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Apr 22, 2016 10:29 PM

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On rare occasions, generally I prefer certain styles over others but it wont turn me completely away from an anime.

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I don't like laziness and huge inconsistencies, unappealing style alone usually isn't that big of a deal. Prettiness, cinematography and originality is a big plus though

 
Apr 23, 2016 12:00 AM
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Well your are speaking about opinion like it was a fact. Visual style is completely subjective. Just because something is extremely detailed it doesn't mean it automatically better. I simply prefer minimalistic character face styles like Nisekoi/Oregairu.

I think there is an obvious difference between Clannad and Nisekoi/Oregairu visual style of character faces. And yes, to me Nisekoi/Oregairu style is great.

Hey, you're the one that called Clannad's character design ugly. Wouldn't you say that's "speaking about opinion like it was fact"? Anyway, I disagree entirely with visual style being completely subjective. Obviously, the freaking Mona Lisa is "better" than what some tween in DevianArt draws. Details matter of course: you can't just draw a stick figure and call it a cute girl.

You say like "minimalistic" character faces, but what's so not "minimalistic" about Clannad's character's faces? But, look, I'm not saying Clannad character designs are amazing, and Nisekoi/Oreigaru's don't, but that neither of them are much to talk about in terms of visuals, they're all pretty average-looking.
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Apr 23, 2016 1:36 AM

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Well I thought I was much more resilient to visual style variation but I guess it plays a major role for me.

I am struggling with Clannad just because of ugly visual style of character faces. I guess I got spoiled by nice stuff like Nisekoi and Oregairu.

I feel you on that.
I know i can really love and cry for Clannad but i cant just get past the face and those weird looking eyes.
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Apr 23, 2016 1:41 AM
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Well, I think, yes. I dropped Clannad but watched the entire 2 seasons of GochiUsa. I think that's a convincing proof.
 
Apr 23, 2016 2:00 AM

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yes i cant watch shows such as yuyu hakusho or higurashi because of the art
 
Apr 23, 2016 2:09 AM

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I would like to say no, but sometimes yes. Like I am probably never going to watch Clannad anyway because it doesn't seem much like my type of story, but the art throws me off even more. I just do not like that style.
 
Apr 23, 2016 2:25 AM

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Clannad is fairly traditional though. What do you think of stuff like Tatami Galaxy?

That's one of the best anime in existence.


I haven't seen it but I googled some images and I must say I am not a fan. :)


That's said. Tatami Galaxy is brilliant and frankly, easy to watch and understand. It's not one of those weird anime that leaves you feeling stupid.

I suggest giving it a chance. It's hilarious.
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Apr 23, 2016 2:29 AM
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I've seen Ajin, Ping Pong, Shiki, Madoka, Expelled from Paradise, and several other anime, and their visual styles never bothered me...

Exceot Madoka Magica never looked ugly?
 
Apr 23, 2016 2:34 AM
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Is anyone else turned off by visual style only?

Absolutely.. I'm not ready to watch Clannad because I can't stand character designs.
Many people dislike Aku no Hana because of its rotoscoping but it's one of my favs.

From a few clips I've seen, Aku no Hana looks like a nightmare. It may benefit the storyline, but it's way too creepy to even consider watching it.
 
Apr 23, 2016 2:39 AM
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Yes, I'll drop it if I don't like the visuals. That's why I don't watch Durarara anymore
 
Apr 23, 2016 3:48 AM
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Yep for someone who care a lot about the visuals (like me ) is impossible to enjoy watching anime like ping pong

I mean there's a big problem here in that you are assuming people agree with you - I loved Ping Pong's style and I care a lot about the visuals when I watch anime. Normally that I would prefer them to be stylistically interesting than one that is generic and boring af most of the time, though generic series can be saved by having great technical quality.

Also if you DON'T think visual play a big part in anime then I have to question why you watch anime and don't read - it's a visual medium so naturally they play a very big part in how a series is percieved.
 
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I don't like CGI and I don't like anime that look like generic otaku pandering stuff. But I'm not turned off by unique or strange looking anime, I actually prefer it that way.
 
Apr 23, 2016 4:02 AM

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anobaka said:
Well your are speaking about opinion like it was a fact. Visual style is completely subjective. Just because something is extremely detailed it doesn't mean it automatically better. I simply prefer minimalistic character face styles like Nisekoi/Oregairu.

I think there is an obvious difference between Clannad and Nisekoi/Oregairu visual style of character faces. And yes, to me Nisekoi/Oregairu style is great.

Hey, you're the one that called Clannad's character design ugly. Wouldn't you say that's "speaking about opinion like it was fact"? Anyway, I disagree entirely with visual style being completely subjective. Obviously, the freaking Mona Lisa is "better" than what some tween in DevianArt draws. Details matter of course: you can't just draw a stick figure and call it a cute girl.

Well when I said "ugly" I was speaking about my opinion of course. And art is completely subjective. There is absolutely no objective measure where you could claim Mona Lisa is "better" than any other painting.

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You say like "minimalistic" character faces, but what's so not "minimalistic" about Clannad's character's faces? But, look, I'm not saying Clannad character designs are amazing, and Nisekoi/Oreigaru's don't, but that neither of them are much to talk about in terms of visuals, they're all pretty average-looking.
If you're going to be spoiled by something, it might as well be the best the medium has to offer.

I didn't say Clannad is detailed. I was simply saying there is a big difference between its style and Nisekoi/Oreigaru.

I guess you find them average. I find Nisekoi/Oreigaru style among the best. Simply different opinions, which is completely natural when we talk about something completely subjective as an art.
 
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Reading through the thread, it is nice to see there are other people who feel the same. Especially about Clannad's character design. :)
 
Apr 23, 2016 4:16 AM

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@Kreion
this is my problem with this medium
the majority of adaptations are unfaithful or incomplete
and everytime i say : ' anime X suck' people say to me "go read manga/vn is so much better"
but i hate reading .... sound and animation make the characters alive unlike in manga/vn
anyway i don't have any choice , i will stuck with my video games and wait for a good adaptations ...
 
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IMO it's not really a matter of being 'turned off', it's more of how seriously you take the show.

If you get kawaii-esque kind of visual, I'm more likely to just sit there for shits and giggles. Even for something like mahou shoujo madoka magica.

Then there's Samurai Champloo. Fluid, chill, has a more sexy appeal to it. So I'd just sit back and chill while Mugen pulls off a...well, Mugen.

Then there's Bobobobobobo or something. The moment I saw that shith0le you call an anime, I never wanted to try and watch it.
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Maybe when I started watching anime, but now after enjoying various art styles I can appreciate them all. I'm more of a story person and doesn't mind so called "ugly" visuals. Many people would call the visuals of Hajime No Ippo and Initial D ugly. For me, art style adds to the story. There are certain anime that if it weren't for their unique art style, they wouldn't be that good, for example Ping Pong the animation. Also, if an anime can only offer a good visual/sound, I don't think I'd ever watch that.

In conclusion - No!
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Apr 23, 2016 4:55 AM

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This guy gets it. CGI is the worst thing to happen to anime

CGI will get better over time. Early 2000s digital anime looks horrendous in many cases, and now it looks pretty good.


That's not my point. The way CGI looks is limited by current technologies, hand-drawn cels aren't. The worst that can happen to drawings is to look out of style after 20 years. CGI always looks outDATED after a couple years.
 
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I don't think anyone can seriously criticize Clannad's visuals. It's usually the character designs that are a problem for people, not the visual style in general. The backgrounds and everything lopok pretty great after all.

I think it's important to separate artstyle/visuals from the character design. Those are different people usually done/decided by different people. And character designs are a more valid reason to be unable to watch a whole anime, though even that never happened to me. If I don't like em there's just one less thing that makes this anime particularly enjoyable, but other aspects of the show can easily make up for it. Though liking the character designs is definitely something that can increase my enjoyment of a show.

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Apr 23, 2016 5:47 AM

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Actually yeah. I care a lot about visuals. Something has to be really interesting for me to watch despite having ugly visuals I would watch something if it's just pure eye candy.

Couldn't get past Clannad's first episode because of that. those faces design, ugh. So glad that type of art style died now (it was very prominent in the early 2000's)
 
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I don't think anyone can seriously criticize Clannad's visuals. It's usually the character designs that are a problem for people, not the visual style in general. The backgrounds and everything lopok pretty great after all.

I think it's important to separate artstyle/visuals from the character design. Those are different people usually done/decided by different people. And character designs are a more valid reason to be unable to watch a whole anime, though even that never happened to me. If I don't like em there's just one less thing that makes this anime particularly enjoyable, but other aspects of the show can easily make up for it. Though liking the character designs is definitely something that can increase my enjoyment of a show.


I disagree. Character design and art style are indeed different things, but in Clannad's case the eyes are part of the art style rather than a choice in the design of X or Y character. Art style defines how you draw your characters. You can't put characters from Dead Leaves and Clannad in the same show and say "bah, it's just a matter of character design". Obviously the art styles would clash.
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No matter how much I try to convince myself that animation quality is not a big deal for me, I have to admit that it is a bit of a letdown to have good anime shown in poor animation quality. I'll just say that it's always a big plus to my overall enjoyment to have a visually appealing animation.
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I don't think anyone can seriously criticize Clannad's visuals. It's usually the character designs that are a problem for people, not the visual style in general. The backgrounds and everything lopok pretty great after all.

I think it's important to separate artstyle/visuals from the character design. Those are different people usually done/decided by different people. And character designs are a more valid reason to be unable to watch a whole anime, though even that never happened to me. If I don't like em there's just one less thing that makes this anime particularly enjoyable, but other aspects of the show can easily make up for it. Though liking the character designs is definitely something that can increase my enjoyment of a show.


I disagree. Character design and art style are indeed different things, but in Clannad's case the eyes are part of the art style rather than a choice in the design of X or Y character. Art style defines how you draw your characters. You can't put characters from Dead Leaves and Clannad in the same show and say "bah, it's just a matter of character design". Obviously the art styles would clash.


It's really easy. If the thing that is bothering you is how the CHARACTERS look you should complaing about their designs and not about the choice of color palette, how the backgrounds are drawn and all that stuff that falls under the category of artstyle.
That has nothing to do with the fact that usually the director will try and make the character designs somehow fit in with the overall art of the anime.
Just because two things are made to not clash with each other doesn't make them the same thing.
You can say art defines characters but you can also say the character designs define the art depending on what comes first. In any case by saying A defines B you're already using them as separate things even though you say you disagree with the point I was trying to make.

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When I was a pleb yes. But as u start watching more and more anime u like different styles. We all been there.
 
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@Pullman:

No, I'm sorry, I still disagree. You'd have a point if you were talking about Mako's eyes vs Ryuuko's eyes in Kill la Kill, they're both different design choices who follow the same art style rules (cartoonish, heavy lines, etc) but not with Clannad. That's like saying the uber long legs in xxxHolic are a character design choice. It's not, it's the art style.

Characters and art styles aren't "made not to clash with each others". Character design is independent from art style. A character's design can be adapted to fit any number of art styles... And that's why, if you were to put the Clannad girls in another anime, you'd keep their character design (hair color etc) but ditch the giant fish eyes because they wouldn't fit with another art style.
 
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Absolutely.. I'm not ready to watch Clannad because I can't stand character designs.
Many people dislike Aku no Hana because of its rotoscoping but it's one of my favs.

From a few clips I've seen, Aku no Hana looks like a nightmare. It may benefit the storyline, but it's way too creepy to even consider watching it.

That's just an opinion. We all have our definition of creepy and so on.
I like Aku no Hana anime characters even way more than original manga.
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Clebardman said:
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No, I'm sorry, I still disagree. You'd have a point if you were talking about Mako's eyes vs Ryuuko's eyes in Kill la Kill, they're both different design choices who follow the same art style rules (cartoonish, heavy lines, etc) but not with Clannad. That's like saying the uber long legs in xxxHolic are a character design choice. It's not, it's the art style.

Characters and art styles aren't "made not to clash with each others". Character design is independent from art style. A character's design can be adapted to fit any number of art styles... And that's why, if you were to put the Clannad girls in another anime, you'd keep their character design (hair color etc) but ditch the giant fish eyes because they wouldn't fit with another art style.

Yup. Character designs refer to character features and such. For example Ryuoko's outfit is a character design, how it's drawn is the art style.

Like this for example:
http://otaku-pilgrimages.blogspot.jp/2012/09/jump-famous-authors-draw-jojos-bizarre.html

The features of the character (the character designs) are kept intact. What's different is the art style of each mangaka.
 
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Visual style of characters and character design (in a sense design is common among all characters) is pretty much the same thing.
 
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Yeah, some visual style especially some type of character design are a turn-off for me, its difficult to enjoy anime if i dont like the characters

Older Type Character Design (like dennou coil, cowboy bebop) and "Macho" character design (like Jojo series) are the ones that i can't stand
 
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Yeah, some visual style especially some type of character design are a turn-off for me, its difficult to enjoy anime if i dont like the characters

Older Type Character Design (like dennou coil, cowboy bebop) and "Macho" character design (like Jojo series) are the ones that i can't stand


While admittedly it is not my favourite, I am actually okay with Cowboy Bebop character style. It doesn't prevent Cowboy Bebop from being my favourite anime.
 
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Clebardman said:
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No, I'm sorry, I still disagree. You'd have a point if you were talking about Mako's eyes vs Ryuuko's eyes in Kill la Kill, they're both different design choices who follow the same art style rules (cartoonish, heavy lines, etc) but not with Clannad. That's like saying the uber long legs in xxxHolic are a character design choice. It's not, it's the art style.

Characters and art styles aren't "made not to clash with each others". Character design is independent from art style. A character's design can be adapted to fit any number of art styles... And that's why, if you were to put the Clannad girls in another anime, you'd keep their character design (hair color etc) but ditch the giant fish eyes because they wouldn't fit with another art style.


You're not making any sense, saying you disagree and then explicitly stating that 'Character design is independent from artstyle' in your next paragraph, which was exactly my point from the start.

In any case I've said my piece and don't really have anything to add.

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You're not making any sense, saying you disagree and then explicitly stating that 'Character design is independent from artstyle' in your next paragraph, which was exactly my point from the start.

In any case I've said my piece and don't really have anything to add.


I'm not making sense? Did you forget your first post already or are you trying to move the goal posts?

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I don't think anyone can seriously criticize Clannad's visuals. It's usually the character designs that are a problem for people, not the visual style in general. The backgrounds and everything lopok pretty great after all.


Here's the part where you confused art style and character design. That's the thing in your first post I wanted to adress. Nobody here said character design and art style are the same thing, you must have misread my answer.
 
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Meeeeeeeeee

If the art is shit, the anime is automatically shit to me!

That's why kill la kill is a terrible anime in my book .
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Why do you think that Kill la Kill's visuals are ugly? Imaishi and the whole staff actually did a pretty good job in this area IMO. Can you explain to me what you find bad-looking here? The colors might be retro and not as pretty as SAO's, but its art and animation aren't bad at all. I mean, dude.
 
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If it's just the character designs, like the eyes in Clannad being too far apart, I wouldn't be put off from watching a show. I'd watch the dreaded Kamichama Karin with the famous "I'm cute?" face and not be put off by the character designs.

It's usually when the entire anime uses a unique style that I can get put off, like the stylistic art and bright colors of Osomatsu-san, or the constant photorealism and unmoving plaid Studio Shaft uses. It can be especially off putting if it's a show that tries to be very artsy and quirky, like many of Ikuhara's works.
 
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Meeeeeeeeee

If the art is shit, the anime is automatically shit to me!

That's why kill la kill is a terrible anime in my book .
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Why do you think that Kill la Kill's visuals are ugly? Imaishi and the whole staff actually did a pretty good job in this area IMO. Can you explain to me what you find bad-looking here? The colors might be retro and not as pretty as SAO's, but its art and animation aren't bad at all. I mean, dude.


Some people are just put off by anything that doesn't look like the main bulk of anime production. I mean, the backlash at Panty & Stocking was kinda hilarious , with lots of butthurt people whining that it wasn't all drawn like the sexy scenes.
 
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After taking a chance and watching Ping Pong I've never been really bothered by visuals enough to not watch an anime. Though Clannad would give me nightmares considering those eyes. Things like Tatami Galaxy, Mononoke, Madoka Magica, Flowers of Evil, and anything else I can not only tolerate but appreciate after watching Ping Pong. Guess it opened my eyes to different art styles.
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Me? As long as it's not as ugly as Denpa Kyoushi, I am fine with it.
 
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Kill La Kill , cannot watch it looks too stupid ;-;
 
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The story and the characters interest me more than the aesthetic style. I must be weird or something.
 
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The story and the characters interest me more than the aesthetic style. I must be weird or something.


Well that is obviously not the point of the thread. I would say majority put more weight on story and characters then visual style, myself included. The question of the thread was whether bad visual style (specifically ugly/weird character design) can ruin anime for you.
 
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anobaka said:
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The story and the characters interest me more than the aesthetic style. I must be weird or something.


Well that is obviously not the point of the thread. I would say majority put more weight on story and characters then visual style, myself included. The question of the thread was whether bad visual style (specifically ugly/weird character design) can ruin anime for you.


Ye alright and my answer is generally no. Unless it is utter shit. And sometimes not even then.
 
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This guy gets it. CGI is the worst thing to happen to anime


That is true, but that's not always the case. Take ufotable for example. They also use CGI, but it comes out brilliantly most of the time. The Fate series is the result of that.


For a long time i had the mindset that CGI was bad in general. Knights of Sidonia changed my mind. In the first few episodes i considered dropping it for the CGI, but towards the end(and especially in the action space battles) the artstyle actually grew on me.
 
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anobaka said:
Well I thought I was much more resilient to visual style variation but I guess it plays a major role for me. For example, bad character design can definitely ruin an anime for me or even make it unwatchable.

I am struggling with Clannad just because of ugly visual style of character faces. I guess I got spoiled by nice stuff like Nisekoi and Oregairu.



Just pretend everyone in Clannad had down-syndrome. They act like it and it makes the gap between the eyes easier to accept ;)
 
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I think the blade and soul anime and a few other heavily CG anime actually made me nauseous trying to watch them so yeah

It's also a turn off if they're totally uninspired generic plastic looking moe blobs like you'd see in baby's first hentai
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Ugh, the artwork in Attack on Titan is gross. Also One Piece. Also DBZ. Also Clannad... etc.

I'm not saying the authors aren't talented artists. Their visual style just really doesn't resonate with me.
 
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God Save Berserk. the trailer showed some CGI.
 
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I don't. Instead, "unique" visual style intrigue me even more. When I said unique, I mean literally unique(like Kaiji, Akagi, Ping Pong, Tatami Galaxy, etc).
 
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Extremely so. It's very hard to get me to watch anything if I hate the art style. No matter how good the story is, why bother if you can have good story AND an artstyle you like instead of one you hate? XD

Examples of art I like:

Clannad
Owari No Seraph
Nisekoi
Lucky Star
Durarara
Akatsuki No Yona

Examples of art I don't like:

Ping Pong
Aku No Hana
Space Dandy
Naruto
DBZ
Everything from Satoshi Kon. HIS SHIT IS UGGGGLY. Sorry
Utena (Half. The girls look okay (though they're too tall. But the MEN!? WTF O_______o)



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Can totally relate. I dropped ajin just cause the animation style is different.
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Yes, I'll drop it if I don't like the visuals. That's why I don't watch Durarara anymore


Durarara's art is offensive. There are art styles that look bad, but at least have style or something unique in them. Aku no Hana may look bad but at least it tries something different. In Durarara, everyone looks like side-characters.
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