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Looks like Hyuse is gonna go with Kogetsu.

Sep 21, 2016 12:56 AM

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Is the newbie trio going to try to pick on Hyuse?

Also, just Kogetsu? Well, it might be just for the first day, or maybe he chose it because it was the fastest way to climb the ranks, but I hope he won't be just another senku kogetsu user. There'll probably be more.

Sep 21, 2016 1:34 AM

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Yup, new idiots trio. History repeat itself.

Huyse choose Kogetsu, maybe when he reach B rank he will chose all rounder. Shooter or gunner is a question.

And that too flashy Huyse, too flashy.

Sep 21, 2016 1:40 AM

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Comments:
- as chippo predicted, Hyuse takes atracker position because T-2 needs a vanguard. But surprisingly he uses kougetsu.
- lol hyuse reached B rank in a few hours already thanks to Border new system. Rather than awarding c-rankers with starting points arbirtarily, it seems that now starting points are awarded based on performance during 5 round of 5 people free for all. Hyuse started with 3000 as a result and harvested another 1000 from the idiot trio. Also, he's popular with girls (they willingly joined his group and got defeated so he would remember them), while he's totally hated by guys (they ganged on him)
- lol at Hyuse's competitiveness. 1.5 second against trion soldier was not good enough for him. He wanted to retry until he beats the record holder (yuuma)
- hyuse understandingly steamrolls the b-ranked attackers in handycap solo wars (one trigger only, cuz it's unfair for hyuse who only has 1 trigger atm). Even Tsuji, who got roped unknowingly, lost 2-5. Next week, vs Ikoma with 11177 solo points. I wonder if Jin is the 5th attacker because his solo points were frozen when he became S rank.
- it seems that Tsuji remarks that Hyuse's fighting style is very different from anyone at border. It's akin to someone who can fight with real swords (not sure if this lasr remark refers to Hyuse or Ikoma, most likely Hyuse)

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I think Hyuse might go with

Main: Kogetsu, Viper, Shield, ???.

Sub: Bagworm, Chameleon, Shield, Asteroid .

Sep 21, 2016 2:40 AM

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dat_le_tat said:
Yup, new idiots trio. History repeat itself.

Huyse choose Kogetsu, maybe when he reach B rank he will chose all rounder. Shooter or gunner is a question.

And that too flashy Huyse, too flashy.

I think shooter is better for hyuse. It's more versatile than gunner, and the gunner's range advantage is not that needed anyway because hyuse has high trion.

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I think Hyuse might go with

Main: Kogetsu, Viper, Shield, ???.

Sub: Bagworm, Chameleon, Shield, Asteroid .

I somehow got this configuration

Main : Kogetsu, Senkuu, Shield, Chameleon
Sub : Asteroid, Viper, Shield, Bagworm

Edit: Now that I think about it, if Hyuse is really confident with his skill, he might omits his bagworm altogether.

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Damn. I forgot about Senku altogether. Yeah. ??? now becomes senku.

Sep 21, 2016 3:04 AM

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I forgot to mention WT will be absent next week.

Sep 21, 2016 3:56 AM

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p-kun said:
I forgot to mention WT will be absent next week.

well, it has been quite some time since the last break and round 6 is over now. this is the kind of break I won't mind at all (looking at you hxh)

Sep 21, 2016 4:00 AM

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Ngl I would probably be one of those girls haha!!

Go Hyuse! (^o^)/

Sep 21, 2016 4:08 AM

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Who is the attacker who lost to Hyuse 5-0? Is he one of the members of Yuba Unit, or we are yet to see his Squad at all?

Sep 21, 2016 4:13 AM

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Next week, vs Ikoma with 11177 solo points. I wonder if Jin is the 5th attacker because his solo points were frozen when he became S rank.

Shiro Kikuchihara could be the 5th attacker. He has a cool SE and during his selection/practice session of the away mission he fought with Jin and he said that Jin was not a tough opponent, though I doubt Jin fought him seriously! So he might be the attacker no. 5.

Sep 21, 2016 4:26 AM

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Kogetsu? o.O
I seriously expected him to go with Scorpion. Oh well, this should be interesting, also he could still add more things later on after getting a combat Trigger.

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Who is the attacker who lost to Hyuse 5-0? Is he one of the members of Yuba Unit, or we are yet to see his Squad at all?

That looks like Katori's squad uniform, so I bet it's Miura. Poor guy.

Sep 21, 2016 4:29 AM

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Botato said:

Uma_double12 said:
Who is the attacker who lost to Hyuse 5-0? Is he one of the members of Yuba Unit, or we are yet to see his Squad at all?

That looks like Katori's squad uniform, so I bet it's Miura. Poor guy.

"Poor guy" - LMAO when you said that.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that is he. Just look for the Chameleon "dots" and his gloves.

Also, welcome @kuhakkuuu

"[...]I have to admit I'm not a big anime fan. Most anime that makes it over here seems to be either about schoolgirls with supernatural powers who battle evil, or adolescent boys who - for some convoluted reason - wind up having to pilot big giant robots...although, today, you just need to put some boobs or harem and fantasy and it'll be 10/10."

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Uma_double12 said:
Who is the attacker who lost to Hyuse 5-0? Is he one of the members of Yuba Unit, or we are yet to see his Squad at all?

That's Miura from Katori squad.

I think all of the attackers would be B-Rank. So the 5th Attacker may be Murakami.

Sep 21, 2016 4:45 AM

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Uma_double12 said:
Who is the attacker who lost to Hyuse 5-0? Is he one of the members of Yuba Unit, or we are yet to see his Squad at all?

That's Miura from Katori squad.

I think all of the attackers would be B-Rank. So the 5th Attacker may be Murakami.

He is 4th attacker, so nope.

Sep 21, 2016 4:51 AM

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Uma_double12 said:
Who is the attacker who lost to Hyuse 5-0? Is he one of the members of Yuba Unit, or we are yet to see his Squad at all?

Koarai (7280), Sasamori (7452), Tomoe (7009), and Miura (7407) all lost to Hyuse 0-5 or 1-5 (Sasamori). Koarai is the matchmaker in the group, roping Tsuji and Ikoma against Hyuse.

What's surprising is how high Miura's points are, considering he got clowned by Osamu. Tomoe did better against Yuuma and yet his points are smaller. Granted, Miura was distracted, but still.

BTW, Kikuchihara's BBF stat and performance is too poor to be the 5th. He's probably 9000+ at most, around Yoneya level.

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But that panel of Sasamori shows he got one round.

Sep 21, 2016 5:06 AM

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^^ My mistake. I'll fix it.

Sep 21, 2016 5:20 AM

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The second funniest thing about this chapter is actually the TOC ranking (Ikoma poking Arashiyama's cheek is the first). Compared to the chapter ranked last week, the rank is middling. Clearly the first hyped chapter of round 6 < eggplant curry.

Sep 21, 2016 5:33 AM

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Btw I can't believe just yesterday I was saying Hyuse fighting official agents won't be fair, now Ashihara does it fairly anyway xD
He knows what the fans want to see, but also makes it reasonable. As good as Hyuse is, steamrolling these guys while they use combat Triggers would be hard to swallow.

Also we are already getting more Ikoma, I hope it stays that way.

Sep 21, 2016 5:46 AM

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Who said "Good job! You avenged us."? LMFAO! That's like rubbing salt in Sasamori's wounds.

EDIT: And yeah, I agree with p-kun. Ikoma poking Arashiyama's cheek was the most hilarious thing in this chapter lol

Sep 21, 2016 6:21 AM

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p-kun said:

Uma_double12 said:
Who is the attacker who lost to Hyuse 5-0? Is he one of the members of Yuba Unit, or we are yet to see his Squad at all?

Koarai (7280), Sasamori (7452), Tomoe (7009), and Miura (7407) all lost to Hyuse 0-5 or 1-5 (Sasamori). Koarai is the matchmaker in the group, roping Tsuji and Ikoma against Hyuse.

What's surprising is how high Miura's points are, considering he got clowned by Osamu. Tomoe did better against Yuuma and yet his points are smaller. Granted, Miura was distracted, but still.

BTW, Kikuchihara's BBF stat and performance is too poor to be the 5th. He's probably 9000+ at most, around Yoneya level.

Now, I have a question, does border's individual ranking truly represent the actual hierarchy of the combatants? I mean, they rank the attackers based on their total points, so could it be that Ikoma is more powerful than the other attackers above him- rank wise?

Sep 21, 2016 6:43 AM

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Uma_double12 said:

Now, I have a question, does border's individual ranking truly represent the actual hierarchy of the combatants? I mean, they rank the attackers based on their total points, so could it be that Ikoma is more powerful than the other attackers above him- rank wise?

No, but the stat spread a fairly good indication on how someone will perform. In general, agents that have around the same solo points (with Kage and Yuuma as expections) or agents with stats comparable to their peers with the same position (attackers with attackers, gunners with gunners, etc) are roughly of the same performance.

Sep 21, 2016 6:53 AM

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Btw I can't believe just yesterday I was saying Hyuse fighting official agents won't be fair, now Ashihara does it fairly anyway xD
He knows what the fans want to see, but also makes it reasonable. As good as Hyuse is, steamrolling these guys while they use combat Triggers would be hard to swallow.

Also we are already getting more Ikoma, I hope it stays that way.

Though I don't think having their full trigger sets would have helped them that much. Kogetsu users are pretty much rely on their fundamentals.

Sep 21, 2016 7:09 AM

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a B rank tie with Kazama in PVP
a white hair demon with perfect score
a trion monster that block the wall off
a foreign with one trigger and reach b rank in zero days

NICE... well he be so stubborn only equip with kogetsu to fight in rank b battle??

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Dues-aj said:

Botato said:
Btw I can't believe just yesterday I was saying Hyuse fighting official agents won't be fair, now Ashihara does it fairly anyway xD
He knows what the fans want to see, but also makes it reasonable. As good as Hyuse is, steamrolling these guys while they use combat Triggers would be hard to swallow.

Also we are already getting more Ikoma, I hope it stays that way.

Though I don't think having their full trigger sets would have helped them that much. Kogetsu users are pretty much rely on their fundamentals.

With Tsuji it might not have been that different, unless Senkuu helps him more than I expect.
The others have Grasshopper or Chameleon both of which give them far more options, Tomoe doesn't but he has Hound so. I think they would at least get 1-2 more rounds than this.

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How many of the Border agents know that Hyuse is actually a neighbor - an Aftokrator?

So far the people aware of are:

Jin, Konami, Kizaki, Torimaru, Osamu, Chika, Yuma, Usami, Arashiyama, Tokieda (I don't think Arashiyama told to Kitora and Satori), and who else do you think??

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You forgot Kikuchihara. He was present in Hyuse's interrogation due to his SE.

Sep 21, 2016 9:56 AM

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using only kogetsu will show how much swordsmanship you have.
that why tsuji lost , now we will see ikoma ...

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- it seems that Tsuji remarks that Hyuse's fighting style is very different from anyone at border. It's akin to someone who can fight with real swords (not sure if this lasr remark refers to Hyuse or Ikoma, most likely Hyuse)

maybe he lean how to use sword from viza (the master of sowrdman) that why he use it like real sowrd man.

Sorry for my bad english

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teesprantum said:
using only kogetsu will show how much swordsmanship you have.
that why tsuji lost , now we will see ikoma ...

I feel like Ikoma has a swordsmanship background. Maybe involved in kenpo clubs (or something similar) before joining border. I hope the first two rounds is Ikoma's loss and only because he keeps trying to use senkuu when he doesnt have it. Then he wins the next three when he gets used to just kogetsu.

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I want to say I do like Border's new starting points system. It seems like it will work pretty well for the new larger influx of agents. Though I'm curious if the old system accounted for things that the new system dosen't?

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deadmanwalking13 said:

teesprantum said:
using only kogetsu will show how much swordsmanship you have.
that why tsuji lost , now we will see ikoma ...

I feel like Ikoma has a swordsmanship background. Maybe involved in kenpo clubs (or something similar) before joining border. I hope the first two rounds is Ikoma's loss and only because he keeps trying to use senkuu when he doesnt have it. Then he wins the next three when he gets used to just kogetsu.

I wouldn't be surprised if he did. His Senkuu attack is very similar to the "Quick Draw" style you see by some anime swordsmen. Hard to pin down exactly what the style is since it's normally exaggerated.

More than anything though, could Hyuse break that cool and casual exterior of Ikoma's? What food recommendation will Ikoma give Hyuse? Can the solo matches be changed to allow for 3 points for the last win? Should the title of the Manga be changed to "World Trigger. ft. Ikoma!" ?

Let's all wait two weeks to find out!

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Dues-aj said:
I want to say I do like Border's new starting points system. It seems like it will work pretty well for the new larger influx of agents. Though I'm curious if the old system accounted for things that the new system dosen't?

Well it's hard to say since we don't know what the old system was like. We know it definitely wasn't combat training against Trion soldiers, judging by the reaction of C-Ranks to that back in enlistment arc.
So it probably was basic training like the things Yuma did. Would make sense that if they can already do them well to give them some kind of boost. Also maybe testing their physical abilities and athletics etc.

It's possible they had one on one duels as well. In this chapter it just felt like Border didn't have the time to do that anymore, so they came up with this method to judge a larger pool of people faster. Think of Hunter X Hunter Greed Island arc (spoilers)

Probably not as well detailed or accurate (not to mention it could be unfair for some) compared to the earlier method, but it gets the job done + raises competitive levels which is good.

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deadmanwalking13 said:

teesprantum said:
using only kogetsu will show how much swordsmanship you have.
that why tsuji lost , now we will see ikoma ...

I feel like Ikoma has a swordsmanship background. Maybe involved in kenpo clubs (or something similar) before joining border. I hope the first two rounds is Ikoma's loss and only because he keeps trying to use senkuu when he doesnt have it. Then he wins the next three when he gets used to just kogetsu.

i hope they tie, but as a chapter said hyuse using this time to be familliar again using a sword while ikoma always using it. and yes ikoma senku its like quick draw style..

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I can see Hyuse becoming friend with Tachikawa and enjoy fighting each other. Tachikawa wouldn't even mind Hyuse being a neighbor since he is catholic, just like Jin.

I have been wondering for a while, the whole ranking system and virtual combat process were to improve the combat level of the Border's agents; so don't the Black Trigger users need to practice in virtual space and whet their skills? Or, the Black Trigger holders only fight during the practice session of Away Mission and the selected A rank units fight against the BT holder as a team and improve their teamwork.

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Previously I'd been wondering who they would get drawn against in the last two matches. Nino & Kage is guaranteed at some point, so I'm presuming they'll be together as the last match.

After this chapter, I'm expecting Ikoma to beat Hyuse, and for the next match to include Ikoma and Yuba (maybe Azuma as well)

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Uma_double12 said:
I can see Hyuse becoming friend with Tachikawa and enjoy fighting each other. Tachikawa wouldn't even mind Hyuse being a neighbor since he is catholic, just like Jin.

I have been wondering for a while, the whole ranking system and virtual combat process were to improve the combat level of the Border's agents; so don't the Black Trigger users need to practice in virtual space and whet their skills? Or, the Black Trigger holders only fight during the practice session of Away Mission and the selected A rank units fight against the BT holder as a team and improve their teamwork.

Well, Jin is teaching people how to use Fujin, it's just not something Ashihara wants to show us yet so we just have to assume Fujin training happens off screen. Also Amou just wipes the virtual map in his BT form so Border either assumes his training is unnecessary as long as his targets are hordes of Trion soldiers, or they just still don't have the right set up to let him train. Either way we first need to see more of Amou before we inquire about his BT training, he has criminally low screen time ;_;

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Wow, we get a lot of pages dedicated to Hyuse wrecking people.

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^^ He looked so bored XD. And he was still smiling during the first bout. Poor him.

BTW, Hyuse defeated 16 people, times 120 gives us 1920. Plus training, he got 2000, so this means he only scored 80 in training, rather than the perfect score of 100 that Yuuma got. I wonder which type of training was his weakness. Stealth? Mobility?

I think we'll see Yuba team next. Also, I want indoor map next round. I hope the next enemy chooses museum map.

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Museum would be cool, but I really want to see the forest map.

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p-kun said:
^^ He looked so bored XD. And he was still smiling during the first bout. Poor him.

BTW, Hyuse defeated 16 people, times 120 gives us 1920. Plus training, he got 2000, so this means he only scored 80 in training, rather than the perfect score of 100 that Yuuma got. I wonder which type of training was his weakness. Stealth? Mobility?

I think we'll see Yuba team next. Also, I want indoor map next round. I hope the next enemy chooses museum map.

According to BBF, Hyuse Abilities are:

Trion--Attack--Defense/Support--Mobility--Skill--Range--Command--Special Tactics--Total
18------12---------------24--------------13-------9------4-----------6-----------10 --------------96

Though it is based on Lymphiris's but since his attack, defence and mobility are respectively 12, 24, and 13 so it's very surprising that he didn't manage to score 100 in the training. It would be great to see Ikoma pushing Hyuse in the next chapter.

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this maybe leave an impression to the rest of B-rank teams of hyuse good at sword fighting , and the next rank match they will be surprise like "i thought he is attacker but why its raining viper here" well not really viper any other bullet will do.

hope he get some shooter/gunner trigger

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Uma_double12 said:

p-kun said:
^^ He looked so bored XD. And he was still smiling during the first bout. Poor him.

BTW, Hyuse defeated 16 people, times 120 gives us 1920. Plus training, he got 2000, so this means he only scored 80 in training, rather than the perfect score of 100 that Yuuma got. I wonder which type of training was his weakness. Stealth? Mobility?

I think we'll see Yuba team next. Also, I want indoor map next round. I hope the next enemy chooses museum map.

According to BBF, Hyuse Abilities are:

Trion--Attack--Defense/Support--Mobility--Skill--Range--Command--Special Tactics--Total
18------12---------------24--------------13-------9------4-----------6-----------10 --------------96

Though it is based on Lymphiris's but since his attack, defence and mobility are respectively 12, 24, and 13 so it's very surprising that he didn't manage to score 100 in the training. It would be great to see Ikoma pushing Hyuse in the next chapter.

I think if Hyuse lost 2 against someone with 8k, he could easily lose a full set against Ikoma. Not that it wouldn't be competitive, but you don't get to 11k for no reason and you can see that even a 1000 point jump nabbed another win over the agents in the mid 7000's.

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Good chapter.

I was right when I thought Hyuse would start with 1000 points, but I suprised he rose B rank in a half of day. But I'm not complaining of the new way to become B rank, if someone has a 19 wins 0 defeats, he merits to be B rank.

it's interesting Hyuse takes kotetsu as a main trigger. It has a some consequences. I think except Miwa, all kotetsu users has Senku too. If he isn't a except too, it means he has a free slot in main trigger and 2 free slots in sub triggers after he adds shields and bagworm..

For me, Ouji's way would be interesting for Hyuse, so it would be something like:

Main: Kotetsu, Senku, viper, shield
Sub: scorpion, Viper, Bagworm, Shield.

Although, Maybe be he can change Scorpion for a movility trigger. Since he has a high movility with Lampiris, maybe he wants to strengthen it.
It would be sad if Hyuse doesn't use shooter (o gunner) triggers because he has a high level of trion.

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^^ He looked so bored XD. And he was still smiling during the first bout. Poor him.

BTW, Hyuse defeated 16 people, times 120 gives us 1920. Plus training, he got 2000, so this means he only scored 80 in training, rather than the perfect score of 100 that Yuuma got. I wonder which type of training was his weakness. Stealth? Mobility?

I think we'll see Yuba team next. Also, I want indoor map next round. I hope the next enemy chooses museum map.

Hyuse doesn't look like the funniest person in a feast..

Maybe now the training gives less points.

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p-kun said:
^^ He looked so bored XD. And he was still smiling during the first bout. Poor him.

BTW, Hyuse defeated 16 people, times 120 gives us 1920. Plus training, he got 2000, so this means he only scored 80 in training, rather than the perfect score of 100 that Yuuma got. I wonder which type of training was his weakness. Stealth? Mobility?

I think we'll see Yuba team next. Also, I want indoor map next round. I hope the next enemy chooses museum map.

According to BBF, Hyuse Abilities are:

Trion--Attack--Defense/Support--Mobility--Skill--Range--Command--Special Tactics--Total
18------12---------------24--------------13-------9------4-----------6-----------10 --------------96

Though it is based on Lymphiris's but since his attack, defence and mobility are respectively 12, 24, and 13 so it's very surprising that he didn't manage to score 100 in the training. It would be great to see Ikoma pushing Hyuse in the next chapter.

Well, I think Hyuse will not rise much his Def/Supp because he wants to be an ace, but his high movility makes me to think he maybe takes a mobility trigger for strenghten it.(teleporter, grasshopper or Idaten)

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Uma_double12 said:

According to BBF, Hyuse Abilities are:

Trion--Attack--Defense/Support--Mobility--Skill--Range--Command--Special Tactics--Total
18------12---------------24--------------13-------9------4-----------6-----------10 --------------96

Though it is based on Lymphiris's but since his attack, defence and mobility are respectively 12, 24, and 13 so it's very surprising that he didn't manage to score 100 in the training. It would be great to see Ikoma pushing Hyuse in the next chapter.

I think if Hyuse lost 2 against someone with 8k, he could easily lose a full set against Ikoma. Not that it wouldn't be competitive, but you don't get to 11k for no reason and you can see that even a 1000 point jump nabbed another win over the agents in the mid 7000's.

It looks like Ikoma would be the wall for Hyuse in the same way than Murakami is the wall for Yuuma

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Hyuse will win cuz ikom will use only one trigger (kotetsu),
ikom he is not really good with kotetsu he is good only with senku,
Hyuse 5-4 ikom

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YO0 said:
Hyuse will win cuz ikom will use only one trigger (kotetsu),
ikom he is not really good with kotetsu he is good only with senku,
Hyuse 5-4 ikom

I'm not sure Ikoma is good only with senku. Well, after all, we know that in two weeks

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