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Oct 5, 2016 7:52 PM
#1101
Deffenerst said: RottedRabbit said: I remember why I turned it on on MAL now. Ill keep it off just to support you but am I the only guy who doesnt like how russians look? haha lol I have never had those type of ADs in MAL , I have porn Advertisements in porn pages just as it should be ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Meanwhile in MAL I only have lolis with insane big tits or kawaii stuff ADs ,I turned off Adblock like 4 month ago but it's too much ADs for me . gonna enable it again :( I always get those as well, evri fecking tiem. |
Oct 8, 2016 12:28 PM
#1102
I re-enabled AdBlock on this site today after I was redirected to a semi-malicious webpage in the middle of writing a forum post. Lost all of what I had typed. Hadn't clicked on anything. This has happened a couple of times on the MAL homepage where it just redirects me on its own. When that doesn't happen anymore, I'll disable it again. I don't have a problem with MAL ads until they're directly interfering with my business. |
Oct 8, 2016 1:38 PM
#1103
Ari_the_Lioness said: Also, if they turn this site back into a LISTING site, you know a LISTING site that MyAnimeLIST was before, and get rid of all these damn streaming videos and other useless shit no one asked for then maybe then the server wouldn't be so expensive to host. Yes, somehow anidb works without any annoying ads. |
Oct 9, 2016 10:06 AM
#1104
I whitelisted mal because the new banner was kawaii & called me senpai =3 Frezlaj said: I don't know what is more annoying, the ads or those anti-adblock messages everywhere. Now I have to choose: ANN, AniDB, Anime-Planet, HummingBird or AniList. I've been using the internet since 2005 (around 10 years), if I clicked at least one ad per year it was too much, I can only remember clicking on ads two times in my whole life (of thousand, millions, I have seen). I bet that's why Google, for example, doesn't care about it and never did a campaign against adblockers, Google knows more than anyone that some people will never click anything they're not interested in, that's why YouTube allows we to use adblock freely. People who use adblock won't ever click on ads anyway, so let them in peace. Why I hate ads? Because they are useless for me, they're dead weights. I won't click not only because I'm afraid of viruses, spywares, trojans and adwares, I won't click because I'm not interested in. If I want something, I will search, I'll find by myself. I don't need advertising to discover new things. So, in the worst case, I would prefer to quit this site rather than disabling my adblocker. |
Oct 9, 2016 1:41 PM
#1105
niliyonca said: I whitelisted mal because the new banner was kawaii & called me senpai =3 Frezlaj said: I don't know what is more annoying, the ads or those anti-adblock messages everywhere. Now I have to choose: ANN, AniDB, Anime-Planet, HummingBird or AniList. I've been using the internet since 2005 (around 10 years), if I clicked at least one ad per year it was too much, I can only remember clicking on ads two times in my whole life (of thousand, millions, I have seen). I bet that's why Google, for example, doesn't care about it and never did a campaign against adblockers, Google knows more than anyone that some people will never click anything they're not interested in, that's why YouTube allows we to use adblock freely. People who use adblock won't ever click on ads anyway, so let them in peace. Why I hate ads? Because they are useless for me, they're dead weights. I won't click not only because I'm afraid of viruses, spywares, trojans and adwares, I won't click because I'm not interested in. If I want something, I will search, I'll find by myself. I don't need advertising to discover new things. So, in the worst case, I would prefer to quit this site rather than disabling my adblocker. Google doesn't need ads, they get paid to put sites at the top of specific search terms. |
Oct 10, 2016 3:15 AM
#1106
• What is your biggest complaint with MAL's advertisements? They're unrelated to the site content / ruin the mood. • Which aspect of MAL's ad experience do you think doesn't need improvement (i.e. is good as it is)? Their level of intrusiveness is fine. Not good. But fine. They don't overrun my music or flash hovering over the top of what I'm reading. • Are there any pages on MAL where you don't mind the ads? Are there any pages where you really mind them? No opinion on the matter, so long as they're consistent. • Would you prefer well-placed, in-content advertisements? Or advertisements on the top, sides, and end of the page? Static ads in the page design is the lesser evil. • Which kind of advertisements do you like to see? And conversely, don't? Ones that make sense in the context in which they are shown. Seems straightforward, but.. ya'know. Supporting anime and manga creators might also include advertising their stuff. The products of your partner Tokyo Otaku Mode. Maybe even education institutions offering art/voice-acting courses. Really just anything you could validly-claim has any relevance to the user-base of this site. • If there were an option to subscribe monthly/yearly (by paying money) to both hide advertisements and support MAL, would you? There is, at the time of writing, and I will. • Please let us know your country (or NA/EU/AS, if you don't want to say). Australia. • Any other comments/concerns/suggestions? Reddit is the only site I currently pay for and have my adblocker disabled on at the same time, with the setting set to still show ads. Why would I pay for a site to remove ads only to reenable them? Because I have a genuine interest in supporting that site, and all their ads are in-house and actually of use to me. I don't look away from them, I look at them. If AnimeLab had the option to show ads after paying, that'd be the second such case, because all their ads are for the physical releases of the things they stream, which helps their parent company, Madman, and is of immediate interest to the viewer. I pay for my membership to both mentioned sites annually, because I like the discount, and because I like the feeling that I'm helping secure a more sustainable future for the things that are a part of my daily life. Bear with me. There is a point to this story. I joined MyAnimeList yesterday. I am quick to observe and judge, and in this time I've already made a lifetime commitment to what you're trying to accomplish here. That means, when funds allow, I will commence becoming a MAL Supporter. Permanently. This is to lessen my guilt for cutting your operating income with my adblocker, and to secure your future, in some nigh-insignificant way. Not only that, I like your site so much I'm pretty sure I'll use it every day, and I've already told four people about it IRL since joining yesterday. People who watch anime. But why stop there? If the ads on this site were of use to me, I'd even keep them on after paying (if there was an option). You'd be getting my money, and money from the people you're advertising for. |
Oct 10, 2016 4:59 PM
#1107
Felkyr said: Ones that make sense in the context in which they are shown. Seems straightforward, but.. ya'know. Supporting anime and manga creators might also include advertising their stuff. The products of your partner Tokyo Otaku Mode. Maybe even education institutions offering art/voice-acting courses. Really just anything you could validly-claim has any relevance to the user-base of this site. One of the best things anyone's said in this entire thread. If MAL really thinks keeping ads is that important for the site, doing it in a way like this would be great for everyone involved. |
Oct 14, 2016 6:58 PM
#1108
Oct 25, 2016 4:56 AM
#1109
I keep getting redirect ads to where I have to click the back button to back to MAL, I've never used adblocking software for MAL, but I can't deal with this especially since most of the time its asking for a fake update download T_T. Having said this, I absolutely love the site and really appreciate everything that you guys do. I hope you can perhaps find a fix for the page redirects. |
Oct 25, 2016 5:00 AM
#1110
@articshadow561 Mobile or desktop? On all pages or only certain kinds (e.g. anime/forum/news)? And could you please tell me your country. |
Oct 25, 2016 11:14 AM
#1111
Kineta said: @articshadow561 Mobile or desktop? On all pages or only certain kinds (e.g. anime/forum/news)? And could you please tell me your country. Its on Desktop and it happens on main page and forumn pages and news pages when I don't even click anything. I've already checked my computer and do not have any adware. Also it only happens whilst browsing MAL. This is in the United States |
Oct 28, 2016 5:52 PM
#1112
Recently, anime pages have been trying to run Flash and load unsafe scripts. Thankfully I have both of these blocked in my browser, but I still don't appreciate MAL trying to load unsafe things like that. |
Oct 30, 2016 4:49 AM
#1113
You guys should really look at what Google is doing. There's a reason they don't try to get around adblock. By trying so forcefully to get around adblock and reload ads that fail to load, you're just going to drive your users away. |
Nov 3, 2016 2:12 PM
#1114
I'm on a Desktop running Firefox, I tried disabling my AdBlock for MAL over the last couple days I've noticed it makes the page lag horribly. The page is constantly refreshing because the ads change and many are video or flash based ads that just eat up bandwith. Many of these ads aren't relevant to the site, like auto ads and the like. I find this is pretty consistent through the entire site which is why I haven't filed any direct ad complaints. I think specialized banner ads that are not intrusive and don't run on scripts or flash based programs are better. It works out just fine for Anime News Network. I'm a subscriber there and I still keep my ad blocker off because their banner ads are actually relevant. |
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Nov 4, 2016 1:39 PM
#1115
I'll actually consider unblocking ads on here if 1) the ads are screened. 2) they aren't links that lead somewhere or flashing or huge 3) they are anime related non hentai ads. I'm the kind of person who clicks around all fast on the computer for no reason, I don't want to accidentally click on an ad that leads me to a porn and/or malware site. I would rather not have to remove viruses from my computer brought on by ads. Thank you. |
Nov 5, 2016 10:10 AM
#1116
Loving the hentai ads I'm getting on mobile lately. Keep up the good work. |
Nov 14, 2016 7:23 AM
#1117
Ads are good |
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Nov 16, 2016 3:01 PM
#1118
The SmartAds advertisements that constantly load in the background sometimes significantly slow my computer. If it's a poster-type ad that just sits there, I'm not really bothered by the content, subject, color, etc. but when the site freezes for 1-2 seconds multiple times in a minute b/c it's having trouble loading an ad, it makes my experience a lot worse overall :( I overall love your approach to ads, however! |
Nov 17, 2016 2:44 PM
#1119
Nov 21, 2016 1:40 PM
#1120
I don't mind ads, but the fact that they reload can make the experience a bit choppy on some devices I've found. I think it would be nice to have the option to have non-reloading ads, even if only on a per-device basis using cookies or something. |
Nov 23, 2016 2:51 PM
#1121
Saw this while in iPad also, this doesn't show when adblocked so could be a risky click. |
Nov 24, 2016 11:17 PM
#1122
God what happened to my old simple anime website where adds didnt even exist lol... |
Nov 24, 2016 11:24 PM
#1123
i do not have a smartphone but does MAL mobile ads do pop-ups? if so then MAL should removed those since Google will punish them Google will soon start punishing mobile sites that show hard-to-dismiss popups https://techcrunch.com/2016/08/23/good-riddance/ |
Nov 26, 2016 2:55 AM
#1124
Is it only me or is everyone having trouble with these kind of ads? http://i67.tinypic.com/4uuogz.jpg |
HomonculusNov 26, 2016 3:01 AM
Dec 2, 2016 7:50 AM
#1125
RemoveOnlineInfo said: DoctorMole said: Super Annoying huh?Where do I pay to disable it? Come on, these boxes are annoying more than adverts. :o Not just annoying. It's also risky despite all the "measures" MAL tries to take. Once in a while, a shitty ad will get added and if you accidentally click it, gg. Just adblock 24/7, you can't go wrong. |
Dec 2, 2016 5:44 PM
#1126
I don't mind ads if they are integrated well into the site. Square boxes in the middle of nowhere is just plain stupid looking though. There doesn't seem to be any structure in where you put them, how they are sized or even what content they contain... |
Dec 4, 2016 3:05 AM
#1127
I know most websites are supported by ads and while I really like to support websites this way, there's also the other side of the story. In the beginning of the internet sites experimented with ads to generate revenue. This isn't particularly a bad thing but over the years 95% of websites have gone way too far! When I currently open up any website without any form of adblock or privacy protection enabled, cookies get placed on my PC. these cookies are used to track me across websites. while a website is loading my cookie get's read and based on my profile they sell that ad space to the highest bidder, all in under a second. this is to tailor the ads specifically to my interests. First of all this system doesn't work. when I booked a flight ticket to tokyo all I get is ads for flight tickets. Dear google, you know I already booked! the ticket came in through GMAIL and you've automatically added it to my google agenda.. you know that I already have a ticket! and therefore, that I don't need another one for the next 2 years!! This tracking creeps me out! I don't want to be tracked. In europe there's a site where you can unsubscribe to these practises, but most ad networks ignore it just like the "do not track me" option in firefox. Add to that that we get more and more video ads in stead of just banners and more and more annoying ads and you'll get fed up with these things rather quickly. What i'm trying to say here is that ads in general on the net aren't bad but most companies have gone way too far here! so consumers are taking matters into their own hands and try to protect their privacy while forcing the big companies to change their stupid spying practises. I for example will install the following by default: CookiesOK (to remove all EU's annoying cookie walls) Ublock origin subscribed to every list available, it's always on and it will stay on. Privacy badger (a plugin that keeps track of cookies stored, when a cookie is accessed by multiple domains it eats it!) HTTPS everywhere (forces every page to use HTTPS to annoy the NSA) Tor / vidalia (anonimizes all trafic) You can call me paranoia... but it's a real problem: MAL already stores 5 trackers coming from facebook, google analytics, kiosked and google publisher tags. I will not disable adblock while any tracker is active on this site! thing's won't change without a fight. remember the music industry? they didn't listen to their consumers and they got hit hard! in the old days they had complete control over the market, they could charge anything for their music, force you to buy complete albums over just a single song and they could even control which music was sold where. then the Internet came along, people started sharing their music, because sharing is caring. The music industry responded by sueing their customers. which alienated their fans. this didn't work. then they implemented DRM... which screwed over the few people that were still buying music legitimately.. this didn't work. Then they thought "ok... apparently these practises didn't work.. but there is a market for individual mp3 files, let's just sell mp3's!" and guess what? piracy declined. this actually worked, but it took a long while for the music industry to realize that their practices were completely wrong. This kind of revolutionary change is occuring again, but this time it's with adblock and ads. So my advice is to stop complaining about people using adblock. listen to your customers, change or die! Stick to banner ads, remove the trackers and maybe I'll disable adblock someday. |
nieknooijensDec 4, 2016 3:11 AM
Dec 6, 2016 10:16 PM
#1128
@nieknooijens Well said. I think you will like uMatrix as well. Have you tried it yet? I let uBO handle url filtering and use uMatrix to dynamically block domains. It's made by the same developer. |
Dec 11, 2016 4:31 PM
#1129
They changed the anti adblock banners from blue to green. @nieknooijens: You are not paranoid by no means. You are just taking step to protect your privacy. I'm going to put Ghostery on my computer with my adblock so it can disable trackers. |
ArillionDec 11, 2016 4:37 PM
Dec 14, 2016 9:36 PM
#1130
• What is your biggest complaint with MAL's advertisements? The ads are in-content and in the middle of pages • Are there any pages on MAL where you don't mind the ads? Are there any pages where you really mind them? I don't mind them on any page except for viewing lists. • Would you prefer well-placed, in-content advertisements? Or advertisements on the top, sides, and end of the page? in-content advertisements are absolutely horrible. Please put them at the bottom or sides (not at the top either) so that they don't get in the way of the page content. • If there were an option to subscribe monthly/yearly (by paying money) to both hide advertisements and support MAL, would you? If I could pay like 1-2 dollars for -just- removing advertisments (I don't care about any of the extra benefits) I would, but the current price is too much for me for something as simple as advertisements. • Any other comments/concerns/suggestions? Remove in-content ads. • Please let us know your country (or NA/EU/AS, if you don't want to say). US |
Dec 17, 2016 3:40 PM
#1131
Nowadays feels like : either you take your credit card and pay or we'll overflow you with ads until you feel like vomiting and quitting the site. What a shame this website has become.... especially if love the unsafe ads that are an open gate for any virus on my phone that you click inadvertently because they will just pop open when you don't expect it. |
Dec 27, 2016 10:51 PM
#1132
i have adblock on both my desktop and mobile devicese and until fairly recently, i had whitelistwoed MAL from the blocker to support the site even tho the ads are irritating (if i had more money i would donate instead) unfortunatly ive had to completely remove MAL from my list of whitelisted websites on my phone (iphone 7) becuase the ads were so egregious that it rendered the forums completely unusable as i would be redirected to an ad site every time i tried to load the page. |
Dec 28, 2016 4:54 PM
#1133
Do you guys even care about your users? Your ads keep trying to run flash and run unsafe scripts. I guess I'm lucky that Chrome blocks those, but if you gave a shit about your users you would have filtered those out by now. |
Dec 29, 2016 8:05 PM
#1134
The new amazon links for each anime aren't region-friendly and since amazon.com don't deliver to the UK 90% of the time it's useless for me. I wish there was a way to selectively unblock image/link ads but keep blocking flash/script/iframe ads. |
Jan 4, 2017 6:09 PM
#1135
I've never done this for other sites, but I will for MAL; it deserves it. |
Jan 5, 2017 1:53 PM
#1136
Better than to get Ads for hentai and lube. Sorry but I don't want to have that sort of shit while I browse. I would rather have a nice green box telling me to cough up money than to see egregious ads. |
Jan 8, 2017 5:36 AM
#1137
I've been wanting to whitelist MAL for a while, but there were some adds that annoyed me. I tried pausing it every 2-3 months to see if it was ok, and this was the first time that I didn't find some extremely annoying adds, so I'm whitelisting it. Keep up the good job :D |
Jan 13, 2017 8:24 AM
#1138
Don't you think auto-playing two same YouTube ads at the same time is a bit excessive? |
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Jan 22, 2017 12:59 PM
#1139
I disabled AdBlock for MAL, because I really want to support the site - BUT the ads slow down the Browser so tremendously, that it becomes impossible to use - since I have MAL on one of my tabs on constantly, it made it insuffarable. Sites needed 30-50 seconds to load, and when I switched AdBlock back on, everything turned normal again. The amount and visability was totally fine with me, but as long as it makes internet use impossible, I have to keep it of. Moreover, the mobile version of MAL has Pop-upa so annoying, I can't navigate the side anymore. That lead to me not using MAL on my phone anymore. :( Give me a cance to disable AdBlock, I would be glad. ^^ |
Jan 27, 2017 10:45 PM
#1140
What is the point in using this website now if you can no longer show your stuff safely to anyone who doesn't have adblock? -_-; |
Feb 2, 2017 9:01 PM
#1141
On every page where it's possible I have adds telling me to become a MAL supporter when I already am. Also what's the point of being a MAL supporter if I'm going to see that stupid Managa translation winners banner everywhere. ///paid for no ads still need ad block O.o |
EbianFeb 2, 2017 11:32 PM
Feb 4, 2017 10:13 AM
#1142
Lewd said: On every page where it's possible I have adds telling me to become a MAL supporter when I already am. Also what's the point of being a MAL supporter if I'm going to see that stupid Managa translation winners banner everywhere. ///paid for no ads still need ad block O.o just block it myanimelist.net###headerSmall > .banner-header-anime-straming |
Feb 7, 2017 1:22 PM
#1143
I never use adblock on sites I use frequently unless they are extremely innapropriate or malicious. However, I request that you don't use pop-up ads anymore. Everyone I want to update my episode count of Hunter x Hunter, an add pops up right where I touch which brings me to another page. Also, it slows my browser and takes around 5-10 seconds for the x to appear in the top right corner. It's annoying, and I would like those removed. I don't mind ads anywhere as long as they aren't innapropriate or in the way. I use a smartphone btw. |
Feb 7, 2017 1:23 PM
#1144
Jason_Funderberk said: Also please try to find ads that appeal more to your audience just as a suggestion. I don't care for shampoo ads much.I never use adblock on sites I use frequently unless they are extremely innapropriate or malicious. However, I request that you don't use pop-up ads anymore. Everyone I want to update my episode count of Hunter x Hunter, an add pops up right where I touch which brings me to another page. Also, it slows my browser and takes around 5-10 seconds for the x to appear in the top right corner. It's annoying, and I would like those removed. I don't mind ads anywhere as long as they aren't innapropriate or in the way. I use a smartphone btw. |
Feb 25, 2017 11:08 AM
#1145
I whitelist MAL on my PC, but for some reason when I browse via mobile, my home page doesn't fully loaded if I disable ad-block. Sorry if it keeps going, I'm not disabling it. |
Feb 28, 2017 4:45 PM
#1146
no problem with anime/manga related Ads |
Mar 6, 2017 12:14 AM
#1147
Kineta (as the posting author of both threads), this is to you and other admins: Is there an official update or is the expectation that "love of MAL" will "change [users' minds] to support the site" by allowing advertising code to load and ads to display regardless of all consequences (before/after/without paying for a membership)? -- (Now the text wall and summary for anyone who's willing to read it...) At this point, it's been over 10 months since the start of this thread. For all of the complaints of subjectively bad and outright malicious ads including phishing, malware, fake A/V programs, sounds, auto-play videos, overlay/overlap formatting issues, pop-ups, and browser redirection, I have not seen any mod/admin come through and say "oops, we'll fix this [by not serving malware/ads at all]". No change there. For reference: Advertising is evil (the write-up I linked on page 19) My position/answer to advertising is still that it's a terrible idea to forcefully insert irrelevant s**t into people's lives, especially with external advertising services that see it as beneficial to have bad, misleading, and malicious ads (not detailing the possibilities here). Maybe you could set up a separate page/section of the site for advertising and see how often users go there on purpose. Here's what has changed: 1. Now there's an orange button for "Hide Ads" so that if you sign in and pay, maybe you don't get the ads or get infected (any more/while signed in). 2. There are now 248 total posts on the other malware (I mean "advertising") complaints thread for "specific" issues where MAL has forum users trying to document problems with advertising that never should have happened/been allowed. 3. In direct defiance of complaints about GIF/animated/distracting/data-wasting ads, MAL has made MULTIPLE of their own animated banners about an "ad free experience" displayed at the top center of the site. banner.gif | banner2.gif | banner3.gif As much as I could say "they just don't care", it's clear they care about only the wrong parts of this issue. The truth of the matter is that due to the type of external ads and the techniques for hosting/serving them, if the code is allowed to load for them, you/your browser/computer/phone/tablet may be screwed. This is a bigger issue than "disable adblock and support us", and MAL continues to ignore both the potential issues AND THE REPORTED ONES. Signing in or paying definitely doesn't help afterwards. "Sometimes, there is no undo" (I'm sure that lesson can be attributed to many sources and cause its own flame war about which stories did it best, but just think about it. ...and keep adblock and external scripts blocked by default here and everywhere else or use whatever you consider to be an appropriately safe stance.) The effect of these advertising choices (on MAL and other places) is that users and their devices are decidedly less important than the advertising revenue... then, as a bonus, if the potential victims survive long enough, some can and will pay more to "support the site" or suppress the ads. (For the naive/trolls: I absolutely don't care if you are going to say "I use this site without adblock all the time and I never get infected" or "I've never gotten a pop-up/video ad/driveby download/redirected so you must be making it up". Just because you "can" or did play in traffic or survive a round of Russian Roulette doesn't it's safe, reliable, or plays out the same for everyone.) |
Mar 6, 2017 12:18 AM
#1148
In tonight's testing with adblock enabled, FireFox on Windows showed blue "Online Ads keep MAL running" nags, and Firefox on the Linux VM showed green,black,grey "Support site development" nags. Testing gave inconsistent results while checking for advertisements displayed with adblock disabled (tested only in a restricted Linux VM for safety). One point of interest for the admins: the "Ad complaints" link was only shown below the nag blocks and was not available for actual advertisements like the blue and white CASA images (which were provided by Rubicon, not given hyperlink tags/destinations, and served only to give the impression that the site was acquired by a company that enthusiastically put CASA logos everywhere). |
LabbyMalMar 6, 2017 12:35 AM
Mar 19, 2017 2:45 PM
#1149
Hello, I'm going to answer to a few of the questions before I write the actual complaint, last thing in the post. • Are there any pages on MAL where you don't mind the ads? Are there any pages where you really mind them? No, I don't mind ads on any page, just please don't put some on personal anime lists :) • Would you prefer well-placed, in-content advertisements? Or advertisements on the top, sides, and end of the page? I think advertisements are pretty well-placed as they are on MAL. It would be nice not to have ads in the the main section, but it's fine since they're low enough. It's far better than those big background ads below the page. • Please let us know your country (or NA/EU/AS, if you don't want to say). I'm in EU • What is your biggest complaint with MAL's advertisements? Here is the reason why I'm posting a message. I use Google Chrome (on OSX), in private browsing. I happily whitelisted MAL from AdBlock since you guys really are worth it, but when a page with ads is loaded (i.e an anime description page), it's constantly loading things and connecting to various ad-related websites (processing requests, sending requests, waiting for some website...), which makes Chrome eat 40-100% of my CPU, makes the fan go crazy, and RAM slowly but steadily bottle up. I tried authorizing "unsafe scripts" and "blocked plugins" that Chrome was warning me about, since I trust MAL, but it didn't solve the problem. This also happens when I don't use private browsing. I tried tweaking my browsing settings a bit, but I couldn't find the source of the problem. I have a feeling that the problem could be on my side (maybe it's not?), and probably easily solvable, but I couldn't find it. I'd appreciate any help :) |
SidanMar 19, 2017 2:49 PM
Mar 20, 2017 8:20 PM
#1150
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