Meanwhile in Japan

ichii_1 said:
People are just trying to be edgy.
But nothing will compare to the anal devastation of naruto XD XD XD

XD
http://imgur.com/a/XKwJ4/#0

sumusiko said:


Honestly this is also the reason why I'm upset. I realize there's many plot holes but honestly the story was already "meh" after HM Arc so I didn't really care much about it, the thing with Ichigo and Rukia pairing was what made me follow the manga because they seemed to have a really unique relationship and the SS arc was literally the golden age of Bleach, I personally found that to be pretty close to what people call "Love" from both sides, Rukia and Ichigo.

-Artorias said:
The stupidity of some people astonishes me Bleach isn't even a fucking romance manga for god sake, Kubo said time and time again that there will not be any kind of love triangle shit here. RUKIA and ICHIGO were never even attracted to each other. They were precious NAKAMA, if anyone else belive otherwise they are just deluding themselves.

Honestly I'm just fucking tired of seeing this ship war everywere I go, and frankly if a ship not happening is the thing you find the worst of this mess of an ending you should read it again.

subarashini said:

^^ This
Symbolism? Hints? What is this a shoujo manga?
This is a shounen manga. The MC will chose whoever he like without caring in those symbolism and hints.
Bulma was the Female lead of Dragon Ball. She and Goku had so many moments together but what happened? She became a supporting character, ended up with Vegeta instead of Goku or her long time bf Yamcha.
The popularity of a shounen manga will be base on the plot, the story, how good the fight scenes are and the entertaining it brought. It's not about who the MC is in love with.That's why, no matter how strong the shipping war is, once a shounen manga's story started to drag, it also lose it's popularity. I am just shocked at how someone thought the popularity of bleach was about Rukia and Ichigo's "love" - ridiculous, funny and yes sounds stupid. If that is the case, Bleach wouldn't lose it's popularity stupid shipper. Naruto is the same, shippers were all shocked at how it ended and called it garbage manga. But even before Naruto ended,the sales already dropped. A Shounen manga's popularity has nothing to do with the romance, they are targeting male leaders after all. So the ending couple is like a big middle finger from Kubo to those who ridicule his manga because of their ship.

Rukia is the Shinigami who changed Ichigo's life forever. That is there all to is.

-Artorias said:
The stupidity of some people astonishes me Bleach isn't even a fucking romance manga for god sake, Kubo said time and time again that there will not be any kind of love triangle shit here. RUKIA and ICHIGO were never even attracted to each other. They were precious NAKAMA, if anyone else belive otherwise they are just deluding themselves.

Honestly I'm just fucking tired of seeing this ship war everywere I go, and frankly if a ship not happening is the thing you find the worst of this mess of an ending you should read it again.

MasterHavik said:
I'm dancing right now to this.....yes....yes...fucking yes...

This is what you get for dragging out your piece of shit manga and wasted my life with that dumb anime. Fucking burn everything with his name on it. Kubo should never work in this business again. I get sick of these clowns just looking to make one big IP and milk it for all its worth.

I'm sorry...but him and the guy behind Naruto really piss me off.

Hijazi said:
The last chapter put the nail in coffin of bleach. As if plot holes and inconsistencies were not enough, kubo threw a forced ichihime relationship as well. For 500+ chapters Rukia is the significant other to Ichigo with all the symbolism of two sharing destiny, black sun/white moon, the one who stopped the rain etc etc (oh I didn't make that up it all came from kubo mind you). But kubo threw all that into gutter in the last 50 or so chapters to justify a ichihime relationship. That's why it is forced and you can't blame ichiruke fans to be upset at the end pairings.

For those saying ichiruki is just platonic and no romantic feelings were involved I'll just leave these here:

http://kawaichappy.livejournal.com/17953.html
http://deathberry.com/index.php?topic=249.70 (read spiderkiss post)

well that's about who should have ended with who.

Now coming to the bleach verse, its plot and its ending; there are so many things left unexplained that hardly anyone (except the ichihime fans) will be pleased or not get upset with it. i.e
where are urahara and co.?
who is the new soul king (if there is one)?
what exactly happened to juha's remnant reitsu? ichigo's kid blew it or aizen absorbed it?
why is aizen acting like a good kid now?
how are the worlds standing if there is no soul king? he/it never got mentioned so . . .
what happened to Harribal (or whatever her name was)?
where are the royal guards?
why juha was affected by kyokasuigetsu?
Yachiru being zaraki's zanpaktu?
what happened to the surviving quincies (the glutton and zombie boy)?
Soul king's history?
mysteries surrounding yoroichi, urahara, mayuri?
etc etc

So don't you think it would have been better if all or some of these were answered in the last chapter instead of characters and shippings majority never care about? It is a shonen manga right? so why the hell did we get a shojo end with the two pair getting together and lived happily ever after?

Also there is discontent about how Juha (the guy with the powers of SK, all the strenitters, Yama's bankai and his own) was defeated, trashing of unohana and ukitake, no action on part of the fathers and espadas etc etc.

That's why all the hate and disappointment you are seeing around.

sumusiko said:


Just gotta say, anyone who reads SpiderKiss post and still says there's no romantic hints between Rukia and Ichigo is either blind, in denial or plain stupid.

BigBoss said:


I get it that no one can take away from you the privilege of fighting the good fight but man... just let it go... With those kind of posts you will not convince anyone except spark more ppl to argue with you unless that is the reason why you are still going at it? there are so many things you can get mad about in all the mess Bleach has and one thing you are absolutely stuck on is romance...

sumusiko said:


The story already became too retarded after Full bringer arc for me to bother with anything other than Ichigo ending with Rukia, which seemed kinda obvious so I just read bleach for shits and giggles

SmoothJazzDavis said:




Just that scene is pretty obvious. What's that? Ehh, that's nothing. Only some friday's flirting in the bar.

dakotasapphire said:
Funny how rukia and ichigo are OBVIOUSLY FRIENDS AND NOTHING MORE AND SHE'S From another world. And Orihime is a friend from the past, and a gentle beautiful girl who's very similar to ichigo and actually shows many signs of liking/loving him. So why would the author put ichigo with rukia? Their relationship is purely comical/too serious.

Koffeetoffe123 said:
But this is shounen so.

sumusiko said:
Just gotta say, anyone who reads SpiderKiss post and still says there's no romantic hints between Rukia and Ichigo is either blind, in denial or plain stupid.

BigBoss said:
And I'm sure there are million other ways for you to vent your frustration/disappointment on this subject rather than keep bringing up "Ichiruki" in a thread that is let's be honest is completely irrelevant to shipping wars, it kinda became it tnx to couple of nice gentleman who keep bringing it up.

Hijazi said:



Yes. so why is it that we get a shojo end with the two pair getting together and lived happily ever after? Any clue? I mean seriously. This is a shonen right?

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Hijazi said:
Oh come on! how is it irrelevant? End pairings are a huge disappointment to the respective fans too. Like sumusiko many were following it solely for the confirmation of the said ship so to see it under the bus will obviously left them upset. hence the burning of the manga.

Koffeetoffe123 said:

Just because a pairing ended up together or got married together. Doesn't mean a shounen have the same troupe like Shoujo.

Goku also got married with Chichi. Even thought Dragon Ball was mostly about fight. Even though almost the whole Dragon Ball series ,Goku and Bulma are together and it started with them.
Yusuku ended up with Keiko even though, he have more time with Botan and Botan started it all for him.

The author can pair up anyone he want without the need to follow that shoujo troupe.

BigBoss said:
Because I didn't make this thread for shipping reasons? I am one of the ppl who don't give a shit about who ended up with who but am disappointed with what we got when it comes to everything else because that is what I cared about, as is the reason the kind gentleman who burned all those Bleach volumes from the pictre did. If you wanna vent your frustration about sunken ships, make a thread about it. I guess it's my bad for not stating that the reason the dude burned the manga was that he was dissapointed with what the manga became not for stupid shipping reasons... this just proves that the first thing a shipper thinks when he sees something like this is "oh I get him, definitely mad because Ichiruki didn't happen" ........

Koffeetoffe123 said:

Just because a pairing ended up together or got married together. Doesn't mean a shounen have the same troupe like Shoujo.

Goku also got married with Chichi. Even thought Dragon Ball was mostly about fight. Even though almost the whole Dragon Ball series ,Goku and Bulma are together and it started with them.
Yusuku ended up with Keiko even though, he have more time with Botan and Botan started it all for him.

The author can pair up anyone he want without the need to follow that shoujo troupe.

Hijazi said:

You didn't get my point. I didn't want the last chapter to be a shipping confirmation (kubo could have made a panel or two for who ended with who). I wanted some of the plot holes get covered, a little light on post Yhwach world functioning, and what happened to RG, urahara & co. among others. Not to see some two pairs and their kids.

well I am saying that most of the disappointment (not just this dude) have to do with the end pairings too. So if there is a thread about how disappointed the fans are with the end; it is obvious the shippers would vent their frustration too.
Also what do you expect with a finale like this. It is obvious the shipping wars would stem from it.

sumusiko said:


DBZ was never focused in the relationship between anyone besides Goku with Picollo at the start, Goku and Vegeta's, Gohan and Vide and Gohan and Picollo. And these relationship are developed only on specific times and never touched upon again besides Goku's and Vegetas

DBZ has literally 0 relationship development besides with these 4-5 characters, yet you're trying to compare it with Bleach where it's focused on relationship development between Ichigo and his friends + Gotei 13.


This is irrelevant but ill leave this here

sumusiko said:


Following this train of thought he shouldn't have ended it with pairings then. Ichigo showed far more affection towards Rukia than he ever did towards Orihime

BigBoss said:
Guess the ending didn't sit that well...

Nunnally03 said:


Unfortunately.. they are Ichiruki fans.
Japanese fans also didn't like what they did and is asking them to stop because it's embarrassing, they are worried that if overseas fans heard about it, they will think they are all "otaku". Especially after they feel proud of Pokemon Go's popularity.

subarashini said:

^^ Here. I couldn't help but think that Kubo just got tired of shipping wars, that he chose to end the manga just to make it clear who end up with who. Especially whenever I remember how annoyed he was in twitter because of shipping fans who keep on complaining why their ship doesn't have moment together and how he tried to explain This is shounen! stop complaining about your favorite couple blah blah.

That was a big F for those who ridicule him because of their ship.

But I am disappointed as well in that part. I admire how he didn't get scared of the backlash he will receive from that big fandom of Ichiruki.

But I am disappointed that he ended his manga without explaining anything. What about those who don't care about shipping? We deserve a better conclusion.

But.. I just want to think that maybe he will make a fan book or character book just to explain everything.
Or who knows... it's their way of "marketing" so if he made a prequel or special manga volume just for that. Curious Japanese readers will buy them.




Rukia will always be a part of Ichigo's life. Bleach is about this normal guy who became Shinigami and experienced a lot of things after getting involve with this Shinigami. That's why from the beginning the first title was " Death and Strawberry" and even the last chapter have the same title. They have that connection, that bond between them but that doesn't necessarily mean "there's something romantic going on". That is the bond they have "the human who's life has change and the shinigami who changed his life". There are so many stories like that but that doesn't mean they are in love with each other or that there's something romantic going on.

But that doesn't necessary mean, that Kubo has plan for them to end up together or anything romantic. You can analyze the character all you want, hold on to what they are saying. The characters may say "I will never do it" but then do it after a while. The character will say " This is what I will never do" but end up doing it later on. Because characters are based on human personalities.
But if the author himself said that "There is nothing romantic going on between them and they only have is strong nakamanship" then you have to believe it, since it's his story. He know it better than you do.

I see some Ichiruki fans say " You fooled us! You betrayed us!"
That's super stupid because from the very beginning. He never said that there will be romance between them, from the very beginning he made it clear that they are not in love with each other, there's no romantic going on, it's just nakamanship.

This is what's really annoying with shippers. They would rather believe what they think, the thing that they made up based on their shipping judgment, than what the author himself said.
I have said this before in my previous reply to you:

"This reminds me of people who ship Nalu. Trying to find hints for Nalu, trying to find evidences that Luffy has something for Nami.
Oda: No. He is not. He's not turn on by Nami or anything, there's no romantic feeling at all.
*make scenes for other girl and luffy*
Shipper: Does Oda think, he can fool us? We're not stupid. Trying to deny it. It's the real thing."

That's how shippers are. While for most readers, Luffy is asexual and can't see having romantic feeling for anyone. Shippers still believe there's something.

BigBoss said:


While I have seen on twitter ppl destroying Bleach merchandise because of shippings, this particular picture is not shipping related, it's from a guy who said he is disappointed with the series he loved the most, and this is how he coped with it, nothing related to Ichiruki or Ichihime.

Nunnally03 said:


Sadly most people who did that where Ichiruki, it was even in news.
Here's more

BTW the original owner of that picture you posted is a Japanese Ichiruki fan.
https://twitter.com/syati549/status/766633828714545152/photo/1

sumusiko said:


The problem isn't that Ichigo didn't end up with Rukia, the problem is that he ended up with Orihime, there was literally 0 relationship build up between them that hadn't already happen between Ichigo and Rukia, not only that but Ichigo remained asexual the whole fucking manga besides in the last chapter where he's married.

Would rather have no pairings than this bullshit ending.

Exactly the same thing can be said about Rukia and Renji.

Like I've said before, one sided love is not a romantic relationship or romantic development either.


By the way he didn't say this:
"There is nothing romantic going on between them and they only have is strong nakamanship"

he said
"It's not a romantic relationship but it isn't just a friendship either".


This was like 3 or 4 years ago as well, doesn't mean that they can't develop these feelings later on.

He could've said the same about Orihime

"It's not a romantic relationship, they're just friends"

and they still ended up married.

Cabron said:
Hey, let's blame the editors and Shounen Jump while we're at it. ;)

sumusiko said:
Your argument makes no sense. You realize Jump has NO authority over what the author designs/writes right? He wasn't being forced to do a thing other than rushing the series. The only authority they have is to cancel the publishment of the series and therefore make Kubo rush it since the sales have been terrible and it was occupying space.

sumusiko said:
Your argument makes no sense. You realize Jump has NO authority over what the author designs/writes right? He wasn't being forced to do a thing other than rushing the series. The only authority they have is to cancel the publishment of the series and therefore make Kubo rush it since the sales have been terrible and it was occupying space.

metsujin said:


Don't editor 'force' the writer to change some stuff? So doesn't it make it part of Jump? I mean lots of mangaka complained that they couldn't write what they wanted because their editors wouldn't let them, so what does that mean?

For example Toriyama made Goku an adult, but all the editor department(not only his editor, but the all department) didn't liked and rejected that idea because people were starting to really like and be familiar with the kid Goku. Still as we know Today there is a Adult Goku, Toriyama was sure about that idea and he kept with it.

What about those who don't care about shipping? We deserve a better conclusion.

perhaps they are soulmates of a sort, but why does that always have to come in the form of romantic love?

metsujin said:


Don't editor 'force' the writer to change some stuff? So doesn't it make it part of Jump? I mean lots of mangaka complained that they couldn't write what they wanted because their editors wouldn't let them, so what does that mean?

sumusiko said:
By the way he didn't say this:
"There is nothing romantic going on between them and they only have is strong nakamanship"

he said
"It's not a romantic relationship but it isn't just a friendship either".

Chiibi said:
I wouldn't destroy books like that....but I'm really f*cking glad I didn't spend a DIME on the series....aside from a cute Rukia keychain. :p


Hellz yes, YOU GUYS DO. There was nothing good about that ending. Nothing.


Um..........

That IS what "soul mate" means. That you were born to be with that person. For eternity.

subarashini said:

I am not sure if you are being sarcastic with your reply or not since you capitalized that "YOU GUYS DO". But yes, we do deserve to get an ending which will explain things better, especially for readers who spent money for years in this manga - not just the ending for delusional shippers. We deserve something for us who don't give a shit about who ends up with who. But I can just think that it's his way of ending that stupid shipping war.

Chiibi said:
If it's "not friendship" but "not romance", then what the f*ck IS it? Maternal? lol

metsujin said:


Its a platonic relationship, I'm still surprise some people don't get that.

Chiibi said:


"Platonic" is the same as "friends", pretty much......well, I suppose it's "relationship without sex". lol

Hijazi said:

http://deathberry.com/index.php?topic=249.70 (read spiderkiss post)

thebrentinator24 said:
I think some people need to realize: Kubo isn't your bitch. He's not going to do something just because that's what YOU want. It's HIS story, and he's free to do whatever the hell he wants with it. Oh, your stupid little ship didn't sail? Boo-fucking-hoo, bitch about it for a couple days then get over it. Sure, some people might be destroying their Bleach merchandise (what a complete waste of money) for reasons that are unrelated to this shipping nonsense, but anyone who destroyed their Bleach stuff because of that reason must truly be pathetic. These are fictional pairings, so it's pretty sad if you're getting extremely salty over something as petty as who banged whom in a fictional story where romance was the most minor element. I've said it before and I'll say it again, battle shounen mangaka should never try forcing romance into their stories. All it does is create shipping wars that add nothing but unnecessary toxicity to the fanbase.