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Jun 25, 2016 3:41 PM
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I really loved the ending. This is not the best anime but it's def on my top 50 at least, the ending was a bit predictable and I was honestly waiting for a death, my bets where on Katsuhira or Nori dying after Nori's redemption, well, I was proved wrong!

Those flash backs, the subtitle symbolism between the images and some of the MC's words were simply beautiful.

Ultimately "Kiznaiver" shined where it promised to shine, it's a beautiful story about bonds, about how they can easily be formed and how they can easily be broken, about friendship and of course about letting go.

I'm just sad that at the end there was no kiss, which would have made that scene more memorable - I blame Eastern culture for that. But I'll never forget that robotic conversation between Kachan and Nori-chan and how funny yet cute they looked while sharing their thoughts.
 
Jun 25, 2016 3:51 PM
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Well at least it looks pretty
 
Jun 25, 2016 3:52 PM

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Well it was surprisingly a decent finale. I still feel this is Kiznaiver: the animation of common sense friendship dynamics. And I can't shake that now at the end.

Personally that little remark is the main detraction from the show. Can't help but feel all the revelation is so common sense when building relationships is the topic that it makes the whole show scream duuuuuhhhhhhh. But I guess what makes this story work is it is a collection of odd balls who are either socially inept or are unknowingly selfish.

Beginning was good, everything up the finale escalated up to a struggle to watch, and the finale did a good job wrapping up this original tale.

I'll give it to Trigger that they aren't afraid to do "new" things and for the most part are pretty successful at doing them. It's a big plus that everyone loves their style. The pairings at the end were welcomed, everyone seemed to mature, and all is happy. Not a great show but a fairly decent one.
 
Jun 25, 2016 3:55 PM
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How the fuck did Sonozaki and Katsuhira ended up in the hospital when they're both seemly fine after getting out of the water?
 
Jun 25, 2016 4:15 PM

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This isn't the best Spring 2016 Anime but it definitely is my favorite. I just felt real connected to this anime somehow so I may have liked it more than I should've. It was one hell of a roller coaster ride. I'm so glad my OTP was able to keep on sailing Honoka x Yuta FTW!!! My Chidori x Kacchon ship though... And Nico-chan FFS! I mean I'm glad she was happy in the end but urgh. I think the Nico x Hisomu ship gets to sail after all.

I'm quite sure I didn't make a mistake in giving it a 9/10 rating. It's a rather unique anime for me (like Mayoiga which was a train wreck I enjoyed watching from beginning to end). I was able to sympathize with every character (yes, even their asshole of a teacher; he just wanted to get results). I know when the characterization is a failure when I fail to sympathize with the characters.

Definitely my favorite Spring 2016 Anime
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Jun 25, 2016 4:17 PM

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How the fuck did Sonozaki and Katsuhira ended up in the hospital when they're both seemly fine after getting out of the water?
They looked fine to you? Bwahahahaha they became red AF from the impact. I'm quite sure that was painful for them.
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Jun 25, 2016 4:23 PM

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Well, I thought that was a nice ending and I liked the episode and all, but I'm a little disappointed with how this episode went at the same time.

In any case, I'll give this a 7. I enjoyed this anime overall. :)
 
Jun 25, 2016 4:37 PM

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"Kimochi ii", this ain't no hentai, Katsuhira

5/10
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Jun 25, 2016 4:54 PM
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Ha the majority of people are talking bad against the show. Kinda funny because I'm usually the person doing that because the majority of anime I've watched have had bad endings in my opinion and this was one was perfect. I loved it. 10/10 bitches. I shipped Agata and Sonozaki from the beginning while everyone else is hating on them. I was hating on Chidori but I'm glad she turned herself around, shes still annoying though...
 
Jun 25, 2016 5:30 PM

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Let me ask this question for you all...

In your opinion, was Chidori able to redeem herself with these 2 last episodes?

In my opinion, yes, I apreciated the fact that she realised her own selfishness and beggan trying to move foward by doing stuff such as helping her crush save his crush (lol that sentence). In the end, all I can say is that I liked was they have done with her character, and yes, it could've been better, but it was good enough for the time spam they had to work with...IMO of course...
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Jun 25, 2016 5:42 PM

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Actually saw an interesting article about how Kiznaiver portraits homosexuality ( the situation around Honoka and Ruru ) as an disease or death itself and how the show tries to sell you heterosexuality as the answer or "medicine" to it.

I think the lacking development/backstory about the characters like the here mentioned Honoka gave fuel to opinions like those. While I can see where this person is coming from I doubt Mari herself or the staff had any intention to do such a jab.
 
Jun 25, 2016 6:42 PM
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im glad Luluco and Nova made a cameo appearance in this show lol

and glad i was wrong then that Sonozaki have no control on how to let go of others feelings, so i thought she was gonna die or sacrifice herself on this last episode to give back the emotions she absorbs from others but lol it looks like talk therapy is all its needed for her to let go of all the emotions of others

nice series overall
 
Jun 25, 2016 7:11 PM
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idk i was pretty satisfied with the ending. but the anime overall, not so much. i still enjoyed it though
 
Jun 25, 2016 7:47 PM

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I really liked this one, except for the last two episodes. The last two were a 7/10 but for the other episodes I give it a 9.

 
Jun 25, 2016 7:56 PM

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Sonozaki ended up being the worst character in this anime in my opinion. She was a psychopath and all it took was Katsuhira to say "give me my pain back"...AGAIN
To develop 2 maybe 3 of the characters and then shift the attention to Sonosaki planed sucked in my opinion.

Still a great series, and it produced some great characters, Nico, Honoka, and Hisomu were fantastic.
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Jun 25, 2016 8:00 PM

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Lol Sonozaki saving Agata instead xD.
Yuta x Honoka confirmed.

Well it was a nice ride while it lasted.

8/10
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Jun 25, 2016 8:04 PM

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this show was okay, had a interesting premise but was poorly done and was surrounded by love triangles and bad teen drama.

7/10 just because the show looks so damn crisp and clean~
 
Jun 25, 2016 8:15 PM

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Not my favorite Anime for this season but it had its good points, mainly animation-wise.

I have more negative things to say about it than positive but the last few episodes were a bit better.
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Jun 25, 2016 8:29 PM
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Anime was pretty good,I'm still interested if Chidori got over Katsuhira.
Anime is 9/10 for me I like whole series but ending was bit off,feels like they've rushed it cause they made 12 episode anime.13-14 episodes would've been nice,but cause it's not coming I'm expecting at least some OVA,but I would like more 2nd season or movie.
 
Jun 25, 2016 8:30 PM

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Fappa said:
Actually saw an interesting article about how Kiznaiver portraits homosexuality ( the situation around Honoka and Ruru ) as an disease or death itself and how the show tries to sell you heterosexuality as the answer or "medicine" to it.


I'm sorry, but that just seems to be trying too hard to see something that's not there. Was there even any point in the show where someone said the girl's feelings were "wrong"? In fact, Honoka's arc tells us that she didn't respond to Ruru's feelings simply because she was scared to get hurt when she'd die, and Ruru's last message to Maki was completely positive. Doesn't sound like there's any need for medicine there.
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Jun 25, 2016 8:33 PM

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Nice finale, can't say best anine of the season, but still its a good anime and I'm sure a lot like this anime. Can be recommend but not for everyone. The concept is good, the characters are likeable, the development isn't great though. Felt bland in some episodes but still its relevant to the story. Appreciated and enjoyed the anime. 7/10
 
Jun 25, 2016 8:34 PM

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I had semi-high hopes for this series, but it never delivered what I was hoping, thus my overall disappointment with it.... A neat concept that never reached (or was developed to reach) its full potential, imo.

I’d be lying if I say that I didn’t enjoy some of the character interactions and their unfold drama. The series never hit me in the heart and the pairings weren't of my liking, but it was still enjoyable to some degree. The ending felt rush though.

5/10

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Jun 25, 2016 8:38 PM

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i like this show and the ending too

sonozaki is very cute girl , i like her and the ed song is beautiful too

9/10
 
Jun 25, 2016 8:41 PM

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I guess it deserves a 5/10 as I managed not to drop it. I would explain why, but the reviews to this anime are already spot on, I have nothing to add.
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Jun 25, 2016 8:53 PM

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I ended up liking Sonozaki x Kacchon anyway. Tbh I did ever since she said "I love you, too, Kacchon" in the previous episode.

Honoka too seme for Yuta, I like it B)

And I guess Tenga x Chidori has some chance, and I'm okay with it. and Nico is too damn nice. Why is she such a good person too precious

The last Nori x Agata scene was good, Nori is pretty aggressive. Also her smile is back <3 I like ships with girls like that

Hmmm I'm not sure about the rating tbh. It's 7/10 I guess. but I kinda like this ending and would like to rate it a bit higher... Okay I will overrate it for now and change the score later if I deem it suitable. Good ending.
 
Jun 25, 2016 8:56 PM

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Thank god it's over.

To be honest, I had a lot of high hopes for this show. The premise showed a lot of potential paths it could have taken, and it did not take any of the good ones. If they had chosen a different director and scriptwriter, maybe it would have been better? It was okay, but not as good as it could have been. Take out the unnecessarily forced romance, Chidori melodrama, badly written scenarios and put in a plot, and it'll be better than what it was.

At the very least, it was pretty to look at most of the time.

6/10
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Kiznaiver is a show that wants to be very profound, striking and complex, yet ends up being merely fake-pretentious with forced melodrama, typical Okada character writing and no real plot in sight. It uses the premise to forcefully have characters interact and have FEELS and problems, but it does not feel natural.

Because the show's understanding of "psychology", "emotions" and "relationships" is very juvenile and under-developed to the point that you could convince me they were thought up by 12 year old highschooler emo girl who writes edgy poems on tumblr.

You just summed up my problems with this show. They really needed to consult with an actual psychologist to get this shit to be convincing enough.
 
Jun 25, 2016 9:22 PM

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Sonozaki ended up being the worst character in this anime in my opinion. She was a psychopath and all it took was Katsuhira to say "give me my pain back"...AGAIN
To develop 2 maybe 3 of the characters and then shift the attention to Sonosaki planed sucked in my opinion.

lmao. I COULDN'T AGREE MORE. smh

Same Nico. SAAAAAMEEEE!

Nokia-chan's so dumb that she doesn't know what EMPATHY is and thinks that it's all about that dumb Kizna system. AARGGHH!

Ending was pretty mehh. The last few eps were really disappointing. The show was good up to the Honoka Arc. Easily a 5/10 but I'm gonna give it a +1 because my SHIPS SAILED beches!! MUHAHAHAA <3

I can't believe that my Shipping chart is accurate af, except for my NOtp. woaah! haha

Anyway, OMG! I'm so happy that my best OTP SAILED TO THE CANON SHORES!! YAASSSS! Yuta x Maki FTW!


AIN'T THAT SWEET AND ADORBS AND CUTE AF?!! AAAAuuguUGHUUHAAGGGGGHHH!! <3 My shipper heart is happy ♥ huhuhu

So she keeps thinking about him eh? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


And last but not the least, the broken hearted girl and her guy bestfriend. *WINK WONK* ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) I see where that's heading.


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Jun 25, 2016 9:29 PM

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I don't know how they did it but they ended it in the best way possible, the ending was perfect.
I am not sad that Chidori hasn't stayed with Katsuhira, he really likes Sonozaki and as it seems she is feeling something for Tenga xD
Tenga is actually a very nice guy ahahah
And let's not forget about this smile xD



In the end, i can definitely say that Niko was one of the best characters.
Katsuhira's friends are recovering, that's so good to know that they managed to save them. So happy omg xD
Oh almost forgot, what Honoka told to Yuta, was super funny ahahahaha his reaction was precious.
I couldn't be happier with such a great ending.
It was a good run, 8/10.

Oh and let's not forget about the best squad ;)



P.S - we must protect those smiles ;)
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Jun 25, 2016 9:32 PM

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Nice finale and wrap up. I'd like to see another season focusing on relationship development with none of the supernatural nonsense.
7.75/10
 
Jun 25, 2016 9:37 PM

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I'm going to go against what seems to be the popular opinion and say that I thought both this episode and the entire series was simply amazing and the story while not the main focus was great, the focus of the show were the characters and they were well handled and developed beautifully
Do not want a season two as this doesn't need one and sadly sales aren't good.
But in myopinion:
10/10
 
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Fappa said:
Actually saw an interesting article about how Kiznaiver portraits homosexuality ( the situation around Honoka and Ruru ) as an disease or death itself and how the show tries to sell you heterosexuality as the answer or "medicine" to it.

I think the lacking development/backstory about the characters like the here mentioned Honoka gave fuel to opinions like those. While I can see where this person is coming from I doubt Mari herself or the staff had any intention to do such a jab.

That is literally the stupidest thing I've ever heard...... I mean it's obvious she liked Ruru but there is such a thing as liking other men and woman.... not trying to hate on you but yeah that's stupid.
 
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I'm going to go against what seems to be the popular opinion and say that I thought both this episode and the entire series was simply amazing and the story while not the main focus was great, the focus of the show were the characters and they were well handled and developed beautifully
Do not want a season two as this doesn't need one and sadly sales aren't good.
But in myopinion:
10/10


i agree with your points even though i only scored this an 8/10

this show is really a character driven story so it really focuses on character development of every one of them so it has a lot of drama, a strong and engaging plot is not really the focus at all
 
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SakurasouBusters said:
I'm going to go against what seems to be the popular opinion and say that I thought both this episode and the entire series was simply amazing and the story while not the main focus was great, the focus of the show were the characters and they were well handled and developed beautifully
Do not want a season two as this doesn't need one and sadly sales aren't good.
But in myopinion:
10/10


i agree with your points even though i only scored this an 8/10

this show is really a character driven story so it really focuses on character development of every one of them so it has a lot of drama, a strong and engaging plot is not really the focus at all

I'm glad someone agrees with me, and an 8/10 is a fine score, I'm just getting irritated with all the 4s and 5s talking about how bad the plot was.
 
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I think the ending was good for the time allotted.

In my opinion, I think it would've been better as like an extended 45-50 minute special episode. Since I think they only real "rushed" part was the finale finale after the bridge scene.

Though for the time constraints it wasn't bad. And the didn't rush the post bridge scene with an inexplicable time skip where all of a sudden everyone is in a good place. They continued the next scene basically right after the bridge incident. Everyone was still basically getting their footing back; Kacchon and Nori weren't even out of the hospital, the kids from the first experiment are now just beginning to regain a normal sense of functionality. Tenga and Chidori are working things out between them while Chidori and Nico are still trying to get past those last emotional hurdles.

I'm glad they didn't just go "...6 months later..." and boom everybody is all a happy-go-lucky and back to 100%.

Idk, this show gets like a 9/10 from me though. I know it seems like a lot of people were a bit let down of disappointed by the end of the show. Maybe it's just me, but I felt like I just understood exactly what direction Trigger was trying to take with this show and what kind of things they were trying to portray, and it just kind of clicked with me and I thought they did a good job with it.
 
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This was an enjoyable anime for me from start to finish.
Sure it had its flaws, but it was nowhere as bad as Mayoiga.
This was my favorite anime this season, so I'm very sad to see it go.
I loved all the characters individually, and when they hurt I hurt.
Great anime, 9/10 for me.
I hope this anime gets licensed, so I can get it for myself.
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Fappa said:
Actually saw an interesting article about how Kiznaiver portraits homosexuality ( the situation around Honoka and Ruru ) as an disease or death itself and how the show tries to sell you heterosexuality as the answer or "medicine" to it.


I believe the person who wrote the article got the wrong message.
If someone wanted to show me that heterosexuality was the way, I would watch an anti-gay commercial.
 
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Finally, it ended! Well for me it's a good anime with good characters and nice idea of the story.

After seeing this last episode, i started to ship Katsuhira x Chidori (again). Because the way Katsuhira saved Sonozaki reminds me of the way Chidori confessed to Katsuhira in episode 1.. Yeah, i think they're have some similarities..

I give 7/10 for this show.

Ah, Hisomu is the best character for me (because he is very wise and mature), while my personal best girl is Chidori, though Nico is good too.
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Jun 25, 2016 10:26 PM

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Decent ending. This show wasn't what I thought it would be but I was content with how things played out. Maybe I was expecting too much.

Best girl Nico is left out of the love situation at the end. :( 7/10 series
 
Jun 25, 2016 10:33 PM
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Sequels aside, I honestly think it is my favorite new show this season but I am not that too fond with its presentation of the Kizna experiment. Ugh.

A 6/10 show at best.

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Jun 25, 2016 10:40 PM

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Honoka x Yuta was by far the best couple.

Second best Couple was only show in last episode, sadly xD



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Jun 25, 2016 10:47 PM

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Like three times Nori tried jumping off something... I don't 100% understand what happened at the end but hey, it works, I guess. I'm just glad to see the ships come together at the end. And it was also nice to end the series with Nori's smile, contrasting the one she had in Kachon's flashback.
 
Jun 25, 2016 11:02 PM

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Well, that was... okay. I didn't love it, but it definitely didn't live up to the hype. The only things I really ended up liking were YutaxMaki sailing and Nico's development. And Hisomu was a pretty interesting character too. But Nico was annoying at first, but grew to be much more likeable in my opinion. She's a lot better than most high school girls at least. And the YutaxMaki scene was pretty damn cute. That's all that I really have to say.

Probably a 7/10 for me.


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Amazing in its own way. I found its ideas to be basic, but inherently powerful, and they are explored pretty beautifully, with deliberate framing, creative shot compositions, incidental character dialogue and interactions. Despite the nonsensical science fiction segments, Kiznavier feels awfully human to me.

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Above average finale. Agata got his feelings back, Nori-chan finally lets all the pain go and most likely will try to connect with others by normal means. The children from the past also got their emotions/pain back and is starting to act normal again. All the ships have sailed as well. FULL ENDING SONG! Yay! I loved the ED to this show a lot. It's up there with Re:Zero's ending song and Kabaneri's.

Nori-chan finally smiles and it was cute, but how is she not in trouble? She practically held a city hostage by attempting to force the Kizna system onto them....She also turned off the city's power and destroyed a bridge. Oh well.

This series was fun to watch, finale was rushed and it was hard to root for Katsuhira and Sonozaki considering they had a personality of a brick.

A generous 8/10 for the concept of the Kizna, the comedy of the 1st half, the soundtrack was great and I really enjoyed Honoka's story. Some of the dramatic moments in this show was a hit or miss for me.

I was also able to connect to the characters in this finale! Except I wouldn't want to be friends with any of them...except for Nico. She was great.



 
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This was such a good episode, especially the second half. This is the second best anime of this season

While the story was alittle bit messy at times, the characters made this anime a gem. This is one of the best executed anime when it comes to character development.

I give it a 8/10

Gonna miss hearing the Opening and ED songs for this anime as well :S
 
Jun 25, 2016 11:39 PM

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Nico best girl didn't win.... boooooo. It was so corny tbh lol. 5/10
 
Jun 25, 2016 11:57 PM
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the only shipping I approve is Honoka x Yuuta. Nori-chan should have died for the tragic value, Kacchon gets with Chidori and Tenga goes with Neko.
overall 7/10 and please no need for season 2 nor spin-offs. A fan-service OVA is welcomed though.

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For a scenario who came very late into play, they sure tried hard to end it decently (not that I had any interest in it). The bridge scene was pretty and felt less theatrical than the "famous" rain scene, pretty good despite Sonozaki's lack of repartee.
The epilogue looked kind of stupid thanks to the sudden useless pairings of friends in an episode who was so focused on friendship.
3/5


Visually appealing. Overdramatizing egocentric ~15year old characters discovering empathy and friendship. No actual story (they just tried too late to make one to "fix" the series).
Score: 5/10

I am glad this didn't come out when I was in middle or high-school, I would have hated the show for the lost investment. But as a TV/simulcast show, I am able to have only disdain for it.


@Fappa I hope that means Trigger people will come up with the story themselves on their original projects (rather than commissioning some over-present independent writer). On the other hand, a big failure leads to money losses and it could lower their abilities.
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couples formed in the end.. everything settled.. and I still feel bad for NIco
 
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Well, it was about as good as I could expect, I guess. I probably didn't care for it as much because I just didn't care about Sonozaki, as Nico put it, "no matter how tragic she is". I still ended up loving most of the supporting cast, however, which made it a little more disappointing that we didn't get much more interaction out of them during this final arc (though we did get a few great moments at the end). And still a little disappointed we didn't find out more about Hisomu or even Tenga's backgrounds. But from a personal standpoint, there was also a lot of things I enjoyed about this series (including that amazing OP) so at the end of the day it'll probably be a 7 from me.
 
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