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Apr 29, 2016 9:47 PM
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u531355 said:
I'm guessing that's how Mumei became a kabaneri, by having her pregnant mother become a kabane.

Are you implying that her mother was shagging with a kabane?
or are you impying that this episode's pregnant kabane would give a birth to a 'mumei-like' kabaneri?

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Apr 29, 2016 10:01 PM

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There's something about Mumei that annoys me, like idk I kinda don't really like her character now? Such a shame tho she was quite fun in the first episode.



 
Apr 29, 2016 10:33 PM

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Unecessary and avoidable conflict generated by Mumei's withholding of essential information regarding the Kabaneri really bugged me.

Don't get me wrong tho, I can definitely understand the attitude she adopted for the majority of this episode; she's probably been a Kabaneri for years and that's certainly not the first time she has had to deal with mankind's fear and rejection. There has to be some twisted sense of satisfaction she would draw from openly provoking a bunch of peasants who'd rather see her dead but have neither the courage nor the strength to act on their feelings. And while I'm not usually the biggest fan of those excessively arrogant types of characters, Mumei's actions make sense when put in proper context.
However, not telling even Ikoma about the Kabaneri's diet doesn't make any, and as a result the whole cliffhanger situation the episode ended with comes off as rather silly.

Speaking of silly, can somebody roundhouse kick Kurusu in the face, please?
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there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
 
Apr 29, 2016 10:34 PM

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nice episode 4/5 for sure
 
Apr 29, 2016 10:54 PM

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That twist I wonder If Mumei would really kill the girls for blood if there is no kabaneri appeared.

Kurusu is annoying as always!
 
Apr 29, 2016 10:55 PM
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I love how plebs hate Kurusu, the best and most badass character in the show.
Kurusu owned Mumei's ass by parrying the bullet she throwed at him. He also owned Ikoma's edgy speech by saying I feel no shame being saved by you, followed by ordering Ikoma to kill himself.
 
Apr 29, 2016 11:02 PM
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That twist I wonder If Mumei would really kill the girls for blood if there is no kabaneri appeared.

Kurusu is annoying as always!
Mumei's the annoying type of character that expects people to understand her perfectly while saying close to nothing, but I think it's a safe assumption that she was just asking for someone to donate blood (by cutting a palm or something) rather than let her take a bite out of them.

Given she was traveling with one priest instead of a group of them, the amount of blood she requires is probably something a single person can safely provide with no risk to their health (granted the priest was a rather big fellow).
 
Apr 29, 2016 11:39 PM

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I think that Mumei could have told Ikoma that Kabaneri eat/drink blood.
 
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I love how plebs hate Kurusu, the best and most badass character in the show.
Kurusu owned Mumei's ass by parrying the bullet she throwed at him. He also owned Ikoma's edgy speech by saying I feel no shame being saved by you, followed by ordering Ikoma to kill himself.
sounds like your perfect samurai asshole to me
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Kellhus said:
GuusWayne said:
there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
 
Apr 30, 2016 1:11 AM

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My dislike of Mumei furthered this episode. I heavily dislike the characters which are needlessly antagonistic. She goes out of her way to be as vague as possible, explaining absolutely nothing. She's fully aware of the fact that tensions are high and that it endangers everyone but doesn't even attempt to explain her reasoning.

Ugh. Can't stand characters like that.

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Why you still insist is a virus, if until now we only know its "not a curse", according to Ikoma, and a curse according to everyone else? Nice jump to conclusions.

In episode two Ikoma himself said that it is a virus. Yeah, I checked it out.

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It already did, starting with the zombie breed. Care to take the arguments seriously now?

And Ikoma said there is science behind it. So it is scientific. :D

You have lost every argument against me now and you don't let it go by discussing that implying "science" is wrong.


Ikoma is assuming it's a virus. Him thinking it's the case doesn't make it true. They haven't touched on it whatsoever since then. No explanations or exposition on it have been had yet. Claiming it's all wrong is rather silly at this point.
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Apr 30, 2016 2:18 AM

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Then why the symptom didn't get back when he stopped strangling himself?
Kabane don't have purple skin either, just gray/pallid skin, so it's likely a symptom that only shows up on initial infection.

My theory is that it's related to their regenerative abilities: the skin's going purple because blood vesslers are rupturing from excess blood flow (although a bruise should start yellow instead of purple, but that wouldn't show up very well), so by reducing the blood flow to his head he managed to stop that from happening in his brain (thus preventing himself from going feral), and it went away when his regeneration finally kicked in to fix the damage and prevent further ruptures.


@MysteriousBanana

If you replace Migi with a pathogen virus, it would be the same routine of fictional co-existence.
 
Apr 30, 2016 2:25 AM

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@kamisama751, you really love Attack on Trainwreck, don't you?
I haven't seen anyone be so dedicated to an anime as you have, even filling your signature with Kabaneri stuff.

I know, you just love the show and you say all this shit cause you wanna hear people praise the anime and tell you the good parts about it? Right? Right?
 
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I thought I was watching Tokyo Ghoul with that ending :P



 
Apr 30, 2016 4:00 AM
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kamisama751 said:
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Ikoma is assuming it's a virus. Him thinking it's the case doesn't make it true. They haven't touched on it whatsoever since then. No explanations or exposition on it have been had yet. Claiming it's all wrong is rather silly at this point.

Don't know if you are for or against me(or in the middle)? But doesn't that mean each theory (science and zombie) are valid until the show reveals the truth?
Wouldn't stop us from eliminating theories as more of the plot is revealed while the story progresses. So far we know for a fact that Ikoma's wrong about how the infection works, because if he was right he would be cured instead of trying to give Ayame a facelift with his teeth.

Given it's a steampunk setting and absolutely no other mystic/occult elements have been hinted at (unless that silhouette of the long-haired swordsman in the OP is the hint), it would be weird for it to really be a curse.

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If you replace Migi with a pathogen virus, it would be the same routine of fictional co-existence.
I dunno, Migi's a sentient parasite, so it's not strange that he would choose not to fully infect the host. A virus can't choose.
 
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kamisama751 said:

Don't know if you are for or against me(or in the middle)? But doesn't that mean each theory (science and zombie) are valid until the show reveals the truth?
Wouldn't stop us from eliminating theories as more of the plot is revealed while the story progresses. So far we know for a fact that Ikoma's wrong about how the infection works, because if he was right he would be cured instead of trying to give Ayame a facelift with his teeth.

Given it's a steampunk setting and absolutely no other mystic/occult elements have been hinted at (unless that silhouette of the long-haired swordsman in the OP is the hint), it would be weird for it to really be a curse.

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If you replace Migi with a pathogen virus, it would be the same routine of fictional co-existence.
I dunno, Migi's a sentient parasite, so it's not strange that he would choose not to fully infect the host. A virus can't choose.


The point is that the agent (of contamination) doesn't necessary choose.

 
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"Ok we get it, this show isn't a masterpiece (and doesn't try to be)... so what?", implying that it's still worth something without any explanation. What kind of fallacy is that?

@Inferno792 I'm pretty sure the numerous flaws of SnK with zombies make him laugh, and he merely enjoys criticizing... what's your point?

Also, @On_the_Lam: "A character's action or ability obviously happens for the sake of plot and the fact that people keep using that as an excuse to shit on an anime is laughable". Well, not always, watch more anime I guess. But, even if a character's action is for the sake of the plot, it doesn't excuse it if this action feels forced and seems to come out of nowhere (and in some cases, doesn't even make sense). Making something for the sake of the plot isn't a problem on its own, but it becomes a problem for instance when it comes from a completely one-dimensional character.
 
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"Yo com grab some soup :D"
"Ty but just give me blood"
"wat"

10/10 since who takes this seriously anyway
 
Apr 30, 2016 4:55 AM
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zellami said:
MysteriousBanana said:
Wouldn't stop us from eliminating theories as more of the plot is revealed while the story progresses. So far we know for a fact that Ikoma's wrong about how the infection works, because if he was right he would be cured instead of trying to give Ayame a facelift with his teeth.

Given it's a steampunk setting and absolutely no other mystic/occult elements have been hinted at (unless that silhouette of the long-haired swordsman in the OP is the hint), it would be weird for it to really be a curse.

I dunno, Migi's a sentient parasite, so it's not strange that he would choose not to fully infect the host. A virus can't choose.


The point is that the agent (of contamination) doesn't necessary choose.

But what you described is actually an example of choices being made by Migi to maintain the status quo after the fact. A virus can't make choices like that, if it does it's not a virus anymore.
 
Apr 30, 2016 5:14 AM

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I find the added complications of this episode unnecessary. Anime's fine and all, but I don't want to spend half the episodes in stuff like that.
 
Apr 30, 2016 5:31 AM
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Also, @On_the_Lam: "A character's action or ability obviously happens for the sake of plot and the fact that people keep using that as an excuse to shit on an anime is laughable". Well, not always, watch more anime I guess. But, even if a character's action is for the sake of the plot, it doesn't excuse it if this action feels forced and seems to come out of nowhere (and in some cases, doesn't even make sense). Making something for the sake of the plot isn't a problem on its own, but it becomes a problem for instance when it comes from a completely one-dimensional character.

A series is not necessarily bad just because you out of thousands of viewers feel like something is forced or simply because you didn't see something coming. Life's just as unpredictable non-sensical sometimes, isn't it?

What annoys me is that people want answers from the very first episode and are damn sure they won't be getting them later as the series progresses.

Anyway, I believe I've watched enough anime to develop a taste that isn't that of an elitist or a casual watcher, which is not the case for a lot of MAL users.
 
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MysteriousBanana said:
zellami said:


The point is that the agent (of contamination) doesn't necessary choose.

But what you described is actually an example of choices being made by Migi to maintain the status quo after the fact. A virus can't make choices like that, if it does it's not a virus anymore.


If the effect is the same, but not identical, does it sound better to you? (Before we derail into what Migi was and when he developed ability to "choose" and what "adapt" means, and etc). Apparently the virus infected Ikoma to the point of changing his body, but didn't change his mind. It didn't go away, it's still there and continues to express itself in a new way. The ability to makes choices doesn't exclude in itself making a choice to the same effect a virus could cause.
 
Apr 30, 2016 6:17 AM

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That foreigner on the train speaking Japanese with his funky accent made me laugh.

Kabane baby turned mama into a Kabane.

So they still need blood, huh? Interesting.
 
Apr 30, 2016 6:20 AM

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On_the_Lam said:
paraze said:
Also, @On_the_Lam: "A character's action or ability obviously happens for the sake of plot and the fact that people keep using that as an excuse to shit on an anime is laughable". Well, not always, watch more anime I guess. But, even if a character's action is for the sake of the plot, it doesn't excuse it if this action feels forced and seems to come out of nowhere (and in some cases, doesn't even make sense). Making something for the sake of the plot isn't a problem on its own, but it becomes a problem for instance when it comes from a completely one-dimensional character.

A series is not necessarily bad just because you out of thousands of viewers feel like something is forced or simply because you didn't see something coming. Life's just as unpredictable non-sensical sometimes, isn't it?

What annoys me is that people want answers from the very first episode and are damn sure they won't be getting them later as the series progresses.

Anyway, I believe I've watched enough anime to develop a taste that isn't that of an elitist or a casual watcher, which is not the case for a lot of MAL users.

I wasn't talking about this particular series, and you're right, just because I think it's bad doesn't make it bad. Obviously. But I can try to bring up solid arguments. Also, "Life's just as unpredictable non-sensical sometimes, isn't it?" sounds like "love is unpredictable and illogical, so it's always completely legit to have 5 girls falling for the main characters" (well, it can be ok... if it's well-done. which is not the case for most harems). You can't justify everything by "it happens all the time IRL" or even "it can happen IRL".

Ok... that came out of nowhere, but ok.

I don't remember talking about tastes or anything, I was merely reacting to "A character's action or ability obviously happens for the sake of plot".
 
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zellami said:
MysteriousBanana said:
But what you described is actually an example of choices being made by Migi to maintain the status quo after the fact. A virus can't make choices like that, if it does it's not a virus anymore.


If the effect is the same, but not identical, does it sound better to you? (Before we derail into what Migi was and when he developed ability to "choose" and what "adapt" means, and etc). Apparently the virus infected Ikoma to the point of changing his body, but didn't change his mind. It didn't go away, it's still there and continues to express itself in a new way. The ability to makes choices doesn't exclude in itself making a choice to the same effect a virus could cause.
I see what you mean, but I'd argue it's not actually expressing itself in a new way given Ikoma losing it at the end of the episode. His co-existence with the virus seems more dependent on how he manages the behavior-altering symptoms (which Mumei so helpfully told him nothing about) rather than a mutation that causes the virus to leave him sane.

But maybe I'm just doing a disservice to myself by thinking too much about it, for all we know near the end of the series they'll pull a "surprise, it was a curse all along!" plot twist and I'll have to go out to buy a table for the express purpose of flipping it.
 
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Maybe that's why Mumei went all wide-eyed, the thought of having to cut a kabane baby out of the mother to stab it in the heart is kinda creepy. Alternative would be to leave it alone and hope it doesn't claw its way out of its mother's corpse and bite someone's ankle.
 
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kamisama751 said:
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Why you still insist is a virus, if until now we only know its "not a curse", according to Ikoma, and a curse according to everyone else? Nice jump to conclusions.

In episode two Ikoma himself said that it is a virus. Yeah, I checked it out.

Yeah, you're right about that. He refers to it as a virus. It's around the 14 minute mark. I stand corrected on that side. On the other, does that really makes it a virus? Ikoma is the same guy who does rushed things, like cutting his wrist and breaking open a door to demonstrate his kabane killing prowress. What say you if he is just like everyone in the fandom and he's assuming just because it's not a curse it's a virus? Guy hasn't caught a break since ep 2.

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It already did, starting with the zombie breed. Care to take the arguments seriously now?

And Ikoma said there is science behind it. So it is scientific. :D

You have lost every argument against me now and you don't let it go by discussing that implying "science" is wrong.


No, no, no, science isn't wrong. You are just jumping, again, to conclusions. You are wrong assuming our world's science apply only because the scientific method is used. Our world science can't even explain the hard coated hearts.

See, this is why I said lazy trolls will be using this point to go for the low hanging fruit.

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Also, @On_the_Lam: "A character's action or ability obviously happens for the sake of plot and the fact that people keep using that as an excuse to shit on an anime is laughable". Well, not always, watch more anime I guess. But, even if a character's action is for the sake of the plot, it doesn't excuse it if this action feels forced and seems to come out of nowhere (and in some cases, doesn't even make sense). Making something for the sake of the plot isn't a problem on its own, but it becomes a problem for instance when it comes from a completely one-dimensional character.

A series is not necessarily bad just because you out of thousands of viewers feel like something is forced or simply because you didn't see something coming. Life's just as unpredictable non-sensical sometimes, isn't it?

What annoys me is that people want answers from the very first episode and are damn sure they won't be getting them later as the series progresses.

The thing is that that unpredictability hurts the storytelling. It makes it less coherent. If the things that are made for the plot are more and more recurring through the series, it feels lees like a story and more like a staged act or a montage.

That annoys me too, but again, due to the unpredictability hurting the storytelling, those explanations feel more like a band-aid to the injury rather than a subtle warning beforehand.
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It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; What is essential is invisible to the eye.

But does the heart have the right perspective?
 
Apr 30, 2016 7:49 AM

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kamisama751 said:
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Yeah, you're right about that. He refers to it as a virus. It's around the 14 minute mark. I stand corrected on that side. On the other, does that really makes it a virus? Ikoma is the same guy who does rushed things, like cutting his wrist and breaking open a door to demonstrate his kabane killing prowress. What say you if he is just like everyone in the fandom and he's assuming just because it's not a curse it's a virus? Guy hasn't caught a break since ep 2.

Since there is no other acceptable explaination till now I can only stick with that.


First of all, why would you stick to that word if we know, for certain, that there is no virus than can give you a hard coated, shiny heart. Second, you are believing a guy whose entire life has been childhood>killed sister>greasemonkey, who is a character in the story with limited knowledge. Third, basing your entire defense on that assumption, on the rushed, general word a character used to try to explain to others what's the deal with the zombie, without having a something to back you up other than "the protagonist said it so it's true", is just overthinking. Lastly, I would take your stance if a narrator would had said that.

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No, no, no, science isn't wrong. You are just jumping, again, to conclusions. You are wrong assuming our world's science apply only because the scientific method is used. Our world science can't even explain the hard coated hearts.
See, this is why I said lazy trolls will be using this point to go for the low hanging fruit.

wikipedia said:
Science is a systematic enterprise that using mathematics and measurement, creates, builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable observations, explanations and predictions about the universe.

No matter in which world you live, science still stays science. The heart protector can't be/haven't been explained with science in the show yet. So the only way is to use "our science". It doesn't work, so it is a mistake until they explain it with the so-called "their science". There is nothing wrong with this way of thinking.


Keyword in that definition is knowledge. We can't apply the knowledge of our world to their world, given that there is a thing that is clearly different, and from which we don't have any knowledge. That is what is wrong with your way of thinking. It's nothing more than theorycrafting and overthinking with little evidence.

There's another way too. How about waiting for more evidence instead of jumping to conclusions? I also think you have a strange urge to define a zombie """""virus""""" with science.
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Apr 30, 2016 7:59 AM

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I am not completely satisfied, I found certain scenes superfluous and foolish enough narrative passages, you could rationalize and give a faster and sensible form. Excellent drawings and animations, ditto for the sets. I'm still undecided on the vote to be given to this work, for now I leave the vote that I gave at the beginning.

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So what?

I can spam shot like this between a good numbers of series. De, so what?


Come on man, it just a joke comparison. Because this Series Composition of this anime and Valrave are the same person.

Me and my friends always making fun him that he is M. Night Shyamalan of the anime industry. Also the director, Tetsurou Araki = Zack Snyder


Beyond the fact that it is a subject on which joking, this your clarification, so if we want to call it, has made me realize that by screenwriter, we can expect further recycle views screenplays in other anime series. In light of this, the anime series will be certainly crippled, since it fails some originality to the bottom.

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Kurusu is still fucking annoying




I agree !
 
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When's Bill Nye?.
when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
 
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Just when they were about to be trusted, this happens.
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Just when they were about to be trusted, this happens.
It's not like they want to take their blood. :x
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Just when they were about to be trusted, this happens.
It's not like they want to take their blood. :x


I know they just need it to survive.
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Apr 30, 2016 8:56 AM

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Great episode overall, great cliffhanger also. Am I the only one who finds Mumei annoying. I do like her badassery but I find her personality very annoying as she acts too cocky and arrogant in very serious situations.
 
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kamisama751 said:
Don't know if you are for or against me(or in the middle)? But doesn't that mean each theory (science and zombie) are valid until the show reveals the truth?

And your opinion is?

So far, whole "Kabane virus" works rather like infectious, but inherently magical curse. Majority of the people in the setting also believe it is a curse. Only protagonist claims it is a virus, but has no proof it is indeed one and nothing he done (like strangling himself) wouldn't work on any normal virus. On curse? Who knows. Curse that in somehow magical in nature doesn't have to follow the logic.
 
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The Kabane's MUST BE STOPPED!!!!!!!!!
 
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Cliffhangers are seriously the bane of my existence, but I guess if the writers satisfied all our questions we'd have no reason to keep coming back.

I want to know if A.) Ikoma somehow absorbed his stone or B.) Someone stole it. Like Mumei, perhaps.

I also hope that Ikoma bites the princess to steal her blood and makes her turn into a Kabaneri.
 
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So this was the episode where the protag becomes somewhat awesome.... before reverting back into a mindless zombie. Good job there.

Love how all these stupid villagers are running around like headless chicken and actually think that they can beat Mumei even after seeing what she did at their station. Fear her, yes, but taunt and attempt to attack her? What are they looking for assisted suicide?!?
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I also hope that Ikoma bites the princess to steal her blood and makes her turn into a Kabaneri.


Then the princess will bite the rest of her villagers as well as her samurai bodyguard.

That samurai guy would most likely be a badass kabaneri actually... lol
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Did Ikoma's Rape Mode just activate?

As of now I am not finding this any different or unique than the other humans versus mindess monsters show, and the production seems jumpy sometimes. I don't expect the show to bring something different to the table either in bloody one cour. I just hope it will have great action to make up for the other shortcomings.
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kamisama751 said:

1. & 2. The protagonist researched it and concluded that it is science. There is at least some believability compared to a random “greasemonkey”. If the information is fake in the first place then the creator just trolled the viewers by giving us them (with an altitude that it is true for sure).


No, that doesn't means it's the full story. He got conclusions through observations. Not exactly truths, since he hasn't experimented over and over to see if the results are constant, like science truly does. I could put the flat earth/round earth argument. Only looking at the horizon makes you think the earth is flat. However, if your expand that by looking a boat go "below the horizon", you can conclude the earth isn't flat.
The fact he was right about the throat thing was only one case, and even if the show allowed that to be a certainty, it shouldn't be a reason to instantly change Ikoma from a greasemonkey to an sage.
But hey, funnily enough you got trolled by the show. Are you the kind of person that believes everything they are told?


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3. See above and you are using the word “overthinking” wrong. Overthinking is making things out of thin air, which doesn’t exist there in the first place, replaceable with empty presumption or over-analyzing. However, mine are based on what is truly told in the show where I take that perspective and view the events. Which is a valid way of analyzing. If you are talking about “overthinking” then you are wrong here.


But you are using the words of a character with limited view of the world. That isn't a valid way of getting conclusion, since you don't have the entire evidence at your disposal.
You have a limited perspective, why is that a valid way of analyzing?

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Keyword in that definition is knowledge. We can't apply the knowledge of our world to their world, given that there is a thing that is clearly different, and from which we don't have any knowledge. That is what is wrong with your way of thinking. It's nothing more than theorycrafting and overthinking with little evidence.

As I have said, if they don’t show us what they know we can only use our way of thinking.
Let me show you two examples:Naruto And Aldnoah.Zero
They don’t explain it? Then our knowledge kicks in and there is nothing wrong with it.


In AldZero, "our knowledge" doesn't includes those elements. There is a difference between their world and our world. Our world, for starters, doesn't have mechas neither giant space stations. How can we explain then things more "advanced" with our world knowledge? We shouldn't, unless they give a pretensious excuse using our world's knowledge
The same with chakra. It's, as you've mentioned, an element of the show. Why then should it be explained by science since we know it's the equivalent of magic? Demanding a scientific explanation in that case doesn't leads anywhere since it doesn't adds neither detracts from the show.
The thing that is wrong with it is IMPOSITION, instead of acceptance or tolerance of a different set of rules. If, for example, the show says it is based on our world, with the knowledge we have, then it's valid to criticize it. The show is using our world knowledge to explain itself, and thus it's valid to be rigurous with it. Take for example Steins:Gate. People who know about the timelines theories mentioned there laugh at it.

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KoreaWS said:

There's another way too. How about waiting for more evidence instead of jumping to conclusions?


That sentence kills everything in these type of threads, independent of praise or bad talking. “How about waiting for more evidence instead of discussing it in a thread? Nothing is sure now after all.” Now go to the mods and tell them to stop creating episode discussions.
We are here at the episode 3 discussion. What do we do? Discussing about it. What am I doing? Discussing about it.
Such a lazy tool for people to stop others bad talking about a show they like.


While I commend you learned from that other thread, your current evidence is actually limited. As I said, you are bringing science to the thread without even having a solid base other than "The MC said it so it's true, and since he's better than anyone else obviously he's 100% correct on all his assumptions". It hasn't even shown a pseudo-science theory to laugh at.

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I also think you have a strange urge to define a zombie """""virus""""" with science.

The show started the whole science aspect and I am just viewing from that perspective.


The show never did, or just because "muh steampunk elements" were present or "muh MC said something that sounded scientific" you already thought it's valid to impose our knowledge in their world? Steampunk has a lot of things that by our world logic can't exist, and we are cool with that, and the MC is only a human with limited knowledge of the world, even though he's a greasemonkey with curiosity and determination.

I am also doing so and view it from that perspective, which is a valid way of analyzing.

Why are you implying a limited view of the world is valid? You've just cemented your closemindedness.
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Oh no... bad flashbacks to Valvrave incoming. But otherwise decent episode Mumei is kinda annoying but it looks like she feels bad from killing the pregnant lady.
 
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The protagonist researched it and concluded it is science. Other are afraid and don't even give any chance for something like that and even forbid it. If it comes to believability of speech I will say science. I am also doing so and view it from that perspective, which is a valid way of analyzing. (Say that for some people.)


He didn't researched it.
He formed a theory that "Kabane virus" is, indeed, a virus.
He has no proof of his claims.
So far, he was unable to repeat the process to create more Kabaneri from infected people. There isn't any guarantee that it will work ever again.

Process of creating Kabane seems to vary in "incubation period" - it can be from second, to hours, days and even months (with pregnant woman case, I guess)

However, it is clearly possible that it will indeed work and Kabane are indeed cursed.

Mumei's blue ribbon seems to fulfil the exactly same function as Ikoma's metal collar choke. Which is not really logical.
No one tried amputation of infected limb. It could work on gangrene, limbs affected by gangrene were amputated, it's historically proven, but gangrene itself is Not caused by virus (hence Ikoma can't base his research on something like it).

There are people in Real Life that still believe that Curses exist. There are quite a lot of differences in belief how they work depending on society/tribe/location, but base is the same. Someone cursed you. Curse can kill you (if nasty curse, some are believed to cause discomfort, bad luck or so). In order to get rid of the curse (and save yourself) you need to perform some kind of ritual. If you don't know how to do it yourself, you need to pay the qualified person (i.e. shaman) to do it. But ritual seems to be important and that's thing that makes curse to go away (or even strike the person who cursed you in the first place for revenge). Obviously, you can fail the ritual.

Ritual explanation works for both cases.

Problem is that if it is indeed a curse and Ikoma saved himself by simply performing the right ritual, it can be repeated for same efficiency and you can call it science.
 
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JonSenpai16 said:
Great episode overall, great cliffhanger also. Am I the only one who finds Mumei annoying. I do like her badassery but I find her personality very annoying as she acts too cocky and arrogant in very serious situations.


No, mate. I assure you that you aren't the only one who finds that bitch annoying. And even her badassery is forced.
 
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Ikoma is assuming it's a virus. Him thinking it's the case doesn't make it true. They haven't touched on it whatsoever since then. No explanations or exposition on it have been had yet. Claiming it's all wrong is rather silly at this point.

Don't know if you are for or against me(or in the middle)? But doesn't that mean each theory (science and zombie) are valid until the show reveals the truth?


I'm in the middle, at the moment. I do think Ikoma strangling himself to stop the Kabane-thingy taking him over was really...off. Viruses don't work that way.

However, from what we've seen so far, they simply haven't touched on what the Kabane infection actually is, be it virus, parasite or something else. Since they haven't actually had an episode dedicated to explaining how it all works, we can't really say it's right or wrong yet.

If the anime ends and they just say it's a virus, then yeah, I'm gonna think it's really stupid and wrong. The science just doesn't work that way. But as it stands, there's still plenty of episodes to go, so everything is merely speculation and assumptions.
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Some people are really using double standards for this series just to justify the writing .. lol
 
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-Maz said:
kamisama751 said:

Don't know if you are for or against me(or in the middle)? But doesn't that mean each theory (science and zombie) are valid until the show reveals the truth?


I'm in the middle, at the moment. I do think Ikoma strangling himself to stop the Kabane-thingy taking him over was really...off. Viruses don't work that way.

However, from what we've seen so far, they simply haven't touched on what the Kabane infection actually is, be it virus, parasite or something else. Since they haven't actually had an episode dedicated to explaining how it all works, we can't really say it's right or wrong yet.

If the anime ends and they just say it's a virus, then yeah, I'm gonna think it's really stupid and wrong. The science just doesn't work that way. But as it stands, there's still plenty of episodes to go, so everything is merely speculation and assumptions.
And how about him piercing his chest? What did he use? screws?
I get the reasoning for strangling himself but not the self piercing.
 
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God that cliffhanger a pain in the arse.
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I'm in the middle, at the moment. I do think Ikoma strangling himself to stop the Kabane-thingy taking him over was really...off. Viruses don't work that way.

However, from what we've seen so far, they simply haven't touched on what the Kabane infection actually is, be it virus, parasite or something else. Since they haven't actually had an episode dedicated to explaining how it all works, we can't really say it's right or wrong yet.

If the anime ends and they just say it's a virus, then yeah, I'm gonna think it's really stupid and wrong. The science just doesn't work that way. But as it stands, there's still plenty of episodes to go, so everything is merely speculation and assumptions.
And how about him piercing his chest? What did he use? screws?
I get the reasoning for strangling himself but not the self piercing.


I get the strangulation and when he used a tourniquet to block his arm, but that thing on his chest is weird. He seemed to use heated bolts. I guess that somehow it blocks the circulation, but so far I don't get how. I'mma look up for that.

I also just noticed that the impaling somehow doesn't seem to really affect his lungs. Good thing he becomes a kabaneri afterwards.
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u531355 said:
I'm guessing that's how Mumei became a kabaneri, by having her pregnant mother become a kabane.

Are you implying that her mother was shagging with a kabane?
or are you impying that this episode's pregnant kabane would give a birth to a 'mumei-like' kabaneri?

Mind=Blown!

Haha, second option.
 
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zal said:
And how about him piercing his chest? What did he use? screws?
I get the reasoning for strangling himself but not the self piercing.

I believe they already established that you can't actually kill or even harm Kabane unless you destroy the weird glowstone in its chest. Same rules seems to apply to Kabaneri. Only difference between Kabane and Kabaneri is that later are sentient/sapient. If it is curse (hence magic) that requires some ritual that sadly involved you strangling yourself in order to save your free will, it is believable.

On the other hand, shooting yourself with nailgun (or something similar) can't really do anything to the virus you may be infected with.
Surviving something like this without crippling yourself and without modern medicine to save you is not really likely.
However, if explanation is curse (magic) that makes you invulnerable to injuries that would kill a human, shooting yourself with nailgun wouldn't do any harm. Only thing you need to worry about is about losing your free will (which in turn requires strangling for some really mystical reason)
 
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