What's "the best" shoujo manga? Does Dengeki Daisy truly deserve the top shoujo spot on MAL?
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It doesn't really matter what the best is because niche fans will always blindly vote anything that satisfied their criteria.
Why is Junjou Romantica in the top 100 anime of MAL? That was terrible. You sit anyone who is not a yaoi fan and let them watch it and they will cringe at how cheesy it is and how poorly written are the story and characters.
But about 4000 yaoi fangirls will beg to disagree. Seriously, go look at the stats.
Dengeki Daisy never appealed to me, which is why I haven't read it, but the best shoujo I've read to date must have been Fruits Basket.
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Who pays attention to shoujo manga?
Curiously, shoujo manga for men is surprisingly rather entertaining.
I agree; shounen manga can be a lot of fun.
I see what you did thar.
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Yorokobu said:I'd probably say Fruits Basket myself. It has this sort of timeless story that's really appealing to people who don't even read much manga to begin with. I know quite a few people who read Fruits Basket that pretty much never have anything to do with manga or anime, ever. And they love it! It's one of the first series I ever read, and one of the longest I've read to date. I've completely reread it several times, and it still made me laugh and cry. There are are so many characters and so many storylines weaving in and out, with each being resolved in the two volume finale. Fruits Basket is just on a whole different scale.
Fruits Basket was my favorite series for a long, long time. What can I say - I'm a veterinary student and I like cute manga'd animals. Of course, the inspiring and likeable cast certainly helps matters. You can imagine my dilemma, then, when a couple of months ago, I read a series and thought, "I might actually like this better than Fruits Basket, which has been my favorite for years." I still go back and forth about which one I actually like better, but both of these series get an intense amount of love from me.
It's not my actual favorite shoujo manga, however. That would be Cat Street, but that's more of a personal decision. I identified with the manga ridiculously much. It's not a school romance story and instead deals with a teenage girl who is a hikikomori suffering from social anxiety disorder. The story follows her opening up to people again and finding her own place in society. I love it to death. <3
Yorokobu said:...I would not start there. D: It's a little much. Doushitemo Furetakunai is a lot more low-key and something you could appreciate without ever really reading too much yaoi, or being very interested in the genre (the author has an even tamer one shot - Kanjou Spectrum that's very sweet, but has a high school setting verses an office setting). Kyuuso wa Cheese no Yume wo Miru is a bit harder to identify with. Personally, I like the author's shoujo stuff more - After School Nightmare is another top notch shoujo series and Kuro Bara Alice a wonderfully gothic take on vampires.
Junjou Romantica does seem to have a ridiculously high score despite what you said, so it makes me all the more curious. I was thinking about starting with Kyuuso wa Cheese no Yume wo Miru anyway, because apparently it's nothing short of "teh awesome" (as yaoi fans would have you believe).
I see Skip Beat! is the second highest shoujo series. I'm pleasantly surprised by that. It's a very hilarious series with a very strong lead.
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YoungVagabond said:This has got to be one of the worst plot elements ever. It's pretty much never has any lasting damage on the victim either, which has got to be some of the most rage inducing things ever. Though the best is when the girl gets blamed somehow. And it's not limited to Japan. The worst offender I've ever come across is 100% Perfect Girl - a manhwa that starts out great and becomes ridiculous with the amount of attempted rapes. I just want it to end already. Rape is also extremely prevalent in yaoi, which is also aimed at females. I just don't get it.
Yorokobu said:I remember being very shocked and taken out of the story when I realized how many attempted rapes there are in shoujo works. Unlike violence, rape is not a pleasant thing to witness or even contemplate in any medium, and that it's frequently put in a light-hearted comic for little girls speaks volumes about standards in Japan.
Yeah, violence in a lighthearted shoujo is certainly misplaced, but there is a very fine line here. For example, one of the most common cliches is the "attempted rape but the guy saves the day at the last minute" sort of situation.
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Yorokobu said:You definitely wouldn't like Kyuuso wa Cheese no Yume wo Miru then. Shounen-ai would be more you're cup of tea, but you hardly need to force yourself to read BL, there are plenty of shoujo out there.
Ok, I took your advice and went for it. I read all of Doushitemo Furetakunai and... erm... I'm not sure how I feel about it:
It would be quite hypocritical for me to dislike it based on an "unrealistic romance," since I like other series with unrealistic romances, but some of it was just a bit too much. Actually, the fact that it was two men instead of a man and a woman wasn't really what bothered me. It's just that I felt some of the drama was a little overdone. I can appreciate the "fear of loving someone because of the fear of losing them" element, but that's as deep as it got for me.
One story element that I hate, which unfortunately is probably present in a lot of yaoi stories, is the flippant use of sex. Realistically speaking, there ARE many people out there who just have sex randomly, without any sort of emotional attachment to the person, but no one pretends to write poignant and epic love stories about them. This is just a personal preference, but I MUCH prefer the stories where love grows somewhat gradually, and only after the relationship is built do they do the deed. I mean, they don't have to wait years or anything, there just has to be at least SOME evidence of an emotional connection there. I will give this series some time, however, before finally deciding on what I think. Overall, it was an interesting read.
Truthfully, finding good romances on the longer side is pretty hard. They tend to grow stale if now done right. Of course when they are done right, it is epic. I'm pretty use to shorter series though since I like reading completed things. I've already got too many things on hold because they're still being published. D:
Yorokobu said:If you don't enjoy the type of humor in Skip Beat! you'll probably not ever really get into the series. The humor is the main driving force of the series - 151 chapters in and that hasn't changed. Maybe if you're in the mood for it you'll enjoy it more. Skip Beat! has a lot of people that don't really like it. I really was surprised to see it so high up.
I'm having a little bit of a hard time getting into Skip Beat. It's funny occasionally and does have an interesting lead, but it's slow in the first several chapters. One of my good friends in real life just loves it to death, though, so I'll probably keep reading it so we can discuss it later. Such is life.
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Overall I don't think romance gets better then Densha Otoko.
But is the shoujo manga version of it any good? Better than Dengeki Daisy? Doubt it's as good as the original... and well, the original is kinda creepy too.
Yorokobu said:Eh, Doushitemo is an example of something good at the mediocrity of a genre (so maybe it's like DD from what you say?). If you really want to try something, go for authors that write in other genres as well (this applies for all genres imo). They are less mired in stereotypes/common plot devices found within the genre. For BL, try Yamashita Tomoko (started seinen, went BL, does josei too). For something really unique, try Nakamura Asumiko (BL, josei, seinen, good oneshots) or basso (BL, josei, seinen, general slice of life). If you hate all their works, then you can safely say you don't like some of the best the BL genre has to offer. :)
Ok, I took your advice and went for it. I read all of Doushitemo Furetakunai and... erm... I'm not sure how I feel about it
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Eh, Doushitemo is an example of something good at the mediocrity of a genre (so maybe it's like DD from what you say?). If you really want to try something, go for authors that write in other genres as well (this applies for all genres imo). They are less mired in stereotypes/common plot devices found within the genre. For BL, try Yamashita Tomoko (started seinen, went BL, does josei too). For something really unique, try Nakamura Asumiko (BL, josei, seinen, good oneshots) or basso (BL, josei, seinen, general slice of life). If you hate all their works, then you can safely say you don't like some of the best the BL genre has to offer. :)
Oh, I see. Doushitemo wasn't terrible, but I guess I wasn't particularly interested in that kind of story. Actually, thanks for taking the time to give me some recommendations. I'll try and read some stuff from those authors before I definitively say whether I like it or not. In fact, some of my favorite mangas are ones that I would've never read on my own, but that friends insisted that I read. I try to keep a somewhat open mind about such things :o
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^ Sadder than being in the 700s (seriously!) is when you see all the terrible stuff that tops it on the list. I know the list is pretty b.s., but come on! At least in the top 500 and not have it be lower than the likes of The Wallflower, Special A, Vampire Knight, etc., please.
Back to the topic. I like Dengeki Daisy but I don't think it deserves to be the top shoujo on the list. There's definitely more to the plot than a lot of shoujo manga I have read but it has yet to excite me for more than a passing moment. I would rather something like The Glass Mask, Banana Fish, Bara no Tameni, and a few others I don't want to bother mentioning, at the top spot.
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