TheBrainintheJar said: I promote freedom of choice, not suicide itself. That's a common misconception. I never said that you promote suicide itself. It is not necessary to want something in itself to promote it. |
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I don't manipulate people. But I can manipulate pizza...with my mind. |
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mochakawaiibear said: Will-O-Wisp said: You seem to be projecting the way you live into othersThis is the stupidest question I've ever heard. No one minds manipulating and using people to no end for personal gain. Anyone that says otherwise is straight up lying. @Will-O-Wisp YOU JUST GOT FUCKING OWNED |
| I do it all the time to gain advantage. Did it in school to get teachers to love me, did it to get moderator on xat forums back in 08 and I do it to further myself in society. I'm not a bad guy, just fake at times. |
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Will-O-Wisp said: They could feel guilty for it thoughThis is the stupidest question I've ever heard. No one minds manipulating and using people to no end for personal gain. Anyone that says otherwise is straight up lying. |
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MobPsycho1OO said: Human emotions revolve around using others for personal benefit. We do it, and we don't even notice it. ^This. I pretend to be nice because it gets me what I want, I spend a lot of time planning out my interactions to get the maximum benefit from them, maybe I'm just conscious of it than others, but I'm skeptical of anyone who says they don't do this on some capacity. This doesn't mean using people and then discarding them and it doesn't mean they're worse off at the end. More often then not, helping people gets you much further than using them maliciously. |
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Tourist said: TheBrainintheJar said: I promote freedom of choice, not suicide itself. That's a common misconception. I never said that you promote suicide itself. It is not necessary to want something in itself to promote it. What do you mean? Do you mean that I promote it as a side-effect? merryfistmas said: MobPsycho1OO said: Human emotions revolve around using others for personal benefit. We do it, and we don't even notice it. ^This. I pretend to be nice because it gets me what I want, I spend a lot of time planning out my interactions to get the maximum benefit from them, maybe I'm just conscious of it than others, but I'm skeptical of anyone who says they don't do this on some capacity. This doesn't mean using people and then discarding them and it doesn't mean they're worse off at the end. More often then not, helping people gets you much further than using them maliciously. I wouldn't call it 'manipulating' or 'using', though. We behave in a positive way so people will return this positive behavior. I once heard of a research that saw that people in small communities are nicer to each other since they interact more often. So they treat others like they want to be treated. By contributing to a social situation, you set an example and improve it. You gain from this improvement. It's not a direct benefit, but everyone benefits. |
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| I've done it from time to time. Both consciously and unconsciously. Usually it's for my own benefit or self-preservation. Even though it isn't harmful for the said person, I can't help but feel a touch of guilt after committing the act. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Tourist said: I never said that you promote suicide itself. It is not necessary to want something in itself to promote it. What do you mean? Do you mean that I promote it as a side-effect? TheBrainintheJar said: Tourist said: I never said that you promote suicide itself. It is not necessary to want something in itself to promote it. What do you mean? Do you mean that I promote it as a side-effect? Suicide is not an end but a way. Your promotion of suicide is promoting a way. The total apparent escape the pain is your goal. A cryogenic sleep could be a much more effective escape and much less destructive, especially for the Western Hemisphere. |
_Nemrod_Jul 26, 2016 10:12 PM
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Tourist said: Suicide is not an end but a way. Your promotion of suicide is promoting a way. The total apparent escape the pain is your goal. A cryogenic sleep could be a much more effective escape and much less destructive, especially for the Western Hemisphere. That's not true, actually. I promote the ability to choose whether to live or die. Cryogenic sleep doesn't get you dead. Suicide does. Suicide isn't as destructive as people say it is. People are simply too selfish to let others die. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: That's not true, actually. I promote the ability to choose whether to live or die. Cryogenic sleep doesn't get you dead. Suicide does. Suicide isn't as destructive as people say it is. People are simply too selfish to let others die. Freedom of choice or freedom to act? Freedom to act alone or freedom to act with the collaboration of society ?. Freedom to act in any circumstances or freedom to act when there are elements that prevent suicide with the own hands? Look, I do not mind the execution of suicide for certain contexts, not because I think that suicide is morally good (it is not), but it is a falsehood think that justice and goodness can not be cruel and very painful consequences. There are several circumstances in this world that a normal person has a preference for suicide than the preservation of its life. However, it is also true that in other circumstances, the same person would not want to be accomplice of self-murder of others. Things are much more complex than they appear. For these reasons, I find it preferable cryogenic sleep or something that conseve to people in a constant and lasting sleep. That prevents that people suffer cruel reality while society is not active accomplice of indirect murder. (West Hemisphere have too much with industry figures of abortions and the demographic winter). Honestly I do not think that your motivation to is "freedom of choice" because the nature of this motivation is very weak and therefore unconvincing. |
_Nemrod_Jul 27, 2016 4:48 AM
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SnugglyWhuggly said: TheBrainintheJar said: That's not true, actually. I promote the ability to choose whether to live or die. Cryogenic sleep doesn't get you dead. Suicide does. Suicide isn't as destructive as people say it is. People are simply too selfish to let others die. >I don't promote suicide >On profile: "MAL's resident suicide promoter" lol Yer ol' joke detector is malfunctioning. It's good to poke fun at ourselves once in a while. Tourist said: TheBrainintheJar said: That's not true, actually. I promote the ability to choose whether to live or die. Cryogenic sleep doesn't get you dead. Suicide does. Suicide isn't as destructive as people say it is. People are simply too selfish to let others die. Freedom of choice or freedom to act? Freedom to act alone or freedom to act with the collaboration of society ?. Freedom to act in any circumstances or freedom to act when there are elements that prevent suicide with the own hands? Look, I do not mind the execution of suicide for certain contexts, not because I think that suicide is morally good (it is not), but it is a falsehood think that justice and goodness can not be cruel and very painful consequences. There are several circumstances in this world that a normal person has a preference for suicide than the preservation of its life. However, it is also true that in other circumstances, the same person would not want to be accomplice of self-murder of others. Things are much more complex than they appear. For these reasons, I find it preferable cryogenic sleep or something that conseve to people in a constant and lasting sleep. That prevents that people suffer cruel reality while society is not active accomplice of indirect murder. (West Hemisphere have too much with industry figures of abortions and the demographic winter). Honestly I do not think that your motivation to is "freedom of choice" because the nature of this motivation is very weak and therefore unconvincing. Suicide isn't murder. The term 'self-murder' is misleading since murder refers to killing another person with the intentions of doing so, mostly to hurt that person. Suicide is ending one's own life. I really don't care if there are conditions worthy of suicide and conditions that aren't. It's not my business. I don't decide for others whether to die or not. This is what I'm arguing against. People need to get out of other people's bodies. |
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SnugglyWhuggly said: TheBrainintheJar said: Yer ol' joke detector is malfunctioning. It's good to poke fun at ourselves once in a while. Pity you don't seem to know how to do that, and take everything so seriously to the point where someone criticising you or disagreeing with your opinions/ideologies is "personally attacking you". "You're a selfish moron asshole patholigical liar not depressed or suicidal (I'm superpsychologist) also why can't you change your mind change your mind change your mind change your mind change your mind" isn't an argument, but a meaningless personal attack. |
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| eh, i do it. sometimes unintentionally, sometimes full on intentionally. it's hard to follow the moral compass when you're always in social situations. i'm not as good at it as some people are, but i'm pretty intent on improving. it just makes your life a lot easier in the long run. i don't think it's shitty of me to do so either. i'm good to others, i'm there for them, i consider their feelings. sometimes i use that consideration to mold the situation to benefit me more, but we all have to get by somehow. |
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