| We're all neets. We literally can't afford crunchy roll. But crunchy roll has barely any anime, I'm not going to pay for a service like that when it won't even have any anime I want. I use kissanime, and I think it's fine that I support the site through ads. I wouldn't be able to watch anime without illegal streaming sites. So yes, I am happy that the owners get money. They are providing me with a service that I love. |
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| Well I have a Crunchyroll premium account and have done for over a year but I'm not so sure I can afford it once I go back to university. I won't be living on very much so I'll need all the extra money I can get :o That of course leads me onto one reason why people may use illegal streaming sites. The money! Most of the anime fans I know are people born in the '90's and a lot of these people are now students. They're not entirely self- sufficient and have enough scrimping and scraping to worry about without any extra outgoings for anime streams. It doesn't seem like a lot, but trust me when you're strapped for cash it really is! A lot of legal sites charge, and whilst you can watch for free sometimes, there are either regional limitations (like with Funimation) or a shit ton of annoying ads which really can affect enjoyment. Having to download every episode of a series can also prove time consuming & fills up a lot of unnecessary space (especially if it's a really long anime...imagine downloading all the eps of Gintama- no thanks!) Availability is another factor- Crunchyroll, whilst ever growing, doesn't have the best anime database. Legal streaming sites can't always be relied on as the be all and end all, heck even I use Gogoanime and Kissanime alongside CR where else would I watch my yaoi? Additionally, if you're supporting the industry in other ways- through buying merch, manga etc. a lot of people think that takes the edge off a little & I'd agree. Especially if the stuff you're watching hasn't even been licensed in your country. If anything, that'd be like promoting the anime to people who otherwise would have no idea it existed! Sometimes, an anime isn't licensed (or the licensing runs out) but the manga is...so the likelihood of somebody buying the manga of an anime they loved after completing the show increases I guess! |
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Cookies0 said: The statement, "bootleg streaming sites exploit fansubbers", is true for older anime from the pre-streaming era, or for newer titles like Macross Delta, 12Sai, Jewelpet, and Precure that don't make it to legal streaming sites.Also, CR isn't "fansub". It's official, try to get it into that thick head of yours. l1_ said: Wow, I've rarely seen the toxic indifference so prevalent in today's anime viewerbase expressed so explicitly. Why pay for stuff you can get for free.I dont care if Kissanime makes money if I use it,they have a lot of anime and I watch for free. Starting around page 3-4, I get the feeling that a lot of people started just answering the thread question instead of actually reading any of the first post. The OP is not trying to completely "stop the tide" of piracy in general, but rather to redirect it. This isn't (entirely) about legal streaming / disc purchases vs. illegal streaming, it's also about illegal streaming vs. [illegal] downloading. Virtually none of the reason given for using bootleg streaming sites explain the inability to download, whether it's unavailability of shows on legal streaming sites, being poor / not having credit cards (if you have Internet service and a machine capable of connecting to it, you can download -- though I suppose mobile-only users might be a borderline case), or being region-restricted from legal streaming sites. And it's a vanishingly-small number of shows that're available via bootleg streaming sites but not on download sites, since Kiss et al get their source videos via downloads in the first place. @lastrrending -- downloading with XDCC bots or direct downloads removes the "distributing to others" part of the equation. @TripleSRank , re "Steam for Anime": ^ Or to summarize the above -- in the anime realm, piracy isn't entirely a pricing or a service problem; it's substantially a fandom culture problem. Ari_The_Lioness said: Well, I'd like to see a moral case for why it's right for random pirates to profit from the work of the global industry and fansub/fan-edit groups (presuming that the continued production of anime is a positive thing, anyway). Deliberately supporting the wrongs committed by bootleg streaming sites makes viewers part of the problem. Those of us who want to see the industry prosper are rightly concerned about the considerable revenue diversion from the legitimate industry to bootleggers. To make matters worse, many illegal streamers don't even know their sites of choice are illegal as they go about telling their friends to join them, meaning that any benefits from additional word-of-mouth exposure/popularity only accrue to the bootleg streaming site operators.What I want to know is why people are so damn concerned about what other people do on their computers or how they do or don't watch something? Are people seriously that bored? Also, just because people don't download torrents doesn't mean they are watching anime the 'wrong' way or are lazy or tech-incompetent. They just don't want torrents on their computers. Doesn't make them wrong or right or better or worse than anyone else. That's why those like @GERGE and I, who recognize that many people are going to pirate no matter what, are at least attempting to make the case for less-damaging (and better end-user quality!) forms of piracy. And as a fansubber and re-releaser of other groups' subs, I've seen my own work on Kiss, and presumably it's elsewhere as well. So bootleg streaming exploitation isn't just some abstract force affecting anime companies and employees thousands of miles away: It's Personal. |
ZalisSep 1, 2016 1:09 AM
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| In my country, you can't even access the legal ones. I have to use some add-on to even use crunchyroll (or hulu, which is absolute trash anyway). Not to mention, there are many anime that are simply unavailable on legal streaming sites, so many fans resort to various illegal methods of watching. It's really simple, it's not like we purposefully want to ruin the anime industry (unlike ecchi harem fans). No real use for a thread. |
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sjo said: is there really such a place with literally no shows on crunchyroll? are u from antarctica or whatIn my country, you can't even access the legal ones. I have to use some add-on to even use crunchyroll (or hulu, which is absolute trash anyway). Not to mention, there are many anime that are simply unavailable on legal streaming sites, so many fans resort to various illegal methods of watching. It's really simple, it's not like we purposefully want to ruin the anime industry (unlike ecchi harem fans). No real use for a thread. |
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romagia said: sjo said: is there really such a place with literally no shows on crunchyroll? are u from antarctica or whatIn my country, you can't even access the legal ones. I have to use some add-on to even use crunchyroll (or hulu, which is absolute trash anyway). Not to mention, there are many anime that are simply unavailable on legal streaming sites, so many fans resort to various illegal methods of watching. It's really simple, it's not like we purposefully want to ruin the anime industry (unlike ecchi harem fans). No real use for a thread. Are you purposefully misunderstanding what I say or do you just like asking silly questions? |
"I came here to sniff Madoka panties and kick witch ass and I am all out 'doka panties" - Homora Akemi |
sjo said: both, but i really mean it.. is crunchy really 100% blocked or unavailable? where are you from?romagia said: is there really such a place with literally no shows on crunchyroll? are u from antarctica or what Are you purposefully misunderstanding what I say or do you just like asking silly questions? |
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romagia said: sjo said: both, but i really mean it.. is crunchy really 100% blocked or unavailable? where are you from?Are you purposefully misunderstanding what I say or do you just like asking silly questions? It's unavailable due to copyright reasons, so I have to use a VPN unblocker when I want to watch something there. You should know, we're closer than you think. |
"I came here to sniff Madoka panties and kick witch ass and I am all out 'doka panties" - Homora Akemi |
sjo said: i dunno.. russia? i searched crunchyroll+(all neighbouring countries) and none of them seem to be blocked on CRromagia said: both, but i really mean it.. is crunchy really 100% blocked or unavailable? where are you from? It's unavailable due to copyright reasons, so I have to use a VPN unblocker when I want to watch something there. You should know, we're closer than you think. i can watch mob psycho, re zero, and a bunch of other shows on crunchyroll from romania, so i assume there is some kind of worldwide selection can you access the site? if so, did you even try to watch something? cause unless crunchyroll has particularly blocked your isp you should be able to watch a bunch of series "legally" (i for one think i can watch everything here http://www.crunchyroll.com/videos/anime ).. the only place where i imagine that selection is null is antarctica |
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Nagirah said: I'll use kissanime, because crunchyroll is garbage. I laughed my ass off the first time I saw the size of it's video library. Does that even count as a library? Most of my favorite anime aren't even there and it's not like they're obscure or anything. I'll rather just stream the anime on illegal sites and then buy physical merch/manga to support the series rather than waste my money on that shitty site. Do you actual buy physical merch and manga though? Also the realities of licensing shows means that crunchy can't have a super massive selection as they have to pay for a contract for each of the anime on there. Kiss anime just uploads anything they can find without permission or any money going to the anime producers. Crunchy is mainly a platform for keeping up with currently airing anime and they normally get at least half the shows coming out in a season. |
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romagia said: sjo said: i dunno.. russia? i searched crunchyroll+(all neighbouring countries) and none of them seem to be blocked on CRIt's unavailable due to copyright reasons, so I have to use a VPN unblocker when I want to watch something there. You should know, we're closer than you think. i can watch mob psycho, re zero, and a bunch of other shows on crunchyroll from romania, so i assume there is some kind of worldwide selection can you access the site? if so, did you even try to watch something? cause unless crunchyroll has particularly blocked your isp you should be able to watch a bunch of series "legally" (i for one think i can watch everything here http://www.crunchyroll.com/videos/anime ).. the only place where i imagine that selection is null is antarctica Hokuto no Ken isn't available without the unblocker, I have no idea why. Dar serios acum, ghici de unde sunt. |
"I came here to sniff Madoka panties and kick witch ass and I am all out 'doka panties" - Homora Akemi |
Nagirah said: I'll use kissanime, because crunchyroll is garbage. I laughed my ass off the first time I saw the size of it's video library. Does that even count as a library? Most of my favorite anime aren't even there and it's not like they're obscure or anything. I'll rather just stream the anime on illegal sites and then buy physical merch/manga to support the series rather than waste my money on that shitty site. KissAnime is terrible. The mods are slightly autistic and half of the videos on that site don't even work well. It's full of porn pop-up windows that constantly mess with my browser, because God knows they needed porn ads on their crappy site. Not to mention how many users on there seem to be suffering from mental retardation. The only good thing about it used to be that it had a giant archive of new and old, but now most of the old shows don't play anymore and there are countless new ones that need fixing. Crunchyroll is ways better, at least I can actually watch something there. Though, it does pain me that Jojo's is censored. Thank God for piracy in this case, though. |
"I came here to sniff Madoka panties and kick witch ass and I am all out 'doka panties" - Homora Akemi |
sjo said: pumnul stelei de nord poate nu merge in afara sua, dar nu mai zi ca "you can't even access the legal ones" cand evident poti >_>romagia said: i dunno.. russia? i searched crunchyroll+(all neighbouring countries) and none of them seem to be blocked on CR i can watch mob psycho, re zero, and a bunch of other shows on crunchyroll from romania, so i assume there is some kind of worldwide selection can you access the site? if so, did you even try to watch something? cause unless crunchyroll has particularly blocked your isp you should be able to watch a bunch of series "legally" (i for one think i can watch everything here http://www.crunchyroll.com/videos/anime ).. the only place where i imagine that selection is null is antarctica Hokuto no Ken isn't available without the unblocker, I have no idea why. Dar serios acum, ghici de unde sunt. sjo said: hmm? i never had problem with their player.. maybe its just with older shows Nagirah said: I'll use kissanime, because crunchyroll is garbage. I laughed my ass off the first time I saw the size of it's video library. Does that even count as a library? Most of my favorite anime aren't even there and it's not like they're obscure or anything. I'll rather just stream the anime on illegal sites and then buy physical merch/manga to support the series rather than waste my money on that shitty site. KissAnime is terrible. The mods are slightly autistic and half of the videos on that site don't even work well. It's full of porn pop-up windows that constantly mess with my browser, because God knows they needed porn ads on their crappy site. Not to mention how many users on there seem to be suffering from mental retardation. The only good thing about it used to be that it had a giant archive of new and old, but now most of the old shows don't play anymore and there are countless new ones that need fixing. Crunchyroll is ways better, at least I can actually watch something there. Though, it does pain me that Jojo's is censored. Thank God for piracy in this case, though. also i use KissAnime Cleaner to remove ads, which worked fine until today, and i think will be fixed soon https://gist.github.com/crapier/91926a6353207f4524cc the popups i believe were added recently and why would you interact with mods and users anyway :V |
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romagia said: sjo said: pumnul stelei de nord poate nu merge in afara sua, dar nu mai zi ca "you can't even access the legal ones" cand evident poti >_>Hokuto no Ken isn't available without the unblocker, I have no idea why. Dar serios acum, ghici de unde sunt. sjo said: hmm? i never had problem with their player.. maybe its just with older shows KissAnime is terrible. The mods are slightly autistic and half of the videos on that site don't even work well. It's full of porn pop-up windows that constantly mess with my browser, because God knows they needed porn ads on their crappy site. Not to mention how many users on there seem to be suffering from mental retardation. The only good thing about it used to be that it had a giant archive of new and old, but now most of the old shows don't play anymore and there are countless new ones that need fixing. Crunchyroll is ways better, at least I can actually watch something there. Though, it does pain me that Jojo's is censored. Thank God for piracy in this case, though. also i use KissAnime Cleaner to remove ads, which worked fine until today, and i think will be fixed soon https://gist.github.com/crapier/91926a6353207f4524cc the popups i believe were added recently and why would you interact with mods and users anyway :V Nu stiu daca m-am exprimat eu aiurea sau nu m-ai inteles tu bine. That Cleaner might come in handy one day, had no idea it existed. So thanks, lol! |
"I came here to sniff Madoka panties and kick witch ass and I am all out 'doka panties" - Homora Akemi |
| @sjo ,, din primul si al 3lea post suna ca si cum nu puteai sa vezi nimic probabil ca amandoua xD |
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| The reason are generic TC, they already fine/comfort with it, and some and mostly are like; "i don't want to pay", i don't have good internet connection/enough data to download, i don't want to eat up my hdd space to save anime (they doubt to re-watch it) or even some regular anime watcher doesn't know where to download anime. It is ok to share it here? Two letter then, HS. |
gladisrSep 1, 2016 4:01 AM
| I would gladly pay for anime if it provided me with all the anime I needed. This is why I refuse to support Crunchyroll. They suck, big time. Why are some animes on the website blocked for users from certain countries? And they don't even have nearly as much as Kissanime does. Of course I am aware that creating a legal streaming site with so many animes like Kissanime is nearly impossible, but I wont pay a dollar until the day they do. Simple as that. |
KaiHollcaust said: And they don't even have nearly as much as Kissanime does. If they did, it would be a monopoly. How is that even a good thing for the consumers? |
Rei366 said: KaiHollcaust said: And they don't even have nearly as much as Kissanime does. If they did, it would be a monopoly. How is that even a good thing for the consumers? I don't care if it's good for them or not. I wont pay a dime until I can get a service that provides unlimited anime |
Nagirah said: sjo said: KissAnime is terrible. The mods are slightly autistic and half of the videos on that site don't even work well. It's full of porn pop-up windows that constantly mess with my browser, because God knows they needed porn ads on their crappy site. Not to mention how many users on there seem to be suffering from mental retardation. The only good thing about it used to be that it had a giant archive of new and old, but now most of the old shows don't play anymore and there are countless new ones that need fixing. Crunchyroll is ways better, at least I can actually watch something there. Though, it does pain me that Jojo's is censored. Thank God for piracy in this case, though. All videos have worked completely fine for me, got no idea what you're talking about. If there's been issues with the player, it has always been because of my browser/wifi connection fucking things up and crunchyroll wouldn't be in a better situation. I've gotten no porn ads either. Actually, I've gotten porn ads on MAL multiple times and not even once on Kissanime. And who even cares about the mods/users? All I'm there for is to watch anime, not interact with other people. Crunchyroll is worse, because they barely even have any anime to choose from. I'm way too lazy to screenshot the number of things that don't work and the xxx pop-up windows (some even have audio!) that come out. It has nothing to do with my connection. I took a look at your list, you've mostly watched new or very popular things, of course those would be more likely to play. Who cares? I care about the mods being morons and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. Asking them to add/fix something or remove spoilers will get you nothing. They don't bother. Ever. The only thing they do is remove comments when you adress their piss-poor moderation. Defend it all you want, the fact that it's garbage tier won't change. And just because it has a smaller collection, doesn't mean crunchyroll is automatically worse. Yes, that's a con, but not enough to deem it worse than garbage. |
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SomeEdgeLord said: I WILL report you from this forum if this continues. In real life, I am one of the coldest, unsympathetic, people you'll ever know, who's grown up in an even colder household, you really don't want me to break my persona, I know how to make people feel bad. YearnsforAttention said: hm who has 1656 friends on MAL that's right me bye bye YearnsforAttention said: I don't want your approval how many damn times do I need to say it I enjoy irritating you I am gonna do things MY way |
KaiHollcaust said: I don't care if it's good for them or not. I wont pay a dime until I can get a service that provides unlimited anime Errm, consumer is an english term, right? XD The consumer is in this case the person paying for the service, in other words you in this hypothetical case. And in the hypothesis you (among others) are eagerly waiting for, the monopoly would make the hypothetic enterprise owning all the anime streaming rights an all-powerful machine deciding what is the right price for its service, and every other element. Because a monopoly is the opposite of an healthy situation like fair concurrence. That leads to people who would not pay a dime for something overpriced (in their mind, but I think streaming costs as they are are already far too high for what it is: internet television) Of course, I'm pretty sure you don't care either way, after I read this kind of answer earlier in this thread. People don't seem to "care" about a lot of things anywhere in the wealthy parts of the world, I suppose. |
Rei_IIISep 1, 2016 6:05 AM
| I have no money. I don't have a valid answer other than that, and I'm not going to try to justify my occasional piracy. Pirates who pretend they're moral and try to give you a sob story about why they just can't watch/play/listen to/read things legally are the worst type of pirates. I do buy all my manga and watch legally when I have CR guest passes. |
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| @cookies This logic can be applied in almost any domain. Do you see any type of merchant lower its products price in order to sell them to potential stealers? I thought the USA had: - Crunchyroll, - Funimation, - The Anime Network - DAISUKI, - Hulu, - Netflix, - Amazon - and some other brands who publish their dubs on video platforms. (I saw some on YouTube who were restricted to the USA) In France, there is no monopoly and we only have: - Wakanim ("supported" by Aniplex, if I remember right), - Crunchyroll France (of course the choice is a bit more limited than in the USAs because they obviously can't buy everything thanks to the other parties), - Anime Digital Network (from the publisher Kaze/VIZ, "supported" by Shûeisha and another japanese editor I forgot) - DAISUKI (less titles here) - and Netflix (I think). edit: upps, @AnimeHavenNet was faster than me, I was searching over the Internet for the lists while he wrote the answer. |
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cookies0 said: XNoobAsianX said: Because I'm not a social justice warrior? Just how exactly SJWs are related to this...? This is just...stupid. Yes, yes you are #26characterlimit |
SomeEdgeLord said: I WILL report you from this forum if this continues. In real life, I am one of the coldest, unsympathetic, people you'll ever know, who's grown up in an even colder household, you really don't want me to break my persona, I know how to make people feel bad. YearnsforAttention said: hm who has 1656 friends on MAL that's right me bye bye YearnsforAttention said: I don't want your approval how many damn times do I need to say it I enjoy irritating you I am gonna do things MY way |
Zalis said: Ari_The_Lioness said: Well, I'd like to see a moral case for why it's right for random pirates to profit from the work of the global industry and fansub/fan-edit groups (presuming that the continued production of anime is a positive thing, anyway). Deliberately supporting the wrongs committed by bootleg streaming sites makes viewers part of the problem. Those of us who want to see the industry prosper are rightly concerned about the considerable revenue diversion from the legitimate industry to bootleggers. To make matters worse, many illegal streamers don't even know their sites of choice are illegal as they go about telling their friends to join them, meaning that any benefits from additional word-of-mouth exposure/popularity only accrue to the bootleg streaming site operators.What I want to know is why people are so damn concerned about what other people do on their computers or how they do or don't watch something? Are people seriously that bored? Also, just because people don't download torrents doesn't mean they are watching anime the 'wrong' way or are lazy or tech-incompetent. They just don't want torrents on their computers. Doesn't make them wrong or right or better or worse than anyone else. That's why those like @GERGE and I, who recognize that many people are going to pirate no matter what, are at least attempting to make the case for less-damaging (and better end-user quality!) forms of piracy. And as a fansubber and re-releaser of other groups' subs, I've seen my own work on Kiss, and presumably it's elsewhere as well. So bootleg streaming exploitation isn't just some abstract force affecting anime companies and employees thousands of miles away: It's Personal. This confuses me. So places like kissanime shouldn't profit but fansubs (who also stole something, because they didn't make the anime) should be able to profit? Yeah....that makes no sense. It might make sense. I don't know, I just woke up so my brain isn't in functioning mode quite yet. If a big corporation like Funimation (who actually sued people and lost), couldn't shut down torrenting and streaming sites, I don't know how making these same thread over and over again asking why people do something on their computers. I don't get why people are trying to make torrenting is okay but streaming on sites like kissanime isn't. NEITHER of them is okay. They are the same thing basically except streaming is temporary whereas torrenting isn't. Piracy is damaging no matter what. If people want to watch shitty streams, how is that a problem to anyone except the person who is watching? That's right, it's not. So I don't get these constant trying to get people to do something a certain way. The only victims in all of this are the people who actually make the anime. Because EVERYONE is stealing from them, that includes torrenters and fansubs. I"m a streamer, and no matter what, I"m going to continue to be a streamer. I couldn't care less where the source of the video came from. I just don't get it. I think it's pretty sad that people are this bored and/or worried about what OTHER people are doing on their computers. If fansubbers and torrenters are this worried about kissanime 'stealing' from them then go after kissanime and TRY to shut them down, but you shouldn't go after the people that stream. We have NOTHING to do with where they get their videos. And these 'switch to torrenting' threads are just going in one of my ears and out the other. And I"m sure it's very personal....to the people that actually make the anime. I'm sorry your fansubs are being put on kissanime, but you said yourself, you took the videos you fansub from someone else and rereleased it, the people you took it from probably in turn took it from someone else. It's a never ending stream of people taking something from someone else that doesn't belong to them. |
ArillionSep 1, 2016 8:47 AM
| I watch all anime illegally because it's free, and I will continue to do so. I'm not going to deny that piracy is wrong, I just don't care. Crunchyroll blocks almost everything in Europe, so why would I even want to support them? They don't deserve my money. If the anime industry ever goes down, I won't have any sympathy for them because it's their own fault for neglecting anything besides Japan and North America. It doesn't matter how cheap subscriptions for legal streaming sites are, if they block everything and have a pitiful amount of anime in their library, I refuse to support them. And like others have said, if you're going to use an application to circumvent that issue, it's like you're watching illegally. You might as well just use an illegal streaming site then. I use Kissanime and I don't have any problems with quality. Everything is in HD and the video player works fine. I don't understand why some people act like their quality is garbage because I've never experienced it. It sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me. I don't notice any difference between 720p and 1080p. I have no need to torrent either because I have fast internet speed. Ads are the only thing I had issues with. They've always been quite annoying, but recently, pop-up ads started appearing out of nowhere. That's when I had enough and installed Ublock Origin. Kissanime can't detect that, so I advise everyone to use it. |
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Feniksrises said: i identify as a trans-american; i am only exercising my right to an american ip adressGERGE said: Region blocking isn't really a problem, Crunchyroll has a Chrome extension that deals with it. After all, Crunchyroll's region blocking is cookie based, you don't need VPNs or anything like that. Firefox probably has something too. But I wonder why Europe is so much cheaper than USA. Crunchyroll is (with today's rates) $5,5 for a month, and $44 for a year here. $44! Connect with Zenmate for a minute and buy a European sub if you really can't pay USA prices. You do know that's literally the same as piracy,right? Enjoy it while it lasts. Netflix banned my VPN already. check your privilege, y'all with cis-american ip adresses |
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| Quite a lot of Internet arguing for someone who doesn't engage in Internet arguments... Ari_the_Lioness said: Nowhere did I say that fansubbers should be able to profit. Maybe some of those swimming in the swamps of toxic indifference (the "I don't care who profits or perishes, as long as I get my fix" mentality) won't make the switch, but perhaps others will. To the extent that that attempt at persuasion constitutes "going after streamers"... if viewers don't use those sites, they lose their revenue and reason for being.This confuses me. So places like kissanime shouldn't profit but fansubs (who also stole something, because they didn't make the anime) should be able to profit? Yeah....that makes no sense. It might make sense. I don't know, I just woke up so my brain isn't in functioning mode quite yet. Piracy is damaging no matter what. I just don't get it. I think it's pretty sad that people are this bored and/or worried about what OTHER people are doing on their computers. I'm sorry your fansubs are being put on kissanime, but you said yourself, you took the videos you fansub from someone else and rereleased it, the people you took it from probably in turn took it from someone else. Yes, piracy is damaging no matter what, but some forms are more damaging than others. With downloading, people generally know they're getting "something for nothing," but bootleg streaming sites are able to fool enough people into thinking they're legitimate with vague legalese about "fair use," and those people in turn tell more people to use the sites, and so forth. Even without the profit factor, that's enough to make illegal streaming sites a cancer on the scene. I know these threads alone won't stop bootleg streaming, but I'm just stating why they get made: because some people do care more about the broader anime scene beyond what happens on their own computers. When "what other people do on their own computers" damages an industry and an entertainment medium they care about, some are naturally going to speak out. Sorry if that offends you. As for fansubbing (and some of my stuff is original translations, not re-releases), I know that I and others don't have a legal leg to stand on when it comes to bootleg streaming; I just take it as a silver lining that sites choose my releases instead of the old/crappy versions they've supplanted. But the next time people wonder why some movies/OVAs/OADs/specials aren't getting timely or good subs, they should look to their favorite illegal streaming sites to see why fansubbers might've become demotivated. |
Not arguing. Just because it's not something you wanna hear, or agree with, or like. doesn't mean it's arguing. And I"m done with this thread. I didn't even bother reading the rest of what you posted. Edit: Yeah, I came back because I just thought of one thing. Arguing is constant back and forth of words in an angry way. One: I'm not angry, and two: I responded ONE time to what you posted, basically just repeating the same things I've said before in this thread. That HARDLY constitutes arguing. Okay NOW, I'm done with this thread. :) |
ArillionSep 1, 2016 12:25 PM
| How is torrenting any better? Both are illegal and none of them supports the authors.. |
| I stream anime because when I want to watch it is very spontaneous. I don't plan ahead to download anything when it comes out. The problem with CrunchyRoll is that it's often slower than illegal streams, and there are excessive ads and fewer options. Paying $5 might solve the second problem, but not the first and third. As for "stealing", it is questionable what I am costing the producer or distributor of anime when I illegally stream. Certainly none of their bandwidth space or any physical materials are being used. At best, I am supporting a site which could vaguely attract other users if it existed. The monetary worth of my contribution is unknown. It is also unknown whether my participation in the anime discussion community, or when I spread the word about a particular show to another person, have any net positive effect on the anime market. I assume that overall, we break even. I do know that I have spent much more on Japanese media products due to my continued involvement, which is made possible by illegal streaming, compared to a person who was never attracted in the first place. Now, the question to anyone capable of thinking in nuance, is whether the ends justify the means. If this is simply stealing, and stealing is bad to you, then perhaps you need to start detecting your own autism, because your moral compass is based on some primitive ideas from 2000 years ago. |
| My subjective reviews: katsureview.wordpress.com THE CHAT CLUB. |
| I would happily pay to watch it on a legal streaming site but since not is available in my country why should I bother paying then when a decent illegal streaming site is available for me for free even at that, almost everything is unavailable in the EU. |
katsucats said: I stream anime because when I want to watch it is very spontaneous. I don't plan ahead to download anything when it comes out. The problem with CrunchyRoll is that it's often slower than illegal streams, and there are excessive ads and fewer options. Paying $5 might solve the second problem, but not the first and third. As for "stealing", it is questionable what I am costing the producer or distributor of anime when I illegally stream. Certainly none of their bandwidth space or any physical materials are being used. At best, I am supporting a site which could vaguely attract other users if it existed. The monetary worth of my contribution is unknown. It is also unknown whether my participation in the anime discussion community, or when I spread the word about a particular show to another person, have any net positive effect on the anime market. I assume that overall, we break even. I do know that I have spent much more on Japanese media products due to my continued involvement, which is made possible by illegal streaming, compared to a person who was never attracted in the first place. Now, the question to anyone capable of thinking in nuance, is whether the ends justify the means. If this is simply stealing, and stealing is bad to you, then perhaps you need to start detecting your own autism, because your moral compass is based on some primitive ideas from 2000 years ago. Yeah I pirate a fuck of anime too but I also buy anime and have crunchyroll. As long as you contribute as much as you can proportionally to how much anime you watch then I think it's fine. It's just people who think because you can get anime for free means you should never put money into industry. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
black1blade said: Sora_no_Umi said: Why spend 5 dollar when the free version is online? Sure it might be immoral, but nothing is moral in business. As a consumer in this industry, I'll just go with whatever is cheaper and more convenient. So the people that steal it from others are a legit business because you don't actually need money to make anime in the first place right? More like I'd rather watch it for free and use that money to buy LN or manga instead. |
WHEN IT RAINS, IT POURS. |
Kamiyan3991 said: Enjoy: http://www.funimation.com/blog/2016/09/08/funimation-crunchyroll-working-together-to-bring-you-more/ um actually if you leave MURICA' and r/anime noone cares about that |
ultravigoSep 8, 2016 2:12 PM
| To spite anime that you don't like? :3 |
| Be thankful for the wisdom granted to you. |
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