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Apr 29, 2016 4:26 PM

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KoreaWS said:
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The show should simply show us that it is not science. Otherwise I will continue using it. ;)

It already did, starting with the zombie breed. Care to take the arguments seriously now?

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Speculating is a nice thing to do sometimes. The biggest screw up was making Ikoma say "it is science" without the basis for saying so, that's the cause of the scientific backlash.


The thing is, not really. He didn't say it neither it is implied. He has applied the scientific method (observation>questions>hypothesis>experimentation>conclusions) to get some ideas of how things works. Since he can't really experiment, he gathers evidence from the trains that come to the station to further develop theories. That's why he can say with certainty that blocking the pass to the brain could stop the thing: is an informated speculation.

Trolls are just abusing the fact that people mix that method with science and inmediately jump to the idea that the logic of our world should explain the logic of the show's work instead of trying to see how the show's world works. The scientific method is a way to try to explain our surroundings, and Ikoma applied all he could apply of it to try to understand the Kabanes, something of his world.

If you simply see it as a way of trying to understand your particular world, then there's no real reason to believe it should be explained by our world's logic.
About the part in bold I agree with who you call trolls. Or that phrase has some weight in the show or it is just thrown there because it is "cool". I think it is the second and I don't see any issue in making fun of this thing because it bothered me too.
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Apr 29, 2016 4:48 PM

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Mumei is so cute with babies

 
Apr 29, 2016 4:58 PM

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Ikoma's constant speeches on how he wants to kill the Kabane feel kind of cliche, but it's tolerable. Nice to see Ayame step up as a leader (ofc only to get her life threatened 5 fucking seconds later lmfao. this is going to go over great next episode. if ayame isn't on their side then who will defend them?)

Maybe it's just me, but sometimes it gets kind of annoying how in shows, people put in the trainer/leader position forget to mention important stuff, or just never explain themselves. I get that Mumei is very confident in herself, enough that she doesn't fear the people on the train, but she could have at least told Ikoma a little bit more about how his life was like while they were sparring. The fact that they need to subsist off of blood seems like an extremely important detail that's kind of hard to forget. I understand it was used as a plot device so things could get more complex but come on now, lmfao. This makes the samurai's defensiveness a little bit more understandable now. Annoying, but understandable.

I doubt Ayame will become a kabaneri. I just think this incident will cause more chaos.

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I could not agree on you any more with this

"Ikoma's constant speeches on how he wants to kill the Kabane feel kind of cliche, but it's tolerable."


I hated AoT for this reason...starting loving this show....please tell me its just his phase.;..
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Apr 29, 2016 5:05 PM

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idk if the question was already asked, but the girl said they are physically Kabane. So why they get attacked from other ones? Other Kabanes should see them as their kind...?!
Not the best anime this season.. lot of plotholes.. annoying ppl everywhere...

and idk why ppl still arguing with kamisama, its obviously a little lonely troll fu.... who needs some attention. He trolls nearly in every airing anime episode thread, like Re:Zero with his rant of the MCs "OPness" and his "random checkpoint" bullshit... Not even worth paying attention.


But hes right with the plotholes :P
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Apr 29, 2016 5:10 PM

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I love SnK and I've liked Kabaneri so far, but people's constant need to compare two shows every fucking second makes me dislike both shows.
 
Apr 29, 2016 5:14 PM
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By the way, the virus will just die if they don’t reach your brain in time, which they also contradicted here.
I'm rather curious why you keep clinging to this point when episode 2 showed Ikoma didn't really cure himself and episode 3 goes further to show he didn't stop the virus from infecting his brain.

All we really saw was that the strangling stopped the spread of purple skin, which we all assumed was a sign of the virus' progress, but it was just a symptom if you think about it. Ikoma's strangling affected a symptom, one which could be associated with blood flow, but it doesn't mean he did anything to the virus itself.

It's just really weird that you're complaining that his theory makes no sense, yet assume it's really what happened despite following events proving he was wrong and it's not actually what happened.
 
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By the way, the virus will just die if they don’t reach your brain in time, which they also contradicted here.
I'm rather curious why you keep clinging to this point when episode 2 showed Ikoma didn't really cure himself and episode 3 goes further to show he didn't stop the virus from infecting his brain.

All we really saw was that the strangling stopped the spread of purple skin, which we all assumed was a sign of the virus' progress, but it was just a symptom if you think about it. Ikoma's strangling affected a symptom, one which could be associated with blood flow, but it doesn't mean he did anything to the virus itself.

It's just really weird that you're complaining that his theory makes no sense, yet assume it's really what happened despite following events proving he was wrong and it's not actually what happened.
Then why the symptom didn't get back when he stopped strangling himself?
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Apr 29, 2016 5:18 PM

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phreeak said:
idk if the question was already asked, but the girl said they are physically Kabane. So why they get attacked from other ones? Other Kabanes should see them as their kind...?!
Not the best anime this season.. lot of plotholes.. annoying ppl everywhere...

and idk why ppl still arguing with kamisama, its obviously a little lonely troll fu.... who needs some attention. He trolls nearly in every airing anime episode thread, like Re:Zero with his rant of the MCs "OPness" and his "random checkpoint" bullshit... Not even worth pay attention.


But hes right with the plotholes :P

They can still explain everything. It's not a plothole til finished.
 
Apr 29, 2016 5:56 PM

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The show is getting a bit shonen-esque, what with all the flashbacks and one dimensional motives.

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I love SnK and I've liked Kabaneri so far, but people's constant need to compare two shows every fucking second makes me dislike both shows.


Sure it may seem like it's bad to compare two shows, but it's undeniable that the events of both shows basically perfectly parallel each other. I think it's fair to compare the two.

I was hoping that they wouldn't go full braindead battle shonen route, and instead work to fix the flaws that was found in SnK. After this episode though, I'm not so sure.

I'm not looking forward to this. It seems like the show will be a SnK copy paste with all of its flaws included. Damn shame, it had a pretty cool premise.
 
Apr 29, 2016 5:58 PM
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I'm rather curious why you keep clinging to this point when episode 2 showed Ikoma didn't really cure himself and episode 3 goes further to show he didn't stop the virus from infecting his brain.

All we really saw was that the strangling stopped the spread of purple skin, which we all assumed was a sign of the virus' progress, but it was just a symptom if you think about it. Ikoma's strangling affected a symptom, one which could be associated with blood flow, but it doesn't mean he did anything to the virus itself.

It's just really weird that you're complaining that his theory makes no sense, yet assume it's really what happened despite following events proving he was wrong and it's not actually what happened.
Then why the symptom didn't get back when he stopped strangling himself?
Kabane don't have purple skin either, just gray/pallid skin, so it's likely a symptom that only shows up on initial infection.

My theory is that it's related to their regenerative abilities: the skin's going purple because blood vesslers are rupturing from excess blood flow (although a bruise should start yellow instead of purple, but that wouldn't show up very well), so by reducing the blood flow to his head he managed to stop that from happening in his brain (thus preventing himself from going feral), and it went away when his regeneration finally kicked in to fix the damage and prevent further ruptures.
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so, a couple of interesting things I noticed.

First off, was at a WIT studio panel at a convention about a month back, I remember one of the staff there citing hit-girl (from Kick Ass) as a big inspiration for the character of Mumei. Definitely saw that inspiration coming through on this episode!

Another thing, the foreign engineer guy sounded a lot like TK from Angel Beats. Does anyone know if they have the same voice actor? Or am I just hearing things?
 
Apr 29, 2016 6:27 PM

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Mapplesauce said:
The show is getting a bit shonen-esque, what with all the flashbacks and one dimensional motives.

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I love SnK and I've liked Kabaneri so far, but people's constant need to compare two shows every fucking second makes me dislike both shows.


Sure it may seem like it's bad to compare two shows, but it's undeniable that the events of both shows basically perfectly parallel each other. I think it's fair to compare the two.

I was hoping that they wouldn't go full braindead battle shonen route, and instead work to fix the flaws that was found in SnK. After this episode though, I'm not so sure.

I'm not looking forward to this. It seems like the show will be a SnK copy paste with all of its flaws included. Damn shame, it had a pretty cool premise.


I'm okay with comparisons. I do think both shows have similarities as well. But seeing almost every forum post/critique saying how Kabaneri is a SnK rip-off is annoying. It makes the idiotic virus argument above seem slightly better, lol.
 
Apr 29, 2016 6:42 PM

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zal said:
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I'm rather curious why you keep clinging to this point when episode 2 showed Ikoma didn't really cure himself and episode 3 goes further to show he didn't stop the virus from infecting his brain.

All we really saw was that the strangling stopped the spread of purple skin, which we all assumed was a sign of the virus' progress, but it was just a symptom if you think about it. Ikoma's strangling affected a symptom, one which could be associated with blood flow, but it doesn't mean he did anything to the virus itself.

It's just really weird that you're complaining that his theory makes no sense, yet assume it's really what happened despite following events proving he was wrong and it's not actually what happened.
Then why the symptom didn't get back when he stopped strangling himself?

I don't know. If anything, this cliffhanger shows that without blood a kabaneri goes crazy.

He has that metallic thing on his neck. Might be the cause that the infection went tame until this episode. Mumei uses a tourniquet too, and has to cooldown if she's without it for too long.

So for what I see, a Kabaneri needs 2 things to keep his mind human, so to speak.
>A magic stone Blood
>Some tourniquet on his neck
It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; What is essential is invisible to the eye.

But does the heart have the right perspective?
 
Apr 29, 2016 7:12 PM

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So if they didn't drink blood, will they die or the virus spreading and become Kabane?
And i haven't see Mumei drank blood since the first episode....

Curious about what will happen to Ayame though.
 
Apr 29, 2016 7:16 PM

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Damn that Ikoma's sister part :(
I really hope that the next episode will have more action, i just want Mumei to kick Kabane's asses xD
So they drink blood to survive xD I thought that they would eat normal food.
As it seems, Ikoma will probably drink Ayame's blood, but she probably won't tell nobody about that, and they probably don't infect people when they drink their blood.
That OP is amazing.
Mumei best girl <3
Can't wait for next episode!
 
Apr 29, 2016 7:51 PM

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Kabeneri are vampires who can't control themselves now, interesting development.
 
Apr 29, 2016 8:41 PM

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So Kabaneri is basically Japanese Vampire.

Mumei's personality is always entertaining to see.

Ikoma needs to see his long lost twin brother......Eren
 
Apr 29, 2016 9:27 PM
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How did the pregnant lady get infected? That's what I'm wondering...
 
Apr 29, 2016 9:47 PM
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I'm guessing that's how Mumei became a kabaneri, by having her pregnant mother become a kabane.

Are you implying that her mother was shagging with a kabane?
or are you impying that this episode's pregnant kabane would give a birth to a 'mumei-like' kabaneri?

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Apr 29, 2016 10:01 PM

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There's something about Mumei that annoys me, like idk I kinda don't really like her character now? Such a shame tho she was quite fun in the first episode.



 
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Unecessary and avoidable conflict generated by Mumei's withholding of essential information regarding the Kabaneri really bugged me.

Don't get me wrong tho, I can definitely understand the attitude she adopted for the majority of this episode; she's probably been a Kabaneri for years and that's certainly not the first time she has had to deal with mankind's fear and rejection. There has to be some twisted sense of satisfaction she would draw from openly provoking a bunch of peasants who'd rather see her dead but have neither the courage nor the strength to act on their feelings. And while I'm not usually the biggest fan of those excessively arrogant types of characters, Mumei's actions make sense when put in proper context.
However, not telling even Ikoma about the Kabaneri's diet doesn't make any, and as a result the whole cliffhanger situation the episode ended with comes off as rather silly.

Speaking of silly, can somebody roundhouse kick Kurusu in the face, please?
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there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
 
Apr 29, 2016 10:34 PM

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nice episode 4/5 for sure
 
Apr 29, 2016 10:54 PM

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That twist I wonder If Mumei would really kill the girls for blood if there is no kabaneri appeared.

Kurusu is annoying as always!
 
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I love how plebs hate Kurusu, the best and most badass character in the show.
Kurusu owned Mumei's ass by parrying the bullet she throwed at him. He also owned Ikoma's edgy speech by saying I feel no shame being saved by you, followed by ordering Ikoma to kill himself.
 
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That twist I wonder If Mumei would really kill the girls for blood if there is no kabaneri appeared.

Kurusu is annoying as always!
Mumei's the annoying type of character that expects people to understand her perfectly while saying close to nothing, but I think it's a safe assumption that she was just asking for someone to donate blood (by cutting a palm or something) rather than let her take a bite out of them.

Given she was traveling with one priest instead of a group of them, the amount of blood she requires is probably something a single person can safely provide with no risk to their health (granted the priest was a rather big fellow).
 
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I think that Mumei could have told Ikoma that Kabaneri eat/drink blood.
 
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I love how plebs hate Kurusu, the best and most badass character in the show.
Kurusu owned Mumei's ass by parrying the bullet she throwed at him. He also owned Ikoma's edgy speech by saying I feel no shame being saved by you, followed by ordering Ikoma to kill himself.
sounds like your perfect samurai asshole to me
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there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
 
Apr 29, 2016 11:40 PM

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Why you still insist is a virus, if until now we only know its "not a curse", according to Ikoma, and a curse according to everyone else? Nice jump to conclusions.

In episode two Ikoma himself said that it is a virus. Yeah, I checked it out.

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The show should simply show us that it is not science. Otherwise I will continue using it. ;)

It already did, starting with the zombie breed. Care to take the arguments seriously now?

And Ikoma said there is science behind it. So it is scientific. :D

You have lost every argument against me now and you don't let it go by discussing that implying "science" is wrong.
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My dislike of Mumei furthered this episode. I heavily dislike the characters which are needlessly antagonistic. She goes out of her way to be as vague as possible, explaining absolutely nothing. She's fully aware of the fact that tensions are high and that it endangers everyone but doesn't even attempt to explain her reasoning.

Ugh. Can't stand characters like that.

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Why you still insist is a virus, if until now we only know its "not a curse", according to Ikoma, and a curse according to everyone else? Nice jump to conclusions.

In episode two Ikoma himself said that it is a virus. Yeah, I checked it out.

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It already did, starting with the zombie breed. Care to take the arguments seriously now?

And Ikoma said there is science behind it. So it is scientific. :D

You have lost every argument against me now and you don't let it go by discussing that implying "science" is wrong.


Ikoma is assuming it's a virus. Him thinking it's the case doesn't make it true. They haven't touched on it whatsoever since then. No explanations or exposition on it have been had yet. Claiming it's all wrong is rather silly at this point.
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Ikoma is assuming it's a virus. Him thinking it's the case doesn't make it true. They haven't touched on it whatsoever since then. No explanations or exposition on it have been had yet. Claiming it's all wrong is rather silly at this point.

Don't know if you are for or against me(or in the middle)? But doesn't that mean each theory (science and zombie) are valid until the show reveals the truth?
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Then why the symptom didn't get back when he stopped strangling himself?
Kabane don't have purple skin either, just gray/pallid skin, so it's likely a symptom that only shows up on initial infection.

My theory is that it's related to their regenerative abilities: the skin's going purple because blood vesslers are rupturing from excess blood flow (although a bruise should start yellow instead of purple, but that wouldn't show up very well), so by reducing the blood flow to his head he managed to stop that from happening in his brain (thus preventing himself from going feral), and it went away when his regeneration finally kicked in to fix the damage and prevent further ruptures.


@MysteriousBanana

If you replace Migi with a pathogen virus, it would be the same routine of fictional co-existence.
 
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@kamisama751, you really love Attack on Trainwreck, don't you?
I haven't seen anyone be so dedicated to an anime as you have, even filling your signature with Kabaneri stuff.

I know, you just love the show and you say all this shit cause you wanna hear people praise the anime and tell you the good parts about it? Right? Right?
 
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I thought I was watching Tokyo Ghoul with that ending :P



 
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kamisama751 said:
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Ikoma is assuming it's a virus. Him thinking it's the case doesn't make it true. They haven't touched on it whatsoever since then. No explanations or exposition on it have been had yet. Claiming it's all wrong is rather silly at this point.

Don't know if you are for or against me(or in the middle)? But doesn't that mean each theory (science and zombie) are valid until the show reveals the truth?
Wouldn't stop us from eliminating theories as more of the plot is revealed while the story progresses. So far we know for a fact that Ikoma's wrong about how the infection works, because if he was right he would be cured instead of trying to give Ayame a facelift with his teeth.

Given it's a steampunk setting and absolutely no other mystic/occult elements have been hinted at (unless that silhouette of the long-haired swordsman in the OP is the hint), it would be weird for it to really be a curse.

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If you replace Migi with a pathogen virus, it would be the same routine of fictional co-existence.
I dunno, Migi's a sentient parasite, so it's not strange that he would choose not to fully infect the host. A virus can't choose.
 
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Don't know if you are for or against me(or in the middle)? But doesn't that mean each theory (science and zombie) are valid until the show reveals the truth?
Wouldn't stop us from eliminating theories as more of the plot is revealed while the story progresses. So far we know for a fact that Ikoma's wrong about how the infection works, because if he was right he would be cured instead of trying to give Ayame a facelift with his teeth.

Given it's a steampunk setting and absolutely no other mystic/occult elements have been hinted at (unless that silhouette of the long-haired swordsman in the OP is the hint), it would be weird for it to really be a curse.

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If you replace Migi with a pathogen virus, it would be the same routine of fictional co-existence.
I dunno, Migi's a sentient parasite, so it's not strange that he would choose not to fully infect the host. A virus can't choose.


The point is that the agent (of contamination) doesn't necessary choose.

 
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"Ok we get it, this show isn't a masterpiece (and doesn't try to be)... so what?", implying that it's still worth something without any explanation. What kind of fallacy is that?

@Inferno792 I'm pretty sure the numerous flaws of SnK with zombies make him laugh, and he merely enjoys criticizing... what's your point?

Also, @On_the_Lam: "A character's action or ability obviously happens for the sake of plot and the fact that people keep using that as an excuse to shit on an anime is laughable". Well, not always, watch more anime I guess. But, even if a character's action is for the sake of the plot, it doesn't excuse it if this action feels forced and seems to come out of nowhere (and in some cases, doesn't even make sense). Making something for the sake of the plot isn't a problem on its own, but it becomes a problem for instance when it comes from a completely one-dimensional character.
 
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"Yo com grab some soup :D"
"Ty but just give me blood"
"wat"

10/10 since who takes this seriously anyway
 
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zellami said:
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Wouldn't stop us from eliminating theories as more of the plot is revealed while the story progresses. So far we know for a fact that Ikoma's wrong about how the infection works, because if he was right he would be cured instead of trying to give Ayame a facelift with his teeth.

Given it's a steampunk setting and absolutely no other mystic/occult elements have been hinted at (unless that silhouette of the long-haired swordsman in the OP is the hint), it would be weird for it to really be a curse.

I dunno, Migi's a sentient parasite, so it's not strange that he would choose not to fully infect the host. A virus can't choose.


The point is that the agent (of contamination) doesn't necessary choose.

But what you described is actually an example of choices being made by Migi to maintain the status quo after the fact. A virus can't make choices like that, if it does it's not a virus anymore.
 
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I find the added complications of this episode unnecessary. Anime's fine and all, but I don't want to spend half the episodes in stuff like that.
 
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Also, @On_the_Lam: "A character's action or ability obviously happens for the sake of plot and the fact that people keep using that as an excuse to shit on an anime is laughable". Well, not always, watch more anime I guess. But, even if a character's action is for the sake of the plot, it doesn't excuse it if this action feels forced and seems to come out of nowhere (and in some cases, doesn't even make sense). Making something for the sake of the plot isn't a problem on its own, but it becomes a problem for instance when it comes from a completely one-dimensional character.

A series is not necessarily bad just because you out of thousands of viewers feel like something is forced or simply because you didn't see something coming. Life's just as unpredictable non-sensical sometimes, isn't it?

What annoys me is that people want answers from the very first episode and are damn sure they won't be getting them later as the series progresses.

Anyway, I believe I've watched enough anime to develop a taste that isn't that of an elitist or a casual watcher, which is not the case for a lot of MAL users.
 
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MysteriousBanana said:
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The point is that the agent (of contamination) doesn't necessary choose.

But what you described is actually an example of choices being made by Migi to maintain the status quo after the fact. A virus can't make choices like that, if it does it's not a virus anymore.


If the effect is the same, but not identical, does it sound better to you? (Before we derail into what Migi was and when he developed ability to "choose" and what "adapt" means, and etc). Apparently the virus infected Ikoma to the point of changing his body, but didn't change his mind. It didn't go away, it's still there and continues to express itself in a new way. The ability to makes choices doesn't exclude in itself making a choice to the same effect a virus could cause.
 
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@kamisama751, you really love Attack on Trainwreck, don't you?
I haven't seen anyone be so dedicated to an anime as you have, even filling your signature with Kabaneri stuff.

I know, you just love the show and you say all this shit cause you wanna hear people praise the anime and tell you the good parts about it? Right? Right?

Awww, god damn it. Someone saw through my masterplan. xD
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That foreigner on the train speaking Japanese with his funky accent made me laugh.

Kabane baby turned mama into a Kabane.

So they still need blood, huh? Interesting.
 
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On_the_Lam said:
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Also, @On_the_Lam: "A character's action or ability obviously happens for the sake of plot and the fact that people keep using that as an excuse to shit on an anime is laughable". Well, not always, watch more anime I guess. But, even if a character's action is for the sake of the plot, it doesn't excuse it if this action feels forced and seems to come out of nowhere (and in some cases, doesn't even make sense). Making something for the sake of the plot isn't a problem on its own, but it becomes a problem for instance when it comes from a completely one-dimensional character.

A series is not necessarily bad just because you out of thousands of viewers feel like something is forced or simply because you didn't see something coming. Life's just as unpredictable non-sensical sometimes, isn't it?

What annoys me is that people want answers from the very first episode and are damn sure they won't be getting them later as the series progresses.

Anyway, I believe I've watched enough anime to develop a taste that isn't that of an elitist or a casual watcher, which is not the case for a lot of MAL users.

I wasn't talking about this particular series, and you're right, just because I think it's bad doesn't make it bad. Obviously. But I can try to bring up solid arguments. Also, "Life's just as unpredictable non-sensical sometimes, isn't it?" sounds like "love is unpredictable and illogical, so it's always completely legit to have 5 girls falling for the main characters" (well, it can be ok... if it's well-done. which is not the case for most harems). You can't justify everything by "it happens all the time IRL" or even "it can happen IRL".

Ok... that came out of nowhere, but ok.

I don't remember talking about tastes or anything, I was merely reacting to "A character's action or ability obviously happens for the sake of plot".
 
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zellami said:
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But what you described is actually an example of choices being made by Migi to maintain the status quo after the fact. A virus can't make choices like that, if it does it's not a virus anymore.


If the effect is the same, but not identical, does it sound better to you? (Before we derail into what Migi was and when he developed ability to "choose" and what "adapt" means, and etc). Apparently the virus infected Ikoma to the point of changing his body, but didn't change his mind. It didn't go away, it's still there and continues to express itself in a new way. The ability to makes choices doesn't exclude in itself making a choice to the same effect a virus could cause.
I see what you mean, but I'd argue it's not actually expressing itself in a new way given Ikoma losing it at the end of the episode. His co-existence with the virus seems more dependent on how he manages the behavior-altering symptoms (which Mumei so helpfully told him nothing about) rather than a mutation that causes the virus to leave him sane.

But maybe I'm just doing a disservice to myself by thinking too much about it, for all we know near the end of the series they'll pull a "surprise, it was a curse all along!" plot twist and I'll have to go out to buy a table for the express purpose of flipping it.
 
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Maybe that's why Mumei went all wide-eyed, the thought of having to cut a kabane baby out of the mother to stab it in the heart is kinda creepy. Alternative would be to leave it alone and hope it doesn't claw its way out of its mother's corpse and bite someone's ankle.
 
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Why you still insist is a virus, if until now we only know its "not a curse", according to Ikoma, and a curse according to everyone else? Nice jump to conclusions.

In episode two Ikoma himself said that it is a virus. Yeah, I checked it out.

Yeah, you're right about that. He refers to it as a virus. It's around the 14 minute mark. I stand corrected on that side. On the other, does that really makes it a virus? Ikoma is the same guy who does rushed things, like cutting his wrist and breaking open a door to demonstrate his kabane killing prowress. What say you if he is just like everyone in the fandom and he's assuming just because it's not a curse it's a virus? Guy hasn't caught a break since ep 2.

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It already did, starting with the zombie breed. Care to take the arguments seriously now?

And Ikoma said there is science behind it. So it is scientific. :D

You have lost every argument against me now and you don't let it go by discussing that implying "science" is wrong.


No, no, no, science isn't wrong. You are just jumping, again, to conclusions. You are wrong assuming our world's science apply only because the scientific method is used. Our world science can't even explain the hard coated hearts.

See, this is why I said lazy trolls will be using this point to go for the low hanging fruit.

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paraze said:
Also, @On_the_Lam: "A character's action or ability obviously happens for the sake of plot and the fact that people keep using that as an excuse to shit on an anime is laughable". Well, not always, watch more anime I guess. But, even if a character's action is for the sake of the plot, it doesn't excuse it if this action feels forced and seems to come out of nowhere (and in some cases, doesn't even make sense). Making something for the sake of the plot isn't a problem on its own, but it becomes a problem for instance when it comes from a completely one-dimensional character.

A series is not necessarily bad just because you out of thousands of viewers feel like something is forced or simply because you didn't see something coming. Life's just as unpredictable non-sensical sometimes, isn't it?

What annoys me is that people want answers from the very first episode and are damn sure they won't be getting them later as the series progresses.

The thing is that that unpredictability hurts the storytelling. It makes it less coherent. If the things that are made for the plot are more and more recurring through the series, it feels lees like a story and more like a staged act or a montage.

That annoys me too, but again, due to the unpredictability hurting the storytelling, those explanations feel more like a band-aid to the injury rather than a subtle warning beforehand.
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It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; What is essential is invisible to the eye.

But does the heart have the right perspective?
 
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KoreaWS said:
kamisama751 said:

In episode two Ikoma himself said that it is a virus. Yeah, I checked it out.

Yeah, you're right about that. He refers to it as a virus. It's around the 14 minute mark. I stand corrected on that side. On the other, does that really makes it a virus? Ikoma is the same guy who does rushed things, like cutting his wrist and breaking open a door to demonstrate his kabane killing prowress. What say you if he is just like everyone in the fandom and he's assuming just because it's not a curse it's a virus? Guy hasn't caught a break since ep 2.

Since there is no other acceptable explaination till now I can only stick with that.

KoreaWS said:

No, no, no, science isn't wrong. You are just jumping, again, to conclusions. You are wrong assuming our world's science apply only because the scientific method is used. Our world science can't even explain the hard coated hearts.
See, this is why I said lazy trolls will be using this point to go for the low hanging fruit.

wikipedia said:
Science is a systematic enterprise that using mathematics and measurement, creates, builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable observations, explanations and predictions about the universe.

No matter in which world you live, science still stays science. The heart protector can't be/haven't been explained with science in the show yet. So the only way is to use "our science". It doesn't work, so it is a mistake until they explain it with the so-called "their science". There is nothing wrong with this way of thinking.
Nooo, everyone should rate how they want. There is also no reason to get bothered by what others think either. But those elitists, they are the worst type of mankind because they got sh*t taste and give shows we like low scores. -some self proclaimed casuals

 
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kamisama751 said:
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Yeah, you're right about that. He refers to it as a virus. It's around the 14 minute mark. I stand corrected on that side. On the other, does that really makes it a virus? Ikoma is the same guy who does rushed things, like cutting his wrist and breaking open a door to demonstrate his kabane killing prowress. What say you if he is just like everyone in the fandom and he's assuming just because it's not a curse it's a virus? Guy hasn't caught a break since ep 2.

Since there is no other acceptable explaination till now I can only stick with that.


First of all, why would you stick to that word if we know, for certain, that there is no virus than can give you a hard coated, shiny heart. Second, you are believing a guy whose entire life has been childhood>killed sister>greasemonkey, who is a character in the story with limited knowledge. Third, basing your entire defense on that assumption, on the rushed, general word a character used to try to explain to others what's the deal with the zombie, without having a something to back you up other than "the protagonist said it so it's true", is just overthinking. Lastly, I would take your stance if a narrator would had said that.

kamisama751 said:
KoreaWS said:

No, no, no, science isn't wrong. You are just jumping, again, to conclusions. You are wrong assuming our world's science apply only because the scientific method is used. Our world science can't even explain the hard coated hearts.
See, this is why I said lazy trolls will be using this point to go for the low hanging fruit.

wikipedia said:
Science is a systematic enterprise that using mathematics and measurement, creates, builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable observations, explanations and predictions about the universe.

No matter in which world you live, science still stays science. The heart protector can't be/haven't been explained with science in the show yet. So the only way is to use "our science". It doesn't work, so it is a mistake until they explain it with the so-called "their science". There is nothing wrong with this way of thinking.


Keyword in that definition is knowledge. We can't apply the knowledge of our world to their world, given that there is a thing that is clearly different, and from which we don't have any knowledge. That is what is wrong with your way of thinking. It's nothing more than theorycrafting and overthinking with little evidence.

There's another way too. How about waiting for more evidence instead of jumping to conclusions? I also think you have a strange urge to define a zombie """""virus""""" with science.
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I am not completely satisfied, I found certain scenes superfluous and foolish enough narrative passages, you could rationalize and give a faster and sensible form. Excellent drawings and animations, ditto for the sets. I'm still undecided on the vote to be given to this work, for now I leave the vote that I gave at the beginning.

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So what?

I can spam shot like this between a good numbers of series. De, so what?


Come on man, it just a joke comparison. Because this Series Composition of this anime and Valrave are the same person.

Me and my friends always making fun him that he is M. Night Shyamalan of the anime industry. Also the director, Tetsurou Araki = Zack Snyder


Beyond the fact that it is a subject on which joking, this your clarification, so if we want to call it, has made me realize that by screenwriter, we can expect further recycle views screenplays in other anime series. In light of this, the anime series will be certainly crippled, since it fails some originality to the bottom.

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Kurusu is still fucking annoying




I agree !
 
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