hananochikai said: because the subs can be like a dictionary and you can save the time you need to look up a new word. . There is one problem. Most of the subs are horrible, you don't see what characters are actually saying but (in most optimistic scenario) it's just simplified dialogues for wide audience understanding. Some groups are trying to do it right (basically, only Doki and some anons left nowadays unfortunately), but if you are using official subs (or even worse - commie/gg/DameDesuYo-like fanfiction americanized shit) and you think that you are learning japanese from it, then you are just wrong. But anime (and especially original, japanese manga) could be a great expansion for learning japanese. It's far more natural than 'book version' of this language. But without grammar and general policies, you will end up knowing nothing. Not mentioning about understanding the wordplays (which is the best type of humour for me). Protip : learn the basics first and then the kanji. It's a very long process, but totally worth your time and effort. |
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Senpaoi said: You're better off finding Japanese videos on YouTube than watching anime, if you're looking for exposure. Don't delude yourself into thinking "I'm studying Japanese right now" when you're watching anime. It will fuck you over. I don't even understand why you want to learn to watch raws... I'm learning to read the books because translations are slow as fuck and they're disgusting to be honest. Subs come out almost immediately. Ikr. Only a couple websites do it and they remove it if it gets picked up by Yenpress |
rsc-pl said: There is one problem. Most of the subs are horrible, you don't see what characters are actually saying but. Some groups are trying to do it right (basically it's only Doki or some anons left nowadays unfortunately), but if you are using official subs (or commie/gg-like fanfiction americanized shit) and you think that you are learning japanese from it, then you are just wrong. i'm talking about the fansubs with no particular subbing group in my mind (actually i don't care whose sub is it most of the time) and you are right not everything is correct but not everything in subs is translated wrong. sub errors are usually about grammars, and i don't mean learning everything they say in 1 episode. for example you watch an episode of magi, and you notice they keep mentioning the word "bouken" which is being translated as adventure. next time you are watching one piece and you hear the word again with same meaning in the sub, once it happen few times you will learn the word(if you are paying attention to what they are saying). i mean in this situation it is impossible for all subbing teams to make the same error. you can improve your vocabulary this way. |
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AxBattler said: In my opinion, anime work best as a tool, for re-enforcement of things you've learned. And yes you can pick up new vocab that way. However, in my opinion, it is extremely limited. It's works better for fairly simple/short words that are typically used in isolation or short sentences, and quite honestly, I'd be impressed if someone who has never taken a single Japanese class can gather and retain more than few hundred vocab that way (and that's including your baka, kawaii, oishii, neko, itadakimasu etc.). Then there are issues like words that have multiple meanings depending on context. Or words/sentences that sound similar (Bouken vs Bokken) or even the same (Iccha dame!). The biggest issues though is complex sentences. And I do not mean -really- complex sentences, but even moderately complex ones can be translated in more than one way, occasionally using different words that only really work in that instance to keep it "natural" while retaining the general meaning. Not only does it make it harder to pick out words, but it also makes it harder for people with vocab but zero grammar to really understand what's going on. "Aha! I know that he is talking about adventure - but I have no idea what about adventure"). But yes, I have occasionally encountered words that I struggled to memorise when presented as a boring word list, but as soon as I saw it appear in an anime, it became much easier to remember. I think it depends on person and how they prefer to learn. I my opinion the person who is learning a language is like a baby. A new born baby can't take classes or read grammar books. She/he just watch,pay attention and experience the language,feel the words and and learn by hearing them continuesly and repeating them. none of us knew what is verb and noun when we made a sentence at age 3. of course Babies later complete their knowledge of their mother tongue when they grow up by learning how to read and write, taking classes and reading books.so anime is just a beginning not everything. Also learning different meaning of a word is better when you see the situation where the word is used in it in an anime. personally i prefer seeing it used to remembering the different meanings from text book. Bouken and bokken's spelling are very different. But i agree there are words with same spelling and different meaning. But the words needed in normal conversation aren't that complex.(it is not like all the animes are as hard as let's say zetsuen no tempest, some are very easy like reborn i learnt alot from it) And the meaning of many of complex words become clear when you look at the situation. Actually i never took any japanese classes in my life. I learnt to understand half of the japanese shows by watching only. It improved later by self studying kana and kanjis and watching raw material. now I may not be excellent(actually far far far from it) but my goal was to understand most of what i'm watching and it is done. I dont even have problem chatting with japanese either. that's why i think this way is very good for someone who can't/doesn't want to/doesn't have time to take classes or get bored of text book very soon just like me.😊 |
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| @AxBattler well i'm an adult and not even a teen:XD to me it depend on how you watch it. my little sister, and an online friend also used the same way. and both can understand half of a japanese show. you learn a language when you want it with everything you got or you need it despite the method. i think of watching multimedia as plan b for not being able to go to japan to learn Japanese in japanese environment. (not as effective tho but still acceptable) it maybe that children learn faster but this method is widely used in learning software like Rosetta stone or one of the best language learning app (duolingo) and both are for adult users too. it is just about what each of us personally prefer and find it useful. |
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| The short path is to use "kawaii" and "desu" in every day speech. The real way is to study your ass off, make some friends that speak Japanese, get books, apps, other resources to help you. But I fail to see why you'd want to use it to watch anime alone, if you understand the language there's more than just anime to watch. |
| @AxBattler japanese shows for me are usually shounen/action/adventure/comedy animes, yamapi and ishihara satomi dramas, and some varieties that my favorite actors/actress/singers appear in(like let's say music station? or music japan? shabekuri or sekai banzuke sometimes, smapXsmap one piece ou corner...), singles making of, concerts MC time, seiyuu events etc... and by half of it i mean getting the concept and half of the things they say. that's why i said anime is the "beginning". you have to begin from somewhere so the unfamiliar feelings goes away. i don't know if you have this feeling or not but i need to become comfortable or familiar with a language or it will stay foreign for me even if i learn it. |
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Valenthius said: If your only reason for wanting to learn Japanese is anime, you are the reason i hate this place and why i cry myself to sleep. Why else would you want to learn Japanese? Japan is a pretty crazy place that isn't good to immigrate to. Japanese language isn't widely used, thus not very good for business. It's also pretty hard, so it's more efficient to speak English with your Japanese colleagues. P.S. I learned much of my English just so that I could read my favorite fantasy authors in original. It turned out to be pretty useful when on the internet, and I even have to work with English-language resources as part of my job. I doubt Japanese would be just as useful. |
flannan said: Valenthius said: If your only reason for wanting to learn Japanese is anime, you are the reason i hate this place and why i cry myself to sleep. Why else would you want to learn Japanese? Japan is a pretty crazy place that isn't good to immigrate to. Japanese language isn't widely used, thus not very good for business. It's also pretty hard, so it's more efficient to speak English with your Japanese colleagues. P.S. I learned much of my English just so that I could read my favorite fantasy authors in original. It turned out to be pretty useful when on the internet, and I even have to work with English-language resources as part of my job. I doubt Japanese would be just as useful. You can like a language in itself you know. I personally think it's really cool just because of how complicated it is. I find the way it sounds pleasing.Chinese as well. |
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Valenthius said: flannan said: Why else would you want to learn Japanese? Japan is a pretty crazy place that isn't good to immigrate to. Japanese language isn't widely used, thus not very good for business. It's also pretty hard, so it's more efficient to speak English with your Japanese colleagues. P.S. I learned much of my English just so that I could read my favorite fantasy authors in original. It turned out to be pretty useful when on the internet, and I even have to work with English-language resources as part of my job. I doubt Japanese would be just as useful. You can like a language in itself you know. I personally think it's really cool just because of how complicated it is. I find the way it sounds pleasing.Chinese as well. I find the concept of liking languages more strange than liking anime enough to learn japanese for that. But if I were to learn a language I like, it would be a language that i beautiful in its simplicity. |
flannan said: Valenthius said: You can like a language in itself you know. I personally think it's really cool just because of how complicated it is. I find the way it sounds pleasing.Chinese as well. I find the concept of liking languages more strange than liking anime enough to learn japanese for that. But if I were to learn a language I like, it would be a language that i beautiful in its simplicity. Well, to each his own. I like it complicated and sharp-ish. |
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