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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- Cover and synopsis are on baka-tsuki, release date is August 10.  Three days have passed since Kamisato Kakeru disappeared. Kamijou has moved onto the next battle, but there he finds Tokiwadai Middle School (Heaven) filled with Shokuhou Misaki, Misaka Mikoto, and other ojou-samas in swimsuits? It is winter. It is December in Academy City, and yet the temperature is above 50 degrees. As the unexplained heat wave brings Academy City's infrastructure to a halt, an unpredictable threat arrives. Element. They are bizarre monsters that crawl through the scorching hell. They prefer darkness and violently attack student after student during Academy City's blackout. With the only right hand that can oppose them, Kamijou gets help from Fukiyose and Index to reach the scene of the battle, but he is outnumbered. And in that crisis, a girl surrounded by a bizarre machine known as the Anti-Art Attachment appears? As Shokuhou Misaki leads the ojou-sama school's full student body, Kamijou approaches the identity of the mastermind behind the heat wave and Element! I wonder if a certain #1 Level 5 can somehow be important in an ojou-sama arc. |
toblynarutoAug 3, 2016 2:34 AM
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| For some reason always thought that there's no section for novels so made myself left out. The characters popularity really afflicting this series and for quite a long time, not that i'm against it :) As for the synopsis interesting if the story with AAA and Mikoto will progress instantly, thought there would be some pause, well it might be bait. Little offtopic, always thought about the power of level 6 (well it's obvious), but in a way to compare with Magic Gods, can they affect phases or rather not be affected by phases changing. And with AAA Mikoto's "power-up" how is it in comparison to her 5.3 state. Those are the main questions in the lots that probably wouldn't be answered. Well with the new volume we'll get some answers about AAA so as always waiting. |
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| The end of the volume... Congratulations with the end of this volume Kamachi, you sure found the way to pointlessly extend an already pointless arc; way to go! Not even to mention it was completely ridiculous, but that doesn't come as a surprise. 3,5/10, and I'm being generous. |
| "Even now, I travel on my journey, Believing in the world, Aiming for something far away – an endless journey. Having a dream like someone else’s, Or being in someone else’s dream – Which would you prefer?" |
| Hmm that was one hell of a volume. I have some mixed thoughts about Kamisato Kakeru but found some of this actions in the last few chapters of the volume to be memorable. Wish the final battle lasted longer though but I think the buildup to it was decent overall. The first half of this volume also made me laugh quite a bit thanks to Misaka Mikoto and the Touma interactions (+ Misaki of course). |
Stark700Aug 20, 2016 9:48 PM
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| After finishing it and thinking it over a bit, I think I actually quite liked this volume. I couldn't stop reading during the 4th chapter. It's too bad about Kamisato; I actually liked him. It looks like Touma and co will go save him next volume. Perhaps it's time for Touma to gain a new harem member. |
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| So Kamisato will be joining the harem next ? |
DerMond said: The end of the volume... Congratulations with the end of this volume Kamachi, you sure found the way to pointlessly extend an already pointless arc; way to go! Not even to mention it was completely ridiculous, but that doesn't come as a surprise. 3,5/10, and I'm being generous. As a big fan of this series (the simple fact is that it's the only novel i'm reading) have to say that was not what i was expecting whatsoever and sadly not in a good way. I liked the previous volume cause of the Mikoto's character develpoment and so the first half of the vol. 16 i thought was good or okay (i might be biased again for obvious reasons) and kinda didn't give question much Elements, but after going further and further i got the feeling that i'm more and more distant from the story. And as i divided the volume in two, i think the two parts don't have any connection point, they were just tied together by force. And i think a lot of people don't like the turn that Kamachi-sensei used known as Kamisato, don't think i was that against it, but now i think i should be and the twist known as Kamisato was really unnecessary. Imagining how it would be without him the first thing comes to mind the God's Right Seat arc but with true Gremlin members, well that's what my simple mind can come up with, but yeah we'll never know. I'll give it my very generous 5.5/10 (i'm always generous and now too generous =/), but as i'm waiting for the next one really don't know where this is going and concerned about a lot of stuff. |
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aostri said: i think that Kamisato works pretty well as a plot filler. Misaka's plot line stopping midway through the book seems a bit annoying, however in order for her to properly move to the dark side she needs to be recruited by Aliester and that requires a time gap and a reason for Aliester to need her, both of which Kamisato kindly provides. It would have been nice if there was a mention of accelerator though. It was only 3 volumes about Kamisato, but feels like he had such a big role so i don't know if i can see him as a plot filler. Well that must be because those were obviously the last 3 books. Plus with the famous Touma's phrase there's a chance that Kamisato can be relevant in the future which i don't know how to react right now (the next volume might give some hints or just the answer). About Misaka, interesting that you think that she will help Aleister with the plan, had this thought myself, but if i remember correctly Aleister said that Misaka and Kamisato are both hindrances for his plan. Plus i don't think that Misaka turn to the dark side, might be similar scenario as with her 5.3 state. And + for Accel to appear, interesting what are his thoughts overall and how he will react to upcoming events. |
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aostri said: As for Aliester declaring her to be an obstacle, in the last volume it really did throw me off, but looking at the events of the current volume, i think the purpose of that might have actually been to have Yuitsu damage and antagonize her so that he could then draw her in by offering her his support. Interesting idea, but i really thought that Aleister didn't expect Misaka to find A.A.A. and use it differently. Not that it will really bother him, just another small correction to plan. aostri said: Could you please remind me what does the 5.3 state refers to? That's from Railgun manga, there was another level 6 experiment, won't spoil if you didn't read it. aostri said: About Accelerator, shouldn't he be in a really bad way right now because of the electricity outage? I don't think that it should affect it so much, i meant it more globally. There was quite a lot of stuff happening in AC, like High Priest rampaged through couple of districts, and simply this Elements and heat situation. Well i think this is mostly how Kamachi-sensei is writing things, kinda hard to use all the relevant characters even as a small mention. And i don't really saw it as the problem for this volume, just small part him talking about the AC situation and plans could've been interesting. |
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aostri said: allenjke said: Interesting idea, but i really thought that Aleister didn't expect Misaka to find A.A.A. and use it differently. Not that it will really bother him, just another small correction to plan. Considering his conversation with Kihara Yitsu at the end of the previous volume and her essentially going out of control in this one, shouldn't his plan require a total overhaul rather than small corrections at this point? I thought that the only thing that Aleister didn't expect was Kamisato's appearance, all other things should've been the part of his big plan and he allowed Yuuitsu to do what she want if she can take out Misaka or Kamisato. And about his plan, interesting that with so many volumes we didn't have even a slghtest hint what it is. It should be something with Aiwass, at least i hope there would be a word soon about it/him/her. And again and again the questions like IT and dragons, what is Laura plagging all those times, Aleister and Magic Gods (and are they really done) and even if there is One True God. aostri said: allenjke said: That's from Railgun manga, there was another level 6 experiment, won't spoil if you didn't read it. i don't really mind spoilers but i guess there might be other people reading this thread as well. And as the Railgun events weren't confirmed as canon and probably won't ever be there are so many hints in the novel that i think it really should be. What i meant previously that this outcome could be really similar with how it might go with the Misaka's A.A.A development. aostri said: allenjke said: I don't think that it should affect it so much, i meant it more globally. There was quite a lot of stuff happening in AC, like High Priest rampaged through couple of districts, and simply this Elements and heat situation. Well i think this is mostly how Kamachi-sensei is writing things, kinda hard to use all the relevant characters even as a small mention. And i don't really saw it as the problem for this volume, just small part him talking about the AC situation and plans could've been interesting. Since he was not directly involved with the High Priest he probably doesn't see it as anything more than just another Tuesday. i think it would have been reasonable if he made a short appearance during the attack on the crystal tower though. I meant that some of the characters could react on some events and not minor ones, and i see the High Priest destruction of AC as a quite big or influental one, well with the elements also. And as i said i think that it was throughout the whole series that some characters drop out from time to time because the univers has so many characters. Pretty sure that all of the series with lots of characters are suffering because of that and having even much worse times. |
allenjkeOct 19, 2016 3:39 PM
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| @aostri About One True God it was obviosly random speculation after the showing how "weak" Magic Gods are. About Aleister's plan, yes i remember him saying that but always had the thought it is that "simple" and still want to know something how his past led him to the plan (i believe it was the talk with HP about his daughter). For Aiwass and the HP's comments i think it's rather opposite, HP was mistaken or he couldn't see something in Aiwass, kinda similar situation where MG tried attacking AC and he "easily" weakened them there. "What do you think you're looking at, you bitch? Do you want me to curse you to death right this instant?" - again just my guess, but i really thought that it was Aiwass in the end of vol.15. The last talk for Aleister and Noukan while i was reading it was pretty sure that both of them expected his defeat. Don't know whether Yuuitsu went out of control, but again can only think that it doesn't bother Aleister much. Misaka upgrade - that's pretty much sums up that level 6 experiment, more or less, and probably never gonna happen because she found A.A.A. Remembered that there is the main conciousness for sisters, maybe we'll see Will again - wishful thinking. |
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| @aostri Well sorry for spoilers and that's why i warned you =/ Little offtopic, always thought about the power of level 6 (well it's obvious), but in a way to compare with Magic Gods, can they affect phases or rather not be affected by phases changing. And with AAA Mikoto's "power-up" how is it in comparison to her 5.3 state. - quoted my first comment, pretty sure that's not only me who is that interested in level 6 (the whole AC =/). The same or similar thing to Accel while he getting wings Mikoto gets a halo, it should be like science-angel power. When i was reading new chapter with Mikoto changing i was really amazed, she tried attacking windowless building with a giant electric beam (obv the building survives) and it was so cool and flashy (no pun intended), and it was only 2% to the path for level 6. aostri said: Aliester at end of vol.15 - dunno, i think the simpler interpretation that it was aimed at Laura makes more thematic sense, since she seems to be somewhat of his arch-nemesis, now that he moved into the open it would be appropriate to give an indication that she'll be moving into high gear as well. I assume that was the answer for allenjke said: If yes i see it as you're saying that it was Laura's words or i just didn't understand what you mean. My guess that it was Aiwass because there was only one person/being that was talking in that manner (and if i remember correctly it was the same - Aiwass to Aleister).For Aiwass and the HP's comments i think it's rather opposite, HP was mistaken or he couldn't see something in Aiwass, kinda similar situation where MG tried attacking AC and he "easily" weakened them there. "What do you think you're looking at, you bitch? Do you want me to curse you to death right this instant?" - again just my guess, but i really thought that it was Aiwass in the end of vol.15. |
allenjkeOct 22, 2016 3:27 AM
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aostri said: quote from vol 15: The Board Chairman narrowed his eyes a little and then looked up at the night sky. And as he looked up, he spoke. “What do you think you’re looking at, you bitch? Do you want me to curse you to death right this instant?” “Hm.” Laura Stuart spoke to herself on the other side of the globe. “That confirms it.” Oh that was totally my bad, i probably missed this line completely "And as he looked up, he spoke." And i'm pretty surprised then that Aleister is talking like that, doesn't feel like it's his way of speech and that's what confused me. Well then even more interested what Laura can add to the picture. |
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aostri said: (on a nitpicking note it should actually be 5.5 state as it was referenced as 53% while level 6 was referenced as 100%). 5.3 was the third state and i assume that's around 30% or mb it's lower cause when she was attacking the windowless building she was already mid 5.1 to 5.2 state and Gensei said that it was around 3% of level 6 power. 53% is the theoretical number before her mind would transform into something from a different dimension and 100% would destroy her body and pretty sure she wasn't even close to 53% when Touma interfered. Level 6 espers shouldn't be able to manipulate phases as the esper powers developed by the power development system are essentially based on the scientific theory of the universe which from a magic gods point of view should be just another phase. Well that might be true as a MG's view i would've said, but considering how easily they were destroyed i don't think it is that easy. And that's after witnessing how strong Othinus was, i thought that her phases changing power was too OP. And my guess about not being affected by phases was because the power-ups for Accel (wings) and Misaka (halo) are clearly not science-related and i think that's the point where science and magic are mixing or it's just a completely new category of power. Well as always there are so many questions and can only say that new volume might give some answers or at least hints. |
allenjkeOct 23, 2016 9:09 AM
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| Thanks for you too, will gladly talk to you about vol.17 (obv if you want =/) |
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| So does Touma actually get with anyone? I've only seen the anime so I always wondered who he would end up with. |
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Major123 said: So does Touma actually get with anyone? I've only seen the anime so I always wondered who he would end up with. I think the LN is not even close to the end, at the very least it will be 5+ more volumes. As much as i want it to happen, i highly doubt it will. |
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| Kihara Yuuitsu's a good villain if I may say so myself. Also, I expect beautiful things to come out of the character arc that Misaka is going through now. |
| Well, that was a good read until those last 2 ch I mean who wanted to see more of kamisato or his fraction. Well, Touma and his classmates really had it bad I mean in that scorching heat, from roof to roof endangering their lives well I can say that they really had it bad, unlike tokiwadai school. Btw, that scene with Fukiyose was really erotic I really want to see it animated. Well, once again I really felt so bad for Misaki I mean her relationship with Touma looks more stable than that of Misaka but alas I just hope that he'll remember her one day. And again with Kamisato and Kihara just let both of them ded. I really really hope that Kamisato has gone for the good because I really don't want to see him again. |
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