Oulchura said: I think you've figured out why.typical attractive genius villain. |
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| Because he's HOT AF :V |
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| because hes clever and cyanical fuken obv |
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| I hated him a lot at the first part (just doing bad things because he's a twisted person) but his motives seemed to become clearer later on. He wants to destroy the Sybil system, but to do so, he acts very cynically and manipulative with people to get his way. Kogami also said that Makishima may had felt alienated because of being an asymptomatic person, something also imposed on by the Sybil system. He has the same motives as the MC(in regards of replacing the system), but his plans are much more extreme and devastating. He also was pretty badass, but I could kind of understand why he did what he did. Tl;Dr Makishima's motive to do such things is quite understandable, (later on in the story). The main character also begins to fight against the system at the end of the series, but in a less extreme fashion. I also think he was trying to find his own self-identity through those actions, but that's just what I think. He's also pretty cool as a character(design-wise, and personality-wise), if you can get past how twisted he can be when he wants to get his way. |
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| For me, he was the only memorable character. |
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| Because he's better than most other villains in anime. It's not about if he's a good or a bad guy, but how much of a well-written character he could be. |
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| Probably because of the reasons you listed which are good qualities for a villain. A character does not have to be a hero to be liked. Just look at the Joker. |
| "Let Justice Be Done!" My Theme Fight again, fight again for justice! |
| He is evil, but he isn't evil for the sake of being evil. He acts like a cynical, manipulative bastard, but he got his reason for being like that. His motives are actually quite good and makes him all that more interesting, especially when you learn about the truth of sibyl. |
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| He's one of the greatest anime villains I've ever seen. I hate him, but I also can't help but admire how great of a villain he is. It's just like the Joker from Batman for me. |
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| Saddened to see that nearly everyone in this thread has deemed Makishima a "Villain". Trying to undermine a Totalitarian system that is the dream Uptopia of the Radical Left, in the vain of Plato's 'Republic' or George Orwell's '1984', is a noble goal. If you don't see the goal as intrinsically Just then there is no hope for you. As such if you get wiped out there is no loss to the world (and likely a net positive to use Sibyl duplicitous doublespeak) since you would just be a cog in the machine that would elevate a system like Sybl to rule over mankind in the first place. The only area to potentially criticize Makishima is his methods and supposed "crimes". Any Law that he may have violated in Sybl Japan is irrelevant, since what they define as crime is meaningless. If "innocent" people were killed due to his actions, it would be in the same vain as "innocent" Germans being killed when the Allies destroyed the Nazi's and their Axis Powers. They have seized to be pure civilians and innocents when they have enabled and supported a despotic and genocidal system of governance, and as such there is no crime or shame to be had in destroying the pawns of evil. Makishima determined his method had the highest chance of success to destabilize and ideally overthrown the vile Sybl system. At best you can criticize him for not succeeding and detailing what method and actions he should have taken that would both succeed and be "Just" and "Non-Criminal" based on your subjective assessment of imaginary Universal Laws, or actual Biblical Morals that are Eternally relevant. Note i don't care about his looks or brains or character attributes to determine if he is "likable", but rather his philosophy and objective and motives. In that vain he is the most worthy character in a (Japanese) world filled with worthless and irrelevant human sheep. Perhaps there is an argument to make that if the sheep wanted to become sheep, then as humans they have that right to be ruled by Sybl. However that is shown to be a moot argument, since in the Movie we already see (as is fundamentally inevitable) that Sybl is trying to expand to other countries in a duplicitous and treasonous manner. It's one thing to subject yourself, your family, your future generations, your neighbors, and fellow countrymen to a Mass Prison Totalitarian system, but once you try to subjugate other countries and free people (Rebellions or Civil Wars notwithstanding) you deserve to be stopped and destroyed. |
SlickDAug 24, 2016 3:55 PM
| @Rei yes! This! But seriously... Makishima isn't villain, Sybilla is. Shogo is simply a revolutioner who failed. We're just watching the anime from the inspectors' point of view. It's like reading Orwell's 1984 narrated from the O'Brien and party loyal people's point of view. |
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| I haven't read all the answers and don't know if OP is still interested in this thread, but since it's been active as of recently I thought I'd put my two cents. In my opinion this is the Kira(Death Note) phenomenon. People like these characters a lot for various reasons I believe. Though I think the major reason is that these characters are psychopaths/sociopaths while also displaying a lot of charm, which makes the quite likeable. Not only that but couple that with strange habits or twisted behaviors and you have quite a memorable character. Of course this occur in other forms of entertainment as well such as books and movies and comics (see Joker). On top of that the appeal of those characters is that of the dark side and maybe a sort of feeling like you are rebelling against The Man/the establishment. And let's not forget he's an intellectual (this is also a trait usually found in fictional psychopaths). If he was some guy who killed people and talked like a hillbilly he'd be much harder to like. It also helps that he has a nice face and not one like he was hit by a train. Though you have to remember that most of those characters are pretty unrealistic in the context of a psychopath/sociopath. perhaps the closest in real life equivalent would be Charles Manson. |
WhenACatFlies said: I haven't read all the answers and don't know if OP is still interested in this thread, but since it's been active as of recently I thought I'd put my two cents. In my opinion this is the Kira(Death Note) phenomenon. People like these characters a lot for various reasons I believe. Though I think the major reason is that these characters are psychopaths/sociopaths while also displaying a lot of charm, which makes the quite likeable. Not only that but couple that with strange habits or twisted behaviors and you have quite a memorable character. Of course this occur in other forms of entertainment as well such as books and movies and comics (see Joker). On top of that the appeal of those characters is that of the dark side and maybe a sort of feeling like you are rebelling against The Man/the establishment. And let's not forget he's an intellectual (this is also a trait usually found in fictional psychopaths). If he was some guy who killed people and talked like a hillbilly he'd be much harder to like. It also helps that he has a nice face and not one like he was hit by a train. Though you have to remember that most of those characters are pretty unrealistic in the context of a psychopath/sociopath. perhaps the closest in real life equivalent would be Charles Manson. Except that Makishima is more closely related to L in terms of the "Justice" of his goal. Both wanted to stop an Unaccountable and Supposedly All Powerful Ruler from passing life and death judgement on everybody, as well as controlling the society as a whole. Yes Makishima has elements that are reminiscent of Light as well, and his "outside the box" and "lawless" actions are similar, but the reality that seems to elude many on MAL is that Makishima was fighting against the Oppressor, while Light was debatably the Oppressor w/ L fighting against him. It's appalling that so many can't identify and recognize how vile and detestable the Sybl System is. Even if one was fooled from season 1, the sadly canon season 2 and certainly canon Movie (i expanded on this in my initial comment) showcase beyond any doubt that it must be stopped at all costs. Vilifying and nitpicking someone on their methods for achieving the most Just goal in the Psycho-Pass world, is absurd. People are too stupid to realize they are rooting against the Hero. |
SlickDAug 25, 2016 12:46 PM
SlickDragon said: Except that Makishima is more closely related to L in terms of the "Justice" of his goal. Both wanted to stop an Unaccountable and Supposedly All Powerful Ruler from passing life and death judgement on everybody, as well as controlling the society as a whole. Yes Makishima has elements that are reminscent of Light as well, and his "outside the box" and "lawless" actions are similar, but the reality that seems to elude many on MAL is that Makishima was fighting against the Oppressor, while Light was debateably the Oppressor w/ L fighting against him. Sorry but I think whether Makishima is good or bad is up to interpretation. Some people believe the ends justify the means while others don't. He murdered people, either via others acting on his orders (or been given the means to carry out murders) but also with his own hands (Akane's friend). Some people can see him acting that way to achieve his noble goal. Personally I got the impression that Makishima enjoyed the murder and by putting a nice wrapper to it, he or others can see it as justifiable. Not only that but Makishima's motivation for that sort of action could also be seen as an attempt to be noticed and for his life to acquire meaning when he feels so isolated from society(at least that's what he more or less says/implies at some point in the anime). That's what i understood by the end of Psycho-Pass season one. I just believe that Makishima's motives can be seen as selfish( gratification from murdering people, feeling important for going against one's fate) or as noble depending on the person( waking people up from "slumber", forcing them to be more alert and self-sufficient. I would say he wanted to force them to be more accepting of one another instead of being afraid but I don't remember those words being uttered from his mouth. I do remember that he was overly critical of people being too trustful of others cause Sibyl will "save" them. So I'm going to assume him being critical of that comes in contrast to being accepting, as being accepting would require one to be trustful.) He is an interesting character because he can be seen in two different lights. Is he really trying to save humanity? Or he just wants to satisfy his twisted hunger while trying to justify it with pretty words? PS: I haven't yet completed the second season so I don't completely confident debating Sibyl. |
And it is a completely irrelevant and moot point. We can armchair quarterback all we want, and any conclusion is acceptable. The key is that THEY in psycho-pass ruled Japan can NOT pass judgement on Makishima, and render him either good or bad. Not because he is criminally asyptomatic, but because they have lost the moral high-ground and rule of law position from the inception of Sybl System. Certainly as it propagated and its effects were imbued into every street and corner of Sybl Japan. WhenACatFlies said: PS: I haven't yet completed the second season so I don't completely confident debating Sibyl. Ok so i can excuse your ignorance and naivete for now. You obviously weren't bright enough nor well read enough (George Orwell - 1984, Aldous Huxley - Brave New World, Plato- Republic, Carl Marx - Communist Manifesto etc etc etc) to understand exactly what Sybl represented from season 1. Semi-cannon Season 2 and the actually cannon movie may be able to awaken even utopiast borderline socialists and totalitarian sympathizers like yourself. If you are fortunate to eventually start seeing things rationally, then suddenly you will recognize that the single "crime" of murdering Akane's friend (the crimes committed by others i won't even label Makishima an Accessory to. All he did was literally take the Sheep's clothing off from those who were completely in the thrall of Sybl. Blaming him for their actions is like casting the sins of the son on the father.) doesn't even remotely negate the noble goal of fighting against and undermining the Sybl System, with his ultimate objective being its destruction and overthrow. |
SlickDragon said: And it is a completely irrelevant and moot point. We can armchair quarterback all we want, and any conclusion is acceptable. The key is that THEY in psycho-pass ruled Japan can NOT pass judgement on Makishima, and render him either good or bad. Not because he is criminally asyptomatic, but because they have lost the moral high-ground and rule of law position from the inception of Sybl System. Certainly as it propagated and its effects were imbued into every street and corner of Sybl Japan. WhenACatFlies said: PS: I haven't yet completed the second season so I don't completely confident debating Sibyl. Ok so i can excuse your ignorance and naivete for now. You obviously weren't bright enough nor well read enough (George Orwell - 1984, Aldous Huxley - Brave New World, Plato- Republic, Carl Marx - Communist Manifesto etc etc etc) to understand exactly what Sybl represented from season 1. Season 2 and the more cannon movie may be able to awaken even utopiast borderline socialists and totalitarian sympathizers like yourself. If you are fortunate to eventually start seeing things rationally, then suddenly you will recognize that the single "crime" of murdering Akane's friend (the crimes committed by others i won't even label Makishima an Accessory to. All he did was literally take the Sheep's clothing off from those who were completely in the thrall of Sybl. Blaming him for their actions is like casting the sins of the son on the father.) doesn't even remotely negate the noble goal of fighting against and undermining the Sybl System, with his ultimate objective being its destruction and overthrow. I'm not sure how to reply to this considering you resorted to calling me names and so other people who don't like Makishima and I'm very close to doing the same. Just wanted to clear up that I posted here in the first place to share my point of view on what the OP asked. Which was why people like/admire Makishima. I think my reply was on point because Makishima does display psychopathic tendencies and mentioned that other characters who display those tendencies and the charm or intellect are usually well liked in fiction. I also said that whether you find Makishima good or bad is up to interpretation because what do you know, people have their reasons for liking or disliking some characters? Or are they not allowed to like or dislikes characters for whatever reason? The question wasn't even whether Makishima is fighting a noble goal or not. It was like "Why do people like Makishima? I don't, so please someone explain it to me" or on that matter. I'm sure you can find a more appropriate thread to discuss what you wanna discuss with people and if you wanna debate with them and not just force your opinion on them .Though I would advise you to refrain from calling people names and making claims about their intelligence or personality based on a few of their posts discussing an anime. Have a nice day and I hope you can find people who you feel are on your level to have a Psycho-pass debate with. |
| He's a manipulative, twisted bastard yet he manages to be more intriguing than pretty much anyone else in the show. One of my biggest issues with the whole show is how they didn't flesh out his character more, because man that scene halfway through episode 22 really got to me in a way nothing else did. He's completely irredeemable but there's no denying he was onto something in his way of thinking about the Sybil system and goddamn did I want to know what exactly motivated him. |
| Its all about human values, unless you would have a life changing experience I don't think you will understand |
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