing did, it didn't turn them into puppets, it jut made them love despair by twisting their mindset to Junko as Mitarai explained in episode 12 of the Future arc

Huh, you do know that they were in an apocalyptic world right? They were in constant war? Anyway, Tengan did what he did to get rid of the corrupt FF and open a pathway for Ryota's hope, he saw no other choice because if he remained quiet he would be seeing Munakata steal his position in front of him and ruin the world through more conflict

8 - Just because we won't see them again it means thery were useless? What kind of mindset is that?

They had their reason to exist in the anime, some of them were clearly fodders like Bandai but others like Chisa, Juzo, Munakata, Tengan, Ryota and even Seiko , Ruruka and Koichi had a real impact on the story and some of them even had a nice development

I mean look at Juzo, he went from hated character to fan favorite, same could be said for Munakata

9- sorry but Kyoko herself says at the end of SDR2 that they have all had a small chance of coming back which means they weren't fully dead

Nagito's OVA in January will cover their awakening, it seems



1:Again 2 and 3 are different things. Only because 3 is the future of 2 doeasnt mean it changes the amount of actions Naegi did in 3. What he did in 2 affected to a great cause 3 but he himself did in 3 nothing expect surviving the killing game and most likely set up the new school for V3 at least what it seems to be in V3 a old old old Hopes Peak building that was rebuild for the new killing games.

2: I dont refer to the EP1 scene where for some odd reason Monokuma talks to Naegi like he was actually there. But this still was a Monokuma that was different from the rest of the animated Monokumas after this. Nonetheless around the first teaser trailer was shown (the one where Chisas voic actress talks about DR stuff) there was a interview where Kodaka said this will be the final fight of Hopes vs Despair and our final battle that Naegi will have to face head on this time.
He said it straight at that time and it was not like he said it would be.

3:Well i hope i woulndt be suprised if this just will never be answered^^. Like several other small things from the Spin-off Manga/Novels

4:I am not talking about the brainswahing. (That is as well a clusterfuck itself) i was refering about the redkon around the creaton of AI Chiaki & the NeoWorldProgamm. Like the Nanami-Spinoff never happens that is still ongoing and shows us a familiy realathinship with teh Fujisakis and so on.

5:I wouldnt call it a miracle it was just that Junko was lying again most likely to get the bodies from them. Overall the most likely thing was only Hajime/Kamukura mangaed to get all his memorys back as Hajime Hinata because as we now know Izuru planned everything about the events of DR2 all along. And also knew about everything that would happen because of his Ultimate Analyst abilitys that are far superior to Junkos.

6-7: Indirect consequenses. Like everything else after the RoD is her indirect doing. Doeasnt change that she is dead and not the villian of the story this time. The RoD are more villian than Mitarai/Tengan/Chisa ever were/was.
Tengans reason doesnt make it more logical and it is a total insane way to go about things. The only ones who were trying to create so negativ inpact on the FF were mindless Chisa and our candy girl. Nobody else deserves such a dead for such a idiotic reason. Tengans motive was bullshit and as extreme as Munakatas reason was to destory despair.
And yes that is exactly what i meant with mindless puppets. Chisa is a slave to Despair because of Junko. Her mind was litterly raped and brainwashed to be a Despair fanatic like Junko. Doesnt change that she had a this point no free will because the original Chisa never would do such thing= this Chisa is a prisoner to herself and mindless puppet that has only one single reason to live/=Despair.
This is what a mindless brainwashed puppet is. = Chisa=RoD(was)

8: I think you misunderstand a great amount of things here. First the overall plot for this killing game was not strong/ this is not a mindset this is a fact we seen in the Mirai-hen Arc. Chisa was featured in Despair Arc so we got to know her character so she is not in the dead meat department. Because she paid for her crimes and her story was over at the point of EP1.
Tengan was the "mastermind" behind this in the end he had a crazy reason and was just a evil grandpa (WHY GRANDPA WHY?!?!?!) so his story was just a non existent one because he had no real reason besides his extreme tunnel vision about his "hope".
Bandai was just killed off we didnt knew anything about him or his story at all. His only reason to take screentime was to explain the NG code.
Great Gozu also a really nice character i want to see more of him. No i will never have the chance because his dead was to replace the fake dead of Asahina becasue of plot armor. His only deed was protecting Naegi nothing else. Just dead meat for protection.
Seiko one of the most fleshed out characters of the FF. Just got killed for no good reason. She was honest and nice person who just wanted to help everyone.
Yeah Tengan she is sooooo corrupt she deserves to die in this killing game^^.
Yeah she was soooo despair.
Than we have candy girl and her lover.
Her lover got nothing expect his love and dewlicious candys. Nothing literlly nothing we will ever know about him.
Candy girl was a insecure bitch for no real reason becasue as far as we seen she was never betrayed or anything like that. Instead she jsut used people around her. The only real person who was creating problems for the FF.
Mitarai was never supposed to be here and was one of the 2 missing classmates of the 77th class that was never reaveald and only teased until this point. So he had the most valid reason to exist. And his purpsoe was also clear in the Despair Arc in Mirai hen there was nothing more to just being used again by all the asshole people around him. Poor Mitarai.
Juzo? Juzo had no purpose other than dying for Munakatas character development and for the sake of plot armor to stop Naeigi from killing himself. His meat was super despair dewlicious. nom nom nom thanks for that.
Munakata doeasnt count as well because he was the rival to Naegi that was needed because ther was no real enemy in this entire Anime. There was none nothing.
There was no real reason for anything because the reason that was explainded was just utterly nonsens.

9:Just like Naegi said Miracles happens to guys like team. You cant cure cancer with just saying everything will be fine. This is not how it supposed to work. Kirigis said the same as Naegi people/guys like them good things always happens to them. This dosnt say anything concrete about them being back in the future. It is a possibility. And yes it goes against the core message of DR2. The whole finale was about choosing their own Future. Not Hope nor Despair. There will be both of them on the way but they will keep moving forward.
And what did they? For the sake of Hope they stopped Mitarai and played the bad guys for the world again after disappearing suddenly for months.
They did choose sides and didnt go their own way aside from these 2.

I tought the Nagito OVA is about his time with Monaca?

10: You can feel free to agree to disagree with me. We have world beteween our train of thoughts about everything that happend so far.
The only thing we two share is our enjoyment for this Anime and the awesome moments it had.
 
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Nagito's OVA is going to detail his awakening so you'll have that at least

But you can't say it came from nowhere though, Hajime's ultimate BS was involved and they hinted that they could come back by the end of SDR2

Oh, I didn't knew about the OVA, I guess they'll try to explain as much as possible then.

I don't remember the hint at the end of SDR2, it's been 3years since I've watched the playthrough.
 
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I appreciate what Hope Side is trying to do, but honestly this was just horribly executed, especially with Kirigiri actually being alive. Most people probably wouldn't have noticed the subtle foreshadowing so they could have at least explained themselves better instead of just sidelining it.
 
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Okay, I'll admit: from a narrative standpoint, it could have been better. I don't think it was anywhere near as horrible as some are making it out to be, but it wasn't the best anime resolution I've seen.

That said, the awakening of Class 77 and Kyoko's survival* were fantastic enough fan service for me to love it anyway. Seeing Hajime and the others kick behind was icing on the cake.

Overall, DR3 was great. It was far from reaching the games' grandeur, but it was still great. I'm confident that DRV3 is going to be even more amazing, now that they're getting back to the main game format.

Now, if they'll only localize it within a reasonable time frame...



*Eat your heart out.
For a variety of reasons, I have retired from the majority of these forums. I won't be participating in threads outside of the recommendations subforums, nor will I be responding to quotes outside of those subforums.

You're free to quote my other, past posts to your heart's content: just be aware that I won't be reading your replies, let alone responding to them.
 
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