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Starisametaphor said: ernst said: in shounen every villains have a cease fire while MC is thinking of a plan to defeat them. Once the MC is done they attack which obviously fail bcuz they let the MC think of a plan. It is not always thinking up of plans though sometimes there will be flashbacks. Basically shounen fights are shit and thinking is a free action. Sure, a lot of shounen fights have this concept, but in regards to this particular fight that happened, there was an actual reason for their hesitance. Logically speaking, people don't jump in the unknown--so to speak--without trying to find out what they're dealing with. It's a sure way to get yourself killed. same goes with both side but the villains are ready on stand by while the MC team just got there confused what's going on. They wasted a chance to attack while the heroes are in a confusion. They have the sure advantage, they wasted it by being indecisive. Also they know what they are dealing with, confused separated panicking heroes. The heroes don't. |
ernstJun 6, 2016 5:37 AM
| "Why do I always realize it... when I've already lost it..." -Guts, Berserk "Some things are beautiful because they cannot be obtained." -Gilgamesh, Fate/stay night "We are constantly living in a peaceful world that somebody else won for us. Even if it were only a day of peace, I will be grateful for its value." - Minashiro Tsubaki, FAFNER "Screw you, future me!" -Makise Kurisu, Steins;Gate "We used to show off by waging wars and whatnot." -Watashi, Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita "Call me Moses. I'm going to part the sea of students before your eyes." -Moses?, Valvrave "Time is guilty." -Andō & Tomoyo, INOU-Battle |
Starisametaphor said: That is PRECISELY my problem with the episode:Did you watch the episode? It wasn't the change of plan that didn't work; it's Deku's tactics that became their downfall. LoneWizard said: Stop for 1 milisecond and think,what this LoneWizard guy saying and why am i counterargumenting him...If your plan is seperating enemy AND WAITING,DOING NOTHING until they come up with a plan of their own,im sorry but that plan is plain bad... ernst said: Finally someone understand...It was bad for my sanity...I was almost convinced that those villains were geniuses and they did the best thing...*phew*same goes with both side but the villains are ready on stand by while the MC team just got there confused what's going on. They wasted a chance to attack while the heroes are in a confusion. They have the sure advantage, they wasted it by being indecisive. Also they know what they are dealing with, confused separated panicking heroes. The heroes does not. |
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| Pretty epic and fantastic episode! The first half's art was very inconsistent but I guess they were saving that for the action scenes... Loved the voice of frog girl, ball boy, and the mousedogbear principal. Excellent OST too. 5/5 |
| Finally some action! Too bad this show has 13 episodes. Hope for s2 though. |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
| I was excited in the beginning but it was too shounen for my tastes. these mid-fighting conversations simply don't work well in animated medium. The pace and passage of time was all over the place. The manga is probably very good but the anime sometimes frustrates me. |
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ernst said: Starisametaphor said: Sure, a lot of shounen fights have this concept, but in regards to this particular fight that happened, there was an actual reason for their hesitance. Logically speaking, people don't jump in the unknown--so to speak--without trying to find out what they're dealing with. It's a sure way to get yourself killed. same goes with both side but the villains are ready on stand by while the MC team just got there confused what's going on. They wasted a chance to attack while the heroes are in a confusion. They have the sure advantage, they wasted it by being indecisive. Also they know what they are dealing with, confused separated panicking heroes. The heroes don't. The point is that the villains don't know what they're dealing with . They're about to fight students who are strong and capable enough to be accepted in the greatest superhero academy ever. Saying they're confused or panicked is only an assumption. The villains are not aware of their confusion or panick. If they are capable enough to be accepted, who's to say there aren't students among them that know how to behave properly in a situation as to face villains; who's to say they were not confused and were not panicked? What the villains needed was certainty. Hence the observing--and when that proved not to bear fruit and the fact that they're running with a time limit, they attacked. But one would not know unless they tried. |
StarisametaphorJun 6, 2016 6:30 AM
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| Day 152 Midoriya Shounen still can't control his power... still kicks ass. |
| “Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's first law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth. But the world isn't perfect, and the law is incomplete..." -Alphonse Elric "Then and now, what I protect has never changed!" -Sakata Gintoki I'll take anything like The Pet Girl of Sakurasou. Anything as good as that. |
Ryuutobi said: Starisametaphor said: No, I don't forget but that's not the point. The point is that such large scale attack harms not only the enemies but everyone in the area of effects. Normally, the damage is irreversible as well. Todoroki is just a unique case. You don't normally find people with quirk like that because he really is the only one the world. Now, what if it's other boy like Kaminari that you mentioned in your previous post? He'd definitely electrocute his allies & there'd be no way for him to cancel the damage.Someone has forgotten he also has his fire quirk... Or the episode in which Todoroki has already proven that he is capable of freezing people and thawing it without hurting them (thought it were only their legs), during that lesson with All Might as their teacher for example. My example that you replied to was about Todoroki. In regards to a person with an electric quirk, yes, there is a possibility that his allies could get hurt. But then again, that was not what you were contending when you quoted my post about Todoroki, were you? Nor did I say that someone with an electric quirk wouldn't hurt their allies, but I did say Todoroki wouldn't and that point still stands. That's OOT anyway. We're supposed to discuss about the water villains' action against Deku & friends here. Had you properly watched & analyzed the whole action scene, you'd actually find that those villains actually had enough data to come up with a plan to crush them without fail. From the short fights that broke out before they boarded that ship, it's clear as day that the only one capable of fighting back underwater was the girl. The two boys were completely helpless & needed to be rescued by the girl. If only those thugs were not stupid, they should be able to use that fact to defeat the kids even without knowing their quirks in detail. With this part I do partly agree. Thinking back, before they boared the ship they had found out that the two boys were weak in water. In that aspect they could have used it to their advantage. But even so, with the abilities of the two boys yet unknown and the heroes grouped together, attacking them carelessly could still prove to work unfavorable. They could still prove to be dangerous and because of that, it's normal to hesitate and observe. |
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| This was a great episode. i really like how Deku can't fully control his power yet, but he's able to minimize the damage so he isn't completely useless after |
| I think you guys are overthinking this though. If I had to say anything on that matter is that the villains didnt care much since they had the advantage underwater and by the advantage of the number, they thought they would win no matter what quirks their opponents had. And even if they did destroy the ship Midoriya would probably still come up with the same plan. He just needed to know his allies' quirks. The villains lost simple as that. No point in ranting meaninglessly on it any longer imo. |
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Xaelbolg said: Starisametaphor said: The point is that the villains don't know what they're dealing with . They're about to fight students who are strong and capable enough to be accepted in the greatest superhero academy ever. Saying they're confused or panicked is only an assumption. The villains are not aware of their confusion or panick. If they are capable enough to be accepted, who's to say there aren't students among them that know how to behave properly in a situation as to face villains; who's to say they were not confused and were not panicked? What the villains needed was certainty. Hence the observing--and when that proved not to bear fruit and the fact that they're running with a time limit, they attacked. But one would not know unless they tried. But they don't know how strong the students are . Just because you get accepted into U.A doesn't mean you're strong. Look at Mineta. He has a useful quirk sure, but is he strong? I personally don't think so. What they do know on the other hand is that they're students and inexperienced. How long have they been enrolled in U.A? A few days? A week or two? A few weeks at most? The villains knew they haven't been in any real battles before until now, and that was to the villains' advantage. They had the element of surprise. The students were afraid and they had the advantage in numbers and they wasted their opportunity to strike and that directly caused them to lose. You mentioned something about an electricity quirk? If Midoriya, Tsu or Mineta had an electricity quirk then no amount of observation would have helped them at all since they could've just been zapped at any time. Why just wait for it to happen on a "maybe"? Now, one could argue "but if they attacked right away that could have caused them to lose too!" all they want but in this situation the best thing they could've done was attack right away since that's what an ambush is all about; striking first while the enemy is disorganized. Shoot first ask questions later. Whatever you want to call it. No one ambushes someone then stands still to observe and let them prepare even if you don't know if they're carrying a gun or a knife. Hence why LoneWizard said "Shounen logic". They don't know how strong the students are and that's the point. They don't know how strong they are. They don't know their quirks. That's why they hesitate and observe so they can. You claim that the villains know they are inexperieced, because they are new students, but being new students doesn't mean a lack of experience. We don't know their pasts or what they have dealt with; look at Bakugo who had an encounter with a villain. Who's to say the students on the boat hadn't had a similar experience and were able to hold their own? They don't know what they're dealing with. They're aiming to win and ambushing what they are unfamiliar with could prove to work against them. And that's the point. Also I didn't say they were strong, I said they were strong enough. 'Enough' implying that their abilites are good enough to cause worry. They have potential, they could be a threat; rather than that they are. |
StarisametaphorJun 6, 2016 8:04 AM
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| My god this anime is great, watched all 10 eps yesterday can't wait for the last few eps. The fight vs the villains is getting interesting |
| “If you win, you live. If you lose, you die. If you don’t fight, you can’t win.” |
ttcchen said: LoneWizard said: Not saying they should attack children without learning their quirks,i am saying they should attack the boat before learning children's quirks....because no mater what,their enemies being inside water instead of ON water would be advantegous for a water specialised villain team... and what if one of the kids has an electricity quirk? all of them would be toasted. One of the kids does have an electricity quirk |
| The principle was highly unexpected, really happy he stopped All Might though. Mineta is such an entertaining perv and cry baby. Tsu is pretty awesome too -w- |
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refael9190 said: I finally understand Tsuyu's hype. Best grill right there, that's for sure. This show has really picked up in the last few episodes. Too bad it's ending soon, but hopefully there's another season not too long in the future. She is also an honor student |
| Haven't read the manga just yet, but I'm struggling to find the villains intimidating so far. My only complaint at the moment. Nonetheless, another great episode. |
| aw! dang what a great episode, too bad its almost going to end, hoping for a next season very soon, I kinda like todoroki, he's quirk is really cool, I really want a more showcase of him. |
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| they don't know that. that's why they should be cautious. |
| Nice episode. Tsu is an interesting character. Mineta was funny. So they start fighting back. Next episode will be intense. |
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Xaelbolg said: Starisametaphor said: They don't know how strong the students are and that's the point. They don't know how strong they are. They don't know their quirks. That's why they hesitate and observe so they can. You claim that the villains know they are inexperieced, because they are new students, but being new students doesn't mean a lack of experience. We don't know their pasts or what they have dealt with; look at Bakugo who had an encounter with a villain. Who's to say the students on the boat hadn't had a similar experience and were able to hold their own? They don't know what they're dealing with. They're aiming to win and ambushing what they are unfamiliar with could prove to work against them. And that's the point. Also I didn't say they were strong, I said they were strong enough. 'Enough' implying that their abilites are good enough to cause worry. They have potential, they could be a threat; rather than that they are. And that caused the villains in the water to lose. If they had attacked or destroyed the ship right away they'd most likely have won since they'd have had the advantage in the water against all of them except Tsu, and Tsu wouldn't have been able to fight all of them off while protecting Midoriya and Mineta. Again, the whole point of an ambush is to take your opponents by surprise and use that surprise to your advantage by taking down your enemies as quickly and efficiently as possible before allowing the enemy to recuperate and counterattack. The best way to prevent them from using their quirks would have been to stay on the attack and not giving them any time to think; they had the advantage in numbers and their quirks thrived in water. This is a fact. Do you claim that the ones on the boat might have had an experience like Bakugo's? That's a very big stretch, and an even bigger assumption, if that's what you're claiming. Which is pretty funny since you accused someone else of assumptions earlier. Yeah, Bakugo had an encounter with a villain...where he was held captive. That doesn't even count as fighting much less experience as all he did was set off explosions in a desperate attempt to free himself. Bakugo has an aggressive and fearless (or at least he makes himself appear like he's fearless) personality as well as a powerful quirk, and he may have good instincts akin to that of a wild beast; that doesn't make him experienced though. That doesn't even make any sense. If they were aiming to win they would've stayed on the attack and destroyed the ship right away thus eliminating any opportunity for Midoriya and co to cook up a plan or use their quirks; not the opposite. Just because they have potential doesn't mean they shouldn't attack. They might be a threat, they might not be a threat. It doesn't matter when they had the advantage in the fight. Being too cautious could have the opposite effect. And the fact is that their cautiousness was a direct contribution to their defeat. This has been an interesting debate, the most interesting in a while in fact, but I honestly don't see any end to this. You believe what you want and I'll believe what I want. I don't think either of us is inherently right or wrong. I'll just amount this to Shounen logic. That's not an assumption, mind you, I said they could have had the same experience. Assuming is saying that they ''did'' have the experience, without having any facts to base a certain claim on. Aiming to win does not only require an attack. Claiming it doesn't make sense for them not to attack if they're aiming to win, is claiming that their decision to analyse the situation; observe their opponents, wasn't a means to winning. It could. It's the very reason one observes; to acquire knowlegde about their enemies' abilities and use that information in order to win. Attacking without knowing what your enemy can do, can very well backfire. Of course it's a risk, but so is breaking the boat when the abilities of your opponent are yet unknown. Of course them having potential doesn't mean they shouldn't attack and that wasn't what I was trying to claim, rather it's knowing that they have potential that one should be cautious. I agree that I find the point of view of everyone very interesting, too. I also agree with what someone else had said: the villains (should have at least) known that the two boys were weak in water and that only Tsu was the more capable one in water. Though I still hold vast that their hesitance because of the unknown abilities of the boys was justified, since they were still fighting against opponents with unknown abilities. |
StarisametaphorJun 6, 2016 11:07 AM
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niklas17 said: i think it is really funny reading how some are having a problem with the way these villains in the water attacked but no one was able to see the biggest flaw of all... first of all i am reading this manga since october 2014 when there were like 3-4 chapters translated and at the moment it is one of my favorite ones. i usually think it is not the best to think about every little thing too much because if you want to find flaws you will find them in every anime that exists. well maybe they didn't attack the boat earlier because a lot of the stronger quirks have their drawbacks like the one of izuku or ochako. that could be a reason why they didnt attack earlier and they hoped that the kids would just start attacking blindly. but i am sure that is enough of an explanation for you. ok then lets continue... explain me why should they even attack the children? their goal is to kill all might not more and not less. there is no need to fight the children in my eyes in the first place. if they want to kill some children so that all might will show up then there are enough so no need to use an attack that has some drawbacks so that they can attack especially this kids. but i am pretty sure that this is not enough to explain this for you but whatever i personally like fights where the characters think and bnha has characters that think if they are not 0-8-15 villains. and now i will say the biggest flaw in my opinion where i cant understand that no one noticed this before...like some said this is an ambush so why are they appearing right infront of the heroes? they knew that all might should be there and they wanted to kill him and i think it would be even better to appear here like 2-3 hours earlier and set up traps or something and then wait for all might. that would have increased their chances to kill all might much more. so i think it should be stopped to talk about such a small flaw in comparison to this big flaw. Well they weren't cautious enough. They thought the number game is enough to beat their opponents. Simple as that. :) |
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| Midoriya actually looked cool there |
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| It became intense pretty quickly. I didn't expect Aizawa to be so powerful. T-T Too had to wait another week to watch the next one |
| This episode was amazing, Aizawa fights were nice to watch, also the villains are really strong at least the major ones. Tsu(yu) is really cool frog power is damn neat man whats with this anime having so many cool girls in it? I can see now why people say its the new Naruto it really has the vibes of the first episodes. |
TheKingMitsui said: Haven't read the manga just yet, but I'm struggling to find the villains intimidating so far. My only complaint at the moment. Nonetheless, another great episode. Agreed. The heros have the plot shielding up, which is okay, but a 5-10 minute monologue about why they defeat All Might/What it means to be a hero all while 15 villains are just swimming and watching seems unrealistic. I know this isn't an anime based in reality but still, I'm having a hard time believing that wasn't just filler. All of the things that Deku was saying, we as viewers, already knew or could have pieced together in further on episodes. Personally I don't need things spelled out quite that much but I suppose some people enjoy it. All of that being said, I am enjoying this show. I love OP protagonists, underdogs even more so. It gives me all of those good feels. I just can't help but feel like they are filling time slots to hit their episode quota for the Spring season. I want to see some more "One for All" action. I know it will be coming, so I'm happy but I just hate waiting. |
Shradow115 said: SerB3128 said: Just recently started reading the manga, and really my only gripe about this episode is that I thought Mineta was done better in the manga for the whole end part. there was a lot of comedy there that I felt was lost a little bit in the anime. Really? I got the opposite effect, seeing all his screaming and crying and freaking out throwing his sticky balls animated made it funnier for me. Plus his VA is on point. I agree his VA is great! For me personally the manga just made it so dramatic and I ended up laughing quite a bit, in the anime I didn't feel like it was as effective but that's just my opinion. IE http://i.imgur.com/I75c7pF.png the comparison between manga and anime. I thought it was really funny how it was drawn there, and I'm not saying it /wasn't/ funny in the anime, I just thought the manga was more amusing. It's just small things like that that I felt were better done in manga. Overall I loved the episode. |
| Tsuyu is actually pretty cute :3 And strong xD Great combo by Tsuyu-Izuku! The villains weren't even expecting this. Izuku is always so motivated!!! Love his courage. 3 episodes left, so it will probably end when they will defeat all the villains inside that building, so next episodes are promising :D |
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CC9ers said: I really don't get why this is doing so bad in Japan. It's easily in my top 3 this season alongside Re:Zero and Jojo. Epic soundtrack as usual, well-animated action, likeable characters, a true BONES color palette, great voice acting... Hopefully it does well enough to earn a second season at the very least. Maybe people see know why Tsuyu is best girl. She's just so likeable all-around, and Aoi Yuuki is absolutely killing it as her VA to make her character even better. Lol @ Mineta also. "For a frog, you have surprisingly large boobs". For everyone complaining about the villains chilling in the water and how it made no sense... The villains pretty much all had water-based quirks and were wanting to fight IN the water. Either Deku and co. would come fight them in the water or they would stay stuck on the boat- it's a win-win either way for the villains up until that one got impatient at least. Their only real mistake was that they didn't know a 16-year old hero would be able to come up with a good strategy to counterattack them. Aoi Yuki is still meh as Tsuyu, and garbage compared to Mamiko Noto as Yukako. JoJo also has better story, better characters(Okuyasu>All of Class A), and they havent introduced the main villain so far. As for the episode goes, enjoyable, best parts were Aizawa wrecking the villains, and Principal/AlMight chit chat. |
LoneWizard said: You didn't see when Deku explained why they stood there watching them Don't mind us...We will just watch you guys while you are having a niiice and long chat..."Shounen logic" atngone said: YupI see now why people were saying that Tsuyu is the best girl. Even though first half almost made me sleep last half was good...Nice teamwork... |
| Wow, Tsuyu-chan is really quite endearing :D Is it just me or are they missing / did not show two students? (the narcissist-type one and the invisible girl) |
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| Deku-Mineta team EPIC!!!! |
| That midget was really funny. That flick was overpowered |
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| They're really hitting the nail with Mineta. Love it! |
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| I loved Tsuyu in this episode, like a lot more than I thought I ever would like her in this show lol. End fight was pretty cool, and Eraserhead had an awesome fight scene as well. The middle was pretty stupid. I know they all had a reason to wait around, but the reason in itself is a dumb one. If that one guy could have trashed the boat by himself, I'd expect someone to get impatient in less than half the time it took and sink the thing. At least it was somewhat funny. 3.5/5 |
| For an action episode, it was a bit underwhelming... This part was definitely done better in the manga because: 1) Shigaraki speaks too softly 2) The place ended up looking not so big 3) A lot of image panning which doesn't convey a sense of action 4) Villains waiting for things to happen - the urgency and suspense is not there I liked the previous episodes better. |
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| Finally a episode with some village fights. Good episode. |
| A tad annoyed that this is only going to be 13 episodes. |
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