Oscars best animated film potential?

CatSoul said:
Best animated film is such a screwed category. 80% of the voters either don't watch any of them or only watch the ones their kids do. One of them referred to Princess Kaguya as a "freakin’ Chinese fuckin’ thing that nobody ever freakin’ saw."

FullyErect said:
I doubt the people running the oscars have even heard of this movie tbh

iceaco said:
This.
This movie will be one of those that hardly any 'officials' care about outside Japan.

Dab1za9 said:
Is that why it is the first animated movie to enter BFI competition ?

Dab1za9 said:


Is that why it is the first animated movie to enter BFI competition ?

iceaco said:
Ghibli stuff never did?

FullyErect said:

That's more because it happened to screen at a film festival in England so it became eligible and any eligible movie can be nominated. The movie's been screened in LA here but that doesn't mean it'll be recognized at the oscars.

Ulquiorra said:

Kimi no na wa is average, nothing special about it.

Bowie said:
I'm with the judges here, no one outside of the weeb community cares for this movie.

TheKillerAngel said:


It is on pace to make more money than Star Wars: The Force Awakens did in Japan (and in doing so become their top grossing film of 2016), so based on that objective evidence I would have to disagree with you.

Bowie said:
In Japan, nice evidence though.

TheKillerAngel said:


Japan is like the 2nd-4th biggest foreign film market (behind either China and/or the France+UK and India), depending on which data source you use, so I'd say that's still a pretty big achievement.

iceaco said:
Yeah, as much as I like the story and execution, and even if it's a record-breaking hit in Japan, it doesn't always translate that well to the international community.
The general prejudice view of Japanese animation in the international community is it's for the younger crowd and therefore not taken as seriously outside the children film nominations.

We can hope, but don't bet on it. French animation would have a higher chance I feel.

Shadowguy77 said:
so finding dory is not for kids?

Swiftstylez said:
Statistically this is the best that anime has to offer based on ratings and the sample size sure as hell is big enough already (9.4 and over 7000 votes). Anyone that is going to the opposite extreme of critique has tall poppy syndrome or really hates that their precious little gem did not get as much attention as this movie. It might not be perfect but arguing the extreme opposite indicates the aforementioned and a thirst for online conflict.

In another sample 539 out of 601 voters on the episode discussion thread "loved it" and gave it a 5/5. 571 voters out of 601 either "loved it" or "liked it". The data below that would be so many standard deviations away from the mean that you could almost write it off as troll outliers.

Community ratings are much more telling than critics opinions, who need their favorite boxes ticked to feel elite.

TheKillerAngel said:
The possibility of an Oscar nomination really depends on how Funimation handles the film's release. If they go big with it in the US it could happen.

ZachM said:


I'd put far more stock into the current "#2 Anime" FMA:B, which was scored by over 400,000 users and still has a high rating, rather than "statistically the best that anime has to offer" at a measly 7,000. The argument that "you rated it low because your jealous your favorite isn't rated higher" is asinine and will always be asinine and I don't know why people continue to moronically say it. If you actually read some of the negative reviews that point out the flaws in this film you might come to realize that their opinion is far from invalid or a thirst for conflict.

I'm assuming only people who really liked the film would go on that forum post. I know that for things I don't like I don't ever feel the need to go on a forum and down vote on it. The ones that did down vote probably are trolls, but it doesn't change the fact that if you liked it you'd want to go and show that you like it.

A critic who actually gives critical and rationally thought out analyses on a work has more weight to their opinion than some fan boy who rates everything a 10/10.

TheKillerAngel said:


It's been scored by about the same number of people as LoGH, so if you want to make the argument that the sample size for this film is too small, you'd have to say the same for LoGH.

ZachM said:


It is the same for LoGH. With so few scores, there can't really be a definitive consensus for either one. Both scores would/will likely drop if they got hundreds of thousands more scores from more users.

TheKillerAngel said:


How do you interpret MAL rankings? Are they an indication of the "greatest" titles or are they something else to you?

ZachM said:


Well, all the ratings should be taken with a grain of salt, as it's not like everyone is going to agree with the majority. The ratings just show what anime are the most agreed upon as being good. There is no "greatest anime" because everything is subjective. LoGH I'm sure is worthy of its rating, but nobody should look at it like "oh its a 9.07 then it MUST be good?!" The only thing I'd prefer with ratings is that less polarizing things stay out of the top 30.

But with that said, the rating system is also broken. The fact that you can hold something judged by 400,000 and something judged by 7,000 in the same breath makes no sense in the first place. Plus the issue with second season shows, as it's not like people who disliked a first season are gonna watch the second, so you have an issue of having almost only people who love it watching and rating it highly.

Ulquiorra said:
Hotarubi no Mori e is the best movie I've seen yet.
Kimi no na wa is average, nothing special about it.

CatSoul said:
Best animated film is such a screwed category. 80% of the voters either don't watch any of them or only watch the ones their kids do. One of them referred to Princess Kaguya as a "freakin’ Chinese fuckin’ thing that nobody ever freakin’ saw."

RoyTF said:
Another troll account to post shit and upvote the film :D

This is just another average film with a mediocre plot and beautiful animation,I don't even get how can you see the potential in it,I would like to nominate "SAO" for the best tv series if it's possible but that's not quite how it works.
The taste of western people and japanese+weebs obsessed with Japanese culture are entirely different,the score will go down eventually sooner or later.
Nobody gives an f about box office collection outside the community,the amount of money it'll ever gross is equal to the first-hour collection of biggies by Pixar or any other well-known studio.

RoyTF said:
Another troll account to post shit and upvote the film :D

This is just another average film with a mediocre plot and beautiful animation,I don't even get how can you see the potential in it,I would like to nominate "SAO" for the best tv series if it's possible but that's not quite how it works.
The taste of western people and japanese+weebs obsessed with Japanese culture are entirely different,the score will go down eventually sooner or later.
Nobody gives an f about box office collection outside the community,the amount of money it'll ever gross is equal to the first-hour collection of biggies by Pixar or any other well-known studio.

R_TF said:

The taste of western people and japanese+weebs obsessed with Japanese culture are entirely different,the score will go down eventually sooner or later.

ZachM said:

A critic who actually gives critical and rationally thought out analyses on a work has more weight to their opinion than some fan boy who rates everything a 10/10.

suikaMUSIC said:


Yea I suppose weebs liking the film has to do entirely with how it was number one in the box office its opening weekend in Japan. Japanese people must be weeaboos too, right? Do you realize that not everyone who enjoys this type of anime is a Japan-obsessed weeaboo out of touch with their culture? You can like this kind of anime without acting like an idiot and disregarding your own culture.

Stop flamebaiting.


Obviously, not everyone has similar tastes in anime and storytelling, so something that may seem fairly mediocre to one person may be a complete gem to another. It's not fair to assume that thinking about something critically and rationally is the best way to judge a film, since stories are meant to capture human emotion as well, which, at its core, is wholly irrational. Furthermore, this is a "youth" film on Wikipedia, which may be why older audiences do not feel as connected and are less likely to appreciate the more idealistic story. People's tastes change as they grow older, but I don't think it's fair to say that people who judge based on emotion have less of an opinion than those who judge solely through reason and objectivity (Again, nobody is perfectly objective so there's that imperfection as well.)

ZachM said:
Don't get me wrong, taste has everything to do with it. I just meant I'd rather someone who reviews it gives it a true and well written review that points out the flaws and if need be gives you reason why it's worthy of a watch or not. Instead of the "It has pretty art, sounds nice and I liked it therefore 10/10" that I see all the time.

ZachM said:


Don't get me wrong, taste has everything to do with it. I just meant I'd rather someone who reviews it gives it a true and well written review that points out the flaws and if need be gives you reason why it's worthy of a watch or not. Instead of the "It has pretty art, sounds nice and I liked it therefore 10/10" that I see all the time.

suikaMUSIC said:
Such is the case for a medium the vast majority of the world regards as being "meant for children". Nobody takes anime seriously enough, not even Japan.