Isterio said: Lol okay, I've seen that species lurk around the boards a few times. The Orochimaru fags are pretty annoying, it's too bad the author never did him justice in a fight but the guy was pretty lame imo.KingRequiem said: Naruto did turn into shit from the War arc onward and was pretty mediocre shortly after the Pain and Kage Summit arc, being critical =/= bandwagoning. I'll always be thankful for the good moments the series brought me but the criticism didn't spawn from the void you know. That´s the go to answer when it comes to the series, but the same people that make that claim praise the Kushina flashback as "the best part of Naruto" and Madara the coolest villain, while they jizzed their pants during the Obito vs Mizu Ninja Flashback. There are some purists out there who claim how Orochimaru was and always be the end all be all and the Chunin exams were their favorite arc with arguments to back those opinions up. If that´s their honest opinion, more power to them, I can see why. But there´s a huge amount of bandwagoners who if you´d ask don´t really know why the hate the final arc besides my favorite character that had only one arc of screentime was killed off. |
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Isterio said: I´m inclined to say that I´m in a similar relationship with Whitebeard as you are with Orochimaru. Honest to god, the guy was worthless and more talk than do. People all over the internet love to lump him in with Madara because of powerlevels but given his performance I´d say that Oda didn´t mean for him to appear yet. The fact that Oda did not intend for Ace to die and changed his mind midway during the series is somewhat proof to me. I assume that Whitebeard was meant to be an Endgame hurdle or even an enemie, maybe someone Blackbeard would beat in a 1vs1 to proof his endboss worth but Oda scrapped that and came up with the Four emperor concept degrading Whitebeard from the "Strongest Man Alive" to just 1 out of 4 of them. Some changes imo were for the better, as theory crafters have proven. Through the changes alot of the story has become more ambigious and people argue wether or not Mihawk is endgame for Zorro or if possibly Shiriu will take his place, which is a good thing because through the introduction of Akainu the endgame becomes even more unclear and the order of things is exciting. We do not know in which order Shanks Blackbeard or the WG will be beaten or in what fashion. although we know that each time Luffy will take out the Boss and Zorro his right hand. I don't where you're getting your info from, but seems like it's not a reliable source. "Oda was going to kill Ace within 1 year after his first appearance in 2000. Sound Recording (2012)" |
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Isterio said: Dahaka_ said: I don't know where you're getting your info from, but seems like it's not a reliable source. "Oda was going to kill Ace within 1 year after his first appearance in 2000. Sound Recording (2012)" There are several comments about this in his SBS I´ve got lying around translated, not a fantranslated interview from the OP forums. There´s also the interview where he claimed that he didn´t initially meant to have any deaths occur in his Manga to prove that a Shounen Manga without death can be written. Another hint is the fact that this series, http://myanimelist.net/anime/2836/Chiisana_Viking_Vickie?q=Viking was the second inspirational source for One Piece alongside Dragon Ball. It´s a kid series about vikings going on adventures to find treasure, occasionally fighting with their wifes and a smart little viking boy who bails his idiot companions always out ouf trouble, because they get themselves into some predicament. I've read all SBS's and nowhere did he mention or suggested that Ace's death wasn't planned from the get go. All he said is Luffy doesn't kill enemies because they fight for they dreams yada yada. In another interview he said that he doesn't kill characters because he wants the readers to feel satisfied at the end of the arc. Which doesn't prove anything, because you would have to be a moron to say that you're going to make an exception to that rule and take away the whole surprise. Also I would like to see a link to that interview where he said he wanted to write a manga without death. I don't see it on arlong park in the interview's thread, so I 'm inclined to believe it doesn't exist and you just misremembered things. I have more faith in a japanese person that actually managed to gather and translate all of those interviews in one place that you. No offense :P |
Dahaka_Jul 22, 2016 1:21 PM
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Adome said: Not surprising. Impel Down is the last arc worthy of a 9 and the series has steadily degraded in quality since then. Zou is worthy of a 10 though. But yeah, I agree, the last pre-timeskip and early post-timeskip arcs were not that great. Something that seems to be changing lately so I'm all hyped for the current arc. |
Adome said: Not surprising. Impel Down is the last arc worthy of a 9 and the series has steadily degraded in quality since then. Marineford>>>Impel Down. |
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| You know that this kind of post would only make people who dislike the series, dislike the series even more, right?? |
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| aaaand it's 9 again it won't fall unless it becomes complete crap like bleach or naruto, there are just too many fanboys willing to make fake accounts to raise the score there's been a clear drop in quality post skip (that is thankfully slowly recovering with great zou arc and promising whole cake) but it's not bad enough to make it fall. |
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Beth_Masey said: Dahaka_ said: aaaand it's 9 again it won't fall unless it becomes complete crap like bleach or naruto, there are just too many fanboys willing to make fake accounts to raise the score Yes, it would seem so. These past few weeks I have noticed over 33 of them already created just to give this and/or the anime perfect 10s. Hell, one of them even wrote a very biased review about it in the exact same way on both the manga and anime pages, while giving them both perfect 10s of course. Geez.... I knew there would be a lot of alternate, fake, troll, or rate boosting accounts, but lol. And also, I think I know what review you're talking about. Anyways, a few hours ago, this was indeed back on 9. Now I come back and I see that it's back on 8.99. lol @HaXXspetten Wasn't kidding. |
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| about time should've happened 4 years ago guess people are still waiting for new world to get good LUL |
 Oh maybe, maybe it's the clothes we wear The tasteless bracelets and the dye in our hair Or maybe, maybe it's our nowhere towns or our nothing places But we're trash, you and me We're the litter on the breeze We're the lovers on the streets Just trash, me and you It's in everything we do It's in everything we do |
| *Drops vague comment about One Piece's quality* It's been on a downward slope since Marineford really, just not that downward. Sabo flashback was engaging if a predictable end. Hody is just an awful character, the rest of Fishman Island is fine. Ceasar *was* a bad character and Monet not better, but he's become better as the silly butt monkey. Dressrosa had uh, character development issues, too little focus on characters all around. That's a big complaint since the arc has like 900 characters, but that's really my only complaint with it. Most the characters are great. and despite having a pretty great flashback, I STILL don't have reason to care about Traffy. Sorry Traffy. Zou was perfectly great. KingRequiem said: @RichtheLionheart That's not news to me, good old Oda also has the bad tendency of re-using the same narrative formula: Straw Hats arrive on island, people are opressed by big bad, Luffy meets crying big boobed princess, they help them, Luffy hogs the spotlight and beats up the big bad, everyone throws a party. At least there was Water 7 in-between and stuff like Shabondy to digress. Yes I agree, it's not news to anyone. This is the case for almost every other arc in One Piece. The vast majority. Like, 90% of them. If this is a case about the series going on a downward slope that's irrelevant, it's always been this way. |
ashfrliebertJul 25, 2016 11:38 PM
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| Welp, It's back to 8.99. Lmao |
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| Well it's only at a 8.99 so it can go back up to a 9 easily. |
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| Lmfao U guys actually created thread because One piece went down 0.1 rating down -smh- This community can be pretty ridiculous at times |
| "You can't spell slaughter without laughter". |
| As much as it bothers me, MAL ratings should not be taken seriously. Alot of animes/mangas deserv a higher or lower score but yea. How i have come to understand the rating system here on MAL: You multiply all the scores and then divide it by the amount of people who have scored a serie. And that makes it very inconsisten. Also alot of people dont really read what every number stands for, and then there are blind fan boys! |
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| Dressrosa was awful that's why.. |
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ichii_1 said: Dressrosa was awful that's why.. Yeah i kinda agree the story itself was not bad per se, but the pace was horrible. |
FireEmblemIke24 said: Who in their right mind would rate this masterpiece below a 9? I gave it an 8 personally. Mikasa Wouldna be surprised if it was that person |
| One Piece will always be a perfect 10 in my book, so idc what the average score is. |
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Isterio said: Dahaka_ said: I don't know where you're getting your info from, but seems like it's not a reliable source. "Oda was going to kill Ace within 1 year after his first appearance in 2000. Sound Recording (2012)" There´s also the interview where he claimed that he didn´t initially meant to have any deaths occur in his Manga to prove that a Shounen Manga without death can be written. That doesnt make sense. Maybe Oda contradicted himself (though I'd argue otherwise unless evidence was proven). The reason this doesn't make sense is because the VERY FIRST CHAPTER of One Piece includes a death. People keep forgetting, or never acknowledged the fact perhaps, that One Piece's timeline started when Luffy was a kid. There was a timeskip from when he was a kid, to when he set sail. The anime changed this and made Luffy's backstory into a flashback, but it was originally NOT a flashback. Thus, the death of the no-name bandit DID happen in the MAIN timeline, not a flashback, and automatically and inherently contradicts 'Oda's statement'. If it was in a flashback, then maybe it wouldnt be contradictory, but it's not. If Oda wanted to make a series without death, the first freaking chapter would not have had a death. |
DarkAngelzAug 18, 2016 6:27 PM
| OP is no longer as relevant as it once used to be. The quality drop has become undeniable by now. |
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DarkAngelz said: Isterio said: There´s also the interview where he claimed that he didn´t initially meant to have any deaths occur in his Manga to prove that a Shounen Manga without death can be written. That doesnt make sense. Maybe Oda contradicted himself (though I'd argue otherwise unless evidence was proven). The reason this doesn't make sense is because the VERY FIRST CHAPTER of One Piece includes a death. People keep forgetting, or never acknowledged the fact perhaps, that One Piece's timeline started when Luffy was a kid. There was a timeskip from when he was a kid, to when he set sail. The anime changed this and made Luffy's backstory into a flashback, but it was originally NOT a flashback. Thus, the death of the no-name bandit DID happen in the MAIN timeline, not a flashback, and automatically and inherently contradicts 'Oda's statement'. If it was in a flashback, then maybe it wouldnt be contradictory, but it's not. If Oda wanted to make a series without death, the first freaking chapter would not have had a death. Maybe he only meant main characters. |
JonasTheJay said: DarkAngelz said: That doesnt make sense. Maybe Oda contradicted himself (though I'd argue otherwise unless evidence was proven). The reason this doesn't make sense is because the VERY FIRST CHAPTER of One Piece includes a death. People keep forgetting, or never acknowledged the fact perhaps, that One Piece's timeline started when Luffy was a kid. There was a timeskip from when he was a kid, to when he set sail. The anime changed this and made Luffy's backstory into a flashback, but it was originally NOT a flashback. Thus, the death of the no-name bandit DID happen in the MAIN timeline, not a flashback, and automatically and inherently contradicts 'Oda's statement'. If it was in a flashback, then maybe it wouldnt be contradictory, but it's not. If Oda wanted to make a series without death, the first freaking chapter would not have had a death. Maybe he only meant main characters. Why would he kill the main characters? This is a shounen and we know the MC will be brought back somehow if he dies. Just look at DBZ, after the Freeza arc Gohan was supposed to be the new MC, but fans did not like that (obviously because who cares about if the way he's brought back makes sense, fuck the plot and the rules you've established). Now this was an example, don't take as Oda would kill Luffy, because Luffy is what moves One Piece forward. It sure does seem he contradicts himself. |
| Oda has to worry about more than just the MAL score. The sales are taking a hit. |
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This is something all mangaka currently have to worry about and it does not have anything to do with the quality or popularity of the manga: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/12/29/national/media-national/sales-japanese-print-publications-fall-amid-digital-explosion/#.V8Hu7jVIK70 |
If Oda has to worry about sales than every other manga artist should probably be $hitting bricks right now lol, considering not many other series come close to the sales One Piece gets per volume. As far as the quality of the manga goes, honestly I don't feel like it's gotten worse like most of the people here seem to think. Personally I've really enjoyed the post-time skip arcs/sagas so far. The pacing "issue" doesn't really affect me because I wait for each new volume to come out in America so I can buy it then I read the bulk of it. One Piece has always been more of a binge anime/manga where it's at its best when several chapters/episodes are read/watched in succession. |
sman3579Sep 16, 2016 10:50 PM
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sman3579 said: If Oda has to worry about sales than every other manga artist should probably be $hitting bricks right now lol, considering not many other series come close to the sales it gets per volume. As far as the quality of the manga goes, honestly I don't feel like it's gotten worse like most of the people here seem to think. Personally i've really enjoyed the posm-time skip arcs/sagas so far. The pacing "issue" doesn't really affect me because I wait for each new volume to come out in America so I can buy it then I read the bulk of it. One Piece has always been more of a binge anime/manga where it's at it's best when several chapters/episodes are read/watched in succession. Every series is better read retrospectively at controlled pace than week by week, tbh. Not enough to worry about. Regardless of how you feel about it, it flattens every single manga every volume. Except maybe Attack on Titan. |
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| Because One piece is too long and some1 doesn't like it (I guess...) |
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| Too be perfectly honest, I don't even feel like the Dressorosa arc (manga) was paced poorly at all. People probably look at the chapter count of the arc and think "102 chapters for one arc, man the pacing for it must have been awful." In my opinion, I'd just say that the arc was long not because of a pacing issue but because it covered a lot of content. I mean, just think off all the stuff that happened this arc. Law's backstory, Kyros' backstory, Doffy's backstory, King Riku's descend from the throne backstory, Luffy vs Doffy, Zoro vs Pica, Franky vs Señor, the Sanji team had to escape from Big Mom's crew since they showed up, Sabo and Koala make a return, we met one of the new Admirals, Usopp defeats Sugar twice and developed Haki, the crew found Kanjuro, we see CP0 for the first time, we get to see Burgess in action, and Luffy gets a fleet among a few other things. I wouldn't call that slow pacing, slow pacing would be like only getting one fourth of that content in the same amount of chapters. |
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sman3579 said: Too be perfectly honest, I don't even feel like the Dressorosa arc (manga) was paced poorly at all. People probably look at the chapter count of the arc and think "102 chapters for one arc, man the pacing for it must have been awful." In my opinion, I'd just say that the arc was long not because of a pacing issue but because it covered a lot of content. I mean, just think off all the stuff that happened this arc. Law's backstory, Kyros' backstory, Doffy's backstory, King Riku's descend from the throne backstory, Luffy vs Doffy, Zoro vs Pica, Franky vs Señor, the Sanji team had to escape from Big Mom's crew since they showed up, Sabo and Koala make a return, we met one of the new Admirals, Usopp defeats Sugar twice and developed Haki, the crew found Kanjuro, we see CP0 for the first time, we get to see Burgess in action, and Luffy gets a fleet among a few other things. I wouldn't call that slow pacing, slow pacing would be like only getting one fourth of that content in the same amount of chapters. The amount of content was entirely the problem with the "pacing", but it's still a problem. Especially the way they treated Rebecca's development, bleh. "Bad pacing" is constantly the criticism people bring up about One Piece, though. "Dressrosa was slow", "Zou is slow", "the forest is slow". After a while, when you have absolutely no more elaboration, this is the criticism you give when you have no other. |
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| And it's back to 9.00 lol |
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| I think One piece deserves score 9 |
sman3579 said: And it's back to 9.00 lol CasperGotchi said: I think One piece deserves score 9 Well, now it's back under 9 again. With that being said, people, I wouldn't just keep bumping this topic just because of that. Did you people not say that this isn't even that much of a big deal, anyway? |
| One piece deserves to have a 9, do not understand why they dropped again :c |
AlliedWishes said: Did you people not say that this isn't even that much of a big deal, anyway? It isn't a big deal, but that doesn't mean we can't follow it's average score to see what the people as a whole think about it and at what parts (arcs) the score increases or decreases. |
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