| My roommate sometimes watches dubbed anime, and while most if it is merely garbage, some parts just sound so disgustingly retarded and cringeworthy, hearing it feels like brain cancer. Why do they do this? Why are so many dubs so goddamned bad? It's no wonder so many people consider anime a joke, or "chinese cartoons" when the most readily available anime is dubbed shit. To you stupid off-topic hoes, I'm aware of the good dubs (Hellsing, Cowboy Bebop, etc), but are they the face of anime to the West? Nope. |
MortalMelancholyJul 6, 2016 9:34 AM
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| Majority of English dubs aren't produced by #quality companies FUCKETERYmation & c:o mostly hire untalented C or D-list voice actors instead of professional VAs There's your answer |
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| Dammit I was just about to make a thread about this. The thing is that western cartoons, no matter how dark they are, almost never have the kind of realism and attention to detail as anime does. It's just so different from anime that western voice acting just doesn't suit the medium well enough. |
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Comic_Sans said: Majority of English dubs aren't produced by #quality companies FUCKETERYmation & c:o mostly hire untalented C or D-list voice actors instead of professional VAs There's your answer Would it help if I hunt down and kill all of the bad voice actors? D-ohnuts said: What dubs have you heard or listened to, OP? Roommate was watching some soul eater and some of that one anime about the foo' that don't got friends, but does have a harem. |
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| I won't be surprised if it has anything with being usual to watch animes without English dubs. Who said Japanese dub is good for American cartoons. It may also be differences in culture |
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| Most of them yes but not all of It,There are those shows that really were brought to life with the dub. |
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| Because the VA industry for anime dubs is lacking and few dubs truly sound that good. Nowadays, all dubs are decent when done by stuff like Funimation, but they ain't all-star. |
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MortalMelancholy said: Most likelyComic_Sans said: Majority of English dubs aren't produced by #quality companies FUCKETERYmation & c:o mostly hire untalented C or D-list voice actors instead of professional VAs There's your answer Would it help if I hunt down and kill all of the bad voice actors? Most, if not all, anime dubbing companies would probably have to close though but I don't think it would such a huge loss |
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| The original is always better, thats just how it is with every medium. |
| What if the Japanese dubs are equally retarded and cringeworthy and the English dubs are just faithful to the original? |
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| English dub tends to nail western-inspired shows though. CB, Hellsing, FMAB and Baccano got their shit right. I just think it's a matter of putting more animes in the hands of quality companies. If it was the case I'd probably be more open to watching dubs, especially being the Laura Bailey fag that I am. |
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Omni_slash95 said: The original is always better, thats just how it is with every medium. Nope not true. Panty & Stocking, Beck, Michiko to Hatchin. These are all undoubtedly better dubbed than subbed. |
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| What's the difference between a 'good' and 'horrific dub'. As in describe the difference in non abstract terms. As it stands its seems a rather arbitrary distinction... |
Bobby2Hands said: Omni_slash95 said: The original is always better, thats just how it is with every medium. Nope not true. Panty & Stocking, Beck, Michiko to Hatchin. These are all undoubtedly better dubbed than subbed. Haven't watched them so can't say. But for me the original is always just better and more authentic even if the Dub might be good (like it is with Cowboy Bebop). Its not just with anime, I prefer to watch tv shows and play games in english too even if I'm german. |
| Dubs in general tend to suck, not just dubs into the English language. The WoW German dub is like listening to nails on a chalkboard for example and every German dub of everything really, unless it's something originally from here |
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Bobby2Hands said: Omni_slash95 said: The original is always better, thats just how it is with every medium. Nope not true. Panty & Stocking, Beck, Michiko to Hatchin. These are all undoubtedly better dubbed than subbed. The first two are pretty wester-looking though. P&S in particular |
Gesu- said: Bobby2Hands said: Nope not true. Panty & Stocking, Beck, Michiko to Hatchin. These are all undoubtedly better dubbed than subbed. The first two are pretty wester-looking though. P&S in particular The last one is set in Brazil, how is that not western? |
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Haven't seen that one lol Is it the one with Michiko malandro in it by any chance? |
| We got used to hearing japanese for anime that even if the dub was good it'll still sound wrong. Imagine growing up watching spongebob in english then suddenly you hear japanese spongebob..it's going to sound off. Basically it's not the language but we're not used to it and majority of the english va's just really suck..for dubbing, it's not like they can afford to find good quality VA's most of the time..so yeah |
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| I just dislike how they have to pronounce the Japanese names 100% accurate to the native pronunciation, so like in Naruto or something it will be like, "I will bring back my friend うちは サスケ if it's the last thing I do!!!" or "竹林さん how's those boxed lunches today?". It's really jarring and makes me not want to watch them, other than that they're good. |
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| I find that to enjoy dubs; all you have to do is get used to it. I watched the Sword Art Online dub and I thought it was horrendous at first, but after 3 or 4 episodes, it started sounding pretty okay. Same thing happened with a bunch of other dubs. You just gotta get used to it. |
| Most of the times it just doesn't fit the setting/mood of the show and other times the VA is shitty as fuck or it's both. They dub it just for the sake of dubbing without putting forth any real effort into it, just like most dubs in general (movies, TV shows, etc.). We're also used to watching anime in Japanese, thus it just feels weird. Imagine watching Leonardo di Caprio speaking Swahili for an entire movie. |
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| I think they've greatly improved over time, really. If you go back and watch dubs from the mid-to-late 90's (Early DBZ, Pokemon, Gundam Wing) you can tell the world of difference. |
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| Oh wow another circle jerk hate thread about dubs. Have you not learned what subjective means? |
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bikers123 said: Most of the times it just doesn't fit the setting/mood of the show and other times the VA is shitty as fuck or it's both. They dub it just for the sake of dubbing without putting forth any real effort into it, just like most dubs in general (movies, TV shows, etc.). We're also used to watching anime in Japanese, thus it just feels weird. Imagine watching Leonardo di Caprio speaking Swahili for an entire movie. Imagining Italian batman atm Yeah the lack of effort shows..when you compare dubs to media that have english as their original language it's way too different since there was actual effort put into those voices. |
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| Coz dubs usually tend to suck. Try watching disney movies japanese dubbed. Or hollywood movies hindi dubbed. And while there are obviously some exceptions, thats how its generally is. English dubbed animes are no exception. This is coming from someone who almost exclusively watches English dubbed animes. |
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| I think this is a pretty elitist attitude. I only watch dubs. Yeah. You know why? Because I only speak and understand english. It doesn't make sense to watch something in a language I can't understand. Every single time I watch a sub, I just cannot get into it. I can't tell that difference between a good or bad sub. Maybe all the subs I watched were awful, or all amazing. Can't tell the difference. The point being, if you like subs, whatever, But kindly don't have the stupid attitude that 'if it's dubbed, it's cancer'. Because guess what? Literally everyone on this thread speaks english. Do you go up to people and tell them that they have stupid voices? No. Opinions are fine, but no need to bash dubs, which are TOTALLY OPTIONAL, by the way. No one is forcing you to watch all your shows dubbed by gunpoint. Just chill. |
| Because they just are. They're poorly made and the voice actors are usually shit. |
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| You guys wanted anime to be more popular, there you go. Instead of keeping it only in Japan, you take a risk by having others dub it for a more mainstream audience. If people cared so much about dubbing, maybe we would have "FanDubs" and set an industry standard like Fansubs. Whether the dubs are good or bad; they are still making money because people are buying it before hearing the dubs. Instead of some of the cringey Abridged series, let's see some legit Fandubs. |
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I think this is a pretty elitist attitude. I only watch dubs. I smell a contradictionYeah. You know why? Because I only speak and understand english. It doesn't make sense to watch something in a language I can't understand. Why doesn't it make sense? If you had been talking about watching anime RAW without having any knowledge of the language then it would've made sense, but since the subtitles are there to translate what's being said your argument doesn't make much senseEvery single time I watch a sub, I just cannot get into it. I can't tell that difference between a good or bad sub. Maybe all the subs I watched were awful, or all amazing. Can't tell the difference. Different styles of actingThe point being, if you like subs, whatever, But kindly don't have the stupid attitude that 'if it's dubbed, it's cancer'. Why not? You refuse to watch anything subtitled because you think subs = cancer, if you have the right to have your attitude then so should sub elitistsBecause guess what? Literally everyone on this thread speaks english. Speaking English ≠ being a native English speaker. None of my native tongues are English, that doesn't mean I'll watch English speaking movies/TV series/cartoons dubbed just because it's not my native tongue.Do you go up to people and tell them that they have stupid voices? No. Having a stupid voice ≠ being bad at voice acting. Besides, criticizing somebody's work isn't the same thing as criticizing them personally, so your comparison doesn't make senseOpinions are fine, but no need to bash dubs, which are TOTALLY OPTIONAL, by the way. No one is forcing you to watch all your shows dubbed by gunpoint. Just chill. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech |
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| Full Metal Alchemist, Soul Eater, Death Note, Code Geass, Cowboy Bebop Movie; all of them had watchable dubs, if not better. Also RWBY has amazing Dubs and it's one of the closest things we have to anime here. Better series = better dubs. Don't forget you have people who hate the Subs for Future Diary for Yuno's voice. They called it annoying or too high pitched. Don't forget Yu Yu Hakisho, School Rumble and Azumanga Daioh. |
LogicalInjusticeJul 6, 2016 11:06 AM
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TiaDee said: Omni_slash95 said: Haven't watched them so can't say. But for me the original is always just better and more authentic even if the Dub might be good (like it is with Cowboy Bebop). Its not just with anime, I prefer to watch tv shows and play games in english too even if I'm german. Also FMAB, Baccano!, Black Butler, Black Lagoon, Hellsing, Trigun, Samurai Champloo, Death Note, Steins;Gate, Darker than Black, Rin: Daughters of Mnemosyne. And many more. I was just naming a couple that are clearly better in English. The ones you mentioned are arguable whether the English or Japanese versions are better. |
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LogicalInjustice said: have you considered the logistics of fandubbing. It'd be massive undertaking that would dwarf fansubbing.You guys wanted anime to be more popular, there you go. Instead of keeping it only in Japan, you take a risk by having others dub it for a more mainstream audience. If people cared so much about dubbing, maybe we would have "FanDubs" and set an industry standard like Fansubs. Whether the dubs are good or bad; they are still making money because people are buying it before hearing the dubs. Instead of some of the cringey Abridged series, let's see some legit Fandubs. |
ScarletSentry said: LogicalInjustice said: have you considered the logistics of fandubbing. It'd be massive undertaking that would dwarf fansubbing.You guys wanted anime to be more popular, there you go. Instead of keeping it only in Japan, you take a risk by having others dub it for a more mainstream audience. If people cared so much about dubbing, maybe we would have "FanDubs" and set an industry standard like Fansubs. Whether the dubs are good or bad; they are still making money because people are buying it before hearing the dubs. Instead of some of the cringey Abridged series, let's see some legit Fandubs. At least it would show that people are largely interested in it. Look at what groups such as HorribleSubs. Bakedfish, and MonoSubs. If we had just 1 good dubbing group and people started using them, it shows the market wants quality dubs and would actually stop buying American Dubs etc over Subs because of quality. Don't expect better dubbing if there is no market for it. You have enough people bitching that Japan should only handle anime, but you hear cries about bad dubbing. Why should we even try if there is not a market for it and what we are making is selling regardless. Quantity > Quality in regards to sales. |
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MortalMelancholy said: Soul Eater might be "the face of anime" to some extent, but niche shows like Haganai definitely aren't. If someone's choosing to watch the dub for a show like that, chances are they're already an anime fan and aren't going to think the whole medium is a Chinese joke. Along with Hellsing and Bebop, many other generally-regarded-as-good dubs can stake a claim as "the face of anime," like FMA, FLCL, Outlaw Star, Trigun, DBZ, Gundam Wing, Yu Yu Hakusho, Wolf's Rain, and (maybe?) Inuyasha and Death Note. Even dubs with questionable adaptation choices like Robotech, Pokemon, Digimon, Yugioh, and Sailor Moon managed to bring waves of people into the fandom. The main reason I believe dubs get a bad rap these days is because of the "First Audio Track Wins" effect, where people have previously seen the Japanese versions, and react in an "it's different from what I'm used to, so I can't stop cringing!" way.Roommate was watching some soul eater and some of that one anime about the foo' that don't got friends, but does have a harem. * To you stupid off-topic hoes, I'm aware of the good dubs (Hellsing, Cowboy Bebop, etc), but are they the face of anime to the West? Nope. It's no coincidence that many of the dubs listed above aired on TV in an era before widespread exposure to the Japanese audio tracks during the Japanese broadcasts was commonplace. And we're supposed to believe that the actors, writers, and directors involved in those dubs never worked in the industry again (provably false), or somehow only did good work on those specific projects? The Naruto and Bleach dubs might possibly have joined the "The only good dub is a dub from my childhood" club, if the shows had been made before the digital fansub era like Pokemon/Digimon/Yugioh. DateYutaka said: I'd expect better acting out of a "butchered" script adapted for Western audiences than from a stilted, ultra-literal subtitle script readthrough.to me its not bad acting its bad translating not actor gievn a Butchered scirpt can be excpted to act it well Zac said: What's better is how well the new lines are delivered; Hilary Haag and Chris Patton knock their performances out of the park. Clearly they have some talent for comedy and it shines more in material written for an American audience rather than the usual eye-roll-inducing Japanese-style comedy so prevalent in other anime. It's fascinating to see how well these actors can perform when they're either ad-libbing or reading lines that weren't meant to be said in a different language; the result is a very fluid and extremely funny dub experience that's not to be missed. LogicalInjustice said: I don't know about MonoSubs, but since HorribleSubs and BakedFish present the exact same subs that official localization companies produce, they prove that official companies' work is quite popular, or at least not unacceptable enough to justify waiting for fan edits of those subs, let alone original fanmade translations.At least it would show that people are largely interested in it. Look at what groups such as HorribleSubs. Bakedfish, and MonoSubs. |
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| Anime isn't as profitable as other media, so they tend to put less effort. Dubs have been improving a lot as of late, though. |
leNerd said: The worst part is when it starts fucking up in your media player. I use De-interlacing and sometimes my Subtitles get messed up [out of sync] and they also eat more CPU than audio does.Another day, another dub hate thread. I watch eveything that has a dub dubbed, simply because i dislike reading subtitles. It makes the experience less relaxing and less immersive for me. As for dub quality i think most of this is just circlejerk. Some few, but not the majority BY FAR, of dubs are horrible. The vast majority (for example most funimation dubs) are nothing special but just fine, and some dubs are better than the original (For example i liked the german dub of Chuunibyou more than the one episode i watched subbed) Also Greg Ayres for president! |
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