An Italian television news anchor has ignited a firestorm of criticism by wearing a crucifix around her neck while reporting the news, drawing the ire of “Muslims, atheists and many viewers,” according to reports. Marina Nalesso, a well-known news anchor on the State-owned Tg1 television news show, wore a crucifix around her neck several times last week while on the air, a choice that Silvio Viale, a leftist politician and vocal atheist, has described as “arrogance.”  This is not the 44-year-old TV anchor’s first offense. She has also been criticized for wearing small medals around her neck bearing the face of Jesus or the Virgin Mary. Despite the storm of criticisms, however, Nalesso has also received support from several public figures such as Giorgia Meloni, an Italian politician and leader of the Fratelli d’Italia party. “We have now reached the point of absurdity,” Meloni wrote on the party’s Facebook page. “Christianity is part of our culture and our history as Italians and Europeans, even if you are an atheist or believe in another religion.” Src -------------------------------------- lol just lol , meanwhile pope is ... |
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| Pope will tell her to take it off, spit on it, dance on it, and burn it on national television or she's committing terrorism against the poor, innocent Muslims who want to behead her for wearing it. |
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DateYutaka said: What's over the top is the entirety of western civilization bending over backwards for outdated peasant cultures. In an attempt to be tolerant of everyone, the lunatic left is trying to accommodate the most intolerant group which ironically leads to everyone being screwed over.Ratohnhaketon said: Pope will tell her to take it off, spit on it, dance on it, and burn it on national television or she's committing terrorism against the poor, innocent Muslims who want to behead her for wearing it. fuck me over the top much That and militant atheists are annoying. Simply annoying. Get a life (I speak as agnostic). |
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| People have every reason to believe that Christianity should be remembered for it's cultural significance. People also have every reason to believe that Christianity should be forgotten for all the ills it has wrought. Whether you're an atheist or a christian, you should still respect the other person for their beliefs, even if their opinions are wrong. |
| Shrug It's a state owned news station, despite Italy's close ties to Catholicism it's not like they're a theocracy. I don't think it's professional for her to be wearing it on air as such, but I also don't really care too much as long as she doesn't start praying on air or some such. Much ado about nothing, as usual. |
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| In what kind of world we live... Because there aren't more important things to care in Italy... :facepalm: “We have now reached the point of absurdity,” Meloni wrote on the party’s Facebook page. “Christianity is part of our culture and our history as Italians and Europeans." Can't agree more. |
DeathNyxSep 25, 2016 3:11 AM
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| Lmao. This is getting out of hand. |
| not even things like this happened in my country which mostly muslim, and we have plenty christian in our TV. what kind of muslim do you have there europe? and atheist people screaming freedom, lOl... |
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| Well I'm happy this is happening actually. Because it provides for actual physical irrefutable evidence that Christianity is under attack. Hopefully this will eventually lead to a powerful response. Maybe we'll see a Christian renaissance? Chances are slim but I'm holding my fingers crossed. |
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| Disappointed in the atheists, Muslim reaction is totally predictable, hypocritical. In a world where a Muslim ship captain threw overboard 6 Christians refugees for "creating a storm with their evil praying" killing them I don't care what they find offensive. |
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| What happened to tolerance? |
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Spooks said: Disappointed in the atheists, Muslim reaction is totally predictable, hypocritical. In a world where a Muslim ship captain threw overboard 6 Christians refugees for "creating a storm with their evil praying" killing them I don't care what they find offensive. If this true then I don't know what to think about him as a fellow Muslim ... so fucked up. I don't blame you, this way of thinking is stupid and bigoted. OT: Nothing to say, but why? When was this so "triggering" to anyone? Sure, I don't share the same belief though this is weird. @Tsundereppoi you make me laugh, because how delusional to think that way. |
| Eh? I saw some fuckboi's at the bar wearing crucifixes and I doubt they're devout catholics. It's just a fashion statement at this point, or at least it is here. I take it Italians take that stuff a little more seriously than a YEEZUS fashion line. |
| I am on the edge ! The edge of the edgiest edge ever edged by edgekind ! я умерте ужасну депрессии... |
| Why would this anger anyone? I don't understand. She's proud of her faith, that's all I see. |
| "Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. And some will lose more than the tips off their fingers, I promise you. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that" |
MindForged said: Nope, I'm a totally deplorable bigot. What else can it be called? In a civilization where individual happiness and opportunity is promoted, you have these groups that come in who want that to completely halt. The left proceeds to pander to them and say "Okay, okay, you can have your honor killing. Cultural differences, we respect that." Give me a break."Peasant cultures" Well @Ratohnhaketon, I'll await the inevitable "I'm not racist" statement or the reveal that you're secretly Ann Coulter. Jesus Christ. Yes this story is stupid, no it doesn't suggest that Christianity is under attack. That conclusion is almost as stupid as the original story. |
ZekkenshinSep 25, 2016 9:01 PM
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| Religious and political symbols don't belong on state owned television, just like the hammer and sickle necklaces and hijabs don't, it makes perfectly sense for people to be pissed. I'm expecting people to react the same way if e.g. a hijab wearing news anchor shows up, if they don't then I'll just have to assume the Italians are a bunch of hypocrites (I know French people wouldn't accept that kind of shit) |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: Religious and political symbols don't belong on state owned television, just like the hammer and sickle necklaces and hijabs don't, it makes perfectly sense for people to be pissed. I'm expecting people to react the same way if e.g. a hijab wearing news anchor shows up, if they don't then I'll just have to assume the Italians are a bunch of hypocrites Did you just summon Britain again http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-37163408 |
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Spooks said: Comic_Sans said: Religious and political symbols don't belong on state owned television, just like the hammer and sickle necklaces and hijabs don't, it makes perfectly sense for people to be pissed. I'm expecting people to react the same way if e.g. a hijab wearing news anchor shows up, if they don't then I'll just have to assume the Italians are a bunch of hypocrites Did you just summon Britain again http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-37163408 >Kelvin MacKenzie Guy's an utter scumbag. Honestly, what sort of person could ditch their football team after a relegation? |
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| Christianity is a vital part of European culture, without it these atheists wouldn't even be able to read or write. In case someone didn't know (like, atheists, they tend to not know much about Christianity other than "omg they hate gayz"), the barbaric tribes that settled down in Europe after Rome fell couldn't write or read and they all hired Christian monks to do these things for them. Most schools were owned by the church even in the 18th century. A swastika, the hammer and sickle and the hijab are very much different from a mere crucifix, people who think otherwise are either uneducated or too delusional. Do people seriously think forbidding the heavily Christian Italians from wearing their own cultural symbols will not make them think about liberals and the muslims negatively? It will, don't worry. Look at what happened in Germany with Merkel's "massively multiplayer cultural enrichment program": Her party went from the most popular in Germany/Berlin to the least popular among the bigger parties. |
Zees said: Christianity is a vital part of European culture, without it these atheists wouldn't even be able to read or write. In case someone didn't know (like, atheists, they tend to not know much about Christianity other than "omg they hate gayz"), the barbaric tribes that settled down in Europe after Rome fell couldn't write or read and they all hired Christian monks to do these things for them. Most schools were owned by the church even in the 18th century. A swastika, the hammer and sickle and the hijab are very much different from a mere crucifix, people who think otherwise are either uneducated or too delusional. Do people seriously think forbidding the heavily Christian Italians from wearing their own cultural symbols will not make them think about liberals and the muslims negatively? It will, don't worry. Look at what happened in Germany with Merkel's "massively multiplayer cultural enrichment program": Her party went from the most popular in Germany/Berlin to the least popular among the bigger parties. To be fair, the swastika and the hammer&sickle also have heavy christian heritage, since the ideas of Marxism, Communism, Socialism, Nazism and Fascism were all developed by people with Christian philosophical and ideological roots. One of the reasons why Communist Russia did not turn into a gay/slut/individualistic shithole, is because despite rejecting religion, most communists were still faithful to the pursuit of a greater spiritual goal. (in their interpretation, it was the "red spring", which in essence is just an altered version of human rebirth and spirituality) |
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| Muslims now demanding Christianity to be abolished XD That's what you get when you allow them to become a big group. Most Atheist don't even know they are a religion XD |
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MindForged said: And yet the behavior of the left has yet to suggest a desire to protect western values while promoting multiculturalism. A recent FBI leak has shown that over 7,700 terrorist encounters have occurred in the past year in the USA. They even have pie charts to separate the Sunni from the Shiite attacks. The most recent case is the Turkish immigrant who murdered 5 people in a mall in Washington. He was immediately profiled as Hispanic, yet when he was caught the mainstream liberal media went dead silent on the correction of his ethnicity. On his tumblr he had Al Baghdadi listed as his "main man."Ratohnhaketon said: Nope, I'm a totally deplorable bigot. What else can it be called? In a civilization where individual happiness and opportunity is promoted, you have these groups that come in who want that to completely halt. The left proceeds to pander to them and say "Okay, okay, you can have your honor killing. Cultural differences, we respect that." Give me a break. Individual happiness is promoted, unless you're an immigrant. In which case, you'll be vilified, have laws enacted against you, etc. If the left "panders" to "them", then the right are violent, selfish bigots who don't give a shit about other people. See, this is an easy game to play. No one says to respect all cultural differences, what a straw man. Go ahead and reject reality though. Every immigrant, refugee, and Muslim is a good person and you should never suspect anything less than sainthood. I'm not a ring-winger, by the way. Now that's some real straw man right there. I never suggested to beat them black and blue, just have realistic expectations of what's coming in. There's a reason people are fleeing from 3rd world countries in mass. |
ZekkenshinSep 26, 2016 8:19 AM
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| It's completely fine for a muslim to wear a hijab though. Nothing wrong with that.. wtf |
Clebardman said: @Gesu- Well... try to find a reporter wearing a hijab on a national western channel? https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1459893/why-did-channel-4-have-a-presenter-in-a-hijab-to-front-coverage-of-muslim-terror-in-nice/ Even if I were to concede that such a reporter doesn't exist, do you think they would've gotten just as much backlash? |
| @Gesu- lol I'd eat my TV until there's nothing left of it if I saw a cross or hijab on a public channel. I'm about to say "third world countries" but our national channel broadcasts sunday mass since ages. Anyway, I stopped watching that shit years ago and I can't say I miss it @_@ |
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MindForged said: Yeah you're right, it is your mistake. Learn your lesson.Given you were whining about "the left" supposedly pandering to immigrants & using right-right-wing talking points about the ephemeral "liberal media", I assumed you were right-wing. My mistake, you're just (probably) lacking in empathy for other human beings. |
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Clebardman said: @Gesu- lol I'd eat my TV until there's nothing left of it if I saw a cross or hijab on a public channel. Why shouldn't people be allowed to express their faith through clothing and accessories? I'm about to say "third world countries" but our national channel broadcasts sunday mass since ages. Anyway, I stopped watching that shit years ago and I can't say I miss it @_@ #justfrenchthings ? |
Clebardman said: Two days after the incident...@Gesu- Well... try to find a reporter wearing a hijab on a national western channel?  At least this way everyone is happy. |
Gesu- said: Clebardman said: @Gesu- lol I'd eat my TV until there's nothing left of it if I saw a cross or hijab on a public channel. Why shouldn't people be allowed to express their faith through clothing and accessories? They'll be able to do that shit the day they learn not to kill people who draw cartoons. This goes for catholics too since the pope's reaction to that attack was honestly disgusting. Generally speaking I don't think worldwide scams like religions should be left unchecked because "freedom of speech". |
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Zees said: Christianity is a vital part of European culture, without it these atheists wouldn't even be able to read or write. In case someone didn't know (like, atheists, they tend to not know much about Christianity other than "omg they hate gayz") I'm an atheist and have read the Bible cover to cover (something most Christians will never do) And wtf? are you really suggesting that non Christian ancient cultures couldn't read or write without Christianity? |
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| @MindForged It is funny how you say Breitbart is not credible when you link Cnn which blatantly lies. Look at the donald trump "racial" profiling, and cutting out what that woman said about burning down white neighborhoods. You have a strong ideological bias that you aren't admitting. And it is also very funny you don't have empathy for the black and brown people who are suffering in this country already, yet you want to bring in so many immigrants when we cannot properly provide for people in this own country. It would just lead into more people suffering. Good on you, you really thought this through. And you didn't list any laws, just talk out of your ass about immigrants are being vilified. By who? Who? |
PoeticJusticeSep 26, 2016 9:40 AM
Clebardman said: Generally speaking I don't think worldwide scams like religions should be left unchecked because "freedom of speech". Idk about you man but as long as there's no hate speech (or any kind of hatred expressed to any other group for that matter) involved, I'm okay with it.. |
Bobby2Hands said: That's nice to hear, but you are in the minority, judging by the usual comments made by atheists.Zees said: Christianity is a vital part of European culture, without it these atheists wouldn't even be able to read or write. In case someone didn't know (like, atheists, they tend to not know much about Christianity other than "omg they hate gayz") I'm an atheist and have read the Bible cover to cover (something most Christians will never do) And wtf? are you really suggesting that non Christian ancient cultures couldn't read or write without Christianity? I was strictly speaking about the European cultures that came after Rome fell, and while they could write in their own writing system (like runes), they knew nothing about how to use the latin alphabet (which became a neccessity in the middle ages) or how to read it. The nobility and the leaders didn't know how to read and write even in the 1200s. Back then it was the Christian clergy who did those for them. They were also the first ones to build schools. |
what u mean by wtf , care to elaborate or it's just a another shitposting what ichi have said is true. |
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AllenVonStein said: what u mean by wtf , care to elaborate or it's just a another shitposting what ichi have said is true. A religion is the belief and/or worship of a superhuman higher power that is said to have control over the universe. The lack of belief in a god means that there is no religion.. |
Gesu- said: A religion is the belief and/or worship of a superhuman higher power that is said to have control over the universe. The lack of belief in a god means that there is no religion.. wrong since you really have to envy there faith though, for it takes much more faith to believe in the evolutionary lie than it does to believe in God and His Creation. "Yes atheism is a religion." |
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AllenVonStein said: Gesu- said: A religion is the belief and/or worship of a superhuman higher power that is said to have control over the universe. The lack of belief in a god means that there is no religion.. wrong since you really have to envy there faith though, for it takes much more faith to believe in the evolutionary lie than it does to believe in God and His Creation. "Yes atheism is a religion." Lol ok that's the most screen shot worthiest thing I've seen all week. Evolution only makes sense and has been proven countless times. And no why would I have to envy faith? Do you have to envy atheism to believe in creationism? |
AllenVonStein said: Gesu- said: A religion is the belief and/or worship of a superhuman higher power that is said to have control over the universe. The lack of belief in a god means that there is no religion.. wrong since you really have to envy there faith though, for it takes much more faith to believe in the evolutionary lie than it does to believe in God and His Creation. "Yes atheism is a religion." You can be an atheist and not believe in evolution. Evolution has nothing to do with atheism, evolution merely explains the mechanism for bio diversity. |
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| B-but that's an assault on religious freedom and... oh, she's christian. That bitch shouldn't wear religious symbols. |
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It's completely true though. Atheism is primarily a phenomenon of the 1st and 2nd worlds. Both of these worlds had a very heavy, extremely heavy christian influence, to the point that global economy, state constitutions, human rights, diplomacy, international law, domestic laws, grew out of the views and ideas propagated by Christians and ancient Greek philosophers. (Christianity has a lot of Greek philosophical influence, it's not really a religion straight out of Jesus's ass) And atheists today are basically the "lazy kids" of their Christian forefathers, who live by a slackish version of the Christian way of life, and pretend like they have absolutely no relation to any religion whatsoever, and that all of their values and ideas came straight out of their own intelligent mind (trololol) |
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| even as an atheist myself i think christianity is a part of our european identity/ culture and if she wants to wear a crucifix she has every right to do so - like wearing hijabs as news anchor in an arabian country.... |
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| Lol. Madness indeed. What next? Outrage that the reporter is white because of racist implications of colonialism? Sheesh people! |
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Tsundereppoi said: It's completely true though. Atheism is primarily a phenomenon of the 1st and 2nd worlds. Both of these worlds had a very heavy, extremely heavy christian influence, to the point that global economy, state constitutions, human rights, diplomacy, international law, domestic laws, grew out of the views and ideas propagated by Christians and ancient Greek philosophers. (Christianity has a lot of Greek philosophical influence, it's not really a religion straight out of Jesus's ass) And atheists today are basically the "lazy kids" of their Christian forefathers, who live by a slackish version of the Christian way of life, and pretend like they have absolutely no relation to any religion whatsoever, and that all of their values and ideas came straight out of their own intelligent mind (trololol) Still doesn't prove shit. "way of life" (aka culture) != religion. Remove the belief of a higher power and all kinds of worship from christianity and all that it's reduced to is a culture. Add also the fact that 95% of the time atheism isn't even propagated, yet most atheist around the world regardless of culture come up with the same conclusions or ideologies. I shouldn't really have to be telling you this. |
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