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Aug 25, 2016 8:12 AM
#1
Unless my perspective is obscured, there don't appear to be many of these. When you cut out shows that heavily focus on drama, romance, or comedy in lieu of a "purer" slice of life approach, there aren't many slice of life shows that focus on a real-world profession. The only one's I've seen or heard of are Space Brothers, Shirobako, Barakamon, Hanasaku Iroha, and (maybe, might be comedy-based) Great Teacher Onizuka. My question is why there don't seem to be many anime that explore the daily life of a real-world professions like these do. I'm looking for reasoned speculation. Are there simply not many manga about this sort of thing? Do anime based on manga of this type sell BDs poorly in Japan? Or is it something else? |
Aug 25, 2016 8:15 AM
#2
because filthy otakus and weeaboos dont have jobs and they dream about good school life jk idk |
Aug 25, 2016 8:44 AM
#3
Planetes Bakuman Working ServantxService All of them from reputable authors/directors. Considering anime is mostly a tool for escapism, I'm not surprised. Working and ServantxService are more SoL comedy than pure SoL, but they are the closest you'll get to the everyman. I'd say the tricky part is how to turn the mundane into something exciting. |
Aug 25, 2016 8:49 AM
#4
Not really sure it's about sales TC. Shirobako's massive success actually saved P.A Works from bankruptcy after Nagi no Asakura and Glasslip's failure. I guess it's cause WorkComs aren't the easiest thing to make engaging. |
Aug 25, 2016 8:52 AM
#5
Extremely relevant: https://twitter.com/frog_kun/status/768772733953904640 Save us all, Shirobako. There's a show about college-age idol voice actresses next season, which could be interesting, unless you equate idols to schools settings (and I wouldn't blame you for doing so) |
Aug 25, 2016 8:53 AM
#6
CheekyKunt said: Not really sure it's about sales TC. Shirobako's massive success actually saved P.A Works from bankruptcy after Nagi no Asakura and Glasslip's failure. I guess it's cause WorkComs aren't the easiest thing to make engaging. Speaking of which, that's why I initially picked up Glasslip. I had the unfortunate misunderstanding of thinking it would be an anime about glassmaking. |
Aug 25, 2016 8:54 AM
#7
I personally really like them. There seems to be a trend in Manga Time Kirara to do things like this as there is Gochiusa set in a cafe, Comic Girls about upcoming mangaka, New Game! about the video game industry, and K-On! about playing in a band (it could become a career someday, although K-On! College says it won't be). From a different magazine there's Dagashi Kashi which is about a candy store. Idol anime/manga could also be considered about a profession. Bartender is a good one if you haven't seen it. It seems like a common way to make moe manga more interesting so I'm not sure why there aren't too many adaptions of them. It would be nice if there were, though. |
Aug 25, 2016 9:00 AM
#8
@zombie_pegasus If most of those on closer to the pure SoL side then it may be more my inexperience than an actual lack of this in the medium. How many idol anime actually portray the idol industry somewhat accurately though? As far as I know most of them are extremely idealistic about it. Lollo36 said: Extremely relevant: https://twitter.com/frog_kun/status/768772733953904640 Save us all, Shirobako. There's a show about college-age idol voice actresses next season, which could be interesting, unless you equate idols to schools settings (and I wouldn't blame you for doing so) Ahh. So it's less that they don't sell and more that there's fear that they won't sell? Of course, Space Brothers aired in a daytime slot, so there may be potential there as well if otaku wouldn't care for this sort of thing, but the general public would. |
TripleSRankAug 25, 2016 9:06 AM
Aug 25, 2016 9:14 AM
#9
@TripleSRank The all stick their premise and use the work scenario as the cute things that the cute girls are doing. Out of the three idol anime I've seen Love Live is about a group of friends who came together and aren't doing it for money (I'm sure this happens fairly frequently just like how it's common for friends to start a band), Idolmaster is from the producer's point of view and shows what the industry is like, although he seems a lot kinder than what I've heard most producers are like, and Aikatsu is set in a fantasy world where the entire world is based around idols. It's hard to really say how accurate they are when one isn't about it being an industry and another has it set as the most important industry (sort of like how important coal and oil are here). |
Aug 25, 2016 9:20 AM
#10
CheekyKunt said: Shirobako's massive success actually saved P.A Works from bankruptcy after Nagi no Asakura and Glasslip's failure. Source? NagiAsu wasn't even a commercial failure. TripleSRank said: @zombie_pegasus If most of those on closer to the pure SoL side then it may be more my inexperience than an actual lack of this in the medium. How many idol anime actually portray the idol industry somewhat accurately though? As far as I know most of them are extremely idealistic about it. Apparently: https://myanimelist.net/anime/23151/Shounen_Hollywood__Holly_Stage_for_49?q=shounen%20holl Judging from the 30 minutes I've seen of it, this one kinda qualifies: https://myanimelist.net/anime/19023/Wake_Up_Girls?q=wake%20up And of course: https://myanimelist.net/anime/437/Perfect_Blue?q=perfect%20bl I would also like to squeeze Cinderella Girls' second season in there. It's still idealized, but it's gr8 nonetheless. |
Aug 25, 2016 9:33 AM
#11
Nodame Cantabile is a good option; it follows a pair of classical musicians from the end of their college careers into their early professional life in the sequels. Hataraki Man follows a 28-yo editor facing overwork and patriarchy at a weekly magazine. Bartender is more of a "healing" anime than one focused on a profession, but it fits that category as well. You can watch that on YouTube: If "crime" is a profession, then you've got a number of options like Black Lagoon, Baccano!, and the Lupin III series. Monster is about a neurosurgeon though after the first half-dozen episodes the focus changes. There's also the classic Salaryman Kintaro: More broadly, as others have suggested, the target audience for most anime is teenagers and young adults. They aren't as interested in life in the workplace, which many Japanese see as oppressive. As for SHIROBAKO, it averaged about 15,000 copies per volume. Receiving the "Best Television Animation of the Year" award at the Tokyo Anime Awards didn't hurt either. |
SeijiSenseiAug 25, 2016 9:43 AM
Aug 25, 2016 9:33 AM
#12
Even if its about a boring profession, those are a lot better than school based anime...goddamn theres like billions of them, when it will stop |
Aug 25, 2016 10:03 AM
#13
My guess would be that there aren't too many "romantic" professions, aka. professions that you'd really want to do and see an anime of. Slice of Life tend not to contain much high drama and generally want to keep a lighter tone, so the profession has to be interesting but not very difficult. Being an artist or an astronaut are quite romantic professions, and being a teacher can be glamorised too... Other professions, not so much. Surprised no-one's mentioned Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu, yet. |
Aug 25, 2016 10:08 AM
#14
CheekyKunt said: That sounds like a bit of a stretch. Do you have a source backing that by chance?Not really sure it's about sales TC. Shirobako's massive success actually saved P.A Works from bankruptcy after Nagi no Asakura and Glasslip's failure. I guess it's cause WorkComs aren't the easiest thing to make engaging. |
Aug 25, 2016 10:09 AM
#15
The barriers that come to mind would be that the more niche the job/life, the more difficult it would be to make an appealing work. An unusual profession might be more inherently interesting, but it also means the creator(s) might have to do a greater deal of research - and technical knowledge/persona experience is probably harder to come by. Without even the base tools, it'd be difficult to make it the centrepiece of a work as opposed to a setting element. So even if we have someone knowledgeable and capable of writing a profession-specific work, it's unlikely that a straight and heavily grounded portrayal would garner much interest. So we're going to need drama, comedy, moe, shonenisms, romance, or some other genre to ground the direction. So I suppose that creates two criteria for the work: 1. to be both capable of portraying the topic. 2. to be a successful work in its broader genre. An original anime might more easily share the burden of invention, but comes with higher standards and pressures for a conforming work. Being too adventurous is risky, so it stands to reason that realistic profession-centric works are less commonplace because they're not themselves recognised as an established and successful genre. My knowledge is limited, but I think these works do exist in manga - only, they're seemingly not successful/popularised to a great extent, nor does the anime industry/fandom have a particular attachment to them. If we take a look at your examples, I think it's telling that these works are quite different in style, but also similar in their success. Space Brothers is fairly light on the 'profession' (from what I've seen), and much links it in to drama and story progression - the shonen narrative. Also, space exploration itself is a widely familiar topic that sparks the imagination and is well covered in the public mind. It has a dual appeal, but I think people see the show more as a work about 'brothers in space' rather than 'life of an astronaut'. Shirobako has obvious moe appeal and a traditional storyline progression. Its details about anime production are definitely unusual, but I think its success (perhaps in spite of that element) is that animation is something intrinsically relevant to the viewer, being about anime and all. I also think it was just a high quality work in all departments. Barakamon and GTO I wouldn't even consider 'professional SoL'. I think they're comedies which use their MC's job as a prop/setting. There's little teaching and calligraphy shown to us. Hanasaku Iroha, I think is similar to Shirobako in that it wraps itself in the general appeals of cute girls and visuals, whilst having the benefit of solid writing. Of your examples, it's certainly the most 'slice of life', and I think it's quite literal there, as being at the inn/town - we see the characters quite literally live and work whilst playing out the dramas of everyday. Perhaps it's telling that the closest to SoL are Hanasaku and Shirobako - both anime originals made by PA Works. It might seem that their producers have an affinity for 'real-world' SoL/drama that happens to overlap with 'professional' settings. The other examples are adaptations that (imo) focus less on the 'life of that profession', and more on drama or comedy, etc. Aside from the aforementioned Bakuman, Bartender, etc., I can think of Genshiken, Sore ga Seiyuu, and Koe de Oshigoto as being quite fitting - each of which are anime related as it so happens. In regards to manga there's surely plenty about mangaka - and probably a heap of somewhat obscure lifestyle works like Sumiyaki Monogatari, Kamigami no Itadaki?, and Oishinbo? for example. The popular ones are probably already animated - or are more likely in line with a live-action show (Gozen 3-ji, Shinya Shokudo). |
CkanAug 25, 2016 10:14 AM
Aug 25, 2016 10:23 AM
#16
None of the shows you listed isn't heavy drama and/or comedy. You're missing another major element of these shows, which is moe (sometimes overlaps with comedy, but often isn't funny enough to be considered "heavy"). With that addition, I'm pretty sure what you're talking about, a show void of or minimizes these elements, most likely doesn't exist to begin with, much less than there not being more of them. |
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Aug 25, 2016 12:05 PM
#17
Lollo36 said: CheekyKunt said: Shirobako's massive success actually saved P.A Works from bankruptcy after Nagi no Asakura and Glasslip's failure. Source? NagiAsu wasn't even a commercial failure. Chandela said: That sounds like a bit of a stretch. Do you have a source backing that by chance? My bad it was only Glasslip...and it wasn't even bankruptcy just a huge dent in profits |
Aug 25, 2016 12:27 PM
#18
TripleSRank said: Unless my perspective is obscured, there don't appear to be many of these. When you cut out shows that heavily focus on drama, romance, or comedy in lieu of a "purer" slice of life approach, there aren't many slice of life shows that focus on a real-world profession. The only one's I've seen or heard of are Space Brothers, Shirobako, Barakamon, Hanasaku Iroha, and (maybe, might be comedy-based) Great Teacher Onizuka. My question is why there don't seem to be many anime that explore the daily life of a real-world professions like these do. I'm looking for reasoned speculation. Are there simply not many manga about this sort of thing? Do anime based on manga of this type sell BDs poorly in Japan? Or is it something else? Sore ga Seiyuu, Servant X Service, Hataraki Man, Bartender, Bakuman, even Aria could count since gondoliere(?) is a job. Honey and Clover gives some insight into the world of art. Master Keaton is about an insurance investigator, Gallery Fake about a black market arts dealer. Yakitate Japan is about baking. Shokugeki no Souma about cooking. Spice and Wolf is about trading. Those are all professions and fall under the same larger category to me although their sub-genres can vary a lot. There are actually quite many shows that focus on a profession in some way, at least the way I see it. I'd never have thought of it as being a rarity. More like a specialty of the anime genre because it's not something you see in movies or live action series or anything of the likes, but there's plenty of it in anime. |
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Aug 26, 2016 6:05 AM
#19
Pullman said: More like a specialty of the anime genre because it's not something you see in movies or live action series or anything of the likes, but there's plenty of it in anime. Unless they are cops, FBI agents, private detectives, attorneys, or doctors. Not many bartenders, bakers, cooks, or art dealers though, at least on American television. |
Aug 26, 2016 7:36 AM
#20
Do stuff like Kaleido Star, Skip Beat and Nana count? I was always under the impression that show biz and shoujo go well together. . There's also the Shounen Hollywood and Showa Rakugo mentioned above. |
Aug 26, 2016 8:30 AM
#21
hahah this. And yeah, I think on these kinds of shows, character chemistry it the most imporant plot device. It's seriously hard to find ADULT characters to be buddybuddy nakama without it sounding not real. Also you can't deny if there is a female present in one of these shows, they are bound to be used for "moe appeal", well most of the time. Hanasaku Iroha was too fanservice-y for me I don't consider it much of a profession-based anime but rather a shoujo slice of life lol |
Aug 26, 2016 8:33 AM
#22
why aren't you people watching Hataraki Man? |
Aug 26, 2016 9:33 AM
#23
I think it's because the demographic thing. A lot of anime aims at teenagers. Since teenagers deal mainly with school and an emerging social life, anime deals primarily with these themes. Also, notice how 'philosophical' anime deal with universal themes of science, war, meaning of life, technology (Shinsekai Yori, Paranoia Agent, Serial Experiments Lain). Even teenagers deal with these themes. The theme of being in a profession is an aspect of the adult world. |
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Aug 26, 2016 9:45 AM
#24
I feel like there's been a small degree of misunderstanding with many who replied here-- and part of it is likely my fault for using examples based on reputation rather than knowledge, as @Ckan noted with Barakamon and GTO (and as an aside, I do think Ckan got what I was going for aside from a small quirk that I very much do see Space Brothers as being about "the life of an astronaut" rather than "brothers in space")-- but the main issue here is the lack of insight into the daily life of the profession given. Where the plot is heavily driven by drama, romance, or comedy, it tends to intrude into the focus and rob the work of the quality I'm talking about. One interesting case I hadn't thought of that @Pullman mentioned is that of Spice & Wolf, which (fantasy elements aside) seemed fairly believable look at the daily life of a medieval travelling merchant, allowing it to retain the profession-focused element to an extent without necessarily being a slice of life, making it somethkng of an outlier even though I still think the slice of life format tends to showcase the element in question better. Even so, I have a hard time seeing something like Yakikate!! Japan as an even remotely realistic look into the life of a baker, for example, which is why I'm hesitant to accept that or most idol anime as a valid example. Of course, I'm not insisting on something completely plotless either. To use the baker as an example, we could perhaps have a light plot with a goal of winning some upcoming baking contest in a fair, albeit with a much stronger slice of life pace rather than the competitive, almost battle shounen-like pace of something like Yakikate!! Japan or Shokugeki no Souma. It would be grounded and down to earth rather than larger than life and competitive. Perhaps the ever-so-brief (single episode?) example of when Tomoya started working for the Furukawas' bakery in Clannad: After Story could illustrate what I mean to a degree; Tomoya and Akio had to wake up very early, prepare the dough, get everything baked, and stock the shelves before opening, after which it (for Tomoya) was mostly about manning the cash register and interacting with the other characters. This focus was quickly lost in lieu of other things since Clannad isn't a story about baking, but the single episode in question could qualify for what I'm talking about. And from that perspective it very well could be what @Shoegum mentioned, that there aren't many professions that are romanticized enough to hold an audience's interest without having drama or comedy intrude and "hijack" the focus of the series. Something like going to space or creating art may be perceived as something fun rather than actual work by outsiders, making it work better as a sort of personal fantasy even without strong elements of drama, romance, etc.. Even with something like Aria, I imagine the focus would be more on the fantastical world the work is set in rather than the job of being a gondolier. On the flip-side, even though "space garbage collector" isn't a real-world job as portrayed in Planetes, what I've seen of Planetes does indeed focus on the job aspect a lot, so I'd say it qualifies. As for most of the other examples mentioned, I couldn't say since I don't know enough about them. (@SeijiSensei) Although Monster definitely wouldn't count since the life of a surgeon is hardly explored even in the very first episodes, something like Black Lagoon or Baccano! very well might-- I simply don't know because I haven't seen them, and while after reading the replies so far I suspect Nodame Cantabile might be a case in a similar vein as Spice & Wolf, again, I just don't know. If anyone has any additonal thoughts or changes to their original ones after my clarification of my point, or would like me to explain further somehow, I am still very much interested in others thoughts on this. |
TripleSRankAug 26, 2016 9:48 AM
Aug 26, 2016 10:10 AM
#25
Showa Monogatari is a quiet slice-of-life nostalgia piece about a lower-middle-class family living in Tokyo in 1964. The father owns a small machine shop. It has been his life's work, and he employs a couple of other men. It's also not doing very well in 1964 because of rise of then high-tech manufacturing has made his hand-made precision craft uneconomical. Though the shop is an important theme running through the story, the show meanders through some other story lines as well mostly involving his children. There are also little "travelogues" at the end of each episode comparing the locations seen that week in 1964 and now. As I said, it's designed to be very nostalgic for people who lived at that time. In the same vein, where a supporting character has the professional role, I suggest the situation comedy Ikoku Meiro no Croisee, Sixteen-year-old Yune travels to Paris in the 19th century to work as a shop-girl for a young ironmonger. We do see Claude at work in some episodes, but it's much more a "culture-clash" comedy in story and style. Yune comes to grips with eating cheese, while Claude discovers that Japanese people bathe a lot more often than 19th century Frenchmen. |
Aug 26, 2016 12:41 PM
#26
I think workplace slices of life ultimately succeed through the same method as the best "regular" slices of life in that they allow the viewer to understand something about life in general or their own life by offering an involved look at a perspective different from their own. For example, while Shirobako is most definitely a detailed examination of the process of making anime, one could just as convincingly argue that it's about work, friendship, passion, professionalism, accomplishment, and gradually gaining a sense of fulfillment from life that eases or overcomes your uncertainties--all things which could be applied to virtually anyone's life regardless of their interests or profession, with the characters' daily workplace life and dedication to anime production being the vehicle of choice for delivering this statement rather than the statement itself. This is not easy to achieve, so for the same reason that there might not be many great "regular" slices of life, there might not be many great entries in this even smaller area. In addition, there may be more of these shows out there than anyone can say because they often reside at the intersection of numerous genres and subjects, as illustrated by prior mentions of Planetes, Spice & Wolf, etc. Some may say Hajime no Ippo fits the bill, some may say not. Some may say Beck fits the bill, some may say not. And so on. Heck, it hadn't even occurred to me that Barakamon could qualify until I saw it listed in your post. (Try Wake Up Girls for idols). |
Aug 26, 2016 12:49 PM
#27
I have no idea. But I'd like to watch some! It might be due to the targeted audience. Most of the main characters are either high school students or teenagers or they live in a fantasy world where their 'job' is to save the world. Human Crossings is also a nice slice of life anime of that sort. It explores a different character and plot in each episode, though. |
Aug 27, 2016 12:43 AM
#28
@TripleSRank: I think it also has something to do with the lack of adrenaline many professions have. Notice how the profession of police officer/detective is common in stories. The profession has a built-in good vs. evil pattern. If you're a firefighter, you don't have this. You have to build characters with inner conflicts to drive the story and that's more difficult. |
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Aug 27, 2016 12:59 AM
#29
They are rare indeed. It most likely because anime fans don't have jobs and can't relate. Not to mention anime is for escapism so yeah, that's why. And of course, as others said, most anime aimed at teenagers. |
ZapredonAug 27, 2016 12:25 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Aug 27, 2016 1:26 AM
#30
@TripleSRank Idk, you're nitpicking a bit too much in my opinion. I mean if you set extremely specific parameters then obviously there are not many shows that would fit it, that goes for any genre or concept so wondering about why that may be seems redundant. The answer is because your parameters are very narrow. And a lot of the distinctions seem very subjective. I found Aria to be more about the life as a gondoliere than Planetes about space garbage man if you look at the whole duration of both shows/franchises, for example. At the end of the day I derive similar enjoyment out of various executions of the profession-focused storytelling as long as the details of the profession seem accurate and believable enough, the setting can be fantasy or sci-fi, the job doesn't have to exist in real life (space garbage man, fantasy gondoliere, Mushishi) or be relatable or common, the context or characters can be over the top, or it can be hyper realistic, it can be purely episodic like Master Keaton or Gallery Fake, or be slice of life like you said, or can have a main plot and only be the setting so to speak, it can be part of a show without being the focus like in the latter parts of Major etc... The thing they have all in common is part of why I like them so that distinction is good enough for me and it doesn't feel rare at all. But if you only look at one specific of those groups of course there will only be a handful of shows. But being profession-centered in some way is a common element in my experience and a very enjoyable one especially since it often involves niche jobs in anime, while in western media we only get doctors or anything involved with hunting down criminals for the most part. I agree that Barakamon isn't really that type of show tho. It focuses less on the job than any of the other series that have been mentioned. |
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Aug 27, 2016 12:24 PM
#31
Robiiii said: Even if its about a boring profession, those are a lot better than school based anime...goddamn theres like billions of them, when it will stop Same here. I would prefer boring profession than school based anime. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Aug 27, 2016 12:42 PM
#32
Shoegum said: My guess would be that there aren't too many "romantic" professions, aka. professions that you'd really want to do and see an anime of. Slice of Life tend not to contain much high drama and generally want to keep a lighter tone, so the profession has to be interesting but not very difficult. Being an artist or an astronaut are quite romantic professions, and being a teacher can be glamorised too... Other professions, not so much. Surprised no-one's mentioned Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu, yet. well if you are going to include art forms like profession centered then you can also include stuff like beck or even sports series like one outs |
Aug 27, 2016 12:44 PM
#33
Lollo36 said: Extremely relevant: https://twitter.com/frog_kun/status/768772733953904640 Save us all, Shirobako. There's a show about college-age idol voice actresses next season, which could be interesting, unless you equate idols to schools settings (and I wouldn't blame you for doing so) i coukd never understood why shirobako is such a big sucess did anyone actually believed that was an acurate portrayal of the anime industry? |
Aug 27, 2016 12:50 PM
#34
This season has New Game! It's about game developers. |
Aug 27, 2016 1:01 PM
#35
gabrielrroiz said: Shoegum said: My guess would be that there aren't too many "romantic" professions, aka. professions that you'd really want to do and see an anime of. Slice of Life tend not to contain much high drama and generally want to keep a lighter tone, so the profession has to be interesting but not very difficult. Being an artist or an astronaut are quite romantic professions, and being a teacher can be glamorised too... Other professions, not so much. Surprised no-one's mentioned Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu, yet. well if you are going to include art forms like profession centered then you can also include stuff like beck or even sports series like one outs I think you could include Beck, but One Outs doesn't have the Slice of Life tag? |
Aug 27, 2016 9:14 PM
#36
I'd just like to note that even if I haven't directly responded to anyone's post here, it's just because I don't have anything to respond to it/add to it. I've read every post and appreciate them all. Special mention to @mahoganycow in particular. SeijiSensei said: Showa Monogatari is a quiet slice-of-life nostalgia piece about a lower-middle-class family living in Tokyo in 1964. The father owns a small machine shop. It has been his life's work, and he employs a couple of other men. It's also not doing very well in 1964 because of rise of then high-tech manufacturing has made his hand-made precision craft uneconomical. Though the shop is an important theme running through the story, the show meanders through some other story lines as well mostly involving his children. There are also little "travelogues" at the end of each episode comparing the locations seen that week in 1964 and now. As I said, it's designed to be very nostalgic for people who lived at that time. In the same vein, where a supporting character has the professional role, I suggest the situation comedy Ikoku Meiro no Croisee, Sixteen-year-old Yune travels to Paris in the 19th century to work as a shop-girl for a young ironmonger. We do see Claude at work in some episodes, but it's much more a "culture-clash" comedy in story and style. Yune comes to grips with eating cheese, while Claude discovers that Japanese people bathe a lot more often than 19th century Frenchmen. The first case in particular sounds like it's what I'm talking about. Thanks for sharing. TheBrainintheJar said: @TripleSRank: I think it also has something to do with the lack of adrenaline many professions have. Notice how the profession of police officer/detective is common in stories. The profession has a built-in good vs. evil pattern. If you're a firefighter, you don't have this. You have to build characters with inner conflicts to drive the story and that's more difficult. While true, couldn't the same argument be levied against purer SOL shows in general? I mean CGDCT exists perfectly well without characters with internal conflicts to drive the story. (Don't bite me, CGDCT fans. I know I'm generalizing.) Pullman said: @TripleSRank Idk, you're nitpicking a bit too much in my opinion. I mean if you set extremely specific parameters then obviously there are not many shows that would fit it, that goes for any genre or concept so wondering about why that may be seems redundant. The answer is because your parameters are very narrow. And a lot of the distinctions seem very subjective. I found Aria to be more about the life as a gondoliere than Planetes about space garbage man if you look at the whole duration of both shows/franchises, for example. At the end of the day I derive similar enjoyment out of various executions of the profession-focused storytelling as long as the details of the profession seem accurate and believable enough, the setting can be fantasy or sci-fi, the job doesn't have to exist in real life (space garbage man, fantasy gondoliere, Mushishi) or be relatable or common, the context or characters can be over the top, or it can be hyper realistic, it can be purely episodic like Master Keaton or Gallery Fake, or be slice of life like you said, or can have a main plot and only be the setting so to speak, it can be part of a show without being the focus like in the latter parts of Major etc... The thing they have all in common is part of why I like them so that distinction is good enough for me and it doesn't feel rare at all. But if you only look at one specific of those groups of course there will only be a handful of shows. But being profession-centered in some way is a common element in my experience and a very enjoyable one especially since it often involves niche jobs in anime, while in western media we only get doctors or anything involved with hunting down criminals for the most part. I agree that Barakamon isn't really that type of show tho. It focuses less on the job than any of the other series that have been mentioned. While I understand the argument and I agree with the principle that if your parameters are narrow enough then you will obviously only encounter a few examples, I don't understand why you're applying it to this situation. That I can even describe what I'm talking about in two very general terms, "profession-centered" and "slice of life", should show that this is the exact opposite of being "extremely specific". If anything, I think it is you who is nitpicking about being unable to use specific examples: Insisting that any anime that has profession elements in it should suffice would be little different than insisting Mobile Suit Gundam is a perfectly appropriate example of an action show revolving around romance. Sure, the romance is there, but it's hardly relevant to the overall focus of the show. And, again, I'm wasn't really arguing specific examples. It's not as if I've seen Aria to say definitively that it's less about the job and more about the world, for example, and I already acknowledged outlier cases where the job in question may drive a more adventure-y (Spice & Wolf) or drama-y (Nodame Cantabile?) plot rather than a SOL one. I've even noted that this question may have come about due to my inexperience, yet despite being very flexible in acknowledging the potential existence of shows that are not the point of this thread and even opening up my own stance to correction, for some reason you still seem to be trying to undercut the purpose of this thread rather than actually responding to it (either by showing that it is my inexperience or by answering the thread's question), and I simply don't understand why. If you just don't like the thread's topic, you don't have to respond. |
TripleSRankAug 27, 2016 9:20 PM
Aug 27, 2016 11:22 PM
#37
gabrielrroiz said: Lollo36 said: Extremely relevant: https://twitter.com/frog_kun/status/768772733953904640 Save us all, Shirobako. There's a show about college-age idol voice actresses next season, which could be interesting, unless you equate idols to schools settings (and I wouldn't blame you for doing so) i coukd never understood why shirobako is such a big sucess did anyone actually believed that was an acurate portrayal of the anime industry? We're pretty sure anime makers are the best when it comes to telling about anime industry. There probably aren't so many pretty girls there IRL, but that's not what we care about. |
Aug 28, 2016 7:33 AM
#38
TripleSRank said: I'd just like to note that even if I haven't directly responded to anyone's post here, it's just because I don't have anything to respond to it/add to it. I've read every post and appreciate them all. Special mention to @mahoganycow in particular. SeijiSensei said: Showa Monogatari is a quiet slice-of-life nostalgia piece about a lower-middle-class family living in Tokyo in 1964. The father owns a small machine shop. It has been his life's work, and he employs a couple of other men. It's also not doing very well in 1964 because of rise of then high-tech manufacturing has made his hand-made precision craft uneconomical. Though the shop is an important theme running through the story, the show meanders through some other story lines as well mostly involving his children. There are also little "travelogues" at the end of each episode comparing the locations seen that week in 1964 and now. As I said, it's designed to be very nostalgic for people who lived at that time. In the same vein, where a supporting character has the professional role, I suggest the situation comedy Ikoku Meiro no Croisee, Sixteen-year-old Yune travels to Paris in the 19th century to work as a shop-girl for a young ironmonger. We do see Claude at work in some episodes, but it's much more a "culture-clash" comedy in story and style. Yune comes to grips with eating cheese, while Claude discovers that Japanese people bathe a lot more often than 19th century Frenchmen. The first case in particular sounds like it's what I'm talking about. Thanks for sharing. TheBrainintheJar said: @TripleSRank: I think it also has something to do with the lack of adrenaline many professions have. Notice how the profession of police officer/detective is common in stories. The profession has a built-in good vs. evil pattern. If you're a firefighter, you don't have this. You have to build characters with inner conflicts to drive the story and that's more difficult. While true, couldn't the same argument be levied against purer SOL shows in general? I mean CGDCT exists perfectly well without characters with internal conflicts to drive the story. (Don't bite me, CGDCT fans. I know I'm generalizing.) Pullman said: @TripleSRank Idk, you're nitpicking a bit too much in my opinion. I mean if you set extremely specific parameters then obviously there are not many shows that would fit it, that goes for any genre or concept so wondering about why that may be seems redundant. The answer is because your parameters are very narrow. And a lot of the distinctions seem very subjective. I found Aria to be more about the life as a gondoliere than Planetes about space garbage man if you look at the whole duration of both shows/franchises, for example. At the end of the day I derive similar enjoyment out of various executions of the profession-focused storytelling as long as the details of the profession seem accurate and believable enough, the setting can be fantasy or sci-fi, the job doesn't have to exist in real life (space garbage man, fantasy gondoliere, Mushishi) or be relatable or common, the context or characters can be over the top, or it can be hyper realistic, it can be purely episodic like Master Keaton or Gallery Fake, or be slice of life like you said, or can have a main plot and only be the setting so to speak, it can be part of a show without being the focus like in the latter parts of Major etc... The thing they have all in common is part of why I like them so that distinction is good enough for me and it doesn't feel rare at all. But if you only look at one specific of those groups of course there will only be a handful of shows. But being profession-centered in some way is a common element in my experience and a very enjoyable one especially since it often involves niche jobs in anime, while in western media we only get doctors or anything involved with hunting down criminals for the most part. I agree that Barakamon isn't really that type of show tho. It focuses less on the job than any of the other series that have been mentioned. While I understand the argument and I agree with the principle that if your parameters are narrow enough then you will obviously only encounter a few examples, I don't understand why you're applying it to this situation. That I can even describe what I'm talking about in two very general terms, "profession-centered" and "slice of life", should show that this is the exact opposite of being "extremely specific". If anything, I think it is you who is nitpicking about being unable to use specific examples: Insisting that any anime that has profession elements in it should suffice would be little different than insisting Mobile Suit Gundam is a perfectly appropriate example of an action show revolving around romance. Sure, the romance is there, but it's hardly relevant to the overall focus of the show. And, again, I'm wasn't really arguing specific examples. It's not as if I've seen Aria to say definitively that it's less about the job and more about the world, for example, and I already acknowledged outlier cases where the job in question may drive a more adventure-y (Spice & Wolf) or drama-y (Nodame Cantabile?) plot rather than a SOL one. I've even noted that this question may have come about due to my inexperience, yet despite being very flexible in acknowledging the potential existence of shows that are not the point of this thread and even opening up my own stance to correction, for some reason you still seem to be trying to undercut the purpose of this thread rather than actually responding to it (either by showing that it is my inexperience or by answering the thread's question), and I simply don't understand why. If you just don't like the thread's topic, you don't have to respond. IIRC, shows about cute girls don't focus on a profession. They work differently than what you propose. They focus on character relationship and odd occurances of everyday life. They require less jargon to understand. You may need some understanding of a military base to understand ancedotes about life in the military. I know I often preface my anecdotes with explaining such jargon. |
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Aug 28, 2016 7:37 AM
#39
Wensbane said: if you are curious for more, anidb has a tag for itThis season has New Game! It's about game developers. https://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=tag&tagid=5640&reltb=animetb its rarer premise than i thought.. |
Aug 28, 2016 7:47 AM
#40
Zapredon said: Robiiii said: Even if its about a boring profession, those are a lot better than school based anime...goddamn theres like billions of them, when it will stop Same here. I would prefer boring profession than school based anime. Zapredon said: Unfortunately, it's too risky to invest at that project. Unless the project panders an established demographic or fanbase (preferably the solid fujoshis or cgdct fans) or the investors are crazy risk takers, that dream will not come true.Robiiii said: Even if its about a boring profession, those are a lot better than school based anime...goddamn theres like billions of them, when it will stop Same here. I would prefer boring profession than school based anime. |
Aug 28, 2016 8:19 PM
#41
crx07 said: Zapredon said: Robiiii said: Even if its about a boring profession, those are a lot better than school based anime...goddamn theres like billions of them, when it will stop Same here. I would prefer boring profession than school based anime. Zapredon said: Unfortunately, it's too risky to invest at that project. Unless the project panders an established demographic or fanbase (preferably the solid fujoshis or cgdct fans) or the investors are crazy risk takers, that dream will not come true.Robiiii said: Even if its about a boring profession, those are a lot better than school based anime...goddamn theres like billions of them, when it will stop Same here. I would prefer boring profession than school based anime. That's true. It's risky indeed especially considered the fact most anime are targeted for teenagers. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
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