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May 14, 2016 12:38 AM

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Aw man!

Owari no Seraph is yaoi bait???

Goddammit, I was planning on watching that!
May 14, 2016 1:10 AM

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It's not gay love, it's phedophile love! I thought I'd watch it, and then saw the "shonen ai" tag. You can see I have few shonen ai animes I watched, but hell, yak, the gap is diguisting. They can come back when kisses are removed.


May 14, 2016 1:11 AM

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DmonHiro said:
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Why do people think Super Lovers is a "gay" anime?

Because it IS. Read around to find out what happens in the manga. It's 100% gay. OP basically said "It's not gay, it just has a few kisses between males. IT'S NOT GAY, HONEST!" It's gay, OP, just accept it.

And yes, I avoid gay anime because I have no interest in a love story between guys. I just don't care. Why would I waste time on something I don't care about?


Why shouldn't you care, though? It's a story about people who experience something similar to you but also different. That sounds interesting to me.
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May 14, 2016 1:19 AM
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Each person has different preferences for the anime they watch. If you don't like a certain genre, that doesn't make you a bad person. It just depends on the reason itself. People judging you for the things you like and making conclusions is inevitable. Specially if you keep shoving your passion into people's faces and announcing it each second. Just stop thinking you're the center of attention and that everybody cares about your anime. Nobody cares, including me.

I have no problem watching any genre, except ecchi, hentai including yaoi and yuri. And that's because of the explicit content that doesn't appeal to me. That being said, Shoujo-ai and Shounen-ai are ok with me. Also I have no problem in shipping gay or lesbian characters if they're suitable for each other.
May 14, 2016 2:08 AM

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People are homophobic and insecure pretty much sums it up.
May 14, 2016 2:37 AM
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Just becuase this is about "gay anime" doesn't make it any less stupid than any other "why doesn't evryone like what I like?" threads. So...



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The reason people avoid anime they consider "gay" is because they're afraid of their own sexuality. A lot of men associate their masculinity with their attraction to women, and consider anything gay effeminate.

To put it simply, they're afraid they're going to see something they like. ;)

lol yeah, why would HETEROSEXUAL men associate their sexuality with liking women? Hmm...
May 14, 2016 2:43 AM

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UselessEgg said:
People are homophobic and insecure pretty much sums it up.


So if a lesbian doesn't enjoy gay animes, does that make her a homophobe?
May 14, 2016 2:53 AM

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>.> Pretty much hope that people not into yaoi or shonen ai don't watch it. Seriously... when normal people figure out about it and dare each other to watch it like Boku no Pico, the score becomes incredibly LOW no matter how good the anime is for the genre. Seriously... hentai is so under rated most of the time because people are embarrassed to have enjoyed it or... they were dared to watch something they really wouldn't have liked... porny stuff is so subjective. I personally minus points if a girl pees or bleeds in hentai. I hate it. I like some of the tamest stuff.

But anyway... I PURPOSEFULLY watch slashable or gay anime. My husband and I both love it. But usually, I just find it cheesy or I get disappointed that they didn't adapt the manga how I wanted. I think that is the real reasons for the low scores.

So much shonen ai and yaoi has poor quality. Sadly enough, the Pico series is actually high quality.... ._. but most people don't know that.
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May 14, 2016 2:58 AM

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I avoid it because well, im not interested in it??

Am i not allowed to hav my own preference like every other person.
May 14, 2016 2:59 AM

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elly-sama said:
UselessEgg said:
People are homophobic and insecure pretty much sums it up.


So if a lesbian doesn't enjoy gay animes, does that make her a homophobe?


I don't blame you for not liking them. A lot of the anime with queer themes are homophobic. I kinda enjoy watching out for that stuff. I personally review all the shonen ai watching out for stuff like that in a shonen ai/yaoi group I am in. I have found slash to just be good fun for the most part...

Do you like Sailor Moon or Revolutionary Girl Utena? They don't have the label for shojo ai for whatever reason but the themes are heavy, especially in Utena.
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May 14, 2016 3:01 AM

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orosan said:
I avoid it because well, im not interested in it??

Am i not allowed to hav my own preference like every other person.


Good. Avoid it. I want that personally. I wish most people were like you and didn't watch things they would know for sure they would hate. Well unless you would get some enjoyment from watching it. Like to heckle it. Because I watch a lot of bad anime on that premise. Especially old dubs. But sometimes I am surprised it is actually good.
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May 14, 2016 3:26 AM

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I'm not gay so I don't watch gay anime
May 14, 2016 4:20 AM

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It's always the males who avoid gay anime. Thery're too afraid of others thinking they're gay because they watch a gay anime. Well, they shouldn't be. Little more open mindedness goes a long way.
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May 14, 2016 4:25 AM

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JustALEX said:
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You can blame the fujoshis for that.

This!

@Fujoshis, stop making everything gay.


Nobody is forcing you to look at yaoi fanart or dojinshi so we can do whatever we like with yaoi.
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May 14, 2016 4:34 AM

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Thebigofan said:
JustALEX said:

This!

@Fujoshis, stop making everything gay.


Nobody is forcing you to look at yaoi fanart or dojinshi so we can do whatever we like with yaoi.


Ecxactly. It's not like we complain about Doujinshis and Hentai
May 14, 2016 5:54 AM

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where will this thread lead...meh. well, rants all u want, u won't stop the gay~ness. Too bad for ppl who badmouthing SL just because Ren is younger than Haru, too bad.

May 14, 2016 6:53 AM

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i got nothing against gay people.

but i'd much rather seeing two dudes fight each other in a deadly battle than seeing them getting all touchy feely and talk each other heart's out. shounen-ai is just not my cup of tea, just like how i avoid mecha, harem, and ecchi as a genre. nothing personal.
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I HATE GAY ANIME. :) that's about it. NO OFFENSE FOR THE GAY people.
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May 14, 2016 9:33 AM

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EphemeralMoon said:
Why does Yaoi even exist??


Yeah,, there should just be yuri. :p
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May 14, 2016 9:38 AM

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I'm not into male gay and incest.
Why should I bother if I can find anime with same themes and without gay dudes kissing themselves for fujoshi fanbase?
May 14, 2016 12:36 PM

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whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

who are you even arguing against I mean cmon
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May 14, 2016 12:41 PM

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JustALEX said:
Aw man!

Owari no Seraph is yaoi bait???

Goddammit, I was planning on watching that!


is it fuck. The 2 main protagonists are like brothers...not in love lol...then again I ain't read THAT much of the manga.
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May 14, 2016 7:57 PM

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JustALEX said:
Aw man!

Owari no Seraph is yaoi bait???

Goddammit, I was planning on watching that!


Yeah, its pretty borderline gay if i'd say so myself. But that wasn't what made the show bad, imo. It was terrible without the yaoi undertones.
May 14, 2016 9:01 PM
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Here's the way I see it: I don't think that there's anything wrong with people avoiding yaoi or yuri as a genre, since those genres are essentially same-gender romance fanservice, and obviously not everybody is going to be interested in that. Similarly the homoerotic subtext in shows like Free! is clearly meant to appeal to a certain demographic, even if it is just teasing.

The problem is when anything with a same gender romance or gay/bi characters is called "yaoi". So many people claimed to drop Haruchika solely because a male character had a completely one-sided crush on a male teacher. And, of course, those people were screaming "yaoi".

Just because an anime has a romance or a character expressing interest in someone else does not make it a romance anime. And just because an anime happens to have a gay/bi character or there is a same gender couple does not make it yaoi/yuri.

I don't see why this is so difficult to understand. Game of Thrones and countless other western shows have male/male and female/female couples and sex scenes, yet they are clearly not "gay" or "lesbian" shows. Nor does it seem to stop millions of people from enjoying them. Another example is Steven Universe, a western cartoon. I know a lot of women who find Ruby and Sapphires relationship adorable and well-written, even though they are not attracted to women themselves.
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May 14, 2016 9:21 PM

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In order to be considered a genuine MAL member you must have the ability to create and manifest topics in such a convoluted way that are otherwise, perfectly normal. As I see, most people here failed the criteria, as they're too busy trying to denounce themselves as gay or non-gay when the OP doesn't really asks about this.

My take on this would be, anything that indirectly hurts one's ego will always manage to get a 3 and below rating, most of the time. Watching anime has its "looking at the mirror" aspect into it, and sadly no one can fully eliminate this bias or cognitive distortion. (not even me, yes)

If you want to become more insightful on this particular matter, READ HOMUNCULUS manga.
May 14, 2016 9:40 PM

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Generally speaking, I guess you could say that I avoid yaoi or yuri-themed series, but usually it's not because of the sexuality. Most of the time, the plot for a series like that isn't what I'm looking for in an entertainment medium. Of course, I'm sure there would be some smart aleck that will look at my list and say, "but you're a romance fan, how come you avoid homosexual romance?" In general, homosexuality really doesn't bother me that much, but it's not something I can entirely understand and I don't think it's something I would find all that entertaining as a focal plot point. That and most of the romance anime I do watch has plot points away from the romance that make the series better than for just the romance. When I do come across a yuri or yaoi relationship in an anime I'm watching, it doesn't bother me at all.

For example, one of my all-time favorite anime is Shinsekai Yori and I swear it seemed like I was in the minority of people that wasn't bothered at all when that show was going through its second arc. People spewed vile crap about how grossed out they were by Shun and Satoru's relationship (spoilers, but not really) with a lot of people claiming they dropped the series after that...which is stupid because the series (in my opinion) is absolutely amazing and dropping an anime just because two dudes make out in that series is a petty and shallow reason for dropping a series you're enjoying.

Ianamus also touched on it, but a lot of people dropped Haruchika because they discovered that Haru was gay for liking his male teacher, Kusakabe. To be honest, I probably found the age disparity to be more disturbing than the sexuality of the characters, same could be said for Chika as well since she had a crush on Kusakabe as well. The problems Haruchika had as a series spanned far beyond the sexuality of the main characters.
May 14, 2016 10:45 PM

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Well I've seen four episodes of Black Butler. Man, it really is kinda funny and pretty cool but it definitely has those gay vibes... Like, I enjoyed what I saw, but not sure if I'm going to press onwards lol.

Something like Kamisama Kiss is like the perfect level of fanciness or romance for me. BB might even be a bit much to handle. Great show though, I really don't wanna say anything bad about it.

On the other hand I might just feel like 'man, idgaf' and finish watching it one day. Like it doesn't really matter /shrug.
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May 15, 2016 3:12 AM

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I haven't seen Super Lovers yet but I plan to as soon as it finishes airing.

But yes it is "gay" or however else anyone else calls it. I've read the manga (which I love) and the relationship between the brothers do become sexual at some point and does go beyond just being brothers/family... though IDK how far the anime will take it since they say it's only going to be 10 episodes and the manga is rather long.

Anyway, I for one don't "draw a line" in that area... I embrace Yaoi and Shounen-ai and everything in between. Long live BL!!

I'm a girl btw, so idk what that makes me but I'm 100% straight if that's of any significance.
My boyfriend does think I'm weird for obsessing over BL but he has long since accepted this.. err... way of life hobby(?) ( ̄ω ̄)
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May 15, 2016 3:24 AM

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It's easy. If there's giant-ass hands and scrunchy effeminate-masculine faces (you know what im talking about with this) then just don't watch it.
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elly-sama said:
UselessEgg said:
People are homophobic and insecure pretty much sums it up.


So if a lesbian doesn't enjoy gay animes, does that make her a homophobe?

If you're being serious: internalized homophobia is a possibility.

But what you probably mean: Using a hypothetical minority as an allusion to heteros not enjoying gay anime doesn't really do much to discredit what I said. People are allowed to have preferences. But lesbians aren't the ones being annoyingly loud and exclaiming their fragile sexuality every time there's any slight male interaction happening on screen.
May 15, 2016 4:15 AM

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I avoid gay anime because I'm not gay
May 15, 2016 4:18 AM

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I HATE GAY ANIME. :) that's about it. NO OFFENSE FOR THE GAY people.


I HATE BLACK PEOPLE, no offense for black people.

>I hate you
>Don't take it way too personal

I'm not racist, I was just using another example


.......why u do dis 2 me
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Xenocrisi said:
zurgboy00 said:
I HATE GAY ANIME. :) that's about it. NO OFFENSE FOR THE GAY people.


I HATE BLACK PEOPLE, no offense for black people.

>I hate you
>Don't take it way too personal

I'm not racist, I was just using another example


.......why u do dis 2 me

Really?

I mean, C'mon...surely you see the flaw in your argument, right?

He said he hated gay anime not gay people...
May 15, 2016 4:33 AM

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because super lovers is a goddamn incest anime maybe? wtf deen seriously

also sports anime are not gay, people just mistake team bonds with The Gayness and thats not good.
May 15, 2016 4:35 AM

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It's gay because it's gay. It's like saying Clannad's primary audience isn't straight males - there's just no getting around it when the entire thing is structured on romantic development. If it's a high quality production, people outside of the target demographic may also find them enjoyable, but let's not kid ourselves about that romance tag, and how it often translates to fanservice or self-insert material. The art and title of Super Lovers shows what it's marketing itself as, so it's no surprise that people who aren't interested in seeing BL are going to steer clear.

The distinction should become less apparent when romance isn't the point of the anime - for example, No.6 has about as much romance as Baccano, so it's missing the Shonen-Ai tag, even though the primary relationship is gay. The romance is present and a motivating factor, but it's not the absolute focus of the show. When the emphasis diminishes, the primary appeal of the show also shifts to whatever the rest of the show is about, and more people will be able to overlook orientations that don't get them properly hot and bothered. For something like Free, that's not even marketed for being gay, you'll get a lot more people wiling to watch it regardless of sexual orientation.
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JustALEX said:
Xenocrisi said:


I HATE BLACK PEOPLE, no offense for black people.

>I hate you
>Don't take it way too personal

I'm not racist, I was just using another example


.......why u do dis 2 me

Really?

I mean, C'mon...surely you see the flaw in your argument, right?

He said he hated gay anime not gay people...


Well, isn't it the same thing? If you hate gay anime you surely don't like gay people either, I think. I mean, I would hate both personally.
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I wanted to make a gay joke in this thread, butt fuck it ~~

@OP: Please define "gay anime" , because i usually avoid otaku bait shit like Free! or Valkyrie Drive, do those qualify as "gay" ?
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Xenocrisi said:
JustALEX said:

Really?

I mean, C'mon...surely you see the flaw in your argument, right?

He said he hated gay anime not gay people...


Well, isn't it the same thing? If you hate gay anime you surely don't like gay people either, I think. I mean, I would hate both personally.


No it's not.

I have never watched an anime with focus on yaoi and I probably never will and yet one of the guys at my workplace is gay and I don't have a single problem with that.
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If it's made by DEEN, it's not worth watching. That's the rule I've learned after watching most of their trainwreck fujoshi pandering yaoi anime, with the 1 exception of Sakura Trick.
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I wanted to make a gay joke in this thread, butt fuck it ~~

@OP: Please define "gay anime" , because i usually avoid otaku bait shit like Free! or Valkyrie Drive, do those qualify as "gay" ?

Depends on what you define as gay I guess. I'm just asking if the sexuality of a character or the same-sex fanservice or homosexual overtones in general have ever turned you off an anime. As someone pointed out, the characters in Free are not gay but there is definite fanservice to that effect, so I probably would consider it a tad gay :P

Trying to think of a gay joke... Life without women would be a pain in the ass, literally.
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Xenocrisi said:
JustALEX said:

Really?

I mean, C'mon...surely you see the flaw in your argument, right?

He said he hated gay anime not gay people...


Well, isn't it the same thing? If you hate gay anime you surely don't like gay people either, I think. I mean, I would hate both personally.


2 Completely Different things. But its you so feel free to limit your view on everything.I know some gay people some of them are my friends but for shows that depicts male to male going physical and touchy romatic to other male characters well that just purely disgusts me so I never will watch those gay shows. I also do have a threshold on when a show gets too gay for me other than that I liked Free and Prince of Stride that's about it.
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I'm a girl and I avoid most BL anime. It has nothing to do with me being a homophobe or insecure about my sexuality. I know a lot of bi and gay people, some of them I'm friends with and I am perfectly fine with that.

The reason why I tend to avoid most of those kinds of anime is the horrible way in which most of them are presented - full of cliches and stereotypes and bad characterization. It's like watching any other smutty, cliched shoujo out there, the only difference being that both characters have penises. I forgot who mentioned it but the seme/uke thing is also bullshit. You're not doing anything but trying to mimic heterosexual relationship dynamics like that. In fact, I tend to avoid most purely romance-oriented anime/manga in general, with the exception of a few titles where the romance is done more or less right to me.

So, yeah, like some people here, I would also like if people didn't automatically label everyone who has no interest in yaoi/BL as a homophobe. Lack of interest in something does NOT equal phobia. I'm not interested in golf either, oh noes, I must be golf phobic rofl

And yes, Super Lovers IS a gay anime. I thought it was more than obvious.
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For the record, people (and by people, I mean salty otaku guys), will induce a backlash against anime with very strong homoerotic subtext. Free! is an infamous example, yes, but a more recent example would be Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu. I follow one of the writers for ANN and apparently people were spam down-rating Rakugo's episodes because it can easily be interpreted that the main character is gay and in love with his best friend.


It's just sad that what I consider to be the best anime of Winter 2016 hands down was overlooked just because the main character can be read as gay. Seriously, Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu has everything you want in an anime. That's another proof that the OP's general question is relevant for today's anime community, even if he didn't pick the best example.
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Well yaoi/shonen ai just doesn't appeal to me, granted I've never seen one, I never saw any sort of horror anime till Mirai Nikki, and I liked that.

So I guess I could watch one but I've just never found one that could appeal to me.
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Well yaoi/shonen ai just doesn't appeal to me, granted I've never seen one, I never saw any sort of horror anime till Mirai Nikki, and I liked that.

So I guess I could watch one but I've just never found one that could appeal to me.


Try watching corpse party for that horror anime :)
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I honestly did not read any of the replies to this thread. Only the first post. I hope that won't be a problem.

To give my personal viewpoint on this question: While I don't have anything against homosexual people, be they lesbian, gay, or something else, I seriously can't stand this stuff considered "yaoi" at all. Like, no offense to those who like it - But I truly can't get into that. It's, like, the biggest "turn-off" (That's not in any way meant sexually, by the way. Just couldn't find a better word.) ever for me. As I said before, I cannot really explain my reasoning behind this (Since I don't have anything against "real life" gay couples the reason can't really be me having 0 tolerance or something.) - But I just can't watch, read, or whatever, something "yaoi". At all.
(Agaaaaiin, I really want to put emphasis on this point, since this is a sensitive topic: I do NOT mean ANY offense to gay people, or people liking that "yaoi" stuff. Honestly!)

As an example: While I really liked the story of the anime "Seraph of the End", I couldn't bring myself to watch the second season because of that constant "gay vibe" I was getting in the first one. The way they portrayed that Yuu and Mika guy was just a little, too, uuuh... You know what I mean. It wasn't anything even remotely explicit, but it still was a little too much for me. (A small reason considering that anime specifically is also that I'm just really picky with my shippings. If I want two people in an anime to get together and they don't there's a higher chance of me dropping the anime xD)

TL;DR I "hate" (That word may be a little too strong.) yaoi and unconditionally avoid such content, no offense to anyone.





PS: I feel he same about "yuri" as well: I don't have anything against lesbians in real life, but I don't want them in my anime (At least not if the main character is part of the couple). They're fine in my pr0n tho #kek
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As I said before, I cannot really explain my reasoning behind this (Since I don't have anything against "real life" gay couples the reason can't really be me having 0 tolerance or something.) - But I just can't watch, read, or whatever, something "yaoi". At all.


You can't explain it, but I think it could be a good thing to know why.
I mean, I understand that you want to avoid yaoi/yuri focused works, but you also miss the works that aren't focused into any kind of romance, and yet feature a yaoi/yuri pairing.


For example, in your PTW list, you have No.6, that anime's main pairing is a yaoi one. While it is fundamentally a dystopian sci-fi anime, which happens that its few romantic elements are mainly yaoi.
(I found it strange to find that anime in your PTW list, from what you said. へへ)
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Tpfang56 said:

And tbh, I'd love to see more canon gay relationships in mainstream anime. Sometimes there are gay characters, but usually they are portrayed as jokes and not well represented. A loooot of anime gets very, very close with the homoerotic subtext almost being just text, but never quite goes all the way. The only anime I can think of off the top of my head that does is No.6 and even it tones down from the original light novels.


that doesn't count though. even my guy friends love that show, and they avoid it just as much as i do. that is literally the ONLY anime/manga i have seen that actually has plot, and you can ignore the yaoi vibes. it still isn't my cup of tea, but i take my guy friends words for it - it's a really good story.
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this is the funniest thread i've read in a while thanks for the laughs.


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@lady_freyja
About the anime in my PTW list: I don't know when I added it there, but it probably was when someone suggested it to me at some point. This is probably making all my statements even more ambiguous and sensitive, but I didn't know about it being yaoi. (Seriously, I hope you people understand what I'm talking about, I've got a really hard time expressing myself xD Again: No offense meant to anyone)

I guess you're right about it being better for me to actually understand my reasons for my dislike of yaoi. As I said, as of now, I don't know.
*Probably* - Shit I'm totally going to sound like a weirdo - because I'm kind of weird and really get into the stories of things I watch or read. If the story is really good it can even go as far as me imagining my own "head-canon"/"sequel"/whatever to that specific story/anime (... Which I feel kind of ashamed about as a normal teenager guy. But hey, fuck stereotypes. I also don't understand why I'm wasting all my time in which I could do something useful on watching anime, but hey, that's another story xD.). Since I get really into some stories (Woahwoahwoah this is so damn hard to explain. Like, seeeeriously. Don't get anything wrong please xD), and am a clichée person whose favorite character always is the main character, I guess that "imagining/extending" the story of an yaoi-couple and me being straight just doesn't click all that well? Just a hypthesis. I mean, I don't think that I would have much against some less relevant side-characters being yaoi. Just like I don't have anything against real life people being gay, while I wouldn't get into a homosexual relationship myself. Does that make any sense whatsoever? If not, no worries, I don't really understand it myself, I guess.
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It’s time to ditch the text file.
Keep track of your anime easily by creating your own list.
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