Sywed said: because people wanna be as Japanese as possible That's the best post I've seen so far. |
| Because there's usually something off, either a voice that sounds wrong, a name/word that isn't pronounced properly or sounds strange coming from an English speaker, a line that the translator has taken liberties with. You also don't have to deal with hearing Monica Rial in every series if you avoid dubs |
| I disagree with everything you said. To me speaking slow doesn't happen also Japanese is a language that's spoken rather fast compared to English so maybe that's what you "think" your hearing I'm a Dub watcher and the biggest problem with Dubs isn't, acting quality, slow talking, or whatever else, its the talent pool of actors too often you hear the same voices. |
MindForged said: This is often the biggest problem besides the actors themselves simply not being that great.I always assumed that if anything is "off" about English dubs, it's that they have to match the number of syllables from the Japanese dub. This can be hard to do so while maintaining a natural-sounding English sentence. To make it sync with the animation properly you either have to jerkily add words in or say things very quickly and it makes the dialogue sound strange. To actually FIX that problem you basically have to rewrite everything, to compose sentences that fit the animation. That requires someone writing it who won't fuck up the meaning of the conversation. There are few cases where such extensive rewrites are even attempted, and I can only think of one that's mostly succeeded. |
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DateYutaka said: As I've said though, it's virtually impossible to literally translate it and not have it sound weird, because you have to sync with the animation.iv stated my view on this i s about translation accuracy |
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DateYutaka said: It's less about that and simply that translating the words will cause the gaps in the speech and the length of run-on series of words to be different, simply because you're using different words and they're not the same length.TheFilthyCasual said: As I've said though, it's virtually impossible to literally translate it and not have it sound weird, because you have to sync with the animation. overall japanese us shorter languge than English if you go sound by sound s that should maje it eyser than if it polyagitive langauge tht they were ttralatings from so i could undersatbd if they shorten sentac to fit the animation but over all elongaryion should never be needed also overall Japanese is in someways less exxpreeive than English its less tonal for example Japanese and english are in mst other ways imlier more more so than you think Is Japanese really that lacking in tone? Granted I don't speak it, I have no idea. I just know that, for example, Chinese languages are very tonal, so tonal in fact that most English speakers don't even think English is tonal because it's barely present by comparison. |
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DateYutaka said: Well I knew it doesn't have an "L" sound. What else doesn't it have?Japanese is is more contextual based than tonal im conpare to indo euro based language its comes from the limited amount sounds in Japanese |
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| I generally prefer subs over dubs. The only time I don't watch a dub is if it isn't out yet, or the dub is stupidly painful. Most of the time, I feel that seeing the characters speak English allows me to better understand them, as well as the plot. |
| People who put MAL stats in their sigs are losers lol |
| I dislike when series are getting dubbed, not just anime. It ruins the mood for me and no matter how good the dub may be, I can not stand listening to it =/ |
| I watch anime in dub, I don't want to force my eyes unnecessarily (I am a literature student, and already use my eyes for reading all the time). Anime is something I prefer only watching and listening. I have to admit there are some bad dubs, it's inevitable. But most of them are okay. I enjoy them. Maybe because I never tasted Japanese version, though. |
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| Dub vs Sub is the last thing I consider when deciding on an anime. Rather I don't consider it at all. However, if said anime has a dub on my preferred streaming site, I'll watch it. If not I watch the sub and do not seek out other sites because it just isn't that important to me. So, do I find dubs bad? I wouldn't know because I don't have a comparison. It is not like I have watched the same show in sub and dub to compare and I doubt I ever will. What I can say is that I don't feel like I have missed out on anything by selecting one vs the other. To each their own... |
| Because 'Nani nani?' is much cuter than 'What's that?'. And I'm quite interested in Japanese language and culture. When I watch dubs I feel like I'm watching an American cartoon. |
| There are good dubs and bad dubs, just like there are good shows and bad shows. /thread |
MindForged said: karineyn said: I have to admit there are some bad dubs, it's inevitable. But most of them are okay. I enjoy them. Maybe because I never tasted Japanese version, though. I suspect the subs vs. dubs debate in predicated on an exaggeration. It's not true that most japanese VA in anime is good, while most dubs are subpar. Maybe since Japanese isn't the native language (or even spoken by) of most us, we somehow perceive it to be better by comparison than it actually is? Actually, yeah! Makes sense. Since we don't understand anything they say, we just focus on how it sounds. I also enjoy German dubs more than English ones, and my German is not as good as English. Now I think it might have something to do with not being able to evaluate the language. Thanks for the comment! ^_^ |
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| Dubs are good. Really, it's not the 90s anymore. Gone are the days of calling rice cakes jelly donuts. These days if a show is available to me to watch dubbed, I'll usually go for the dub (with a few exceptions). We still get a few duds of a dub here and there but, for the most part, things have improved immensely and dubs are extremely well done. Some high quality recent dubs that come to mind of me are K-On!, Psycho Pass, and Kill la Kill. K-On! and Kill la Kill I watched subbed before I had seen them dubbed and the really hold their own against the high quality of the Japanese original. And now I'll usually opt for the dub of each show if I choose to watch it these days. Psycho Pass, on the other hand, I decided to just dive straight into the dub because I trusted FUNimation and I feel that trust was well placed. Another good example is Panty & Stocking. That show feels like it was made to be in English. There are a few exceptions, like I said. Tamako Market I only just watched for the first time recently, when a dub was available, but I opted for the sub because it just felt stronger to me and from what I've seen of the dub I feel that was a good call because something about the dub just feels... off. But really, the quality of a dub all comes down to the quality of the director. Like, if you look at the director of Kill la Kill's dub, Alex von David, he has an impressive resume of anime dubs. You can have the best voice actors in the world in a dub but when you have a director who's bad or just plain doesn't care that's going to show. |
FTFY. My dislike of dubs stems from having watched a number of foreign films dubbed into English, but also foreign-language films dubbed into French. The problem isn't what language they're speaking in; it's the dub process itself. In live-action film and television, dubs are always going to sound artificial. Yes, I know that many lines in the originals were no doubt touched up later in studio; but in a sub, everything is recorded in a little box. You often have no connection or rapport between actors, and everything sounds artificial. Action films probably suffer the most from.this, or indeed, anything that isn't simply set entirely indoors. There's also the question of balancing timing with translation; sometimes, you end up with an appalling translation of a line just to fit it in the time slot of the original line, and at other times, a line's pacing will be delivered poorly for the same reason. And a very petty reason for my personal distaste of dubs: the lips and voices don't match. A minor problem, but it really gets to me. As such, I've spent my life avoiding dubs in general, so once I started watching anime, I stuck with this trend. Even though most of the arguments I presented above don't seem to be relevant for animation, I still can't bring myself to watch anything in a dubbed version any more. |
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| DUBS gives me epilepsy and asthma :D hahaha very cringe and awkward to hear :D except if it is cartoon not anime :D |
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| I like both. It depends on the anime. |
| I usually only watch dub when I see multiple people saying it's better than the sub (i.e. Beck). |
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| Because 98-99 % of the voice actors American dub companies hire are untalented hacks (and the ones that aren't usually leave the anime dubbing business because cartoon voice acting usually pays off better) and the worst hack of them all is Bryce Papenbrook because he's an Ö-list voice actor who wouldn't be getting so many MC roles had it not been for his "connections" (no this isn't a Jew joke, I'm referring to his parents) That being said, there are a few good English anime dubs, bad seiyuu and Japanese dubs exist, there are lots of talented English voice actors out there (just not in the anime dubbing industry) and both French and German anime voice acting tend to be worse |
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| People don't seem to realize that ~75% of Japanese voice actors couldn't act wet in a rainstorm--they're just tricked into thinking they're any good because they have no understanding of how Japanese is supposed to sound. Hint: The English equivalent of what Japanese voice acting sounds like to a native Japanese speaker is how the acting in the Star Wars prequels sounds to us. As in, wooden as fuck. On the flip side, only about 30% of dub voice actors are even remotely bad, so English dubs have a way, way higher batting average. |
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| Im all for dubs. It takes the edge off having to read and watch. AT the SAME TIME! but in my country, the dubs are crappy [somewhat] recycled pinoy angrishu dubs. bcoz animax. and it gets annoying whn azuman's chiyo has the exact same voice as FT's Happy. they dont even bother with a bit a variation. But I haz glown use to it |
| It's natural for a lot of poeple to prefer and want to experience the original version of any medium, if somehow possible. Subs are the best option for audiovisual media if that's your preference. Quality of the translation/dub is often not even a factor for people like that. Things always get lost in translation so even considering that already requires some sort of willingness to compromise in that regard. Only people who are willing to do that will then start to factor in quality and other factors in their decisions and opinions. That's when things start to get subjective. Aside from perceived quality of the voice acting there are other factors like what version was experienced first, the decisions of the translators (localizing a lot, or sticking closely to the original for example), how adequate each language is for the setting, personal preferences in VAs, etc... As for conversations sounding fake compared to actual conversations, that's not limited to anime. Most movies, series, even books will use a language and pace that's not a 100% accurate representation of reality. Things are more deliberate because everything is constructed from the start. That's not an issue, that's normal as far as I'm concerned. If you want 'real', improvised dialogues in anime then you can watch Peeping Life or Naria girls where you don't really have this 'scripted' feeling to the same degree. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| The reason why I don't particularly enjoy English dubs is because I feel that the Japanese dubs are more of the "original". It is vastly different to me and perhaps because with English as my native language, special movies e.g. in One Piece (Rubber Rubber Jet Gatling?) just sound anything but cool. It's hilarious and a little "lame" to me. On the contrary, I am fine with cartoons LOL. I guess the translation does make things a bit more awkward. |
| The anime community tends to have an unhealthy obsession with source material and original author/intent, often failing to realize that just because something comes from the source doesn't instantly mean it is flawless / beyond improvement. This is a bias in the community not exclusive to dub criticisms in particular, but nonetheless because of this mentality it is automatically assumed that dubs are inferior simply because they don't sound like their original seiyuus, regardless of any of their actual merits. |
kingcity20 said: Oh for the love of -_- nvm gotta love MAL |
Sonicfanx1 said: Let me bring up an example of a good "English dub". You guys may protest, but I'm talking about the voice acting when I say "English Dub". Team Four Star's Dragon Ball Z Abridged. DBZ Abridged has some of the best voice acting/English Dub for an anime that I know of. DBZ Abridged is a fan series. It's not a real English dub. |
| Maybe. Some are, some are not. Depends on the cast of voice actors completely. But I do enjoy subs more. Japanese VA's are usually better at what they do. |
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