| I've been faced with the word 'cultural appropriation' a lot these day and I just looked it up; Cultural appropriation is the adoption or use of elements of one culture by members of another culture. That's it. I don't see why this is an issue. I'd honestly be flattered if my culture were to be represented and appreciated by another culture. This, however, doesn't seem to apply to everyone. In fact, I've only ever seen cultural appropriation being blamed on white people. Now I know that I may be going off on a tangent here but bear with me; This video (optional to watch): Somehow lead me to this garbage: Why does this even matter? I've heard of people not being able to let go of the past, but that is usually the case when the person was actually alive to remember it in the first place.. |
| It matters because it's a wildcard people can use to profess their victimhood :v |
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| It doesn't really matter.... But cultural diversity is bad. |
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UnpopularAnime said: It doesn't really matter.... But cultural diversity is bad. Why do you think cultural diversity is bad? |
Gesu- said: Cause it can't work. I think I worded that wrong. I mean one country having 20 different cultures. It just destroys each culture, or blends them all into one.UnpopularAnime said: It doesn't really matter.... But cultural diversity is bad. Why do you think cultural diversity is bad? I'm Canadian and Canada is described as being a mosaic - meaning immigrants keep their culture, and America is a melting pot - immigrants assimilate and are now American. But it's the same in both countries. Any immigrants turn into Canadians, act like Canadians and everything. And after an immigrant has kids, his kids will be 100% Canadian. So yea cultural diversity isn't bad, but having open borders allowing all cultures to merge is bad, cause it destroys cultural diversity. |
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| It's a stupid concept. Especially since most aspects of a culture's "heritage" were simply appropriated from another culture. |
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| when we forget the past we are doomed to repeat it |
| White people have done a lot of fucked up shit man, and those historical patterns are persisting to this day. Weird, I know, but people who weren't actually enslaved in the 1800's are still mad about slavery! Go figure! This is why it's really important to learn about historical oppression and not forget about it simply because it's convenient. |
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UnpopularAnime said: Cause it can't work. I think I worded that wrong. I mean one country having 20 different cultures. It just destroys each culture, or blends them all into one. I'm Canadian and Canada is described as being a mosaic - meaning immigrants keep their culture, and America is a melting pot - immigrants assimilate and are now American. But it's the same in both countries. Any immigrants turn into Canadians, act like Canadians and everything. And after an immigrant has kids, his kids will be 100% Canadian. If the preservation of a culture is your concern the culture that the immigrants belong to is unharmed and the culture of the nation they immigrated remains intact as well, unless we're talking about mass immigration like in countries like Sweden and Germany.. |
| Some could site several reasons: 1. The idea of justice or revenge. 2. The idea that historical oppression leads to certain groups being more disadvantaged in the present. 3. The lack of resources a group may face due to historical colonialism. 4. The fact that some people look for any possible reason to be offended. |
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| Historical oppression doesn't matter, and cultural appropriation doesn't exist. |
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| Well, it's good knowing about certain historical oppresions so that if it happens again the right action can be taken (as with any other history), but other than that it honestly doesn't matter. Sure, bad things happen sometimes, but you can't keep circle-jerking it for attention and benefits. It happened and it's time to keep moving forward. |
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| It matters so we can learn from past mistakes, but it's so annoying when people keep bringing it up for the wrong reasons. Like wth are you supposed to feel sorry for what your ancestors did a hundred years ago? You don't even know them at all. |
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ashishkaull said: Gesu- said: I've been faced with the word 'cultural appropriation' a lot these day and I just looked it up; That's it. I don't see why this is an issue. I'd honestly be flattered if my culture were to be represented and appreciated by another culture. This, however, doesn't seem to apply to everyone. In fact, I've only ever seen cultural appropriation being blamed on white people. Now I know that I may be going off on a tangent here but bear with me; This video (optional to watch): Somehow lead me to this garbage: Why does this even matter? I've heard of people not being able to let go of the past, but that is usually the case when the person was actually alive to remember it in the first place.. Its a big deal . Look at how people in west are playing with yoga . They have made it a business and many people even go on to say that it was never Indian lol ^_^ Dammit, you too ashish? As if yoga classes don't exist in India? And I'm pretty sure they use it for business too yes? |
| Because some people still live in the past and victim hood comes with perks. |
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| Historical oppression is completely irrelevant today. If it's not happening right now, why are people still complaining about it? I see too many lazy asswipes using their race to say that they're oppressed, even though they live in quite a privileged time period and have no idea what real oppression is. Blacks especially do this by bringing up slavery. Anything is wrong in the black community? Racism and oppression by whites. Anybody brings up issues in the black community? They're a racist. |
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| I tend to call people racist when I think they say racist things, but we'll get to that. Now, you are just being an ignorant asshole. You're argument basically says we should ignore history. After all, the way things were in the last don't have any effect on why things are the way they are currently... 😂 It's not just slavery. It's slavery, followed by Reconstruction-era bullshit (which also included the virtual return of slavery via mass imprisonment of blacks to get cheap labor), followed by Jim Crow, followed by the still existing "War on Drugs". And with the War on drugs specifically, it was created to be racist, according to a Nixon administration admin: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-richard-nixon-drug-war-blacks-hippie/index.html And no, blacks don't smoke marijuana more than whites, and yet are arrested 4-8 times more than whites for the same crime:   Now, I'm half-black, but I have no problem with people criticizing the black community. In fact, I know plenty of activists who manage to criticize the black community without being racist. The problem is that most people "criticizing" the black community tend to: 1) Try to ignore history so they can moralize about the superiority of their culture 2) Ignore how the law is actually enforced, so they can pretend everyone is equal before the law (in practice). This allows them to moralize about "Black culture" and how all the problems that black Americans face are the result of some inherent moral failing in their culture. 3) Say that they're not racist because they're criticizing "Black culture". All this ends up being is a proxy for race. "Black culture" for these people ends up being this transcendent core that someone explains all of the problems in that community. All the while, they say the exact crap that white racists have said for centuries. Now are you racist? Your comment didn't leave me too optimistic in giving you the benefit of the doubt. But whatever, I don't care, because in the end you are simply wrong. |
Lmfao that victim complex. "I'm half black" how fucking convenient The reason blacks get arrested more is because black communities have higher crime rates, which leads to more need for police, which makes it more likely that you will get arrested Instead of blaming imaginary racism and oppression, maybe you should look at yourselves |
| cultural appropriation Well the video goes into too much detail although I agree that it's impossible to have a permission of a "culture" (because, really, how do you define culture?) and that it's not really an appropriation since the people who've invented it have not lost the right to keep practicing/performing it.. People find problem with it in situations where the things that are being "borrowed" symbolize a thing that has much deeper meaning. For example the native American-ish headdress is not just a fashion item but rather something akin to a crown in the sense that the person wearing it has to earn the right to wear it. Think of something in your culture that would be offending if someone else used it in a shallow manner. If you were a high ranking member of an army would you be offended if someone used your uniform as a Halloween costume?.. well does it matter or not? I think it comes down to an individual and whether they take offense or not. so in that sense it's not a BIG DEAL but it could be depending on who you're dealing with. historical oppression (?) in my country, the Romani people (referred to as "gypsies" ) are discriminated against a lot.(to get an idea: read ) however in history they never had the status of slaves so I'm not sure if the term historical oppression can be applied here.? also, if anyone knows, does being a nation that has been occupied during a war for instance count as being oppressed? .. in any case, history does matter (as someone said, to ideally learn from past mistakes) although dwelling on it is pointless. the line between those two is a fine one. |
Don_Giovanni said: Lmfao that victim complex. "I'm half black" how fucking convenient How is it convenient? My point there was simply that I'm part black, yet I have no problem with people criticizing the black community (assuming that's what they're actually doing). In fact, I know people who manage to criticize the black community without being racist. Your comment makes no sense. The reason blacks get arrested more is because black communities have higher crime rates, which leads to more need for police, which makes it more likely that you will get arrested Instead of blaming imaginary racism and oppression, maybe you should look at yourselves So I can see that I'm dealing with a brilliant mind here, so I'll take this slowly. You say blacks commit more crimes, but I already gave evidence as to why that's silly. For one, FBI statistics cover crimes which were prosecuted. So crimes for which someone isn't arrested isn't going to be covered. It's well known that drug crimes account for a bit more than half of all arrests & imprisonments, and marijuana arrests account from about 52% of drug arrests. To directly refute you, the problem is that we KNOW that drug arrests are not proportional to drug usage. Black Americans use drugs slightly less than white Americans, and yet get arrested 4 times more than whites Americans for the same crime: (Source: ACLU, "Marijuana By The Numbers") And based on the data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics, we know that about 70% of convicted criminals return to doing crime. In other words, it's not surprising that black arrests are greater given A) Demonstrably racist arrests & B) The tendency (across all groups) towards recidivism. I don't blame everything on racism. But likewise, I'm not so stupid as you as to claim racism is some imaginary force. You did exactly what I said racists tend to do: Be staunchly ignorant so that they (you) can moralize about another community. |
| So we don't go back to being idiotic and enslaving other human beings. |
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Yeah the problem is your propaganda graph only acknowledges one kind of crime which is marijuana possession, and ignores the much larger amount of violent crime in black communities. A higher amount of arrests for marijuana possession is just a side effect of needing a larger and more dilligent police force in those communities |
Lol, how is it propaganda? I used the graph for marijuana for one obvious reason, which I stated in that post: Marijuana arrests account for 52% of all drug arrests, i.e. the majority. So of course Im going to go with what is responsible for the majority of arrests. Your comment is merely making an unsubstantiated claim in the face of facts which contradicted your petulant narrative. Black people don't commit 4 to 8 times more crimes than white people, so your speculative claim doesn't even make sense here. |
None of the graphs you posted say that marijuana possession is responsible for the majority of arrests. They claim it's responsible for the majority of DRUG RELATED arrests. But even assuming marijuana possession was the most common cause for arrest, that does not make it the largest problem. Violent crime is still the primary concern, a large amount of drug related arrests is simply a result of having a larger police force. If you want to argue against anything, argue against marijuana laws. But this has nothing to do with "racism". |
xrockxz89 said: White people have done a lot of fucked up shit man, and those historical patterns are persisting to this day. Weird, I know, but people who weren't actually enslaved in the 1800's are still mad about slavery! Go figure! This is why it's really important to learn about historical oppression and not forget about it simply because it's convenient. However, the slaves in America are not the only people in history to be kept as slaves. Many people, from parts of Europe, Africa, and Asia were kept as slaves by Arabs from the 7th through 20th centuries. Source. The North African slave markets traded also in European slaves. The European slaves were acquired by Barbary pirates in slave raids on ships and by raids on coastal towns from Italy to Spain, Portugal, France, England, the Netherlands, and as far afield as Iceland. Men, women, and children were captured, to such a devastating extent that vast numbers of sea coast towns were abandoned. Ohio State University history Professor Robert Davis describes the white slave trade as minimized by most modern historians in his book Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters: White Slavery in the Mediterranean, the Barbary Coast and Italy, 1500-1800 (Palgrave Macmillan).[63] Davis estimates that 1 million to 1.25 million White Christian Europeans were enslaved in North Africa, from the beginning of the 16th century to the middle of the 18th, by slave traders from Tunis, Algiers, and Tripoli alone (these numbers do not include the European people which were enslaved by Morocco and by other raiders and traders of the Mediterranean Sea coast),[63] and roughly 700 Americans were held captive in this region as slaves between 1785 and 1815.[64] 16th- and 17th-century customs statistics suggest that Istanbul's additional slave import from the Black Sea may have totaled around 2.5 million from 1450 to 1700.[65] In the 1800s, the slave trade from Africa to the Islamic countries picked up significantly. When the European slave trade ended around the 1850s, the slave trade to the east picked up significantly only to be ended with European colonization of Africa around 1900. So why are black Americans the only ones still going on about slavery? If we all carried the guilt of things our ancestors had done, then none of us would be free of it and we would all be able to cry "OPPRESSION!" based on one thing or another. |
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they aren't.... a lot of people are still a bit sore about not only issues of slavery but of colonialism. I know it was a different generation, but that's just how it works! The historical trends continue... |
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xrockxz89 said: they aren't.... a lot of people are still a bit sore about not only issues of slavery but of colonialism. I know it was a different generation, but that's just how it works! The historical trends continue... A) Black people are the only people I see getting salty about the past. B) Why is this the only piece of my entire paragraph of (albeit slightly inebriated) point that you chose to address? |
Inly said: xrockxz89 said: they aren't.... a lot of people are still a bit sore about not only issues of slavery but of colonialism. I know it was a different generation, but that's just how it works! The historical trends continue... A) Black people are the only people I see getting salty about the past. B) Why is this the only piece of my entire paragraph of (albeit slightly inebriated) point that you chose to address? I felt it was the most crucial point :/ I don't think black people are the only ones getting salty... i think different groups just express that in different ways... |
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| It is good to understand history but so being consumed by something that happened years ago. People today act like it is 1960s. We should be more like the jews and move on. They are a very successful group of people who don't let history define them. |
| Nah it doesn't mean shit, they're just a bunch of generalizing dumbasses who create situations to make their lives harder Assuming all white people come from the same background of, anglo-saxon white slave owners is beyond ignorant, not even considering the Irish, Italian, Polish, and other Catholic immigrants faced the same kind of discrimination in the 19th century that modern minorities deal with. As well as the majority of southerners working as farmers or sharecroppers, and only the upper class being plantation owners. But nope, skin color equates to guilt and eternal shame in our past regardless of personal circumstances. Yet generalizing a group like Hispanics would be unbelievable. On the subject of appropriation, America was built upon it, we have no culture without it, we have advanced too far to look back now. It is irreversible and should be accepted, lying about ancestry however, is unacceptable, such as the incredibly high amount of southerners claiming Cherokee and Creek descendence so that they don't admit they originate from England. Most countries don't actually care about cultural appropriation, especially if they're a smaller culture such as Caribbean or Latin American nations, they take it as a compliment that a more influential culture is taking interest in what they pride themselves in. Even in countries like Japan or Korea which are an often poked offender of those claiming cultural appropriation, seem to enjoy the spread of their culture. Most notably Korea would be a subject of cultural appropriation for taking so many aspects of black hip-hop culture into their fashion and music industry, but since they're yellow it's okay. |
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MindForged said: I tend to call people racist when I think they say racist things, but we'll get to that. Now, you are just being an ignorant asshole. You're argument basically says we should ignore history. After all, the way things were in the last don't have any effect on why things are the way they are currently... 😂 It's not just slavery. It's slavery, followed by Reconstruction-era bullshit (which also included the virtual return of slavery via mass imprisonment of blacks to get cheap labor), followed by Jim Crow, followed by the still existing "War on Drugs". And with the War on drugs specifically, it was created to be racist, according to a Nixon administration admin: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-richard-nixon-drug-war-blacks-hippie/index.html And no, blacks don't smoke marijuana more than whites, and yet are arrested 4-8 times more than whites for the same crime: Now, I'm half-black, but I have no problem with people criticizing the black community. In fact, I know plenty of activists who manage to criticize the black community without being racist. The problem is that most people "criticizing" the black community tend to: 1) Try to ignore history so they can moralize about the superiority of their culture 2) Ignore how the law is actually enforced, so they can pretend everyone is equal before the law (in practice). This allows them to moralize about "Black culture" and how all the problems that black Americans face are the result of some inherent moral failing in their culture. 3) Say that they're not racist because they're criticizing "Black culture". All this ends up being is a proxy for race. "Black culture" for these people ends up being this transcendent core that someone explains all of the problems in that community. All the while, they say the exact crap that white racists have said for centuries. Now are you racist? Your comment didn't leave me too optimistic in giving you the benefit of the doubt. But whatever, I don't care, because in the end you are simply wrong. >Asks honest question about why historical oppression even matters >Called racist. k Besides, I didn't even mention the word 'black' in my post, I don't know how you came to the conclusion that I'm 'criticizing' the 'black culture'. Besides, that still doesn't explain why ''''''historically oppressed'''''' groups such as you lot need 'safe spaces' made for yourselves. |
NovxM said: PoeticJustice said: It is good to understand history but so being consumed by something that happened years ago. People today act like it is 1960s. We should be more like the jews and move on.  The annual movie about the second world war and the fact that this community is pretty much "untouchable" is your definition of "moving on"? making movies doesn't mean they can't move on. and they are not untouchable. Every day the palestinians are trying to kill the jewish people. |
Now are you racist? Your comment didn't leave me too optimistic in giving you the benefit of the doubt. For one, that post wasn't even responding to you. I was responding to the person above my post, @sobanoodle, who was talking about black Americans. Should've mentioned that. [/quote] 1) Safe spaces aren't even relevant to anything I've said in this thread. 2) Nice use of quotes. They really supplement your argument. 3) I don't get the feeling you understand what a safe space is. Rather, I suspect what you've heard about safe spaces comes to down uncritically parroting what you've heard other people say. The short answer is that safe spaces are areas where people of (yes) disadvantaged groups can get together & discuss the problems they face in common. In other words, discussing things in a setting where the focus is on how to deal with shared issues, as opposed to debating people would deny the very existence of the problems they experience. It's more or less the same thing as Alcoholics Anonymous.[/quote] Right, so I'm not sure what kind of safe spaces you've had interaction with, but I've been to this meet up for south and central asians and all they did was circle jerk about their culture and bitch and moan about so called 'micro-aggressions' that they were put through every few minutes. They hardly even tried to discussed any of the issues that they might've been facing. Talking about issues regarding race is something they could've done (probably even better) without the provision of a safe space. It was basically a pointless echo chamber. |
| Historical oppression DOES matter because every historical event has influence on today's events. Look how Germany is empty of Jews. Do you have Black people would've stayed in poverty if they weren't raised in slavery? But cultural appropriation is bullshit. No culture is holy and deserves to be protected. A culture is a collection of ideas, and no culture is perfect. That's why they must be appropriated, dismantled, mocked, destroyed and replaced constantly. |
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xrockxz89 said: I felt it was the most crucial point :/ I don't think black people are the only ones getting salty... i think different groups just express that in different ways... Really? You felt the most crucial part of what I said wasn't "Everyone's been a dick to everyone else at some point in history, so any sense of inherited or cultural guilt as a result of that is ridiculous", but the part were I said black people get salty. OK. Black people are the only ones I see getting salty about this. Them, and White Saviours who are so damn desperate to not be labelled racist that they will agree with any ridiculous thing tumblr social justice tells them to. |
MindForged said: "Didn't leave me optimistic" is not "You are a racist", especially since immediately after that I said I didn't care either way. Ahh. The good ol' anti-insult. Works every time doesn't it? Or you could pay attention. I responded to your OP in a post prior the one that has you in a tizzy. Pay attention to what? There's nothing in that post that indicated that it was directed towards the user who posted above you. You'll forgive me if I don't believe you, given its the same drivel people repeat endlessly. But let's assume I'm being unfair; you could well be correct. And yet you'd still be wrong in pretending that your experience with one group tells you anything about all or most such groups. This is the very definition of a hasty generalization fallacy. Yeah, sure, maybe not all safe spaces are like that. But that one 3 hour long meetup didn't make a very good impression on me. That's all I can say about safe spaces. I've yet to see evidence of this being better done without a safe space (not that you seem to be accurately portraying a safe space to begin with). Most fox news debates are probably way more effective than safe spaces will ever be. Try conveying a message out to an audience and take matters into your own hands instead of coddling yourselves and jerking each other off. I mean how do expect to get anything without opposing opinions? Besides, this argument amounts to nothing since the post wasn't meant for me anyway. Try using the quote function next time.. TheBrainintheJar said: Historical oppression DOES matter because every historical event has influence on today's events. Look how Germany is empty of Jews. But is it okay for jews to hold resentment towards germans for what happened before any of them were even born? But cultural appropriation is bullshit. No culture is holy and deserves to be protected. A culture is a collection of ideas, and no culture is perfect. That's why they must be appropriated, dismantled, mocked, destroyed and replaced constantly. You don't need to dismantle older cultures to have a new/better one. You can remove the more toxic or harmful parts and this way the culture evolves on its own along with the passage of time.. |
Inly said: xrockxz89 said: I felt it was the most crucial point :/ I don't think black people are the only ones getting salty... i think different groups just express that in different ways... Really? You felt the most crucial part of what I said wasn't "Everyone's been a dick to everyone else at some point in history, so any sense of inherited or cultural guilt as a result of that is ridiculous", but the part were I said black people get salty. OK. Black people are the only ones I see getting salty about this. Them, and White Saviours who are so damn desperate to not be labelled racist that they will agree with any ridiculous thing tumblr social justice tells them to. Hah. Like yeah bro really. Reeeeaaaaallllllyyyyyyyy |
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| the oppression of 100 years ago cannot be used to show today's oppression. the perpetrators and victims are long gone so they cannot be punished or helped |
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TheBrainintheJar said: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/02/09/europes-jewish-population/Historical oppression DOES matter because every historical event has influence on today's events. Look how Germany is empty of Jews. Get your facts straight, there are roughly 230,000 jews in Germany. More than there were in pre-Nazi Germany. |
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