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May 29, 2016 1:55 AM

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I just stared at the screen, eyes and mouth opened wide. Then they fell, and I broke out in this high-pitch-low-volume screech O__O

Yes, I did think "wow, holding two people in one hand, actually just the fingers - no way man", but I chose to look past it.

I honestly didn't really understand why Miyokichi wanted to commit suicide in the first place though. It puzzles me. "Just" (sorry, I mean no offence) general depression? What made her think Kiku would go with her?

I kinda like(d) Miyo... idk why. Kiku was my fav., but I may just be biased because it's Ishida XD

Wonderful story. Probably gonna read the manga.
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Jun 26, 2016 11:19 AM

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FUUUUCK NOOOOOOOO!!! SUKEROKU-KUUUUUUN!!! MIYO-SAAAAAAAN!!! THIS EPISODE MADE MY KOKORO BEAT FAST AND STOPPED WHEN THEY FALL :(((

Anyways, can anyone confirm whether they fall into the ground or the river? The sound effect seems to be a splash but the river on the cutscene was too far from the house to be fall under.
 
Oct 11, 2016 3:12 AM

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Dumb ways to die.. So many dumb ways to die..

I thought there would be a more meaningful reason behind the deaths of her parents but I guess sometimes reality is not very meaningful after all and unexpected accidents happen.

I feel that the voice actors in this anime were pretty amazing, because they have to voice act out people who were perceived to be amazing in in rakugo.
 
Oct 30, 2016 11:59 PM

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I wish those four can live together happily forever :(

Also, I don't think you can't die that easily... Especially falling from 2nd or 3rd balcony
I mean it's not that much of height, from the looks of it that is
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Oct 31, 2016 5:53 PM

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Good god Kiku, keep that tongue in your mouth!!

Well we all knew it was gonna happen, it was just a matter of when.
I really did love that parallel between Sukeroku's story and his relationship with Miyokichi. The way he called out her real name there really got me...it's weird that Miyokichi was so obsessively in love with Kiku and yet they never told each other their real names- only Sukeroku. Makes me think Miyokichi never loved Kiku in the first place. More like a twisted obsession with what he represented to her.

All this time, it's been Sukeroku who's portrayed as the selfish, irresponsible one but this episode showed that he's changed in his own way. It seems like out of the three, he's actually the most selfless...he did for Miyokichi what Kiku would never do, and that's giving up Rakugo for her. Despite being a crappy dad, unlike Miyokichi, Sukeroku never abandons Konatsu.
Anyways, this episode was beautiful and I'm really gonna miss Sukeroku.
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Nov 12, 2016 8:46 PM

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damn kiku really out here licking tears off the face of his best friend's girl, recipe for disaster
gotta say though the balcony collapsing felt pretty out of place here.
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Nov 12, 2016 8:48 PM

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also sukeroku you have a kid! and kiku just dropped him like mufasa. that was tragic
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Dec 26, 2016 7:52 PM

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Fengwu said:
I'll be honest, this episode came off as strangely manipulative and... I'm just very disappointed with the way Miyokichi's character was handled. Since this was her last appearance, it was most obvious here. I really, really hope it was an adaption flaw, because otherwise this could be a great series. But as it stands, the weakness of the character becomes a weakness in the series. And that's a right shame, especially since Konatsu is so enjoyable...


It's a very Rakugo-esque ending, wouldn't you say? Art is a mirror to our souls and so it goes with life as well.
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Jan 1, 2017 2:29 PM

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Man, that was good episode. :)
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Jan 5, 2017 10:14 AM

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Rosny said:
Fengwu said:
I'll be honest, this episode came off as strangely manipulative and... I'm just very disappointed with the way Miyokichi's character was handled. Since this was her last appearance, it was most obvious here. I really, really hope it was an adaption flaw, because otherwise this could be a great series. But as it stands, the weakness of the character becomes a weakness in the series. And that's a right shame, especially since Konatsu is so enjoyable...


It's a very Rakugo-esque ending, wouldn't you say? Art is a mirror to our souls and so it goes with life as well.


No, I think it's just bad planning.
 
Jan 5, 2017 2:00 PM

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Fengwu said:
Rosny said:


It's a very Rakugo-esque ending, wouldn't you say? Art is a mirror to our souls and so it goes with life as well.


No, I think it's just bad planning.


Bad execution I agree. But it did not come out of the blue, everything hinted down to the condition of the house was provided to the viewer. The story of the woman who tries to pull off a dual suicide was constantly referenced. The moment she said she will have her vengeance was a dead ringer. As I said the beginning of the tale and the shock ending is rakugo.
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Jan 7, 2017 5:18 PM

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Shit felt like I was watching a play at the theatre. Intense as fuck, my man.

However, I have to wonder how true this version of Sukeroku and Miyo's death actually is, since it contradicts Konatsu's own version of the events on top of being far too "dramatic" to seem all that plausible.

That being said I adored Sukeroku's performance: funny how a man who supposedly stopped practising for so many years just managed to give the best performance in his entire career.
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Jan 12, 2017 7:15 AM

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This episode is perfect, and episodes how this do you love the "animeÇ"!!!!

First half of episode, the Rakugo, a perfect play.
Second half of episode, the tragedy, in all his sunny, and tearful!!!!


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Jan 13, 2017 11:34 AM

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We knew what was coming. It was sad anyway.
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Feb 22, 2017 1:45 AM
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fuck why did it have to be like this man, miyo shouldnt have been thirsting for kiku anymore shes a mom now you have a responsibility no matter how tough the way they both died was shocking
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Mar 11, 2017 1:15 PM

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I just wanna clarify something.

Did Miyokichi come to love Shin as well? Or was she just relieved that someone was willing to die with her in the end?
 
Mar 11, 2017 9:55 PM

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I just wanna clarify something.

Did Miyokichi come to love Shin as well? Or was she just relieved that someone was willing to die with her in the end?


Nevermind I just saw the REAL death tragedy in season 2. Holy fucccc
 
Mar 13, 2017 10:27 AM

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so this why she called him the murderer of her parents out of rage....
within moments Miyo's mind changed it's decision and when it did the toll it takes is enough to push you from the ledge...


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Apr 5, 2017 7:01 PM

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first i dislike miyokichi then i kinda like her and there i am hating her in the end. she is batshit crazy alright.... poor sukeroku and konatsu. she was against rakugo calling it an improper occupation? well i guess prostitution is better alrighty
i don't believe one bit that kiku felt that deep for miyokichi. then why he was about to fuck his "older brother's" wife? god damn it.... i don't understand
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Good god Kiku, keep that tongue in your mouth!!

amen to that..

*sigh* dafuq happened.... give me back my man sukeroku....
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Apr 7, 2017 1:44 AM
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Sekuroku's life seemed like it would turn into the story of Shibahama. Everything was looking so good for those two, but then their pasts caught up to them.

I knew I'd have to get to this scene eventually, but I was never ready for it.

Komatsu was asleep on her dad's chest so soundly after what might've been the happiest day of her life. But when she wakes up she'll find out that she's become an orphan. I don't want to watch the next episode 😔
 
Apr 15, 2017 2:46 AM

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NOOO :'(

You wait !!
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May 1, 2017 7:53 PM

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What the fuck Kiku. So much for trying to get Mikyoki back for Shin. These characters I swear.
 
May 2, 2017 1:22 PM

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Damn.... damn damn damn damn damn!!! What an episode!! Sukeroku's performance, the confessions, the double suicide(?).... all of it. The story progression was so damn good. I just feel bad for Konatsu. I mean c'mon, although the pair of them aren't exactly the best of adults, as a parent they should've at least considered the repercussions on their daughter for what they decided to do. Also that height didn't even seem so bad!!! They should've gotten away from death with a few broken bones and a concussion or something. Bahhh!! Dx My ranting aside, this episode was great and really gripping!
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Jul 27, 2017 9:47 AM

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I think my favorite rakugo story we've heard is still the one with the robber and the man who couldn't pay, but the one in this episode with the purse on the beach was definitely up there. Shin is a really good storyteller who deserves to be the 8th Generation.

And yet, he's not, and IT'S ALL THIS CRAZY GEISHA BITCH'S FAULT. I was literally just moaning "Shiiiiit. Fuuuuck. Noooo." at my screen for the last couple of minutes of the episode. I knew it was coming, but it was still powerful/hard to watch.

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Aug 3, 2017 12:18 AM

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Hated Miyokichi since her first debut, my hate towards her increased in every episode. And now despite how mad at what happened, I am happy that at least she is dead.

Poor Kiku and the sweet kid. And poor Shin-san too :(
 
Nov 12, 2017 1:59 PM

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The tear licking was uncomfortable. He's an idiot for going back there, as were both of them for fighting over her, she was a hideous person. They both deserved that. Selfish of him to leave his daughter though.
 
Jan 8, 2018 5:22 AM

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Before I let out my emotions over this fucking episode, let me say that I really enjoyed Shin's performance. My face was lit up while watching and listening to his rakugo. Ohmygod. Honestly, great job to Shin and Bon's seiyuu. Gaaaaah! ;-;

Now, moving on...

DON'T TELL ME THAT'S HOW SHIN DIED? AND HE DIED ALONG WITH MIYOKOCHI? WHAT. HOW ABOUT THE FLASHBACKS WITH BON ON TOP OF SHIN WITH BLOOD ALL OVER HIS HANDS AND ON THE FLOOR THEN KONATSU SAW HIM, SO SHE THOUGHT THAT IT WAS BON WHO KILLED HER FATHER. OHMYGOD WHAT. NOOOO. I'M SO LOST. HAHAHAHA.

So, Bon still have feelings for Miyokochi after the fucked ups she did? Or it was all just a pity? Jesus. Idk how to feel about this. She's gone in the head, Bon. What the fuck are you doing? Why did you lick her dirty tears, though I find it hot (I was jealous for a sec), but dang whhhhhy!?!?!? RED ALERT!

I feel so bad for Shin if this is how he really died. He was so blinded by his love for Miyokochi (or Yurie). This episode fucked me up, maaan. Nope. Nope. Nope.

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Women are so incomprehensible... Right after the protagonist duo was starting to get back on track, considering Shin's performance and all that. As a punishment, however, something like this is eerily appropriate.

Looking forward to the finale.

Ugh. I honestly want to bitch slap the fuck outta her. Ugh. Fucking bitch.
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Jan 13, 2018 12:27 AM

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sad ending

like someone said earlier,, expected but surprising

when yurie told kiku that he had ruined both their lives my heart broke and then that ending holy cow
 
Feb 18, 2018 1:22 PM

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I entirely forgot that they were not "there" (alive) in the present day.
So this episode was one hell of a shock to me.

Daaaaaamn
 
Mar 2, 2018 7:15 PM

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That was a nice performance about reforming as a person before seeing the events this flashback started for: Miyokichi ended up taking Sukeroku with him in that tragic scene, really nice scene.
 
Aug 18, 2018 8:15 AM
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This episode's ending = "How to ruin a great story in 5 minutes"

WTF just happened? Was Miyokichi's psychosis infective or something? No Bon, it's not your fault that the bitch is crazy. Um... Bon... why the hell are you licking off her tears? Why are you guys so suicidal suddenly? THAT'S HOW THEY DIE?? Please tell me that was all a dream. Poor Bon and Konatsu. :(

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Nov 17, 2018 4:30 PM
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Damn, I hate Miyokichi.
She didn't even bother watching her husbands (?) performance and in the end caused his death. What a b****.

But sad to see that Sukeroku still jumped after her and wasted his life for her...
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Dec 8, 2018 9:32 AM

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This ending annoys me a lot. Why didn't Kiku scream for help? Why didn't Sukeroku try using the eaves that's clearly within his reach? Whoever wrote/storyboarded this scene clearly didn't care the details.

I would rather like to see a real double suicide than some manipulative accidental death.
 
Dec 31, 2018 9:56 PM
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Oh my god I can not stop crying
Why??😢
Why should he be betrayed and leave😭😭
That stupid woman is really mean 😢 i hate her😭
 
Dec 31, 2018 10:29 PM
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tr25a3 said:
Damn, I hate Miyokichi.
She didn't even bother watching her husbands (?) performance and in the end caused his death. What a b****.

But sad to see that Sukeroku still jumped after her and wasted his life for her...
I agree with you
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Jan 4, 2:44 AM

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That ending man I can't believe how he ended up he really deserved a better ending the name Sukeroku sure brings bad luck.
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Mar 27, 8:18 PM

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You're two people grabbing onto each other 3 stories up, surely you can swing yourselves to a window ledge or something. I didn't buy that death at all. It just felt too immediate and we got rid of two important characters.

Tear licking was something. I guess he did want her...but then he wanted his art...and then it turns out his art is worth nothing. Very confusing show, not sure what the message is.

The whole convoluted scene where all three meet up again is messed up. None of it made a lot of sense, but the show has always been kooky like that I guess.
 
Apr 6, 5:39 PM
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man rip sukeroku...it felt sort of forced but still hit pretty hard
this guy Kiku licking them tears lmao.
 
Apr 12, 6:41 AM

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Wtf man, things were getting back to normal and this happens.
 
May 29, 7:52 PM

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I once again find myself at a loss for words. How this show was able to take something that I completely expected and leave me at the edge of my seat up until the climactic moment was truly impressive. This episode was flawless. We got to see Sukeroku do a wonderful, full, and beautiful rakugo performance, one last time. We got to see Yakumo gain motivation for his future coldness, as I'm sure he will blame himself for the death of Miyokichi and Sukeroku. And while I'm sad that Sukeroku died, I'm just as excited to see the conclusion of this excellent show.
 
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Wow this is just of one of the most anti-climatic ep I have ever watched , it was just terrible konatsu was supposed to be here when they died but she was not and kiku did not have blood on his hand like the image in another ep . Miyo was always a terrible person and she showed once again how horrible she was , how can anybody like her I wonder , she was needy , dependent , selfish and the worst in this episode is not even her , kiku licking her tears and kissing her ? wtf ? Hatsu pleading her back even if he had to lose rakugo ? Nothing made sense everyone was acting out of character but Miyo .
 
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