| I always preferred to rate subjectively. If I enjoy it, I'll rate it accordingly. I understand why people rate objectively, however I'm just more interested in what people like than what people think of a show after they dissect it and rip it apart. |
TheDeadApostle said: zombie_pegasus said: You could also average them out to a 6 or 7. Quality and enjoyment are both important. Quality isn't important to everyone and the same goes for enjoyment. For a person who uses the two though he can probably do that. Yes those kind of people are probably more common than the strictly quality types. TheBrainintheJar said: Why does an anime have to be great from a 'literary viewpoint' in order to be good, assuming enjoyment and quality aren't the same thing? I assume it needs to avoid many plot holes, character and development clichés while telling a fairly coherent/interesting/sensible story. Or at the least be so great in one or a few aspects that it can somehow compensate for its flaws. For me, a good anime needs to be good at something. It needs to be special in what it does. It doesn't have to explore deep themes, although many do. I don't mind if an anime is just an exercise in style - the movie Dead Leaves is a lot of fun. What makes art so exciting is that it can work in many ways. So even if something doesn't have traditional 'literary value', I'll still give it a high rating if it has any kind of value. |
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| I rate via Objectively and Subjectively. So I look into how well made the anime is, objectively but even then that is still subjective but I have the mindset of rating it via objective. Then after considering all of that, I factor my own enjoyment of the show and what it meant to me. How the tone/themes/characters related or put an impression on me. Then I just weigh it out. Guilty Pleasures would of mine would be Akame Ga Kill! I mean objectively it's garbage: mostly below average animation with a hint of good animation at times with smart framing, bad character development and poorly paced. But even then I love it cause I enjoyed it despite all of that so.. If I were to rate it purely on my enjoyment without considering its flaws, it'd be a 9/10 but if I were to rate it purely objectively, it'd be only a 6/10. But I consider both and the objective side takes priority over my enjoyment. So I gave Akame Ga Kill! a 7/10. But even then, rating doesn't matter because it's your own opinion on the show and you shouldn't worry too much on what other's think. |
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PikaCheeks said: I rate via Objectively and Subjectively. So I look into how well made the anime is, objectively but even then that is still subjective but I have the mindset of rating it via objective. Then after considering all of that, I factor my own enjoyment of the show and what it meant to me. How the tone/themes/characters related or put an impression on me. Then I just weigh it out. Guilty Pleasures would of mine would be Akame Ga Kill! I mean objectively it's garbage: mostly below average animation with a hint of good animation at times with smart framing, bad character development and poorly paced. But even then I love it cause I enjoyed it despite all of that so.. If I were to rate it purely on my enjoyment without considering its flaws, it'd be a 9/10 but if I were to rate it purely objectively, it'd be only a 6/10. But I consider both and the objective side takes priority over my enjoyment. So I gave Akame Ga Kill! a 7/10. But even then, rating doesn't matter because it's your own opinion on the show and you shouldn't worry too much on what other's think. Can you explain how objectivity work? What's the physical means of measuring anime? I mean, you measure objects. Value is something that only exists inside people's heads. By nature, it is not objective. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: I mean, you measure objects. Value is something that only exists inside people's heads. By nature, it is not objective. Like I said before as well, looking at it objectively is still subjective as there is no defined criteria and everyone has different experiences. It's just that I, put on this consideration of what I find to be actually good and bad critically in the anime and then just factor in my own biased opinion of how well I enjoyed it. I mean you can still objectively measure any form of media and it's still going to have a hint of subjectivity in it, it's like analyzing old black and white movies and why they're so great, cause of the dialouge, cinematography, script, etc etc. I mean Michael Bay movies are rated to be bad, because they have poor script, bad pacing and are poorly written. But despite that, they're still somewhat enjoyable? |
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| Same as any other anime. The only reason I can think of that somebody would even deem an anime a guilty pleasure is just to try and make it seem like they have what's commonly accepted as good taste in spite of having enjoyed that one. I lost my ability to look like I had good taste whenever I put Haganai, OreImo, and SAO as my top 3 favorite anime, so I see no real point in caring about that, and I don't really want to act like those aren't my top 3 just to try and impress some pretentious fuckwads on the internet. It's basically just screaming "HEY GUISE I KNOW I LIKED THAT ONE ANIME BUT PLS DON'T GET MAD I RATED IT A 4 TO SHOW THAT I HAVE GOOD TASTE EVEN THOUGH I LIKED IT PLS DON'T H8 ME crifaec" Having shit taste is superior, anyway, going by this site's standards |
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PikaCheeks said: TheBrainintheJar said: I mean, you measure objects. Value is something that only exists inside people's heads. By nature, it is not objective. Like I said before as well, looking at it objectively is still subjective as there is no defined criteria and everyone has different experiences. It's just that I, put on this consideration of what I find to be actually good and bad critically in the anime and then just factor in my own biased opinion of how well I enjoyed it. I mean you can still objectively measure any form of media and it's still going to have a hint of subjectivity in it, it's like analyzing old black and white movies and why they're so great, cause of the dialouge, cinematography, script, etc etc. I mean Michael Bay movies are rated to be bad, because they have poor script, bad pacing and are poorly written. But despite that, they're still somewhat enjoyable? Actually, I don't find Michael Bay movies enjoyable at all. Shitty dialogue, aimless plot, action scenes with no rhythm don't make for an enjoyable experience. Question: What makes an anime enjoyable? Do 'good qualities' not make anime more enjoyable? |
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| I just don't even add em on MAL Simple af. Even if I do add it for god knows why reason , I would rate it 1/10 |
 All the best people are crazy! |
| Why would I rate it in a different way? That is stupid, and peoples who do it are stupid too. Is my anime list. Those scores are my enjoyment. So I rate it as I would rate any other anime... the only guilty pleasure I don't rate or put in my list is hentai... becuse is irelevant. Is like adding porn to your completed movies list, or Playboy Magazines in your '''Books I had read'' list. Peoples are to concerned to look good in the eyes of... some moron who thinks that he/she has better taste... |
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| No such thing as a guilty pleasure anime. if you like it then you like it, If you notice the flaws then how do you like it? All my ratings are based solely on my personal opinion of the show. My completed shows are almost all rated 5/10 or higher. You shouldn't be finishing shows that you don't like, it's a waste of time. |
| I don't care. |
| >Scoring any anime >Ever Lol fuck that |
| People who put MAL stats in their sigs are losers lol |
| Same way that I score any other anime. |
| Be thankful for the wisdom granted to you. |
| just like any other anime.. like why would i care about what people think of "x" anime? unless it was Boku no Pico.. |
| He about having absolutely no shame in liking a specific type of anime??? Then u don't have to worry about bullshit like this |
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| 10/10 Flaws are irrelevant to me If it's enjoyable, that's all that matters |
| I compare them to other hentai. 6 would be the highest I'd give for a full on ecchi series (one I care less about the plot). |
| on enjoyment. I dont waste my time worrying about the flaws like im some kind of critic. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: PikaCheeks said: Like I said before as well, looking at it objectively is still subjective as there is no defined criteria and everyone has different experiences. It's just that I, put on this consideration of what I find to be actually good and bad critically in the anime and then just factor in my own biased opinion of how well I enjoyed it. I mean you can still objectively measure any form of media and it's still going to have a hint of subjectivity in it, it's like analyzing old black and white movies and why they're so great, cause of the dialouge, cinematography, script, etc etc. I mean Michael Bay movies are rated to be bad, because they have poor script, bad pacing and are poorly written. But despite that, they're still somewhat enjoyable? Actually, I don't find Michael Bay movies enjoyable at all. Shitty dialogue, aimless plot, action scenes with no rhythm don't make for an enjoyable experience. Question: What makes an anime enjoyable? Do 'good qualities' not make anime more enjoyable? Well I only find Bad Boys 2 and the first Transformers movies to be decent, the rest are garbage but anyhow. Back to anime. If I were to just look at good qualities then a lot of the anime I actually enjoyed despite having some or many bad qualities would be low while anime that have some really good qualities but didn't have as much fun would be rated high, now that wouldn't reflect my true thoughts on the anime now would it. You last asked for how to measure anime, well you just simply look at the categories MAL gives you when you decide to write a review: Art/Animation, Sound, Characters, Story, Enjoyment and then all of that factor into your Overall rating. And Jesus, I just worded myself wrong, aight? Basically my first post was that I look at the bad qualities and good qualities of the anime and then weigh it with how well I enjoyed the anime. Do you have a problem with that? I have no issue with how anyone else rates their anime or how you do cause we're all different. I never said, my way was the perfect way to rate, I just simply said how I rate my anime. |
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| I score it as its merits deserve, and then explain that I like it despite its score. |
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| I'd rate them a 9 just to screw with people, honestly I find them funny (from what I've watched) ala Ore Twintails, Kampfer, etc. |
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| I rate them based on how much pleasure they gave me. |
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| Exactly 1 or 2 scores higher than I feel it deserves. |
PikaCheeks said: TheBrainintheJar said: Actually, I don't find Michael Bay movies enjoyable at all. Shitty dialogue, aimless plot, action scenes with no rhythm don't make for an enjoyable experience. Question: What makes an anime enjoyable? Do 'good qualities' not make anime more enjoyable? Well I only find Bad Boys 2 and the first Transformers movies to be decent, the rest are garbage but anyhow. Back to anime. If I were to just look at good qualities then a lot of the anime I actually enjoyed despite having some or many bad qualities would be low while anime that have some really good qualities but didn't have as much fun would be rated high, now that wouldn't reflect my true thoughts on the anime now would it. You last asked for how to measure anime, well you just simply look at the categories MAL gives you when you decide to write a review: Art/Animation, Sound, Characters, Story, Enjoyment and then all of that factor into your Overall rating. And Jesus, I just worded myself wrong, aight? Basically my first post was that I look at the bad qualities and good qualities of the anime and then weigh it with how well I enjoyed the anime. Do you have a problem with that? I have no issue with how anyone else rates their anime or how you do cause we're all different. I never said, my way was the perfect way to rate, I just simply said how I rate my anime. I don't have a problem. I ask questions because I like discussing stuff. Here's my question: Can a quality be good, but not make an anime enjoyable? I find the MAL division of categories useless. It doesn't explain what makes anime work. An anime works because it has an idea, or a few, and it explores them and takes advantage of them to make an entertaining, insightful piece of art. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: PikaCheeks said: Well I only find Bad Boys 2 and the first Transformers movies to be decent, the rest are garbage but anyhow. Back to anime. If I were to just look at good qualities then a lot of the anime I actually enjoyed despite having some or many bad qualities would be low while anime that have some really good qualities but didn't have as much fun would be rated high, now that wouldn't reflect my true thoughts on the anime now would it. You last asked for how to measure anime, well you just simply look at the categories MAL gives you when you decide to write a review: Art/Animation, Sound, Characters, Story, Enjoyment and then all of that factor into your Overall rating. And Jesus, I just worded myself wrong, aight? Basically my first post was that I look at the bad qualities and good qualities of the anime and then weigh it with how well I enjoyed the anime. Do you have a problem with that? I have no issue with how anyone else rates their anime or how you do cause we're all different. I never said, my way was the perfect way to rate, I just simply said how I rate my anime. I don't have a problem. I ask questions because I like discussing stuff. Here's my question: Can a quality be good, but not make an anime enjoyable? I find the MAL division of categories useless. It doesn't explain what makes anime work. An anime works because it has an idea, or a few, and it explores them and takes advantage of them to make an entertaining, insightful piece of art. Well if you just like debating and discussing that's fine. To answer your recent question. No a good quality can not make a an anime not enjoyable. A good quality is something you like about the anime, yes? There might be some bad qualities that you either forgive the anime easier than other people or hate the anime more than other people. And there might be some good qualities you notice and value more or less compared to other people. It's all grey, not black and white. The thing of rating objectively is basically because of comparing 1 anime with another, may sound unfair but that's why I factor in my own personal enjoyment. So that there's less bias objectively or subjectively. Yes, this tone/theme/concept/idea anime tries to give off or go for is unique for mostly every series. But Story and Characters are used to go over the ideas and themes. Anyhow it's all about interpreting the anime, everyone's different and have different values. I really enjoyed Amagi Brilliant Park because it gave off this sense of optimism and hope in a happy tone with a giant cast of static characters with just 1 character trait, a story that's just laid there and then quickly addressed again towards the final episodes and half baked character development. The many characters that just possess 1 gag/trait can be either a good thing or a bad thing to some people. I took it as a good thing because I see enjoyment in many 1 colored personality characters while some other people might only enjoy seeing less characters but characters that are colorful in personality. I saw Amagi as a light series and took it as a light series and thus I highly enjoyed it. If I were to rate it purely on my enjoyment then it'd be a 10/10 because of the value/tone I enjoyed and connected to (I'm an optimist and idealistic) so much but that sounds a little unfair to other anime which are actually amazing. If I were to rate it critically and not give a damn about my own enjoyment, it'd only be a a 6/10 but then that ain't right. If I were to just soley rate my anime off of my own enjoyment then there'd be a tonne of anime rated 10 and 9 on it. TL;DR: Some anime are pieces of art to some people while others aren't. Some qualities, both good and bad - might have more or less of an impact to their enjoyment of an anime for a person. A good quality is something you like about the anime, so of course it can not make an anime not enjoyable. |
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| Most guilty pleasures get between 6-7 depending on my overall enjoyment, excluding common tropes of plot, characters etc., but mostly get a solid 7 (except Highschool of the Dead, which I thought was genius for doing fanservice right and bombastically so) simply because they are mostly enjoyable but definitely not masterpieces in comparison with my favourites list. Anything scored less than that can't be guilty pleasures, but just plain "bad" in my eyes. |
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| What exactly is a guilty pleasure anyways? Before I knew about MAL scores or any of that, I proudly had Comic Party as my favorite anime. Considering the 6.69 average on MAL, I clearly am in the minority of people who enjoyed it that much. Do I feel guilty about it? No, not really. |
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| i dont really have a guilty pleasure, mostly because I don't feel ashamed about liking a series. I love K-On!!, some call it just another moe shit show, but it's a series i really enjoy |
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| no matter what kind of anime, as long as it makes me enjoy and entertained, I surely score it of what it should be deserve. :D |
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| 6 is usually my designated guilty pleasure rating. I would say half of my 6s are guilty pleasures and the other half are anime that I genuinely consider slightly above average. |
Tpfang56Sep 19, 2016 7:22 AM
AltoRoark said: "Guilty pleasures" are absolute nonsense. If I like a show, I rate it high. If not, I rate it low. It's as simple as that. Guilty pleasure is just a term used by people who are insecure about what they like and don't like. yeah it's just like perverts , they like boobs or butts but they try to hide that (unless you're a high level perv like me, in that case you will be proud of being a perv ) |
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| Something like Yosuga no Sora, Prison School, or To Love Ru? I rate it higher than Tatami Galaxy. |
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| Pleasure points -- Guilty points = Total score Easy math, right? OT : What exactly should I feel guilty about in watching some animu? I watch animu for enjoyment and that's it |
Z-DanteSep 19, 2016 7:55 AM
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| Using a scale from 1-10 after considering a bunch of factors that I personally decide to be relevant when I rate shows, or to be more exact when I rate that show in particular. That's how I do it. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
OneNaughtyBear said: Guilty pleasure sounds like hentai. I guess you could score it on how long you fapped for? This post is so underrated, it hurts. |
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| I'd usually give those a 6, maybe a 7. |
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| School Days is my guilty pleasure anime. I gave it a 10/10. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. |
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usuis said: School Days is my guilty pleasure anime. I gave it a 10/10. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Same but I gave it a 7. Also yosuga no sora but that was a 5 |
| I don't have any guilty pleasure anime because I refuse to feel guilty for what I like |
| I'll admit that it's garbage, but I can't get enough of it for some reason. Like McDonald's. |
| Mrs. Landingham, what's next? |
| Typically these shows end up earning somewhere between a 6 and a 7 for me. The three most obvious examples would be HOTD, Highschool DxD, and Mirai Nikki. In the case of DxD, I gave it a 6. Enjoyment was a 10, granted, and there was some interesting world-building go on, problem was that it was used more of a 'setting' then an actual 'world'. Same thing with most of the characters. Rias aside, most of them were used as chess pieces (Pun only somewhat intended) or plot devices, but had a little more depth then that. Music was the bomb, and the animation was damn smooth when it needed to be. Personal opinions aside, I gave it a 6 because I watched it at a time when it wouldn't have strongly altered my appreciation for anime, and it didn't bring something revolutionary to anime as a genre. But it was honest, straightforward, and could used gimped setting and characters to make a series downright enjoyable. In the case of Mirai Nikki, I'm running off of memories nearly 2 years old, and the occasional review or AMV I see of it. I don't recall the soundtrack being anything special save for the two OPs, and the art and animation are nice but not 'amazing'. I recall the main characters being enjoyable, and while not 'uber-deep' or 'uber-complex', they weren't exactly shallow. My enjoyment for the show was a solid 10/10 because it always kept me hooked. I gave it a 7, but again, I'm running off of memories nearly 2 years old. In the case of HOTD, this WAS my introduction anime. The first one I watched in my teenage years, the one that started me on the path of where I am now. And it has served as an 'intro' anime for many other people I know. This is primarily due to the enjoyment, which is a sheer 10/10. Most of the characters didn't go past basic stereotypes with hyper-idealized female bodies, and yet despite that, they all were utilized in the story very well. The story itself was quite simple, but not mind-numbingly so. The music is spot on, and the sound design is fitting. And like DxD above, the art is smooth whenever it needs to be. IN the end, it got a 7. For more information, you can check out my review of HOTD. I normally won't score a 'guilty pleasure' any higher then a 7, and it will typically be locked out of my 'favorites' list. This is primarily because if a series is marketed as a 'guilty pleasure', I'm assuming a massive portion of this pleasure is supposed to be rooted in sexual perversion of some sort, and I truly am dissatisfied it a series feels that it needs to utilize fanservice to sell itself. And on the other hand, fanservice itself is not something really 'worth' selling, despite how enjoyable it is. Exceptions to these rules granted to KLK and Higurashi, because while Higurashi doesn't really market itself on it's sexuality, it did satisfy some of my fetishes unintentionally, and still stands quite solidly on it's own, while KLK actually decon-recons the point of fanservice in-universe. |
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Seidou_Takizawa said: Nope, tbh I'm one of those people who sees quality and enjoyment as mostly overlapping, but there are a few exceptions. Angel Beats! Is a series that I do not think is quite 7/10 but for reasons unknown to me I joyed it that much. Bakemonogatari is the opposite, I enjoyed it, but I also think it's brilliant (8/10 or there abouts). Hmmm, those are the only two examples I can think of right now.I rate them the same way that any other show. merryfistmas said: I rate them based on how much pleasure they gave me. There was ever a "guilty pleasure" anime that made you reach the climax ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ? - I mean that you gave a 10/10 ^^ |
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