Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
| Because he might be cahoot with enemy and he is shrouded with witch aura something that Rem have personal grudge with. |
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| Because of the witch's scent that Subaru has on him ( Re-watch episode 7 at the beginning, she outright says it ) As we know Satella the witch of envy is seen as the greatest evil in this world. Having her scent on you is like having a sign over your head that says "Hey I'm affiliated with the most evil being in this world" As if that wasn't reason enough, Rem & Ram also seem to have a personal grudge against anything connected to the witch ( and the witch cult ) due to something that happened in their past. :) |
| I'm now convinced that some people don't any attention to shows they watch despite reasons given the very episode. And this pointless thread that could be in the episode discussion thread and is a spoiler for anybody who hasn't watched the episode. |
Turtlewack said: I generally understand why rem killed subaru the second time, but the first time where they didn't even reveal rem, we know it was rem because of the sounds of the chain, how come that time she killed him, i'm talking about episode 6. For the same reason she attacked Subaru on the third loop. He reeks the scent of witch. Also as ColdBreeze said, Rem DIDN'T kill Subaru on the third loop, but it was Ram. You should read the posts of the people that are trying to help you. |
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Turtlewack said: I generally understand why rem killed subaru the second time, but the first time where they didn't even reveal rem, we know it was rem because of the sounds of the chain, how come that time she killed him, i'm talking about episode 6. cause he got that bitch's perfume on him that didn't change between the loops. |
mmccaskill said: I'm kind of done with this anime for a list of reasons that go on for miles. It's mainly the protagonists. The witch's scent thing is a stupid ass excuse. Subaru is the worst detective in existence through his inability to ask or explain things. There's no context as to why he can't explain Return by Death. Even if it's a valid reason the series doesn't do a good job showing why. Did you drop the anime before seeing episode 7? Because if so, then you would never understand why Subaru cannot ask nor explain things. Problem with some people is, they aren't patient enough. |
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mmccaskill said: Well that's your problem. Easy basic spoon fed kiddy story is your forte than that's ok. No one should be this confused about any story 7 episodes in. The witch scent is not an excuse. The witch was mentioned WAY WAY back in ep 1. Each loop gives the viewers more information of the universe Subaru is in. I'm glad they didn't tell you everything all at once like typical a shounen show. *barf* The story is extremely well done and the character development is superb. Utterly one of the best if not THE BEST portrayal of human nature I've seen on screen. (It has all the potential to be the next steins gate IF not BETTER) |
TeamDalaiLanaMay 18, 2016 9:36 PM
| Down on the West Coast They got a sayin' |
mmccaskill said: Watch it again. It was before he explained it that the hand thing came out. Not after. He was explicitly prevented from saying what he intended to say.SCAR101 said: Did you drop the anime before seeing episode 7? Because if so, then you would never understand why Subaru cannot ask nor explain things. Problem with some people is, they aren't patient enough. I watched episode 7 and it still did not give context to anything. You tell me if we watched the same anime. Because it's not like he's an expert on Return By Death and how it works - at this point as far as I know. All it showed was that after explaining it it looked like he would die. And if you need to drop, do so. There seems to be an indication that you're not into this type of series, which poses questions before answering them, rather than one that hints at (or even spoon feeds) answers before the questions are posed. |
mmccaskill said: When I mean context I mean some inherent common sense. Like what the Witch's scent is. It's not part of the mystery and if it were why bring it up. If someone said I have the witch's scent on me I would ASK WHAT THAT IS. Exposition doesn't hurt sometimes. Especially if it's framed unprovoked.. Except it is part of mystery because that is why Rem mistrusts him as said herself. It's Subaru's job to delve into that when he's able to. And just because something not immediately answered (and why would tell Rem tell Subaru what it is if she already believes he's part of cult anyway?) doesn't you will not get an answer. That would be last thing on Subaru's mind at the moment with him still trying accept the reality of what is happening. The reader should not ever demand answers from the author, he or she the givens answer when they feel it's appropriate to reveal them in the most natural way. That's how any story telling works. There no reason to think the witch scent would not be important, Subaru still not little about his situation or this world to begin so why should it be a surprise he would accused of things he would not know? Nobody knows he's form another world to begin with and much less believe him if told them. Besides your given enough context that Witch's scent is bad going by Rem's and Betty's words and what we know about Satella. We obviously going to find out more, but your hardly left without a rope here. It's hard speculate your answers before your told. |
Iron_MawMay 18, 2016 10:16 PM
mmccaskill said: Rem's attack on Subaru due to speculations is in itself dumb regardless of the reason unless it was the truth. I'm used to stories were people jump to conclusion but I'll say it till I'm blue in the face. There was no context as to why other than some "smell" Which is being passed off as nothing by the hero. He heard it twice with in mere minutes by 2 different people. One of which who is aware of his reversing time. A phrase...that seems very important so it seems pretty pertinent to address what it is. If Subaru has time to act like silly guy with what appears to be some ambiguous disorder he has time to address things that can actually help him out of this predicament. That isn't demanding anything out of author, it's simply expecting the author to make sense. Knowing something is bad isn't context btw. : o Look like I said again you have all context you need without the author spelling everything out immediately. Don't blame the author if aren't going to bother looking at the foreshadowing. And no it's not mere speculation, anyone who has the witch's scent is definitely involved with a witch whether they know about it or not. That already prove by the episode itself when dark hand attacks Subaru for even trying to mention the existence of his power and Betty's conversation with him. Those are the fact that readily available in the anime. The only real questions are what Rem's past with Witch Cult the would make her react that way, who is Satella exactly and who is causing the curse. And Subaru obviously doesn't asks questions at first because he's suffering from PSTD at the moment. How let the poor guy recover his witts first? All the setup has been layed down so don't even tell me even now that you can't see that after I've put it out for you, because if not then drop the show. And Betty doesn't even know about him his ability reverse time, where did you get that from? |
Iron_MawMay 18, 2016 11:33 PM
 The witch herself and the smell have been addressed multiple times spanning different episodes. Rem/Ram suspicion started way back in episode 4. I seriously wonder the attention span of people. Honestly, I don't feel the need to spend my energy explaining things any further. |
TeamDalaiLanaMay 18, 2016 10:46 PM
| Down on the West Coast They got a sayin' |
| T TeamDalaiLana said: The witch herself and the smell has been addressed multiple times spanning different episodes. Rem/Ram suspicion started way back in episode 4. I seriously wonder the attention span of people. If it was brought up in episodes before then that's fine. I sometimes worry about the attention span of other people too. You seem to be under the confusion of - yet again - what I meant by context. The smell of the witch and witch herself were brought up but never discussed or talked about. Even the question "Why do you smell her on me" is so vague to ask as it is as question. What's worse the response is: "Who knows". And I concede that she says that Subaru receives preferential treatment from her. Which is distinctly the most anyone has every said anything that could be conferred as a contextual hook. Please get off of your high horse. No one demanded your explanation. Present your case and let it speak for yourself. |
mmccaskillMay 18, 2016 10:55 PM
| Poor excuse for not paying attention. I get it, your the type who doesn't like to admit when he's wrong. If you can't handle the fact that author will set certain things up as mysteries and reveal more the world as the story goes on then just drop it. Cause you aren't getting info dump and after info dump about everything about single like some crappy LN. |
Iron_MawMay 18, 2016 10:56 PM
| Except you haven't. You say don't like to be spoonfed so the author doesn't instead leaves foreshadow and context clues by both dialogue and characters reactions. You ignore all of them to whine about there being no context when it is there and nearly everyone from manga readers to anime watchers have able to grasp them. That fact you even mistaken Betty about knowing about his time loops shows don't pay attention to what's onscreen as much as you think. At this point multiple posters including me have shown the context behind the characters without revealing the full story, if still going be willfully ignorant then this conversation is done. I don't care pointless circular argument where I feel like talking a brick wall no matter how point things out. I've said my piece so I'm out. |
Iron_MawMay 18, 2016 11:46 PM
mmccaskill said: 2.) I don't think I've mistaken Betty and the time loops. She did make it clear that they had met once before confirming that she is somewhat aware of the phenomenon even if she doesn't know what it is. Remember that Subaru's loop starts right after Beatrice used her mana drain on him. This is why she has some memory of him. Subaru wakes up --> Finds Beatrice in the library --> She uses the mana drain --> Subaru passes out and wakes up again. |
| It's like the entire story hasn't been told, or something. It's like there's a new episode on monday. |
BonerBender said: It's like the entire story hasn't been told, or something. It's like there's a new episode on monday. You're actually completely accurate with that. We don't get the whole story told right away. Many things only make sense after some revelations later on. The way the author writes his early parts of the story actually require you to draw connections non stop. For example an attentively viewer can already draw many connections that you won't even come up with if you just casually watch the episodes. |
mmccaskill said: Which it isn't. Tell me if these situations are congruent Betty uses mana drain on Subaru, CONVERSELY Betty remembers Subaru? Can I get proof where she proclaims this is the reason she remembers him. B: "How are you breaking through my door crossing?" S: "You said I broke through Door Crossing last time and now right? B: "I just teased you about it, three or four hours ago, for being so insensitive" S: "If this is the second time I've woken up in the mansion, then you remember me, right?" B: "If I could, I'd rather erase you from my memory" I don't know how they can shove it clearer into your face than that. Note that this conversation happens in episode 5 after Subaru has died once, meaning everything has been reset once too. Not only is the moving of the checkpoint made clear with that but the show also clarifies that the reason Beatrice remembers him his due to their first meeting that ended with the mana drain in episode 4. Oh and to top it off this conversation even leads Subaru to the conclusion that the "checkpoint" has been moved forward. Since Beatrice remembering him is used as the evidence for that conclusion we can safely assume that this the truth and it is backed up as such. Sorry but you can't get it clearer than this. And no don't expect a "I remember you because of our first meeting and not because I'm not affected by your time loops" line from her because a certain black hand prohibits any conversation involving the loop power. |
FappaMay 19, 2016 4:28 PM
mmccaskill said: I did just watch this. That's not conclusive. You even admit that this is what you're assuming. I have to make this analogy simple now. Mana Drain ! = Remember Subaru. Maybe but no one explicitly stated that it is nor is it implied. You are inferring that is the case. The checkpoint of Return by Death may have changed but that's it. I think you're trying to get me to see something that's clearly NOT BEING SHOWN or SAID. Only speculated. Maybe "safely assuming" was the wrong wording I'm sorry, let me rephrase it "it is the case". Beatrice literally says herself that the reason she remembers him is because "she teased him three or four hours ago" after Subaru asks her. The show clarifies it like that because it can't talk about it word by word because of said hand. Um, do you see those two speculate? All Subaru does is getting a clarification from her. How is that not being shown or said? If he said something like "Maybe the reason she treats me like she knows me is because she remembers our first meeting. This means my checkpoint has changed" in a monologue then yeah that would have been mere speculations, I agree. But Subaru actively gets clarification from Beatrice in an open dialogue. His speculations which we don't even get to see immediately get their backup that proves them through Beatrice's answers. Look, I really try to refrain from putting spoilers in my reasoning which would only back up my point. I don't because it isn't necessary, it's just delivered in such a direct way to you, the viewer. |
FappaMay 19, 2016 4:51 PM
| Don't find Subaru really stupid ( I agree with being impulsive sometimes) in fact he's smarter most average people and definitely thinks things through most of the time.. That aside this topic has clearly run it's course, there no point in arguing with someone this dense and defensive. |
Iron_MawMay 20, 2016 3:40 AM
| One of the orignal reasons is that Rem/Ram has very high distrust, it gets even worse when "something else" like the smell of witch add more into that distrust. |
Jagd84 said: Don't find Subaru really stupid ( I agree with being impulsive sometimes) in fact he's smarter most average people and definitely thinks things through most of the time.. That aside this topic has clearly run it's course, there no point in arguing with someone this dense and defensive. My thoughts exactly. |
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