| I agree I actually really enjoyed this anime crappy CGI aside. |
| there is a reason why absolute mess anime like aldnoah zero and fate franchise get high score. pretty animation & cool OST. it overshadows any kind of character/story/etcetcetcetc even the most mediocre show tales of zestiria get heavily praised because of it's unlimited budget tldr visual is everything |
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| First of all, 6.74 is not such a low score. It's not great but it's still around the global mean. I enjoyed watching Berserk as well, however I recognise that it was executed poorly. The plot is good but it omits some stuff from the manga and only really picks up after a few episodes. You can't do that in a short, 12 episode show that also heavily relies on the storytelling as its main hook. It's the technical aspects, however, that killed the score of this show, most notably the CGI, which is horrible. If you think that it wasn't 'that bad', it mighty just mean you have a lower standard than most people and are not bothered by it. But then again, directing is apalling, camera shots are weird, sound design kinda sucks too... There's just too many shortcomings that take a considerable toll on the overall quality of the show. You say that "a score below 7 its an insult" but to me anything above 5 is just too much for a show that doesn't deliver on anything but the story (and not even fully on that). |
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| The main reason must be the bad CGI...no one likes it, the story is amazing, coz Berserk is a masterpiece, but the studio is not helping... |
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| People hate CGI, and not without reason. |
| Be thankful for the wisdom granted to you. |
| because you have shit taste and thinking that this deserves higher aggregate rating then ting! shit taste proven MortalMelancholy said: People hate CGI, and not without reason. why, should there be a reason to hate it? |
| I though it was considered generally pretty well received. Is the animation really that bad for 1997? |
Joms said: because you have shit taste and thinking that this deserves higher aggregate rating then ting! shit taste proven MortalMelancholy said: People hate CGI, and not without reason. why, should there be a reason to hate it? Because most of the time, it looks horrible. |
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| I think the score is so low because of people who watched it to 3-4 episode and dropped it. I gave it a 8, i enjoyed it really much, especially the last couple of episodes. And i'm waiting for the new arc ;p |
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br4dl3yb34r said: How can you not take story into account? It is literally the single most important aspect of a tv show or movie. I guess it boils down to one's personal scoring system. The guy decided to not include the story as the anime's merit because the story, as presented in this adaptation is really only good if you've read the manga beforehand. If taken at face value, the plot's presentation was mediocre, especially for the first few episodes. I don't necessarily agree with that method of scoring but I understand the reasoning behind it. Shinnigami said: I think the score is so low because of people who watched it to 3-4 episode and dropped it. I gave it a 8, i enjoyed it really much, especially the last couple of episodes. And i'm waiting for the new arc ;p To be fair, judging by your list, you seem to enjoy everything really much. |
GartoSep 20, 2016 4:08 AM
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zaj said: more than half of the story has been skipped, choppy animation,.. the only saving grace is the soundtrack Which half? Black Swordsman and Lost Children? They aren't too relevant to the Conviction arc. They accommodated for the omissions in the first few episodes, which made them kind of a mess, but it's pretty clear they were focusing on Conviction. Did you lower the score for the other adaptations for skipping BS? |
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| It's not just 'Berserk fanboys' who're rating this show poorly. To look at objective facts, this adaptation omitted some importants parts of the manga. But even if you haven't read the manga, don't you seriously see that the animation looks like something out of a crappy PS 1 game? Anime is a visual medium so art/animation obviously are important, and this show looks like utter shit. If you can't see that well then I don't know what to tell you. If anything this mess is rated way too high. |
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| haven't seen it yet and can already tell how terrible it is. |
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Garto said: Shinnigami said: I think the score is so low because of people who watched it to 3-4 episode and dropped it. I gave it a 8, i enjoyed it really much, especially the last couple of episodes. And i'm waiting for the new arc ;p To be fair, judging by your list, you seem to enjoy everything really much. Honestly, i need to rework my list, cuz i started watching animes for quite some time and my opinion changed really much. If i'm to score them now, most of them will have lower marks :D |
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| They hate it because it objectively sucks |
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MysteriousBanana said: QuattroVaginas said: Which half? Black Swordsman and Lost Children? They aren't too relevant to the Conviction arc. They accommodated for the omissions in the first few episodes, which made them kind of a mess, but it's pretty clear they were focusing on Conviction. Did you lower the score for the other adaptations for skipping BS? To be fair, Miura admitted he didn't know what he was going to do with the story when he first wrote Black Swordsman, it was pretty much angst for the sake of angst, and the Golden Age was basically a step back so he could explain how Guts wound up a raging emo edgelord; the Lost Children story wasn't important in itself, but it did serve the purpose of explaining why Puck became interested in Guts, how Guts finally accepted the annoying elf's companionship (it did happen rather abruptly in the anime), and show that despite being a raging emo edgelord, he still had it in him to protect people (which I suppose the whole saving Isidoro scene was supposed to show that instead somehow). So while most of Black Swordsman could be written off, we did lose a fair bit of character development from Lost Children. See this is the thing when you start from the middle of the story. Development, from what? As you acknowledged, the adaptation established those aspects of Gut's character in its own way, and no one gives a shit about Puck. I would have loved to see Lost Children adapted, but it's pretty much a side arc that didn't need to be under the Conviction umbrella. Wyald is arguably more important to GA than LC to C. So while there is questionable direction and the art and animation is undoubtedly shit, story-wise it's a decent adaptation of Conviction. |
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| The most disappointing thing for me had to be that there were times I actually enjoyed watching it, but then realized how much BETTER it would be if the animation style weren't like it is and the directing were a bit different. Some important scenes also felt kinda hollow in comparison to the manga, but what can you do. I have small gripes like the My Brother remix (although I enjoy it) makes no sense in the context of this arc in Berserk because that song was about the fall of the Tudor Empire. There were a few songs I felt really fit, but this is far from Sagisu's best work in music. |
| Sure this show skipped some of the story, used CGI, and whatever else you may complain about, but for me, it brought back so many good memories. I was on the edge of my seat most of the show cheering on Guts!!! Hell, I haven't gotten this excited in ages watching a show. Compared to most of the shit that's release nowadays, I'll re-watch Berserk any time of the week. Also kick ass music. |
xEDDYx said: Im a fan of the old berserk anime, but have never read the manga. Im not happy with the cgi animation the new series have, but its not as terrible as many claims. I find the old berserk better than this one, but still i enjoy the new series a lot. So much more serious and so much more sense that most of the seasonal hits have, i wont say its perfect, but a score below 7 its an insult. I dont know how does the anime do to the source material, but still, its insulting. Can somone explain it while beeing objective? Let them complain all they want, we're still getting a 2nd season, so they can fuck off and go enjoy shows they like. |
| As consumers we should be critical of everything, telling others or yourself that a below average product is good damages the industry, it's the same for anime, games, movies, etc. Anime might not be on the same level of using CGI as movies but it can do CGI good, it's just that when it does we barely notice, Berserk(2016) is clearly lacking when it comes to this. As a work of fiction that pretty much created Dark Souls, inspired Dragon's Dogma and started the BFS trope, letting a team that's clearly lacking in both budget and talent produce this is not something that we should be fine with. It saddens me to see when people are so aggressive towards criticism especially in a time when it's needed the most. I understand how much expectations this anime had because of Kentaro Miura's level of detail in the manga and I understand how some people can still enjoy it. However, with as little arrogance as I can, this anime is objectively bad. The directing is below amateur lever, it's confusing, poorly put together, has pitiful staging, overuses DCS, cuts too much, it literally ignores the basics of film making. |
xEDDYx said: I"ve checked your anime scoures and what i notice is very low scores for almoste evrything. I wonder how you keep waching anime at all, i would drop it if i enjoyed it so poorly, there are plenty of other things to do beside waching anime. Many people don't score anime solely based on enjoyment and just include that aspect in their overall score. I did enjoy watching Berserk 2016 but I gave it a 4. You know why? Because of the plethora of reasons that are listed in this thread. It sucks, yet I kinda liked it. How about that. Pozdrawiam. |
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QuattroVaginas said: MysteriousBanana said: To be fair, Miura admitted he didn't know what he was going to do with the story when he first wrote Black Swordsman, it was pretty much angst for the sake of angst, and the Golden Age was basically a step back so he could explain how Guts wound up a raging emo edgelord; the Lost Children story wasn't important in itself, but it did serve the purpose of explaining why Puck became interested in Guts, how Guts finally accepted the annoying elf's companionship (it did happen rather abruptly in the anime), and show that despite being a raging emo edgelord, he still had it in him to protect people (which I suppose the whole saving Isidoro scene was supposed to show that instead somehow). So while most of Black Swordsman could be written off, we did lose a fair bit of character development from Lost Children. See this is the thing when you start from the middle of the story. Development, from what? As you acknowledged, the adaptation established those aspects of Gut's character in its own way, and no one gives a shit about Puck. I would have loved to see Lost Children adapted, but it's pretty much a side arc that didn't need to be under the Conviction umbrella. Wyald is arguably more important to GA than LC to C. So while there is questionable direction and the art and animation is undoubtedly shit, story-wise it's a decent adaptation of Conviction. I agree. Some are complaining because "the story of this adaptation is shit" which... is kind the same thing from the manga? Nothing have changed that much, some skipped scenes, sure, but nothing excesive and if you didn't read the manga I think you can follow the story very well anyway. To be fair, in this case, I think it would be harder to follow the story on the movies than this one here. "But it follows the same premise as the golden arc so it's shit", but it's the same thing in the manga, except if you disliked it too in the manga, then it's ok. I think story-wise it follows well the manga. Yeah, they skipped some things but this is an adaptation after all. To be honest, my biggest complaint is the animation and I hope they do something different with it when they release the second season. |
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| I would call myself a long time Berserk fanboi(it's one of my favourite mangas AND anime). People complained about the original anime, and how it finished, and they also complained about the animation back then too. Every future berserk, they will complain about, ESPECIALLY if it has any CGI. Usually i don't like CGI either, but i think they used it tastefully in the right moments.. i mean, priest Nazgul's stone form looked beastly. I also enjoyed the CGI in series like gantz, if you guys remember those giant buddha statues and other monsters.. they were also scary. This is why i really enjoyed it, even if it didn't stick to the manga storyline or took extreme liberties etc. I don't care, because it's still berserk, and it's new material. I mean, if i wanted the exact manga, i'd just read the manga. My expectations were never high to begin with, and if it was even half decent, i would of enjoyed it. But imo, it's more than just 'half decent', it's actually decent/pretty good. I'd probably give it a solid 8 based on a later, calmer etc reflection, but based on my initial shock and dismay at the low 6.5~ rating and all the 2's and 3's on the written reviews on the front page, well, i had to give it a 9 to balance it out, along with the fact that i just literally finished watching ep 12 ten minutes ago, and i really do feel like it was a 9 based on the enjoyment i got out of it, and how much i was hyped for the next episode.. I haven't watched anime or even TV/Movies for a long time now(because most are trash, just check out the type of anime/manga i like.. i'm a gits/cowboy bebop/seinen fanboi etc). |
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After reading some posts here , i am like this man the anime wasn't that shitty |
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M0HAMEDGAMERX1 said: they didn't explain alot of stuff (like the behelit and why does guts have it and why is the fetus following guts and who the fetus really is ) wish would probably make new comers to the series think that its bad writing when it reality it has far more depth also they skipped one of the best arcs (children's arc) wish had some of the best moments in the series not to mention the fact that they changed guts's character (the way he acts and talks it just feels so different ) and the animation is crap the ps2 game has better animation atleast make it 30 fps for christ sake those are my reasons on why it has such a low score imo it doesn't deserve the praise its getting from other people at all and its a shame that such a masterpiece like berserk have to get this kind of adaptation In old berserk I think in episode 1 they already showed how he obtained the behelit. skipped the arc bad move but I'm ok with that Seiyuu are different... But this new seiyuu have done good job Animation kind of sucks I admit but the story and all the events in the anime are flawless Perhaps if there was fanservices you guys would've rated it higher... For me this berserk 2016 sure hit the spot |
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| It's objectively shit. The fact that it exists is an insult the unrivaled franchise. It deserves an even lower score. |
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M0HAMEDGAMERX1 said: clickmaster said: In old berserk I think in episode 1 they already showed how he obtained the behelit. skipped the arc bad move but I'm ok with that Seiyuu are different... But this new seiyuu have done good job Animation kind of sucks I admit but the story and all the events in the anime are flawless Perhaps if there was fanservices you guys would've rated it higher... For me this berserk 2016 sure hit the spot my problem is not with the anime itself but just with the way they executed it like i said they missed alot of stuff skipped one of the best arcs and didn't explain alot of major plot points in the story the behilet was the first thing they had to explain in this anime considering half the story revolves around it yet they gave it 0 explanation the sound effects were shit too like what the hell ? this anime deserves to be better than this its berserk for crying out loud Well that's what you get for having some huge expectation... I was happy to get the good old series back.... |
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| Because of the shitty animation. That's it. Do you think people will really continue to watch this shitty CGI shit? No. Beside its way better to read the manga than to watch this shitty animation. |
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