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May 18, 2016 4:54 PM
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Why did REM kill Subaru the first time when Subaru was feeling sick and wandered out into the hallway? Why did REM kill Subaru again later? I don't understand at all.

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May 18, 2016 4:58 PM

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Because he might be cahoot with enemy and he is shrouded with witch aura something that Rem have personal grudge with.
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Because of the witch's scent that Subaru has on him ( Re-watch episode 7 at the beginning, she outright says it ) As we know Satella the witch of envy is seen as the greatest evil in this world.

Having her scent on you is like having a sign over your head that says "Hey I'm affiliated with the most evil being in this world"

As if that wasn't reason enough, Rem & Ram also seem to have a personal grudge against anything connected to the witch ( and the witch cult ) due to something that happened in their past. :)
 
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I'm now convinced that some people don't any attention to shows they watch despite reasons given the very episode.

And this pointless thread that could be in the episode discussion thread and is a spoiler for anybody who hasn't watched the episode.
 
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I generally understand why rem killed subaru the second time, but the first time where they didn't even reveal rem, we know it was rem because of the sounds of the chain, how come that time she killed him, i'm talking about episode 6.
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I generally understand why rem killed subaru the second time, but the first time where they didn't even reveal rem, we know it was rem because of the sounds of the chain, how come that time she killed him, i'm talking about episode 6.


For the same reason she attacked Subaru on the third loop. He reeks the scent of witch.

Also as ColdBreeze said, Rem DIDN'T kill Subaru on the third loop, but it was Ram. You should read the posts of the people that are trying to help you.

 
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I generally understand why rem killed subaru the second time, but the first time where they didn't even reveal rem, we know it was rem because of the sounds of the chain, how come that time she killed him, i'm talking about episode 6.


cause he got that bitch's perfume on him

that didn't change between the loops.
 
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I'm kind of done with this anime for a list of reasons that go on for miles.

It's mainly the protagonists. The witch's scent thing is a stupid ass excuse. Subaru is the worst detective in existence through his inability to ask or explain things. There's no context as to why he can't explain Return by Death. Even if it's a valid reason the series doesn't do a good job showing why.
 
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I'm kind of done with this anime for a list of reasons that go on for miles.

It's mainly the protagonists. The witch's scent thing is a stupid ass excuse. Subaru is the worst detective in existence through his inability to ask or explain things. There's no context as to why he can't explain Return by Death. Even if it's a valid reason the series doesn't do a good job showing why.

Did you drop the anime before seeing episode 7? Because if so, then you would never understand why Subaru cannot ask nor explain things. Problem with some people is, they aren't patient enough.
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mmccaskill said:
I'm kind of done with this anime for a list of reasons that go on for miles.

It's mainly the protagonists. The witch's scent thing is a stupid ass excuse. Subaru is the worst detective in existence through his inability to ask or explain things. There's no context as to why he can't explain Return by Death. Even if it's a valid reason the series doesn't do a good job showing why.

Did you drop the anime before seeing episode 7? Because if so, then you would never understand why Subaru cannot ask nor explain things. Problem with some people is, they aren't patient enough.


I watched episode 7 and it still did not give context to anything. You tell me if we watched the same anime. Because it's not like he's an expert on Return By Death and how it works - at this point as far as I know. All it showed was that after explaining it it looked like he would die.

Which had no context. This anime's biggest problem is having no context within the mystery it's trying to craft. Like why Subaru even runs away. There's no 'Watson' in this anime and if context is part of the mystery it fails as a basic story.

Patience has nothing to do with it. No one should be this confused about any story 7 episodes in.
 
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No one should be this confused about any story 7 episodes in.
Well that's your problem. Easy basic spoon fed kiddy story is your forte than that's ok.

The witch scent is not an excuse. The witch was mentioned WAY WAY back in ep 1. Each loop gives the viewers more information of the universe Subaru is in. I'm glad they didn't tell you everything all at once like typical a shounen show. *barf*

The story is extremely well done and the character development is superb. Utterly one of the best if not THE BEST portrayal of human nature I've seen on screen. (It has all the potential to be the next steins gate IF not BETTER)
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mmccaskill said:
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Did you drop the anime before seeing episode 7? Because if so, then you would never understand why Subaru cannot ask nor explain things. Problem with some people is, they aren't patient enough.


I watched episode 7 and it still did not give context to anything. You tell me if we watched the same anime. Because it's not like he's an expert on Return By Death and how it works - at this point as far as I know. All it showed was that after explaining it it looked like he would die.
Watch it again. It was before he explained it that the hand thing came out. Not after. He was explicitly prevented from saying what he intended to say.

And if you need to drop, do so. There seems to be an indication that you're not into this type of series, which poses questions before answering them, rather than one that hints at (or even spoon feeds) answers before the questions are posed.
 
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TeamDalaiLana said:
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No one should be this confused about any story 7 episodes in.
Well that's your problem. Easy basic spoon fed kiddy story is your forte than that's ok.

The witch scent is not an excuse. The witch was mentioned WAY WAY back in ep 1. Each loops give the viewers more information of the universe Subaru is in. I'm glad they didn't tell you everything all at once like typical a shounen show. *barf*


Here we go. *sigh*
I would like to take the time to let you know that you and the person above responded to me.

A story without context is a objectively a bad story. Sorry you don't get that. That doesn't mean I or anyone else enjoy spoonfed stories.

When I mean context I mean some inherent common sense. Like what the Witch's scent is. It's not part of the mystery and if it were why bring it up. If someone said I have the witch's scent on me I would ASK WHAT THAT IS.
Exposition doesn't hurt sometimes. Especially if it's framed unprovoked.

Again if exposition/context is part of the mystery then it's bad writing. It feels like it's being made up as it goes along.

I guess I have to do this. Maybe I'm not talking to other adults but if you like this show. Good for you. I only came here to express as to why I'm PERSONALLY letting the show go and my faults with it. I hope this forum isn't an echo chamber of positivity.
 
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I watched episode 7 and it still did not give context to anything. You tell me if we watched the same anime. Because it's not like he's an expert on Return By Death and how it works - at this point as far as I know. All it showed was that after explaining it it looked like he would die.
Watch it again. It was before he explained it that the hand thing came out. Not after. He was explicitly prevented from saying what he intended to say.

And if you need to drop, do so. There seems to be an indication that you're not into this type of series, which poses questions before answering them, rather than one that hints at (or even spoon feeds) answers before the questions are posed.


I did and I know what I read and saw and heard (since I don't need subs). That's probably true. It's not my kind of anime but that doesn't mean I didn't give it a chance.
 
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When I mean context I mean some inherent common sense. Like what the Witch's scent is. It's not part of the mystery and if it were why bring it up. If someone said I have the witch's scent on me I would ASK WHAT THAT IS.
Exposition doesn't hurt sometimes. Especially if it's framed unprovoked..


Except it is part of mystery because that is why Rem mistrusts him as said herself. It's Subaru's job to delve into that when he's able to.

And just because something not immediately answered (and why would tell Rem tell Subaru what it is if she already believes he's part of cult anyway?) doesn't you will not get an answer. That would be last thing on Subaru's mind at the moment with him still trying accept the reality of what is happening.

The reader should not ever demand answers from the author, he or she the givens answer when they feel it's appropriate to reveal them in the most natural way. That's how any story telling works. There no reason to think the witch scent would not be important, Subaru still not little about his situation or this world to begin so why should it be a surprise he would accused of things he would not know? Nobody knows he's form another world to begin with and much less believe him if told them.

Besides your given enough context that Witch's scent is bad going by Rem's and Betty's words and what we know about Satella. We obviously going to find out more, but your hardly left without a rope here. It's hard speculate your answers before your told.
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Rem's attack on Subaru due to speculations is in itself dumb regardless of the reason unless it was the truth. I'm used to stories were people jump to conclusion but I'll say it till I'm blue in the face. There was no context as to why other than some "smell" Which is being passed off as nothing by the hero. He heard it twice with in mere minutes by 2 different people. One of which who is aware of his reversing time.

A phrase...that seems very important so it seems pretty pertinent to address what it is. If Subaru has time to act like silly guy with what appears to be some ambiguous disorder he has time to address things that can actually help him out of this predicament.

That isn't demanding anything out of author, it's simply expecting the author to make sense. Knowing something is bad isn't context btw. : o
 
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Rem's attack on Subaru due to speculations is in itself dumb regardless of the reason unless it was the truth. I'm used to stories were people jump to conclusion but I'll say it till I'm blue in the face. There was no context as to why other than some "smell" Which is being passed off as nothing by the hero. He heard it twice with in mere minutes by 2 different people. One of which who is aware of his reversing time.

A phrase...that seems very important so it seems pretty pertinent to address what it is. If Subaru has time to act like silly guy with what appears to be some ambiguous disorder he has time to address things that can actually help him out of this predicament.

That isn't demanding anything out of author, it's simply expecting the author to make sense. Knowing something is bad isn't context btw. : o


Look like I said again you have all context you need without the author spelling everything out immediately. Don't blame the author if aren't going to bother looking at the foreshadowing. And no it's not mere speculation, anyone who has the witch's scent is definitely involved with a witch whether they know about it or not. That already prove by the episode itself when dark hand attacks Subaru for even trying to mention the existence of his power and Betty's conversation with him. Those are the fact that readily available in the anime.

The only real questions are what Rem's past with Witch Cult the would make her react that way, who is Satella exactly and who is causing the curse. And Subaru obviously doesn't asks questions at first because he's suffering from PSTD at the moment. How let the poor guy recover his witts first?

All the setup has been layed down so don't even tell me even now that you can't see that after I've put it out for you, because if not then drop the show.

And Betty doesn't even know about him his ability reverse time, where did you get that from?
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The witch herself and the smell have been addressed multiple times spanning different episodes.

Rem/Ram suspicion started way back in episode 4.

I seriously wonder the attention span of people. Honestly, I don't feel the need to spend my energy explaining things any further.
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The witch herself and the smell has been addressed multiple times spanning different episodes.

Rem/Ram suspicion started way back in episode 4.

I seriously wonder the attention span of people.


If it was brought up in episodes before then that's fine. I sometimes worry about the attention span of other people too. You seem to be under the confusion of - yet again - what I meant by context. The smell of the witch and witch herself were brought up but never discussed or talked about.

Even the question "Why do you smell her on me" is so vague to ask as it is as question. What's worse the response is: "Who knows". And I concede that she says that Subaru receives preferential treatment from her. Which is distinctly the most anyone has every said anything that could be conferred as a contextual hook.

Please get off of your high horse. No one demanded your explanation. Present your case and let it speak for yourself.
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Poor excuse for not paying attention. I get it, your the type who doesn't like to admit when he's wrong. If you can't handle the fact that author will set certain things up as mysteries and reveal more the world as the story goes on then just drop it. Cause you aren't getting info dump and after info dump about everything about single like some crappy LN.
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Poor excuse for not paying attention. I get it, your the type doesn't like to admit when he's wrong. If you can't handle the fact that author will set certain things up as mysteries and reveal more the world as the story goes on then just drop it. Cause aren't getting info dump and after info dump about everything about single like some crappy LN.


Congrats on your not tagging quote so you can last word your response in.

Anyways. "I get it, you're not the type [who] doesn't like to admit when he's wrong" - read post just above your latest one. Where I do concede that there IS some context.

I basically said that after episode 7 I will drop it. Which. I have. Good job with the silliness of the argument "Don't like, Don't watch".

You cannot string straws together about what I like and think it's some victory won. I don't like info dumps, I made that perfectly clear. I made - at least what I felt - are some legitimate concerns. I don't think it was a matter of: "Ugh I hate this and just because I hate this and you should hate it to be because I hate."

Basically...don't lose sleep over it.
 
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Except you haven't. You say don't like to be spoonfed so the author doesn't instead leaves foreshadow and context clues by both dialogue and characters reactions. You ignore all of them to whine about there being no context when it is there and nearly everyone from manga readers to anime watchers have able to grasp them.

That fact you even mistaken Betty about knowing about his time loops shows don't pay attention to what's onscreen as much as you think. At this point multiple posters including me have shown the context behind the characters without revealing the full story, if still going be willfully ignorant then this conversation is done. I don't care pointless circular argument where I feel like talking a brick wall no matter how point things out. I've said my piece so I'm out.
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Except you haven't. You say don't like to be spoonfed so the author doesn't instead leaves foreshadow and context clues by both dialogue and characters reactions. You ignore all of them to whine about there being no context when it is there and nearly everyone from manga readers to anime watchers have able to grasp them.

That fact you even mistaken Betty about knowing about his time loops shows don't pay attention to what's onscreen as much as you think. At this point multiple posters including me have shown the context behind the characters without revealing the full story, if still going be willfully ignorant then this conversation is done. I don't care pointless circular argument where I feel like talking a brick wall no matter how point things out. I've said my piece so I'm out.


Cool. On your way out. 1.) I have. You continue to string straws about who I am what I like and what I said. I don't want to say strawman but yeah. You've built yourself one and you're simply sweating from all of that hardwork.

2.) I don't think I've mistaken Betty and the time loops. She did make it clear that they had met once before confirming that she is somewhat aware of the phenomenon even if she doesn't know what it is. Even if I were wrong on that note, that somehow affects my argument how. Oh wait the argument from ignorance thing. "You don't know what you're talking about in scenario B, so you're wrong about EVERY scenario"

3.) Finally. Good day.
 
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2.) I don't think I've mistaken Betty and the time loops. She did make it clear that they had met once before confirming that she is somewhat aware of the phenomenon even if she doesn't know what it is.


Remember that Subaru's loop starts right after Beatrice used her mana drain on him. This is why she has some memory of him.

Subaru wakes up --> Finds Beatrice in the library --> She uses the mana drain --> Subaru passes out and wakes up again.
 
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It's like the entire story hasn't been told, or something. It's like there's a new episode on monday.
 
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It's like the entire story hasn't been told, or something. It's like there's a new episode on monday.


You're actually completely accurate with that. We don't get the whole story told right away. Many things only make sense after some revelations later on. The way the author writes his early parts of the story actually require you to draw connections non stop.

For example an attentively viewer can already draw many connections that you won't even come up with if you just casually watch the episodes.
 
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2.) I don't think I've mistaken Betty and the time loops. She did make it clear that they had met once before confirming that she is somewhat aware of the phenomenon even if she doesn't know what it is.


Remember that Subaru's loop starts right after Beatrice used her mana drain on him. This is why she has some memory of him.

Subaru wakes up --> Finds Beatrice in the library --> She uses the mana drain --> Subaru passes out and wakes up again.


That could be the case. Still no connection between the mana drain and her being aware of him after Return by Death kicks in but I could see that.
 
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It's like the entire story hasn't been told, or something. It's like there's a new episode on monday.


Another person who doesn't understand what I meant by context. Ah well. It's being confused with wanting the story handed to me. i.e. spoonfed.

I'll say it again. That's not what I mean and that's not what I want.
 
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mmccaskill said:
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Remember that Subaru's loop starts right after Beatrice used her mana drain on him. This is why she has some memory of him.

Subaru wakes up --> Finds Beatrice in the library --> She uses the mana drain --> Subaru passes out and wakes up again.


That could be the case. Still no connection between the mana drain and her being aware of him after Return by Death kicks in but I could see that.


That does not seem to be the case, it is the case. Because she herself tells Subaru that they met before he woke up the second time.

And as far I am aware, she has no idea of his Return by Death. Not sure what she exactly meant to do with her mana drain, but if I had to guess it was to test if he was a mage. If he had large amounts of mana, he could be a potential dangerous enemy, but since he doesn't she disregarded him as some pleb.

I have to agree with the others in one thing though. I've been around long enough to know a person who doesn't admit that he's wrong no matter what. That comment "that could be the case" just nails the fact that you won't admit that you are wrong (or even may be wrong) no matter how much people counter argument. That kind of behavior is quite frankly toxic in any community (no wonder how MAL forums just keep getting worse)
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That could be the case. Still no connection between the mana drain and her being aware of him after Return by Death kicks in but I could see that.


That does not seem to be the case, it is the case. Because she herself tells Subaru that they met before he woke up the second time.

And as far I am aware, she has no idea of his Return by Death. Not sure what she exactly meant to do with her mana drain, but if I had to guess it was to test if he was a mage. If he had large amounts of mana, he could be a potential dangerous enemy, but since he doesn't she disregarded him as some pleb.

I have to agree with the others in one thing though. I've been around long enough to know a person who doesn't admit that he's wrong no matter what. That comment "that could be the case" just nails the fact that you won't admit that you are wrong (or even may be wrong) no matter how much people counter argument. That kind of behavior is quite frankly toxic in any community (no wonder how MAL forums just keep getting worse)


The whole context argument and the Beatrice things were two different discusions. And the person I respond to was out of pleasantry not out of contentions. When I said: "That could be the case" it isn't because I disagreed with him. I said that it wasn't exactly proof.

Which it isn't. Tell me if these situations are congruent
Betty uses mana drain on Subaru, CONVERSELY Betty remembers Subaru?
Can I get proof where she proclaims this is the reason she remembers him. Because it's not. It IS just speculation. Not there is wrong with that but you seem to be under the impression that your eyes/ears work better.

I haven't insulted anyone - yet - but I guess you're the first muppet to step up and in form of every loving Kruger-Dunning approach. The "you can't admit you're wrong" argument is a really dumb: "Ah ha, I got you!" technique.

If the next thing written isn't "I was wrong" you'll just continue to go: "Ah, see I'm right" and spout your moral high ground rhetoric. I CAN admit I'm wrong when I am. You just seem to jump on a bandwagon and in response to a comment that was only telling me about how Betty remembers Subaru.

Which at this point is ONLY speculation (unless you want to use the excuse Because powerful wizard/mage ). I didn't say he was wrong I said there wasn't proof.

Just like I didn't say YOU are wrong, there isn't proof. Because there isn't. : I
 
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The whole context argument and the Beatrice things were two different discusions. And the person I respond to was out of pleasantry not out of contentions. When I said: "That could be the case" it isn't because I disagreed with him. I said that it wasn't exactly proof.

Which it isn't. Tell me if these situations are congruent
Betty uses mana drain on Subaru, CONVERSELY Betty remembers Subaru?
Can I get proof where she proclaims this is the reason she remembers him. Because it's not. It IS just speculation. Not there is wrong with that but you seem to be under the impression that your eyes/ears work better.


Go watch again the first 2 minutes of episode 5 when he respawns for the first time in the mansion. The first thing he confirms is if the respawn takes place when he woke up for the first time (before he met Beatrice) or the second time (after he met Beatrice). She remembers him because the respawn takes place after they met, so she obviously remembers him. The mana drain has nothing to do with her remembering him, they just met before the respawn. It's as simple as it can get, making any speculations about it would be the same as speculating that the store guy put a spell on the protagonist to respawn there in the first arc.

As for the rest of the comment, nice arguments but wrongly placed. I'm not joining any bandwagon I'm just calling out BS.
 
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Which it isn't. Tell me if these situations are congruent
Betty uses mana drain on Subaru, CONVERSELY Betty remembers Subaru?
Can I get proof where she proclaims this is the reason she remembers him.


B: "How are you breaking through my door crossing?"

S: "You said I broke through Door Crossing last time and now right?

B: "I just teased you about it, three or four hours ago, for being so insensitive"

S: "If this is the second time I've woken up in the mansion, then you remember me, right?"

B: "If I could, I'd rather erase you from my memory"

I don't know how they can shove it clearer into your face than that. Note that this conversation happens in episode 5 after Subaru has died once, meaning everything has been reset once too. Not only is the moving of the checkpoint made clear with that but the show also clarifies that the reason Beatrice remembers him his due to their first meeting that ended with the mana drain in episode 4. Oh and to top it off this conversation even leads Subaru to the conclusion that the "checkpoint" has been moved forward. Since Beatrice remembering him is used as the evidence for that conclusion we can safely assume that this the truth and it is backed up as such.

Sorry but you can't get it clearer than this. And no don't expect a "I remember you because of our first meeting and not because I'm not affected by your time loops" line from her because a certain black hand prohibits any conversation involving the loop power.
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Fappa said:
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Which it isn't. Tell me if these situations are congruent
Betty uses mana drain on Subaru, CONVERSELY Betty remembers Subaru?
Can I get proof where she proclaims this is the reason she remembers him.


B: "How are you breaking through my door crossing?"

S: "You said I broke through Door Crossing last time and now right?

B: "I just teased you about it, three or four hours ago, for being so insensitive"

S: "If this is the second time I've woken up in the mansion, then you remember me, right?"

B: "If I could, I'd rather erase you from my memory"

I don't know how they can shove it clearer into your face than that. Note that this conversation happens in loop 5 after Subaru has died once meaning everything reset once. Not only is the moving of the checkpoint made clear with that but the show also clarifies that the reason Beatrice remembers him his due to their first meeting that ended with the mana drain in episode 4. Oh and to top it off this conversation also leads Subaru to the conclusion that the "checkpoint" has been moved forward. Since Beatrice remembering because of that is used a sole evidence here we can safely assume that this is the reason. Done

Sorry but you can't get it clearer than this. And no don't expect a "I remember you because of our first meeting and not because I'm not affected by your time loops" line from her because a certain black hand prohibits any conversation involving the loop power.


I did just watch this. That's not conclusive. You even admit that this is what you're assuming. I have to make this analogy simple now. Mana Drain ! = Remember Subaru. Maybe but no one explicitly stated that it is nor is it implied. You are inferring that is the case.

The checkpoint of Return by Death may have changed but that's it. I think you're trying to get me to see something that's clearly NOT BEING SHOWN or SAID. Only speculated.
 
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I think you're trying to get me to see something that's clearly NOT BEING SHOWN or SAID. Only speculated.

Thank you for proving me right @mmccaskill.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'd rather go talk with a wall. It might not hear what I say, but it also won't insult everyone's intelligence by closing its ears and screaming lalala.
 
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I did just watch this. That's not conclusive. You even admit that this is what you're assuming. I have to make this analogy simple now. Mana Drain ! = Remember Subaru. Maybe but no one explicitly stated that it is nor is it implied. You are inferring that is the case.

The checkpoint of Return by Death may have changed but that's it. I think you're trying to get me to see something that's clearly NOT BEING SHOWN or SAID. Only speculated.


Maybe "safely assuming" was the wrong wording I'm sorry, let me rephrase it "it is the case".

Beatrice literally says herself that the reason she remembers him is because "she teased him three or four hours ago" after Subaru asks her. The show clarifies it like that because it can't talk about it word by word because of said hand.

Um, do you see those two speculate? All Subaru does is getting a clarification from her. How is that not being shown or said?

If he said something like "Maybe the reason she treats me like she knows me is because she remembers our first meeting. This means my checkpoint has changed" in a monologue then yeah that would have been mere speculations, I agree. But Subaru actively gets clarification from Beatrice in an open dialogue. His speculations which we don't even get to see immediately get their backup that proves them through Beatrice's answers.

Look, I really try to refrain from putting spoilers in my reasoning which would only back up my point. I don't because it isn't necessary, it's just delivered in such a direct way to you, the viewer.
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I think you're trying to get me to see something that's clearly NOT BEING SHOWN or SAID. Only speculated.

Thank you for proving me right @mmccaskill.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'd rather go talk with a wall. It might not hear what I say, but it also won't insult everyone's intelligence by closing its ears and screaming lalala.


Have fun. That quote ended with "speculated" btw.
 
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Fappa said:
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I did just watch this. That's not conclusive. You even admit that this is what you're assuming. I have to make this analogy simple now. Mana Drain ! = Remember Subaru. Maybe but no one explicitly stated that it is nor is it implied. You are inferring that is the case.

The checkpoint of Return by Death may have changed but that's it. I think you're trying to get me to see something that's clearly NOT BEING SHOWN or SAID. Only speculated.


Maybe "safely assuming" was the wrong wording I'm sorry, let me rephrase it "it is the case".

Beatrice literally says herself that the reason she remembers him is because "she teased him three or four hours ago" after Subaru asks her. The show clarifies it like that because it can't talk about it word by word because of said hand.

Um, do you see those two speculate? All Subaru does is getting a clarification from her. How is that not being shown or said?

If he said something like "Maybe the reason she treats me like she knows me is because she remembers our first meeting. This means my checkpoint has changed" in a monologue then yeah that would have been mere speculations, I agree. But Subaru actively gets clarification from Beatrice in an open dialogue. His speculations which we don't even get to see immediately get their backup that proves them through Beatrice's answers.

Look, I really try to refrain from putting spoilers in my reasoning which would only back up my point. I don't because it isn't necessary, it's just delivered in such a direct way to you, the viewer.


I guess I don't see it. (Because it didn't actually happen) Sorry
 
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Hm, I don't think this thread is about Beatrice.

But yeah, it happened. You won't see more of it because it was fairly obvious since episode 5.

Looks like everyone else gets it too so I really don't know what bothers you. She remembers him, yes. But the reason was shown.

I don't say your assumption is wrong, it could be right but as everyone else said she doesn't know more then everyone else. That's how it is.

If you want to discuss this further please create a thread for this because this thread here is the wrong one.


*sigh* I'm not the one who brought up that topic. You continued it and now you're declaring it the end by saying go talk about it elsewhere. Granted that is correct. It's off topic. I don't have more to say on it - dude with a gif related to the show in his signature - though. : o
 
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Aw, missed the discussion before it ended. :(
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I'm kind of done with this anime for a list of reasons that go on for miles.
It's mainly the protagonists. The witch's scent thing is a stupid ass excuse. Subaru is the worst detective in existence through his inability to ask or explain things. There's no context as to why he can't explain Return by Death. Even if it's a valid reason the series doesn't do a good job showing why.


The turtle-slowness of showing the reasons of these mysteries, the jarring switch between comedy and serious, and the stupidity of our MC really made these impatient and intolerant hatetards shun the show. This MC is not your typical cliche amazing man with unnecessary plot armor. He is your Shinji like stupid character.
 
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Don't find Subaru really stupid ( I agree with being impulsive sometimes) in fact he's smarter most average people and definitely thinks things through most of the time..

That aside this topic has clearly run it's course, there no point in arguing with someone this dense and defensive.
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mmccaskill said:
I'm kind of done with this anime for a list of reasons that go on for miles.
It's mainly the protagonists. The witch's scent thing is a stupid ass excuse. Subaru is the worst detective in existence through his inability to ask or explain things. There's no context as to why he can't explain Return by Death. Even if it's a valid reason the series doesn't do a good job showing why.


The turtle-slowness of showing the reasons of these mysteries, the jarring switch between comedy and serious, and the stupidity of our MC really made these impatient and intolerant hatetards shun the show. This MC is not your typical cliche amazing man with unnecessary plot armor. He is your Shinji like stupid character.


Disliking a protagonist is not a dumb reason for disliking a show, no matter how you yourself feel about him. If you like him good for you.
 
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mmccaskill said:
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The turtle-slowness of showing the reasons of these mysteries, the jarring switch between comedy and serious, and the stupidity of our MC really made these impatient and intolerant hatetards shun the show. This MC is not your typical cliche amazing man with unnecessary plot armor. He is your Shinji like stupid character.

Disliking a protagonist is not a dumb reason for disliking a show, no matter how you yourself feel about him. If you like him good for you.
I didn't say hating a show because of hating an MC is dumb. I just say that there are fanatical hate-tards out there. I hope you're not the one. It's understandable for impatient ones to hate the verrry slow exposition of truths. I also don't like Subaru. Who likes him? He's not our typical OP character (in terms of power, intelligence, luck, etc) like most anime out there or a philosophical MC like in Oregairu. The problem of Subaru is he is too slow in finding out the smartest and most appropriate goal.I think, when he has a goal in mind, he knows how to think to actualize his goal, but his goals themselves make him look stupid.
"Subaru is the worst detective in existence through his inability to ask or explain things." - He does not know that it is an effective method. Also he learned this thing very late. Even I learned it later in life because even I'm not a loner, I act like a loner. Also this is not a detective story. Also his goals are ridiculous like being with Emilia, dating with Emilia, everything selfishly Emilia. Ep7 made him wake up to his reality.
" There's no context as to why he can't explain Return by Death." - He cannot explain his situation because of that curse preventing him to do so. Don't ask me why. This is the beauty of this show, many unknowns. But this is also the drawback of this show, too many unknowns.
"Even if it's a valid reason the series doesn't do a good job showing why." - Yes. The show failed to show it to the viewers that are not paying attention, so the show must made this more interesting so the viewers will really pay attention.
" The witch's scent thing is a stupid ass excuse." - The show failed to explain this clearly to the stupid minds, so I blame the show.
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Wait, I'm sure Subaru has some fans O.o
It's mostly because of sympathy. He improved in ep 7 but let's wait if he will be better.
 
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It's mostly because of sympathy. He improved in ep 7 but let's wait if he will be better.
I meant since episode 1. Believe it or not some people do like his cheerful personality. ^^


I like Subaru because that weird disco pose he always does is cool.
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There's slow expositions in this show because there are too many that are hidden. So those who are impatient, either be patient or drop Re:Zero and Kiznaiver.
 
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It's mostly because of sympathy. He improved in ep 7 but let's wait if he will be better.
I meant since episode 1. Believe it or not some people do like his cheerful personality. ^^
I missed the people who likes someone based on personality because I don't care that much about personality, maybe except for hyper genki types.
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I like Subaru because that weird disco pose he always does is cool.
I also missed the people who likes his poses because I don't care about it.
There's so many I missed. Sorry I just can't relate. I only want the story or Re:Zero. Maybe next episode will be on Friday.
 
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Hate me if you want.

This is the big spoiler, and answer the question.

 
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One of the orignal reasons is that Rem/Ram has very high distrust, it gets even worse when "something else" like the smell of witch add more into that distrust.
 
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Don't find Subaru really stupid ( I agree with being impulsive sometimes) in fact he's smarter most average people and definitely thinks things through most of the time..

That aside this topic has clearly run it's course, there no point in arguing with someone this dense and defensive.


My thoughts exactly.
 
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