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May 13, 2016 10:53 AM

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HyperL said:
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Jokes are supposed to be funny. These are not funny


for that i have to different answers:

1) "These are not funny, FOR ME", you should say, since comedy is extremely subjective. There's not definitive fun and not-fun just like there's not absolute right and wrong, and it all relates to that one godly word: OPINIONS.

2) Just because it's not funny doens't give you any right to judge or complain about it. You're not the boss here and there's no rules in this treat preventing people to write "bad" jokes, so really you should just leave them alone.


I have a better idea. Make a thread specifically for Attack on Titan Jokes and take that stupid stuff there. Leave discussion and theory crafting to the episode threads. There. Problem solved.
 
May 13, 2016 10:54 AM

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On_the_Lam said:
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+1 name to add to the ignore list

It's hilarious how everyone is bashing on Mumei for losing control of her emotions and making mistakes and yet if she had just shrugged off the guy's comment and acted as always, the same people would accuse her of being too perfect.

You can't please everyone, unfortunately... I personally didn't like Mumei until this episode.

More hilarious is the fact that people are comparing the black smoke to a Titan, which absolutely makes no fucking sense, and also how they think the first half of the episode was slow, when the entire episode felt like 5 minutes. Ridiculous.
i forgot that people on MAL don't know the concept of a joke
 
May 13, 2016 10:58 AM

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Darklight0303 said:
HyperL said:


for that i have to different answers:

1) "These are not funny, FOR ME", you should say, since comedy is extremely subjective. There's not definitive fun and not-fun just like there's not absolute right and wrong, and it all relates to that one godly word: OPINIONS.

2) Just because it's not funny doens't give you any right to judge or complain about it. You're not the boss here and there's no rules in this treat preventing people to write "bad" jokes, so really you should just leave them alone.


I have a better idea. Make a thread specifically for Attack on Titan Jokes and take that stupid stuff there. Leave discussion and theory crafting to the episode threads. There. Problem solved.
Then I have a question for your theories if I am not on your ignore list already. Why did a knife pierce a steel floor?
 
May 13, 2016 10:59 AM

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zal said:
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I have a better idea. Make a thread specifically for Attack on Titan Jokes and take that stupid stuff there. Leave discussion and theory crafting to the episode threads. There. Problem solved.
Then I have a question for your theories if I am not on your ignore list already. Why did a knife pierce a steel floor?


Because pissed off Mumei that's why.
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May 13, 2016 11:03 AM
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Axelucard said:
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You can't please everyone, unfortunately... I personally didn't like Mumei until this episode.

More hilarious is the fact that people are comparing the black smoke to a Titan, which absolutely makes no fucking sense, and also how they think the first half of the episode was slow, when the entire episode felt like 5 minutes. Ridiculous.
i forgot that people on MAL don't know the concept of a joke

Jokes are supposed to be funny, no?
 
May 13, 2016 11:04 AM

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KoreaWS said:
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Then I have a question for your theories if I am not on your ignore list already. Why did a knife pierce a steel floor?

Because pissed off Mumei that's why.
Well that is not really an explanation.

Why Ayame and Kurusu have become background characters during this episode? I don't mean they should've gone to battle but at least contribute somehow in the first half to the show. Ayame had just 2 useless lines and Kurusu a tsk to express his frustration, other than that background characters. Is that ok for you?

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i forgot that people on MAL don't know the concept of a joke

Jokes are supposed to be funny, no?
In fact it was funny.
 
May 13, 2016 11:07 AM

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for that i have to different answers:

1) "These are not funny, FOR ME", you should say, since comedy is extremely subjective. There's not definitive fun and not-fun just like there's not absolute right and wrong, and it all relates to that one godly word: OPINIONS.

2) Just because it's not funny doens't give you any right to judge or complain about it. You're not the boss here and there's no rules in this treat preventing people to write "bad" jokes, so really you should just leave them alone.


I have a better idea. Make a thread specifically for Attack on Titan Jokes and take that stupid stuff there. Leave discussion and theory crafting to the episode threads. There. Problem solved.


That would not live an hour since everyone is making the same remark: "look is a titan". A joke thread would be funny if people could keep making new jokes, but there's not much material to work with in the first place. Also, part of the entertainment people have comes exactly from the fact this jokes are being made in a "serious" thread.

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May 13, 2016 11:09 AM

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HyperL said:
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I have a better idea. Make a thread specifically for Attack on Titan Jokes and take that stupid stuff there. Leave discussion and theory crafting to the episode threads. There. Problem solved.


That would not live an hour since everyone is making the same remark: "look is a titan". A joke thread would be funny if people could keep making new jokes, but there's not much material to work with in the first place. Also, part of the entertainment people have comes exactly from the fact this jokes are being made in a "serious" thread.


So recycling the same joke over and over again with minor alterations sounds like a discussion to you?
 
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On_the_Lam said:
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i forgot that people on MAL don't know the concept of a joke

Jokes are supposed to be funny, no?


No, jokes are supposed to not be taken seriously. If they're funny or not is up to each person.

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May 13, 2016 11:13 AM

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Nice episode.

Sort of sad to watch Mumei this episode, She sort of underwent some kind of identity crisis making her feel real insecure which was really sad to watch.

She's always cool when fighting but in the end it was her fault that the current situation turned out what it is :(

Surprisingly Ikoma one shot the Martial Art Kabaneri xD

That Kabane amalgamation though :o
 
May 13, 2016 11:15 AM

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Nice episode.

Sort of sad to watch Mumei this episode, She sort of underwent some kind of identity crisis making her feel real insecure which was really sad to watch.

She's always cool when fighting but in the end it was her fault that the current situation turned out what it is :(

Surprisingly Ikoma one shot the Martial Art Kabaneri xD

That Kabane amalgamation though :o


Next episode should be interesting since she's going to have a lot to face once she wakes up with Ikoma there trapped with her. It's the perfect setup for her to snap and just lay bare the state of her mind and heart to Ikoma. Until the Kabane interrupt them of course.
 
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Darklight0303 said:
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That would not live an hour since everyone is making the same remark: "look is a titan". A joke thread would be funny if people could keep making new jokes, but there's not much material to work with in the first place. Also, part of the entertainment people have comes exactly from the fact this jokes are being made in a "serious" thread.


So recycling the same joke over and over again with minor alterations sounds like a discussion to you?


About the repetition, is probaly not intensional, the people doing the joke are most likely just going strait to the reply box without reading the thread beforehand, so they don't notice that the joke was already made a 100 times already.

Now about discussions, maybe you should start one, THEN you will have your serious thread rolling.

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May 13, 2016 11:20 AM

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Darklight0303 said:
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Nice episode.

Sort of sad to watch Mumei this episode, She sort of underwent some kind of identity crisis making her feel real insecure which was really sad to watch.

She's always cool when fighting but in the end it was her fault that the current situation turned out what it is :(

Surprisingly Ikoma one shot the Martial Art Kabaneri xD

That Kabane amalgamation though :o


Next episode should be interesting since she's going to have a lot to face once she wakes up with Ikoma there trapped with her. It's the perfect setup for her to snap and just lay bare the state of her mind and heart to Ikoma. Until the Kabane interrupt them of course.

Almost too perfect of a setup ,However that's exactly what I'm expecting to happen xD
Seeing them escape from the Kabane amalgamation should be real interesting as well.
 
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@Zal We knnow Mumei has above average strenght. If we assume the steel floor is thin enough, throwed with enough strenght (caused by anger because she was pissed at the 2 guys) I'd believe is posible that the knife would had crossed the floor. The thin floor might be enough to handle the passenger, given a steel structure under it to keep everything in check.

A knife is also smaller than a katana, so is harder for it to bend under pressure. On ep 3 we already saw her able to pierce a Kabane's heart with 2 Katanas, which we can assume is harder than steel.

That makes me wonder... Was ep4's Katana breaking when Kurusu impaled the dual wielding kabane plausible? I'd say he didn't had enough strenght to pierce the heart, and thus the katana broke due to the pressure. In Mumei's case I think her strenght might have caused the katanas to penetrate before breaking. I don't know if it is convincing enough but I buy it.

Oh yeah, Kurusu. He has his arm injured from the previous episode. I think you can see that when Ikoma is showing off his inventions. Since he has a 2 arm handling style, I find understandable he wasn't in the main fight. The episode also focused more on Mumei rather than anyone else, and I'm okay with it since I think her backstory is crucial for the plot, in particular her Ani-sama and all that. She also has to mature and I'm only hoping the show would tackle that.

I also think they don't give those characters some spotlight right now because the show is rushing the pace too. Look how convenient the dog thing was to fit with Mumei's situation.
I've come to peace with it, to be honest. It's not okay but what are you gonna do about it, when I think is obvious they won't slow down the pace of the show and are trying to cram the story in 12 episodes.
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Lelouch0202 said:
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Next episode should be interesting since she's going to have a lot to face once she wakes up with Ikoma there trapped with her. It's the perfect setup for her to snap and just lay bare the state of her mind and heart to Ikoma. Until the Kabane interrupt them of course.

Almost too perfect of a setup ,However that's exactly what I'm expecting to happen xD
Seeing them escape from the Kabane amalgamation should be real interesting as well.


Dealing with that huge thing is going to be a challenge. And yet I bet the train will play a part in it. Like say they make the Black smoke collapse on its side on the tracks and the train stabs through its heart. It's certainly sharp and pointy enough to do that.
 
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KoreaWS said:
@Zal We knnow Mumei has above average strenght. If we assume the steel floor is thin enough, throwed with enough strenght (caused by anger because she was pissed at the 2 guys) I'd believe is posible that the knife would had crossed the floor. The thin floor might be enough to handle the passenger, given a steel structure under it to keep everything in check.

A knife is also smaller than a katana, so is harder for it to bend under pressure. On ep 3 we already saw her able to pierce a Kabane's heart with 2 Katanas, which we can assume is harder than steel.

That makes me wonder... Was ep4's Katana breaking when Kurusu impaled the dual wielding kabane plausible? I'd say he didn't had enough strenght to pierce the heart, and thus the katana broke due to the pressure. In Mumei's case I think her strenght might have caused the katanas to penetrate before breaking. I don't know if it is convincing enough but I buy it.

Oh yeah, Kurusu. He has his arm injured from the previous episode. I think you can see that when Ikoma is showing off his inventions. Since he has a 2 arm handling style, I find understandable he wasn't in the main fight. The episode also focused more on Mumei rather than anyone else, and I'm okay with it since I think her backstory is crucial for the plot, in particular her Ani-sama and all that. She also has to mature and I'm only hoping the show would tackle that.

I also think they don't give those characters some spotlight right now because the show is rushing the pace too. Look how convenient the dog thing was to fit with Mumei's situation.
I've come to peace with it, to be honest. It's not okay but what are you gonna do about it, when I think is obvious they won't slow down the pace of the show and are trying to cram the story in 12 episodes.


Kurusu will be back in the fight soon. WE see him use that Kabane coated sword in the OP after all and the sword WAS crafted in this episode so it's only a matter of time
 
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Kurusu will be back in the fight soon. WE see him use that Kabane coated sword in the OP after all and the sword WAS crafted in this episode so it's only a matter of time


Yeah, but I was mentioning how it makes sense that he doesn't participates in this fight, due to him rehabilitating.
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KoreaWS said:
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Kurusu will be back in the fight soon. WE see him use that Kabane coated sword in the OP after all and the sword WAS crafted in this episode so it's only a matter of time


Yeah, but I was mentioning how it makes sense that he doesn't participates in this fight, due to him rehabilitating.


Oh I agree on that front wholeheartedly. Kurusu had no place to be in this operation. Without both arms he's just not viable.
 
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zal said:
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I have a better idea. Make a thread specifically for Attack on Titan Jokes and take that stupid stuff there. Leave discussion and theory crafting to the episode threads. There. Problem solved.
Then I have a question for your theories if I am not on your ignore list already. Why did a knife pierce a steel floor?
It's just because of Mumei's strength. She's able to apply enough force to regular weapons so that they can pierce steel, that's why in episode 2 she was able to kill Kabane will a normal spear.
 
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I have to wonder if Enocku will help out the train people. He might know more about the amalgamation of Kabane chasing them down. Since the Kabaneri are trapped in the collapsed tunnel and he needs to train to survive I could see him approaching Ayame and Crew
 
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HyperL said:
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Jokes are supposed to be funny, no?


No, jokes are supposed to not be taken seriously. If they're funny or not is up to each person.

Whether jokes are funny or not depends on a person's good taste of humor, or lack thereof. What exactly was the joke, again?
 
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Jokes are supposed to be funny, no?
In fact it was funny.

What exactly was funny?
 
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Then I have a question for your theories if I am not on your ignore list already. Why did a knife pierce a steel floor?
It's just because of Mumei's strength. She's able to apply enough force to regular weapons so that they can pierce steel, that's why in episode 2 she was able to kill Kabane will a normal spear.
but she was at full power that time and you say she threw that knife using her power so uselessly?

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In fact it was funny.

What exactly was funny?
Most of the comparisons to AoT
 
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Yeah, but I was mentioning how it makes sense that he doesn't participates in this fight, due to him rehabilitating.


Oh I agree on that front wholeheartedly. Kurusu had no place to be in this operation. Without both arms he's just not viable.
Yep...people complain that not many characters were involved with this plan, but the fact is they didn't need many involved... You can't expect Ayame or Kurusu to have some important role in every episode, especially when this one was clearly focused on Mumei.
 
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Oh I agree on that front wholeheartedly. Kurusu had no place to be in this operation. Without both arms he's just not viable.
Yep...people complain that not many characters were involved with this plan, but the fact is they didn't need many involved... You can't expect Ayame or Kurusu to have some important role in every episode, especially when this one was clearly focused on Mumei.


The less people involved the less chances for fuckups. If only Mumei didn't have an existential crisis forcing her to be reckless to prove her worth to herself. Alas nothing could have prevented that
 
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It feels like the story isn't progressing


How so? We learn more about Mumei and her 'Brother' aka young master. As well as the fact that the Shogunate is acting suspiciously by stockpiling weapons that can kill people not Kabane.


well guess who was right this time? remember when told you that her "brother" was the shogun? yep she calls him brother.

anyway... congratulations Mc you just compromised the lives of hundreds of people just to save one idiot. come on at least use something to keep the lever in palce to amke sure the crane is still functioning. you are an engineer stop thinking with your penis ffs.

mumei change of heart was so sudden, it 's ridiculous. i'd understand if it changed after they reached the shogun stronghold, since it would make sense she would start acting like near her Onii-sama for his validation, but during a crucial moment like that, and the worst of all, waiting for ikoma's validation when previously in the same episode she treated like shit? come on, don't turn a mumei into a damsel in distress, this is already bad as it is, but if they keep going this will be mars of destruction tier of bad writing.

and you guys are right this isn't a shingeki no kyojin rip off. it's more like a Apocalypse no Toride Rip off and Rail Wars combined.

PS: and y exactly did mumei throw all those satchel charges to the kabane? to create a smoke screen?



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Oh I agree on that front wholeheartedly. Kurusu had no place to be in this operation. Without both arms he's just not viable.
Yep...people complain that not many characters were involved with this plan, but the fact is they didn't need many involved... You can't expect Ayame or Kurusu to have some important role in every episode, especially when this one was clearly focused on Mumei.
Are you referring to me because that's not what I've said. In the second part was justified their absence, but them being just background in the first half is annoying for me, they are not thirdly characters.
 
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zal said:
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It's just because of Mumei's strength. She's able to apply enough force to regular weapons so that they can pierce steel, that's why in episode 2 she was able to kill Kabane will a normal spear.
but she was at full power that time and you say she threw that knife using her power so uselessly?
I know she didn't have her restraint removed, but she was pretty angry at those two guys and she seems to still be very powerful with the restraint. Maybe the knife shouldn't have pierced the floor, but it's not a big deal. I mean...there were far more harder to believe things going on in last week's episode with the train jumping and everything. You're not really supposed to watch this show with the mindset of it being realistic.
 
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i forgot that people on MAL don't know the concept of a joke

Jokes are supposed to be funny, no?
of course not who told you that
 
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but she was at full power that time and you say she threw that knife using her power so uselessly?
I know she didn't have her restraint removed, but she was pretty angry at those two guys and she seems to still be very powerful with the restraint. Maybe the knife shouldn't have pierced the floor, but it's not a big deal. I mean...there were far more harder to believe things going on in last week's episode with the train jumping and everything. You're not really supposed to watch this show with the mindset of it being realistic.
It's not a big deal but since someone here can't stand when someone points out obvious flaws and denies with all his might I am encouraged to complain even more. KnK is not perfect and admitting some flaws won't change that much.
 
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How so? We learn more about Mumei and her 'Brother' aka young master. As well as the fact that the Shogunate is acting suspiciously by stockpiling weapons that can kill people not Kabane.


well guess who was right this time? remember when told you that her "brother" was the shogun? yep she calls him brother.

anyway... congratulations Mc you just compromised the lives of hundreds of people just to save one idiot. come on at least use something to keep the lever in palce to amke sure the crane is still functioning. you are an engineer stop thinking with your penis ffs.

mumei change of heart was so sudden, it 's ridiculous. i'd understand if it changed after they reached the shogun stronghold, since it would make sense she would start acting like near her Onii-sama for his validation, but during a crucial moment like that, and the worst of all, waiting for ikoma's validation when previously in the same episode she treated like shit? come on, don't turn a mumei into a damsel in distress, this is already bad as it is, but if they keep going this will be mars of destruction tier of bad writing.

and you guys are right this isn't a shingeki no kyojin rip off. it's more like a Apocalypse no Toride Rip off and Rail Wars combined.

PS: and y exactly did mumei throw all those satchel charges to the kabane? to create a smoke screen?


Uh the Shogun and the young master are two different people. Enocku was telling Mumei to tell the Young Master that the Shogunate was stockpiling weapons to kill humans. So you were wrong.
 
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zal said:
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Yep...people complain that not many characters were involved with this plan, but the fact is they didn't need many involved... You can't expect Ayame or Kurusu to have some important role in every episode, especially when this one was clearly focused on Mumei.
Are you referring to me because that's not what I've said. In the second part was justified their absence, but them being just background in the first half is annoying for me, they are not thirdly characters.
In the first half too though, considering how much else they had to cover, there wasn't really time give them much of a focus. Ayame was still making important decisions of what to do, she decided to not turn back and have faith in Ikoma's plan.
 
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Why Ayame and Kurusu have become background characters during this episode? I don't mean they should've gone to battle but at least contribute somehow in the first half to the show. Ayame had just 2 useless lines and Kurusu a tsk to express his frustration, other than that background characters. Is that ok for you?


I know i'm not the one you asked this question to, but i feel like giving my opinion anyway. For me is ok that characters are useless from time to time. Everyone has their time to shine and their time not to shine either. Now from what i can assume, you are criticizing their uselessness from a writing perspective: "since they're relevant characters to the plot, they should constantly contribute to the many situations in the story to keep their relevance up" or something like that. But, if you stop looking at them as relevant characters in a fictional story (where the writing conveniently allows for the characters to be useful in some way) and imagine them as real human beings in "real" life, than it makes more sense that things would not occur with such convenience, that everyone would be able to be useful or relevant at all times. You could say that this show is quite realistic when it comes to show the inconvenience of life and how people can be useless because they're not protected by the relevance armor.

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I love the weapons in this series, I love the steampunk vibe in gerneral. this is so much better than anything else this season including Re:Zero which is excellent also. It felt like it was over in 10 mins, can't wait for next weeks episode.
 
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I love the weapons in this series, I love the steampunk vibe in gerneral. this is so much better than anything else this season including Re:Zero which is excellent also. It felt like it was over in 10 mins, can't wait for next weeks episode.


I do as well. And the guns sound and look so meaty when firing. Don't get me started about the glorious steam animations during each discharge. They captured the steampunk aesthetic perfectly.
 
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well guess who was right this time? remember when told you that her "brother" was the shogun? yep she calls him brother.

anyway... congratulations Mc you just compromised the lives of hundreds of people just to save one idiot. come on at least use something to keep the lever in palce to amke sure the crane is still functioning. you are an engineer stop thinking with your penis ffs.

mumei change of heart was so sudden, it 's ridiculous. i'd understand if it changed after they reached the shogun stronghold, since it would make sense she would start acting like near her Onii-sama for his validation, but during a crucial moment like that, and the worst of all, waiting for ikoma's validation when previously in the same episode she treated like shit? come on, don't turn a mumei into a damsel in distress, this is already bad as it is, but if they keep going this will be mars of destruction tier of bad writing.

and you guys are right this isn't a shingeki no kyojin rip off. it's more like a Apocalypse no Toride Rip off and Rail Wars combined.

PS: and y exactly did mumei throw all those satchel charges to the kabane? to create a smoke screen?


Uh the Shogun and the young master are two different people. Enocku was telling Mumei to tell the Young Master that the Shogunate was stockpiling weapons to kill humans. So you were wrong.


you do know that shogunate means the government right? the retainers around the shogun?



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Why Ayame and Kurusu have become background characters during this episode? I don't mean they should've gone to battle but at least contribute somehow in the first half to the show. Ayame had just 2 useless lines and Kurusu a tsk to express his frustration, other than that background characters. Is that ok for you?


I know i'm not the one you asked this question to, but i feel like giving my opinion anyway. For me is ok that characters are useless from time to time. Everyone has their time to shine and their time not to shine either. Now from what i can assume, you are criticizing their uselessness from a writing perspective: "since they're relevant characters to the plot, they should constantly contribute to the many situations in the story to keep their relevance up" or something like that. But, if you stop looking at them as relevant characters in a fictional story (where the writing conveniently allows for the characters to be useful in some way) and imagine them as real human beings in "real" life, than it makes more sense that things would not occur with such convenience, that everyone would be able to be useful or relevant at all times. You could say that this show is quite realistic when it comes to show the inconvenience of life and how people can be useless because they're not protected by the relevance armor.
If you think of them as human beings, Kurusu would have killed Ikoma when he found Ikoma on Ayame, also as human being would kurusu stay so quiet? That's the issue when you think that way.
I've lost faith in Ayame, she was potentially the useful princess but she turned into useless pretty quick.

Moreover I find strange that the one coming up with the strategy of putting then in one line is from Ikoma and not Kurusu who presumably has actual battle experience.

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zal said:
Are you referring to me because that's not what I've said. In the second part was justified their absence, but them being just background in the first half is annoying for me, they are not thirdly characters.
In the first half too though, considering how much else they had to cover, there wasn't really time give them much of a focus. Ayame was still making important decisions of what to do, she decided to not turn back and have faith in Ikoma's plan.
Not even a remark from what would seem the most experienced fighter kurusu?
Ayame decided practically nothing, she did give her approval but still... so passive...
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T'is a shadow titan! Such plagiarism, I can't even believe it.
i know right? Absolutely disgusting. Isayama should receive royalties for such blatant theft of his intellectual property!

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i forgot that people on MAL don't know the concept of a joke

Jokes are supposed to be funny, no?
I don't know if you're aware of this but not all jokes are meant to nor will always cater to your own personal sense of humour. More than one user here actually found Axel's joke to be funny: what are you gonna tell them? Not to laugh?
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Uh the Shogun and the young master are two different people. Enocku was telling Mumei to tell the Young Master that the Shogunate was stockpiling weapons to kill humans. So you were wrong.


you do know that shogunate means the government right? the retainers around the shogun?


and you do know I just said the Shogun and the young master are two different people. Or are you implying this mysterious young master who seems to be in charge of secret things regarding mumei and Kabaneri is somehow ignorant to what his underlings the shogunate would be doing?

You're really stretching it. Desperately so.
 
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3.5/5 from me... Rounding it to 4

I didn't really like the dialogue in this one, nor the melodramatic moments, but it made up for those shortcomings with some pretty decent fight scenes and making Ikoma actually competent both as a leader (which is a pretty rare trait for the anime protagonists) and a fighter.
That eye patch guy revealing us more of the Mumei's background and that giant thing at the end were pretty cool as well... especially the later. Now I have some pretty high expectations for the next episode.

And yeah, I see a lot of people still keep pointing out all sorts of comparisons with SnK trying to present the show as a total rip-off... Come on, stop hating, It's already differentiated itself enough from SnK:


  • Characters are very different. Ikoma and Eren are very different. I dunno how to describe this, but if they were playing MOBAs, I feel Eren would be a "mid or feed!!1" type of guy, while Ikoma would be more of a "Should I pick support" type of player.
  • So far it's more focused on the interactions between characters than SnK was (even the interactions between side characters), although I must admit that so far we have yet to meet any important human figure (or something pretending to be human at least) that Ikoma and co are supposed to take on... There is Shogunate and that guy Mumei refers to as "ani-sama", but so far we have yet to meet any of these guys.
  • To add up to the previous point, it seems that KnK will be more focused on politics. SnK is heading in that direction as well, but it seems like KnK is picking up on it earlier in the story. I mean we are having a member of nobility (Ayame) as a part of the main cast ever since episode 1.
  • Threat in SnK comes from overwhelming strength of the Titans, in KnK the main threat are numbers of Kabane which apart from their durability aren't any tougher than humans (except for wazatoris and that thing at the end of this episode whatever the hell it was)
  • Fighting scenes seem to be more realistic... I mean apart from Mumei having sick reflexes and her and Ikoma being more durable than your average human no other character has shown us any feats that seem impossible in real life. 3D maneuvering gear on the other hand... yeah, it's cool, but it just wouldn't work in reality.
    I love both approaches though, but I feel like pointing out just how different they are.
  • Of course, atmosphere and setting were different ever since episode 1.


I still like SnK quite a bit more than I like KnK so far, but it's still a very good anime. I don't see it getting as popular as SnK (at least not in the west), but it's still gonna be one of these people are gonna come back to rewatch and recommend to anyone interested in a more mature action series (as long as they don't fuck it up at some point).

Now one more thing. I've noticed everyone keeps pointing out how that "black smoke" thing at the end is a complete Titan ripoff... Just why? Most of the anime, games, movies etc whose stories are set in universes filled with monsters have giant monsters as enemies at some point. It makes viewer/player go "woah!" because it's bigger, badder and stronger than anything they've seen so far.
Also "black smoke" has a very different design than Titans from SnK. It's interesting and creepy but I don't think its anywhere close to iconic as those weird deformed Titans were.

And yeah, even if they somehow manage to move that obstacle from the rails and get the train running, how the hell are they gonna get past that thing? Go in reverse to avoid it? It'll probably catch up to them... Hell I just realized that while writing this and now I'm even more hyped for next EP.

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Darklight0303 said:
I'd love to be able to look at this thread and discus possibilities and theories for where things will go. Instead all I see is headless chickens going herpaderp a colossal titan now lol Kabaneri is such an AOT clone now.


Anyway, +1 to this. Whoever actually bothered to watch more than one episode should know that while SnK and KnK do share quite a bit of similarities, they are still two very different shows.
Not to mention that KnK is not an adaptation so it should be really fun for everyone to be guessing what's gonna happen next. But nah, "Lolzers big black titan xDDD" is the way to go.
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3.5/5 from me... Rounding it to 4

I didn't really like the dialogue in this one, nor the melodramatic moments, but it made up for those shortcomings with some pretty decent fight scenes and making Ikoma actually competent both as a leader (which is a pretty rare trait for the anime protagonists) and a fighter.
That eye patch guy revealing us more of the Mumei's background and that giant thing at the end were pretty cool as well... especially the later. Now I have some pretty high expectations for the next episode.

And yeah, I see a lot of people still keep pointing out all sorts of comparisons with SnK trying to present the show as a total rip-off... Come on, stop hating, It's already differentiated itself enough from SnK:


  • Characters are very different. Ikoma and Eren are very different. I dunno how to describe this, but if they were playing MOBAs, I feel Eren would be a "mid or feed!!1" type of guy, while Ikoma would be more of a "Should I pick support" type of player.
  • So far it's more focused on the interactions between characters than SnK was (even the interactions between side characters), although I must admit that so far we have yet to meet any important human figure (or something pretending to be human at least) that Ikoma and co are supposed to take on... There is Shogunate and that guy Mumei refers to as "ani-sama", but so far we have yet to meet any of these guys.
  • To add up to the previous point, it seems that KnK will be more focused on politics. SnK is heading in that direction as well, but it seems like KnK is picking up on it earlier in the story. I mean we are having a member of nobility (Ayame) as a part of the main cast ever since episode 1.
  • Threat in SnK comes from overwhelming strength of the Titans, in KnK the main threat are numbers of Kabane which apart from their durability aren't any tougher than humans (except for wazatoris and that thing at the end of this episode whatever the hell it was)
  • Fighting scenes seem to be more realistic... I mean apart from Mumei having sick reflexes and her and Ikoma being more durable than your average human no other character has shown us any feats that seem impossible in real life. 3D maneuvering gear on the other hand... yeah, it's cool, but it just wouldn't work in reality.
    I love both approaches though, but I feel like pointing out just how different they are.
  • Of course, atmosphere and setting were different ever since episode 1.


I still like SnK quite a bit more than I like KnK so far, but it's still a very good anime. I don't see it getting as popular as SnK (at least not in the west), but it's still gonna be one of these people are gonna come back to rewatch and recommend to anyone interested in a more mature action series (as long as they don't fuck it up at some point).

Now one more thing. I've noticed everyone keeps pointing out how that "black smoke" thing at the end is a complete Titan ripoff... Just why? Most of the anime, games, movies etc whose stories are set in universes filled with monsters have giant monsters as enemies at some point. It makes viewer/player go "woah!" because it's bigger, badder and stronger than anything they've seen so far.
Also "black smoke" has a very different design than Titans from SnK. It's interesting and creepy but I don't think its anywhere close to iconic as those weird deformed Titans were.

And yeah, even if they somehow manage to move that obstacle from the rails and get the train running, how the hell are they gonna get past that thing? Go in reverse to avoid it? It'll probably catch up to them... Hell I just realized that while writing this and now I'm even more hyped for next EP.


Ikoma may have accidentally saved the train by leaving the crane before the train could get past the collapsed tower. If they'd gone past, they would have rolled right into the Black Smoke and then they would have not had time to even run away.
 
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zal said:
HyperL said:


I know i'm not the one you asked this question to, but i feel like giving my opinion anyway. For me is ok that characters are useless from time to time. Everyone has their time to shine and their time not to shine either. Now from what i can assume, you are criticizing their uselessness from a writing perspective: "since they're relevant characters to the plot, they should constantly contribute to the many situations in the story to keep their relevance up" or something like that. But, if you stop looking at them as relevant characters in a fictional story (where the writing conveniently allows for the characters to be useful in some way) and imagine them as real human beings in "real" life, than it makes more sense that things would not occur with such convenience, that everyone would be able to be useful or relevant at all times. You could say that this show is quite realistic when it comes to show the inconvenience of life and how people can be useless because they're not protected by the relevance armor.
If you think of them as human beings, Kurusu would have killed Ikoma when he found Ikoma on Ayame, also as human being would kurusu stay so quiet? That's the issue when you think that way.
I've lost faith in Ayame, she was potentially the useful princess but she turned into useless pretty quick.

Moreover I find strange that the one coming up with the strategy of putting then in one line is from Ikoma and not Kurusu who presumably has actual battle experience.

Phoebe3315 said:
In the first half too though, considering how much else they had to cover, there wasn't really time give them much of a focus. Ayame was still making important decisions of what to do, she decided to not turn back and have faith in Ikoma's plan.
Not even a remark from what would seem the most experienced fighter kurusu?
Ayame decided practically nothing, she did give her approval but still... so passive...
Honestly I think you are asking for too much to be in one episode of a very fast paced show. The focus this time was on Mumei mainly, and secondly on Ikoma showing off his intelligence again. Kurusu and Ayame will have more of their own moments in the future.
 
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Darklight0303 said:
Xykko said:


you do know that shogunate means the government right? the retainers around the shogun?


and you do know I just said the Shogun and the young master are two different people. Or are you implying this mysterious young master who seems to be in charge of secret things regarding mumei and Kabaneri is somehow ignorant to what his underlings the shogunate would be doing?

You're really stretching it. Desperately so.

> implying kings and shoguns were never overthrown in coup d'etat by their subordinates

the way you try to dismiss everything others say as if it's a uncontested truth is pathetic to say the least.

anyway let's see how they'll get out of the mine and defeat the Kabanezord



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T'is a shadow titan! Such plagiarism, I can't even believe it.
i know right? Absolutely disgusting. Isayama should receive royalties for such blatant theft of his intellectual property!

Ah another fool calling this a SNK rip-off. Time to add you in my ignore list!
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This whole episode felt so .... so engineered. It's definitely the weakest one so far.
At least with that Kabane Titan/Giant/Behemoth/Colossus , whatever you wanna call it, we get a confirmation that supernatural is at work, and it's not a virus after all ?
 
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This whole episode felt so .... so engineered. It's definitely the weakest one so far.
At least with that Kabane Titan/Giant/Behemoth/Colossus , whatever you wanna call it, we get a confirmation that supernatural is at work, and it's not a virus after all ?


Uhhhh how does that prove supernatural? You haven't seen giant amalgamation of zombies forming giant monsters in resident evil?
 
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Darklight0303 said:
Ikoma may have accidentally saved the train by leaving the crane before the train could get past the collapsed tower. If they'd gone past, they would have rolled right into the Black Smoke and then they would have not had time to even run away.


Now that I think about it, you're right. I still have no idea how the guys on the train are gonna get out of this situation... I doubt they can put up a fight against that thing, and I somehow doubt that going in reverse is a good idea since that thing should be able to catch up to them.

Also what's gonna happen to Ikoma and Mumei? Those two are probably getting out of that mine thing in one piece, but they won't be able to help anyone on the train... Maybe some new characters are gonna show up to save the day or maybe they can use something to blow the place up... Anyway, I feel like this episode was just a build up for the next one. Hope it doesn't disappoint with some sort of asspull though.
 
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zal said:
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I know i'm not the one you asked this question to, but i feel like giving my opinion anyway. For me is ok that characters are useless from time to time. Everyone has their time to shine and their time not to shine either. Now from what i can assume, you are criticizing their uselessness from a writing perspective: "since they're relevant characters to the plot, they should constantly contribute to the many situations in the story to keep their relevance up" or something like that. But, if you stop looking at them as relevant characters in a fictional story (where the writing conveniently allows for the characters to be useful in some way) and imagine them as real human beings in "real" life, than it makes more sense that things would not occur with such convenience, that everyone would be able to be useful or relevant at all times. You could say that this show is quite realistic when it comes to show the inconvenience of life and how people can be useless because they're not protected by the relevance armor.

If you think of them as human beings, Kurusu would have killed Ikoma when he found Ikoma on Ayame, also as human being would kurusu stay so quiet? That's the issue when you think that way.
I've lost faith in Ayame, she was potentially the useful princess but she turned into useless pretty quick.

Moreover I find strange that the one coming up with the strategy of putting then in one line is from Ikoma and not Kurusu who presumably has actual battle experience.


1) When i said to think of them as human beings, i meant not personality/behavior wise, but that they're not just characters made to fulfill their role and be useful in a story, because you know, humans doesn't need a role in the "plot of life" to justify their existance.

2)So you lost faith in a character because she did not participate this one episode? Like i said, everyone has their time to shine and their time not to shine either, if the writers know how to give relevance to a character from time to time, she will have her moment soon or later.

3) Battle experience was not relevant because they're were not planning on fighting, the plan was to pass through without provoking the kabane. Ikoma was the one who planned it because he is one of the few who knows how to work with machines.

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Darklight0303 said:
Zalmox1s said:
This whole episode felt so .... so engineered. It's definitely the weakest one so far.
At least with that Kabane Titan/Giant/Behemoth/Colossus , whatever you wanna call it, we get a confirmation that supernatural is at work, and it's not a virus after all ?


Uhhhh how does that prove supernatural? You haven't seen giant amalgamation of zombies forming giant monsters in resident evil?
Does that actually happen in Resident Evil? I haven't played the series...but that sounds interesting and now I wonder if it could have inspired the Black Smoke?
 
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Darklight0303 said:
Zalmox1s said:
This whole episode felt so .... so engineered. It's definitely the weakest one so far.
At least with that Kabane Titan/Giant/Behemoth/Colossus , whatever you wanna call it, we get a confirmation that supernatural is at work, and it's not a virus after all ?


Uhhhh how does that prove supernatural? You haven't seen giant amalgamation of zombies forming giant monsters in resident evil?


Never played a RE for more than 30 mins, because shit controls, so the answer is no.
 
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