| Who the fuck likes fanservice??? It's fruity tits and ass everywhere....Gena the Crocodile has better story and characters than these ecchi cartoons....ya'll virgins with your tidies cartoons...get a grip, watch some Twilight for Brian's sake...Kids these days are weird...like perimetrically weird...end of the post |
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| I'm not sure I'm smart/insightful enough to add anything to this thread, so I won't. I just wanted to mention that I love Lestat too, OP. |
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| Probably because there have been plenty of cases where a competent show that hits its mark well in its main areas gets ragged on for slight fanservice added to the mix, no matter how slight. Of course, there are also plenty of vapid fanservice driven shows that contain nothing else of substance - but those shows are also (often) hitting their marks in their main areas. The difference is asking yourself if you were ever in the target audience for the product, and if the answer is no, why are you watching it and much less passing opinion on it? |
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| they maybe can say ecchi is shit. but actually his dick says different |
| I honestly don't mind it. I prefer if the sexual content is used for an actual purpose other than fanservice (see Sundome manga for a mature way to deal with sexual content in a story). If I am watching sexual content in a fanservice anime like an ecchi that doesn't take it self seriously then it doesn't bother me that much either. As long as it can be done in a tasteful way it doesn't bother me. If its the accidental fall boob grab bullshit or the girl falls on the guys face with her crouch in his mouth that shit pisses me off and I will rate it lower. |
| I just don't want it getting in the way of the story. This applies to everything, not just anime. |
romagia said: Depending on the time and place it's mentioned.. With the wrong timing and wording, it can sound like "im such a special edgy snowflake i hate ecchi >:( and moe harem;i only like good story and writing!!the anime industry doesnt do good anime because le otaku pandering sells" which i find hard to take seriously.. This is probably the best way to describe my thoughts on everything as well. Then again, I guess 99% of people who take that side of the argument have really bad timing and wording because that's how it comes across 99% of the time I see this kind of thing pop up; which is why this thread is so deliciously ironic to me. |
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| I've found that perverted people tend to project their thinking onto the rest of their gender. It's kinda annoying if you have to be around them a lot irl, but on a forum I don't find it very hard to avoid them or overlook their posts. |
| To be honest, the whole 'fanservice vs non-fanservice' is an argument perpetuated mostly by the same small group of vocal people. Well, at least for the defence of it - there's usually some newbie who rarely ever posts who starts the debate off with some anti-fanservice comments, and then it reverts back to the same shit we've seen a million and one times, where the same people make the same arguments that've already been refuted time and again. It's one thing to disagree with an opinion, with a statement, with a perspective; it's another entirely to consistently manage to misunderstand it every time. For whatever reason that escapes me, it isn't enough for one to dislike a certain aspect that they feel is out of place in a certain anime - be it drama, humour, sexual fanservice, action, gore, whatever the fuck it happens to be - you have to be questioned on that too. It isn't enough for people to simply accept that - shock horror - different people like different things. No, the same people have to express the same apparent confusion that others might not like what they like. People will come out with "I don't understand why you wouldn't like boobs? Boobs are great!" even though people have clearly and concisely explained the reasoning behind it over and over. That's where I begin to get confused. It's almost as if people just want to argue about it, like they have nothing better to do with their lives. I can understand wanting to defend something you're passionate about, but the manner in which people conduct themselves whilst doing so is childish, to be frank. People feign confusion at why others might not necessarily enjoy the same things. I don't get it. Although in the grand scheme of things, these threads are pointless anyway. A few days from now, another thread on the same topic will be made, and the same people will make the same arguments, feign the same confusion, and have the same back-and-forth bitching match, whilst the rest of us sit here rolling our eyes. The people against sexual content in anime will make the same retarded generalisations against it, and the people defending it will continue to completely miss the point made by those who aren't 100% in favour of it pervading every single second of every genre of anime. Fuck you all. |
MazAug 13, 2016 2:04 PM
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Cejara said: I honestly don't mind it. I prefer if the sexual content is used for an actual purpose other than fanservice (see Sundome manga for a mature way to deal with sexual content in a story). If I am watching sexual content in a fanservice anime like an ecchi that doesn't take it self seriously then it doesn't bother me that much either. As long as it can be done in a tasteful way it doesn't bother me. If its the accidental fall boob grab bullshit or the girl falls on the guys face with her crouch in his mouth that shit pisses me off and I will rate it lower. Agree with this some people take anime way too seriously. Cejara said: I honestly don't mind it. I prefer if the sexual content is used for an actual purpose other than fanservice (see Sundome manga for a mature way to deal with sexual content in a story). If I am watching sexual content in a fanservice anime like an ecchi that doesn't take it self seriously then it doesn't bother me that much either. As long as it can be done in a tasteful way it doesn't bother me. If its the accidental fall boob grab bullshit or the girl falls on the guys face with her crouch in his mouth that shit pisses me off and I will rate it lower. Totally agree people should not take ecchi serious. I don't think the boob fall cliche is that popular anymore |
Lestat- said: Why does there —ironically— exist a stigma on individuals who are not entertained by sexual content in anime (or in any other form of creation)? In the latter days and weeks, I have witnessed a great disdain toward people who show animosity or disfavour toward anime series that are inclined to involve sexual substance. I have found that the userbase finds it inconceivable that there exist individuals who are not entranced or roused by said affairs, and shows little to no regard toward those who concoct enough arguments to make themselves believable in their argument of disliking the matter. Either the person is said to plainly be lying, a quiet degenerate too nervous to express their true motives, or a child still underdeveloped and too young to grasp the concept. I have expressed myself in this way in a variety of these topics, however have unfortunately gotten overlooked (likely due to the cluttering of messages). Personally, I am a very non-sexual person; I bear absolutely no interest in the execution or witnessing of intercourse and anything related to the subject, and while I would not like to label myself, society would likely name me an asexual. I have come to wonder why there is so very little understanding in this phenomenon. I myself do understand that reproduction is a very natural occurrence and that the media-coverage on this item exists on all possible platforms and settings, it is simply something I would never participate in or desire to withold, and there are multitudes of others who share this sentiment, too. Yet there does not seem to exist a mutual understanding and this is quite upsetting. I would like to hear some voices on both sides; what is the argument of those who do not believe non-sexual people (or people who simply are not interested in this content in the media), and are there folks about who share this conviction? I do not think this is specifically related to anime. Sexuality is omnipresent and seen as one of the few things EVERY human has in common, so if someone doesn't there's the natural anxiety that people have toward anything different that they don't understand. Especially considering how nowadays sexuality has become one of THE primary tools for people to identify with, to base their identity on. Someone who mostly or completely stays out of that whole realm can easily freak people out on some level because he lacks something that people use to label people and even communicate with them, on a base level. Meeting someone with no interest in sexuality is like meeting someone who doesn't need nourishment to survive from their perspective. That's how basic sexuality is seen by a lot of people. Combine it with a lack of imagination and empathic ability and people will come up with the weirdest theories and presumptions to explain your behavior and preferences before they consider that sexuality is just factually much less important to you than to them. Personally I wouldn't call myself asexual in the strict sense that OP described, but I may as well fall somewhere on the spectrum based on the research I've done recently. It's complicated, but I certainly don't feel my sexuality is of any significance to my identity, to who I am. I don't have any interest in being sexually labeled, as hetero, gay, bi or anything else. I just don't care about the whole topic. Whatever the fuck you call that. From what it sounds like you, OP, are much further on the scale so I'm not sure if our experiences are similar, but I've definitely encountered people who have been baffled by me not seeing any appeal in ecchi and random tits and whatever because in their worldview it is THE prime interest of every male, period. But I don't think you need to be asexual to see how sheltered/conditioned/delusional those people are. A lot of sexual people would also disagree with them and be living proof that they're wrong. Lastly I have a couple of questions, because I'm curious and am still unclear regarding the details. 1. How much sexuality bothers you in say an anime? Is any amount too much? 2. Does it make the watching experience a lot worse or is it just that you couldn't care less about it and feel bored? 3. Do you still watch shows that have sex in it or do you drop them? 4. Does the execution and contest of the show matter or is it always similarly uncomfortable to watch? 5. Are you aromantic too or can you watch/enjoy/understand the non-sexual parts of romance? I can't really comment on whether or not I understand people ignoring or not taking your criticisms of a show very seriously as long as I don't know your stance on these questions. |
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| I’m kind of in between on this. Ecchi is almost always naked or nearly naked women, which as a straight woman does nothing for me. However, I don’t mind this is the right context, i.e. comedy. Now for female fanservice I don’t mind small amounts of it so long as it doesn’t interrupt the story. Male fanservice I do sometimes enjoy, again as a straight female, but I do still want my anime to still have a good story. I do definitely prefer anime with less sexual content though. I can totally understand someone no liking sexual content in anime, or really in any type of entertainment. I think it’s something that only works in certain types of shows. I’ve personally rated shows down because of this. |
CrustyRolls said: I'm not sure I'm smart/insightful enough to add anything to this thread, so I won't. I just wanted to mention that I love Lestat too, OP. You shouldn't worry about that, there are already dozens of asinine, ignorant, offensive comments on this thread anyways. In fact, they make up like half of it. |
Cakedog said: I find it laughable that people try to claim they're watching ecchi for anything other than what it was intended for. I don't mind hentai/yaoi/porn or whatever. At least it's being honest about what it's doing. If people enjoy ecchi more power to them. Just try not to be dishonest about why you consume that type of media. |
Cakedog said: Cakedog said: I find it laughable that people try to claim they're watching ecchi for anything other than what it was intended for. I don't mind hentai/yaoi/porn or whatever. At least it's being honest about what it's doing. If people enjoy ecchi more power to them. Just try not to be dishonest about why you consume that type of media. I think there are exceptions even in that case, though. See: Shokugeki no Souma, Monogatari, Kill la Kill, Hanasaku Iroha(?) |
TripleSRank said: I think there are exceptions even in that case, though. See: Shokugeki no Souma, Monogatari, Kill la Kill, Hanasaku Iroha(?) I'm going to assume they aren't focused around the concept of tingling the dingling. At that point, could we really describe them as "ecchi series"? I don't think so, because at that point they're just series with ecchi tacked on. I don't know much about those series and only a little bit about Food Wars. When it comes to something like Food Wars, apparently the sexual content seems to just be an afterthought tacked on for no real reason. In this case, inclusion of ecchi is a waste of time, effort and resources. Whether it's the fault of the source material, or the episode director(s) doesn't matter, because at the end of the day you get the same result: It's awkward and out of place. That is the reason many people criticize ecchi/sexual content. It's almost always out of place. There is a time and a place to tingle the dingle and that's in full on PORN/erotica. Edit: I don't know much about Food Wars, but I'm willing to bet that over time the ecchi was toned down because that's not what viewers wanted. |
CakedogAug 13, 2016 8:36 PM
Shoegum said: HELP ME PLEASE. I can't stop wanking excessively to my body pillow!!!!! My mind is just too degenerated by this garbage media that I'm consuming that I've devolved into a hormonal Neanderthal. :(((((( My child. If you seek salvation, there is hope for you. You must burn your dakimakura, waifu figures and Blu-Rays and give yourself to our lord, The Hero. You must watch Ping Pong on repeat until you are without the desire to see another pointlessly jiggling breast. You must become the man you were meant to be and spread the good word. Peco be with you. |
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| I dislike it when fanservice is forced in for the sake of it and meshes badly with the rest of the show. Note that nudity or sex =/= fanservice, I'm specifically referring about something being framed in a titillating manner. If fanservice works in favor of a series or at least doesn't work against it, then I'm cool with it. Kill la Kill, Monogatari and High School DxD are shows where I find the fanservice works in favor of it (and not all of what they show in KlK and Monogatari is framed to be fanservice). High School of the Dead is an example of trying to take itself too seriously with the tits ruining it. It should've either gone for full blown self aware over the top zombie gorefest with tits (which it did kinda end up being save for some pretense of darkness) or for a more serious zombie apocalypse adventure, not try to mix both. tl;dr fanservice has its use but it has to be used intelligently. |
TripleSRank said: Cakedog said: If people enjoy ecchi more power to them. Just try not to be dishonest about why you consume that type of media. I think there are exceptions even in that case, though. See: Shokugeki no Souma, Monogatari, Kill la Kill, Hanasaku Iroha(?) Like I said at my other posts.There are not "exceptions."Those kind of animes use ecchi/harem genre for adding a different spice to series.Like Shokugeki no Souma.Ahh puns...Main point is not satisfy your sexual feels but main point is food.They are using ecchi stuff as a helper.On the other hand let's look at High School of Dead.We have got all type of girls a braindead mc and simple setting.Does the plot extend?Does characters get character developments?Any twists? I still don't know how people can't understand the difference between main genre and sub-genre.It shouldn't be that hard. Cakedog said: Edit: I don't know much about Food Wars, but I'm willing to bet that over time the ecchi was toned down because that's not what viewers wanted. See this guy gets it. Toa_of_Gallifrey said: I dislike it when fanservice is forced in for the sake of it and meshes badly with the rest of the show. Note that nudity or sex =/= fanservice, I'm specifically referring about something being framed in a titillating manner. If fanservice works in favor of a series or at least doesn't work against it, then I'm cool with it. Kill la Kill, Monogatari and High School DxD are shows where I find the fanservice works in favor of it (and not all of what they show in KlK and Monogatari is framed to be fanservice). High School of the Dead is an example of trying to take itself too seriously with the tits ruining it. It should've either gone for full blown self aware over the top zombie gorefest with tits (which it did kinda end up being save for some pretense of darkness) or for a more serious zombie apocalypse adventure, not try to mix both. tl;dr fanservice has its use but it has to be used intelligently. This one too...Wow I am amazed.Intelligent human beings on MAL.That's new. |
Cakedog said: Cakedog said: I find it laughable that people try to claim they're watching ecchi for anything other than what it was intended for. I don't mind hentai/yaoi/porn or whatever. At least it's being honest about what it's doing. If people enjoy ecchi more power to them. Just try not to be dishonest about why you consume that type of media. That is generalization to be completely honest with you. Sure, some people watch ecchi purely for the bouncing titties. Though, did you think its possible that some of us consume ecchi because we enjoy consuming anime in general? I like watching anime no matter the genre and ecchi is anime. |
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Cakedog said: TripleSRank said: I think there are exceptions even in that case, though. See: Shokugeki no Souma, Monogatari, Kill la Kill, Hanasaku Iroha(?) I'm going to assume they aren't focused around the concept of tingling the dingling. At that point, could we really describe them as "ecchi series"? I don't think so, because at that point they're just series with ecchi tacked on. I don't know much about those series and only a little bit about Food Wars. When it comes to something like Food Wars, apparently the sexual content seems to just be an afterthought tacked on for no real reason. In this case, inclusion of ecchi is a waste of time, effort and resources. Whether it's the fault of the source material, or the episode director(s) doesn't matter, because at the end of the day you get the same result: It's awkward and out of place. That is the reason many people criticize ecchi/sexual content. It's almost always out of place. There is a time and a place to tingle the dingle and that's in full on PORN/erotica. Edit: I don't know much about Food Wars, but I'm willing to bet that over time the ecchi was toned down because that's not what viewers wanted. I've only personally watched the first two; I listed the latter by reputation, so I can't verify in their cases. I'd like to first point out that your quote was pretty open-ended, which is to say it didn't give me the impression that you were only talking about series focused on ecchi and ecchi alone, rather than shows that happen to include noteworthy amounts of or utilze ecchi without necessarily focusing on them. In Food Wars' case, the ecchi is neither the focus, nor is it out of place. (This is very much why I listed it first.) Rather, it's used for comedic purposes, and at least in my case it actually works. To spoil a small amount so as to illustrate, in the first episode an extortionist and her bodyguards vist Souma's restaurant. (As an aside, it's the most one-off, unattached episode in the series.) They're used to introduce the show's gimmick-- food reactions. When her bodyguards' clothing literally explodes off of them followed by her own, I (to my own surprise) found it hilarious. It doesn't settle for this one type of reaction either. Not all reactions even involve partial nudity even though it's a recurring type. In a later episode, for example, a rather ugly old lady is the recipent of the food reaction. It toys with the viewers expectations by subverting showing a mostly-naked old woman by showing a flashback with her and her lover of her youth, then eventually cueing back to reality to show her attempting to kiss Souma, very much to his displeasure. The pacing of the gags are good and varied, making the ecchi an actual asset even though the purpose is more to amuse than it is to arouse. Sure, you could make a similar series without the ecchi, but when I watched Yakikate!! Japan, for example, I didn't find myself laughing nearly as much at the reactions. So I don't think the usage of ecchi can be written off so easily. In Monogatari, I'd say the usage is more mixed. At times it works, at others it's unwanted. There's a scene in Nisemonogatari (which I've found to be the worst in terms of ecchi usage so far) where Araragi bathes with Shinobu, which was probably the best scene in that entire segment of the series. This is because the circumstances themselves show the viewer that Shinobu has accepted her dependency on Araragi despite her proud personality, and contextualizes her previous silence as bitterness she was getting over. Although she herself claims that she still will not forgive Araragi for the series of events that linked them, the scene implies this is mostly not the case, and this carries into all of their interactions after, particularly when Araragi is in need of her help. For other examples, ecchi was at one point used to show Senjougahara's utter lack of respect for herself, and in another it was used to show Araragi's sister's relative comfortability around him since he's not a sexual possibility. Neither case was particularly overt. Of course, as I mentioned before there are times when it goes too far without really adding anything to the story. Take the rather bizzare toothbrush scene-- to this day I'm not sure if it was meant more to arouse or to amuse-- it came more off as being creepy than anything in my experience. Most of Mayoi's ecchi-related scenes are obnoxious as well. Even so, I don't think its usage can be completely written off in Monogatari. Thus, in the end, even though I can agree with you if we're specifically talking about ecchi-focused series, I can't agree with the broader sweeping generalization you seem to be making. sasalx said: TripleSRank said: I think there are exceptions even in that case, though. See: Shokugeki no Souma, Monogatari, Kill la Kill, Hanasaku Iroha(?) Like I said at my other posts.There are not "exceptions."Those kind of animes use ecchi/harem genre for adding a different spice to series.Like Shokugeki no Souma.Ahh puns...Main point is not satisfy your sexual feels but main point is food.They are using ecchi stuff as a helper.On the other hand let's look at High School of Dead.We have got all type of girls a braindead mc and simple setting.Does the plot extend?Does characters get character developments?Any twists? I still don't know how people can't understand the difference between main genre and sub-genre.It shouldn't be that hard. I know exactly what I'm saying, and I know the difference between a primary genre and a sub-genre. My point is that the first two series I mentioned make usage of a noteworthy amount of ecchi even though ecchi is not the "point", and that ecchi can and does add to their respective series to differing degrees. 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TripleSRankAug 13, 2016 10:37 PM
Let's use this series as an example. Here I've pulled 3 screenshots from the series at random from Google search. I don't know the context of these 3 shots but they are clearly reactions of some sort. So I just wonder, what's the point? Why the choice of scantily clad? Some say, "why not?" I say, "why bother?" Now personally I look at these and I don't see humor. I'm guessing the main element of the humor in these cases is, being overwhelmed? Because if the humor is their clothing spontaneously combusting during their moment then I guess some might find that amusing. Let's assume it's not out of place and intentional. Well then obviously to some people it's a waste of time because it doesn't amuse them. Some are going to get a laugh out of it. Some will just see mini-filler. And fall flat for others. Something like Yakitate!! Japan I can enjoy. I can get behind their reactions and mentally invest in the characters. I like the fact that when they do use recurring gags, they become more and more complex. A few of the reactions are unforgettable. Maybe some people will be bored to tears by it, could argue why, and that's fine. Maybe some people just want to see clothes explode, considering the context, and that's fine. |
Cakedog said: Let's use this series as an example. Here I've pulled 3 screenshots from the series at random from Google search. I don't know the context of these 3 shots but they are clearly reactions of some sort. So I just wonder, what's the point? Why the choice of scantily clad? Some say, "why not?" I say, "why bother?" Now personally I look at these and I don't see humor. I'm guessing the main element of the humor in these cases is, being overwhelmed? Because if the humor is their clothing spontaneously combusting during their moment then I guess some might find that amusing. Let's assume it's not out of place and intentional. Well then obviously to some people it's a waste of time because it doesn't amuse them. Some are going to get a laugh out of it. Some will just see mini-filler. And fall flat for others. Something like Yakitate!! Japan I can enjoy. I can get behind their reactions and mentally invest in the characters. I like the fact that when they do use recurring gags, they become more and more complex. A few of the reactions are unforgettable. Maybe some people will be bored to tears by it, could argue why, and that's fine. Maybe some people just want to see clothes explode, considering the context, and that's fine. Well that's part of the problem. The humor doesn't work out of context. I had very similar assumptions as yours before actually giving the show a chance (after a boatload of people talked me into it). Out of context, absolutely, why bother, but why bother with anything when you're going to strip away everything significant tied to it? How does your dramatic finale have impact without its buildup? How does the punchline make you laugh when you've skipped the joke? And what's worse, you've half ruined the specific experiences because you already know what will happen. The first image was not a particularly good punchline for me because I was aware of it prior to watching the anime via a review of the show someone linked. It was somewhat amusing in the review. In the show itself I didn't think it was particularly good, but I can't say for certain because I knew what would happen beforehand. The second image, I do not recall the context of. The last was part of the first episode I mentioned: it was predicated by an increasingly absurd description of food euphoria and the bursting of her extremely buff (male) bodyguards' clothes, which forced me to stop taking the scene even remotely seriously and enjoy it for what it was, which was legitimately amusing. Of course, this was all because I actually tried it instead of continuing to take my previous closed-minded approach-- and it was closed minded-- just like my apprehension to many other genres and types of stories prior. I find it very disappointing that you chose this method of evaluation, to be honest. I'm certain there are plenty who do not find Souma to be a humorous or engaging series (we haven't even talked about the non-gag parts, of course), and you may have been one of them, but to write it off before giving it a chance is just depressingly closed minded. It bothers me particularly because that's exactly how I was, and for all I know I still am in some area I haven't yet discovered. Conceptually it's really no different than those who write off Cowboy Bebop because of what it might appear to be prior to watching that first (or fifth) episode. |
TripleSRankAug 13, 2016 11:40 PM
BRB-kun said: I'm pretty sure the ecchifags are the ones looked down on. Very true... OP sits in his ivory tower and still demands more blood....it's pretty gruesome. |
| I personally am not turned on by anime and most hentai, yuri, yaoi and so on have retarded plots and shitty animation, so i find no appeal, however i understand that some people are aroused by that kind of shit so i don't mind it, as long as they are not hurting anyone i don't give a fuck what they watch. The only ecchi show i have tried to watch is Highschool DxD and it was boring as shit, as i said animation is not arousing to me for the most part, so all the fan service prevented me from taking the anime seriously. |
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| Pretty certain that all people have different perspectives on "normality", and thus when they find a person that doesn't fit that norm, they think of it as an absurdity and unable to believe such a thing. AKA they project their ideals/tastes/wutevs to other people, because b-bakana people can't have different thoughts than I do! AKA this is what I think, therefore others should think like this as well! aka reductio ad absurdum however you want your eggs cooked |
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| Wait there is a stigma? Look either you are a Baka Pervert or you are gay - Dylan Omer Thats how the world works |
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| Personal position statement: I am a heterosexual male, and I enjoy ecchi a lot. I control my sexuality - I do not rape women, I can see the actual genre of a fanservice-heavy anime and so on. I do know there are other kinds of people in this world - female, homosexual, asexual or whatever. It is normal that they don't enjoy ecchi. Answer to the question: There is nothing personally wrong with you and people who are like you. You just got hit in the crossfire of a large(ish) conflict. On one hand, many men, like me, do enjoy sexy stuff - from random pantyshots to whole storylines about teenage miko protecting the world from rapacious tentacle monsters. Things on our side mostly amount to "privilege" - there is a tradition of making this stuff in anime, and collectively, we wield enough economic power to support it. On the other hand, a lot of people, for innumerable reasons, want to prevent our access to sexy stuff. Things on their side mostly amount to "moral high ground" - it's easy to conjure arguments for their point of view. Note that arguments cannot easily win over instincts that form the first group's basis. Just like you can't argue with a conspiracy theorist. Yes, most of us humans are crazy - that's how we survive. And it's not like the first side doesn't have arguments. The first and foremost of them is freedom. This conflict breeds a lot of hatred. In case it is not obvious, I'm on the first side. Answers to other posters: Cakedog said: If people enjoy ecchi more power to them. Just try not to be dishonest about why you consume that type of media. One of the things that I hate about the anti-ecchi crowd is their lack of control over their sexuality. They can't understand that shows like Strike Witches or Dog Days or Highschool of the Dead aren't only liked for their sexual fanservice. They see some panties, or some boobs jiggling - and they turn into mindless idiots who are unable to see anything else. @sasalx yes, HotD has good points that aren't fanservice. In fact, I didn't watch it for fanservice (the boobs are too big for my taste), I watched it as a anime-style zombie apocalypse. Danger, drama, ordinary people getting to shine, schoolgirls slaying zombies with a wooden katana... Ryuuzahar said: Ever heard of people who is interested on sexual activities but stop themselves to look at sexual-oriented media? Yes, they are called prudes, and they are crazy. Konte said: Who the fuck likes fanservice??? It's fruity tits and ass everywhere....Gena the Crocodile has better story and characters than these ecchi cartoons....ya'll virgins with your tidies cartoons...get a grip, watch some Twilight for Brian's sake...Kids these days are weird...like perimetrically weird...end of the post Oh really? I have seen that cartoon, and I can tell you that Strike Witches wouldn't lose to it in terms of story and characters. (I have intentionally picked a show with similar themes) Tarotist said: I wonder how life would be if sex drives and perversion were non-existent... By the time we would have reached sapience, we would've been taken over by hyper-advanced aliens. Sexual reproduction is just so much better than splitting into two at evolving! EcchiLordMamster said: and as a straight male for example, am i supposed to believe that another straight male is "turned off" because a pair of tits was shoved in their face? that really sounds bogus. im not saying every straight male likes titties or ass, but in general, the idea that sexual body parts are ever a "turn off" sounds fake There are situations where fanservice is out of place and not appreciated - for example, see schoolgirls eaten by zombies in the first episodes of HotD. They don't happen often, because the authors know what they're doing (in HotD, it did work well for horror). But the anti-ecchi crowd seems to think that any ecchi episode is like that! >_< Onaiwa said: Oh, jeez. Here we go. Now I have to flip the "elitist" switch and explain to you how silly you sound. Your mentioning the subjectivity of my opinion in an attempt to discredit it is juvenile, at best, considering this is a thread about opinions. If you honestly believe any of these trash flavor of the season waifu shows have a worthwhile story, you're part of the problem with this community. Demand more from your series. Respect yourself. "Great ecchi" genuinely made me laugh out loud. I honestly can't figure out a way to respond to this without insulting you and everyone like you. It's like the last decade has birthed some weird breed of anime fan. A stereotypical, underdeveloped subhuman with limited social interaction and a passion for candy-colored, one-dimensional waifus to project onto. People who would rather watch softcore porn than a story with an engaging plot, emotion, characterization or anything else found in well-received media. Every interaction with someone like you lessens my love of anime, a bit more. No, you are the problem with the community. You elitist scum. You don't respect yourself enough to actually enjoy anime. You just deny your desires, trying to fulfill elitist ideal. Come to the dark side. We have boobies. |
flannanAug 14, 2016 4:24 AM
flannan said: EcchiLordMamster said: and as a straight male for example, am i supposed to believe that another straight male is "turned off" because a pair of tits was shoved in their face? that really sounds bogus. im not saying every straight male likes titties or ass, but in general, the idea that sexual body parts are ever a "turn off" sounds fake There are situations where fanservice is out of place and not appreciated - for example, see schoolgirls eaten by zombies in the first episodes of HotD. They don't happen often, because the authors know what they're doing (in HotD, it did work well for horror). But the anti-ecchi crowd seems to think that any ecchi episode is like that! >_< some people are into that stuff.... to some people thats actually hot. and yeah they definitely like to exaggerate the amount of ecchi in many shows the mix of sexy and scary in hotd was the whole point and what was what made hotd so unique, its just a shame so many people want to "take it seriously".... as if just because people die, theres gore, etc means a show is supposed to be serious...... so dumb..... if you want a serious zombie show, fucking watch AoT or something.... |
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Cakedog said: TripleSRank said: I find it very disappointing that you chose this method of evaluation, to be honest. I'm certain there are plenty who do not find Souma to be a humorous or engaging series (we haven't even talked about the non-gag parts, of course), and you may have been one of them, but to write it off before giving it a chance is just depressingly closed minded. It bothers me particularly because that's exactly how I was, and for all I know I still am in some area I haven't yet discovered. Conceptually it's really no different than those who write off Cowboy Bebop because of what it might appear to be prior to watching that first (or fifth) episode. AFAIK we haven't discovered human immortality yet. So there's a time limit. It could be anything. Maybe someone hates "classical music" and will avoid any series that revolve around piano, violin, etc. In fact, some people hate anime. I have no interest in seeing "ecchi". There are thousands of other things I could be doing besides judging whether or not I value a show that includes things I don't enjoy. It could even be a masterpiece. That's fine, I'll find a masterpiece elsewhere. "You're not seeing the big picture", they'll chide. "I'm not seeing that picture", I'll reply. The whole point of this thread was to find out why people get criticized for having no interest in sexual content, and maybe vice versa. They get called closed minded or ignorant. Really now. ;-z I find it interesting that you decided to talk about my frustration to the neglect of my main point. The goalposts have been moved. My thoughts on this topic were already expressed above; what caused me to initiate this conversation with you was this quote: Cakedog said: Cakedog said: I find it laughable that people try to claim they're watching ecchi for anything other than what it was intended for. I don't mind hentai/yaoi/porn or whatever. At least it's being honest about what it's doing. If people enjoy ecchi more power to them. Just try not to be dishonest about why you consume that type of media. Maybe where I'm coming from is making more sense now? If you don't mind being closed-minded and would rather go with your nonindicative assumptions, more power to you. But you clearly aren't just talking about yourself here. You're extrapolating your assumptions to make a large and very untrue generalization. Or if you're insisting I wouldn't enjoy Food Wars if I wasn't a guy, that I really am watching it for arousal despite my telling you that that's not the case, I could reference some women on MAL who enjoy the series, and I sincerely doubt any of them are going to tell you it's for the naked Major Armstrong-like men (let alone the women) that show up in some gags. There's babymimi, tingy, tomoedachi, Gallimaufry, Mayuka, Roth, kouhsaka... Need I continue? That's just amongst the small number of people I'm fairly familiar with. My point is that there are exceptions-- ecchi can be used meaningfully, without those consuming it doing so for arousal-- even if the examples of such still wouldn't appeal to you personally. In other words, your initial post has nothing to do with why people are criticized for disliking sexual content. It's just one big generalization about those who consume series with sexual content in it. I responded to what you were actually saying. Again, I'm really surprised to see this coming from you, of all people. Edit: Wording |
TripleSRankAug 16, 2016 2:47 PM
Pullman said: I do not think this is specifically related to anime. Sexuality is omnipresent and seen as one of the few things EVERY human has in common, so if someone doesn't there's the natural anxiety that people have toward anything different that they don't understand. Especially considering how nowadays sexuality has become one of THE primary tools for people to identify with, to base their identity on. Someone who mostly or completely stays out of that whole realm can easily freak people out on some level because he lacks something that people use to label people and even communicate with them, on a base level. Meeting someone with no interest in sexuality is like meeting someone who doesn't need nourishment to survive from their perspective. That's how basic sexuality is seen by a lot of people. Combine it with a lack of imagination and empathic ability and people will come up with the weirdest theories and presumptions to explain your behavior and preferences before they consider that sexuality is just factually much less important to you than to them. Personally I wouldn't call myself asexual in the strict sense that OP described, but I may as well fall somewhere on the spectrum based on the research I've done recently. It's complicated, but I certainly don't feel my sexuality is of any significance to my identity, to who I am. I don't have any interest in being sexually labeled, as hetero, gay, bi or anything else. I just don't care about the whole topic. Whatever the fuck you call that. From what it sounds like you, OP, are much further on the scale so I'm not sure if our experiences are similar, but I've definitely encountered people who have been baffled by me not seeing any appeal in ecchi and random tits and whatever because in their worldview it is THE prime interest of every male, period. But I don't think you need to be asexual to see how sheltered/conditioned/delusional those people are. A lot of sexual people would also disagree with them and be living proof that they're wrong. Lastly I have a couple of questions, because I'm curious and am still unclear regarding the details. 1. How much sexuality bothers you in say an anime? Is any amount too much? 2. Does it make the watching experience a lot worse or is it just that you couldn't care less about it and feel bored? 3. Do you still watch shows that have sex in it or do you drop them? 4. Does the execution and contest of the show matter or is it always similarly uncomfortable to watch? 5. Are you aromantic too or can you watch/enjoy/understand the non-sexual parts of romance? I can't really comment on whether or not I understand people ignoring or not taking your criticisms of a show very seriously as long as I don't know your stance on these questions. 01 - I can bear a sparse amount of fornication in anime. As you can see, a title such as Berserk has made it in my favourite series while it undoubtedly contains immoral scenes (for example; the violation of Casca is not exactly a minor occurrence in the anime) that someone who would make it their objective to thoroughly avoid any said themes would not desire to witness. Another —being Code Geass— also embodies certain questionable character-designs and the like, however the extent of the enactment of the story line camouflages this skillfully. 02 - It depends on the execution. There are series where —when presented in excessive margin— the experience becomes uncomfortable for me (an example; a friend forced me through both Sekaiichi Hatsukoi and Junjou Romantica). And then there are series where the display of sexual or warped settings simply do not influence me, as I cannot relate to the matter in the slightest. Leading Berserk in another example; compare it to the anime previously mentioned in this thread (Highschool Of The Dead, which I moreover have not seen, but obviously am aware of) and you understand my sentiment. While forcible depredation is of course a much more violent ordeal, it disturbs me less than an abundance of billowing breasts and curt outfits almost literally being propelled in my face. When an episode is dealing with sexual content in a feasibly cultivated manner (this meaning that the written situation is thought over considerably, and contested to a somewhat mature level without it merely being there to appeal to the eye of those who it does appeal to), then I can deal with it. 03 - If I am aware of the materialization of sexual settings in an anime beforehand, I will likely avoid them entirely. It happens that these incidents occur without having the knowledge of it in advance, but again; it depends entirely on the general context of the series as a whole. More often than not is it quite straightforward whether or not an anime will contain such content, but slip-ups do happen occasionally. 04 - This question has been answered in the previous three answers, I suppose. Again, there are different ranges the matter extends to, and I would be more agreeable with a series where a sexual circumstance takes place after a considerable amount of events have happened to lead up toward this situation (in a progressing and culminated way). 05 - As a high-functioning autist, I believe my condition has its own say in this. I am a twenty-three year old straight woman who has never experienced romantic love despite having waltzed through a number of relationships, I can almost say with a certainty that I am aromantic, as well. The emotion frankly does not present itself to me and it does not necessarily stifle me any further as it seems my wallflower-nature will not instinctively embrace anything of the sort. There are of course men who appeal to me both intelligence-wise and visually, but I might view someone's beauty differently. The attraction does still occur (which is also why I am able to say I am straight), but I do not carnally respond to this. Amusingly, I can enjoy anime such as Free! without feeling influenced whatsoever. I have heard many claims that a title such as this one is packed with homosexual fanservice, however I cannot grasp the gist of statements such as those. To me, it is entirely natural that swimmers perform in only a short, and I do not appeal to the disdain. The characters in question display no romantic interest in one another, and merely communicate with one another as tight company. If we were to go by the allegation that this is homoerotic, then supposedly all boys or men friendly with one another must be so. (Which is of course an inane and untrue statement.) Furthermore, I believe myself to be quite old-fashioned, in a sense. To me, sex remains a taboo that should remain in a couple's personal matters. The magnitude with which it has launched itself within the media is disturbing to me. I cannot stroll through the mall without being bombarded with advertisements freely announcing sales on protection, intimate lingerie and sexually stimulating devices. Modern music, television and advertising are brimming with obscene and lewd content, and there is little escape possible. I find that the media holds little regard for those who still wish to maintain their privacy and desire not to stick their noses in the business of others, and it even goes as far as children becoming aware of the phenomenon at a pre-mature age. Barely a day goes by where I do not hear the children in my neighbourhood making sexual remarks and annotations not only among themselves, but also toward unrelated passersby as if it were a completely normal thing to say. I am aware that I am in the vast minority, but it is difficult not to occasionally raise my voice about this. |
Lestat-Aug 14, 2016 10:05 AM
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| because theres only so many anime shows about teenage girls panties you can watch before turning into a weeaboo degenerate it is natural evolution and to cast away all attachment to 3d girls is basically a rite of passage that filthy casuals will never understand |
Ryuuzahar said: @flannan No. I'm not talking about them. Example: A husband won't be shock @ the nudity of his wife (hence interested in sex) but he avoids pornographic images of other women (hence the media). Now, this is not prudishness, but it's still crazy. His wife must be a super-jealous yandere. MightySheep said: because theres only so many anime shows about teenage girls panties you can watch before turning into a weeaboo degenerate There is only so many anime shows about teenage girls panties in the first place. I recommend Chu-bra, and I've heard about Colorful, but I'm yet to see it. There is a whole lot more anime that contain teenage girls panties (I recommend Strike Witches, and don't recommend Najika Blitz Tactics), but they aren't really about them. |
| Good story should overshadow any fanservice. Unless you're watching To Love Ru or something. Therefore, the problem is when violence and sexual content overshadow the story. Whenever it's brought on MAL it's either "ecchi killed anime" or "Don't you dare disgrace the name of Ecchi you halfwit ELITST". They are always overexcessively passionate about topics Lisbon? Kagami? I recommend inviting HaXXspetten and reborna, we could have an Ecchi defense party. |
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| Ironic that Lestat is saying this hehe Anyway, I think most of the "stigma" goes in the other direction, but as people think two wrongs make a right, some take upon themselves to "stigmatize" the other side (using "elitist" as an umbrella term). I don't think there's much on the way of actual thought, on those kinds of threads. Just shitposting. |
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| It's usually a response to ecchi haters when they get really mad about High school DxD or some shit. There are a few people who are convinced anyone who doesn't absolutely love fan service is gay, but this stigma isn't common. |
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