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Mar 20, 2016 8:28 AM
#41
This episode got intense so fast. Sad to see Azee ded, Lafter and Shino will probably follow. I hope they let Atra survive though. |
Mar 20, 2016 8:42 AM
#42
hold out hope for the blatently dead girls |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Mar 20, 2016 8:59 AM
#43
What a intense episode. Damn, f*** this Graze Ein. He killed my girls and Shino =( I hope Mika will give him a lesson. He was crazy when he heard the psycho Ein going to city for kill Kudelia (and the other guys). We will have a second season? The next episode´s preview seems like the END for me.. and I think we won´t have the harem, Kudelia will ends with Mika just with her. I didn´t expect the fight between Chocolate Aznable and Gali Gali Garma. For me, it´s the biggest fight of the season finale. |
Mar 20, 2016 9:21 AM
#44
Holy shit what an amazing episode. Hoping Azee and Lafter are not dead. Mr. Chocolate shows up and Mika comes to the rescue. |
Mar 20, 2016 9:41 AM
#45
This is anime is epic ! |
Mar 20, 2016 9:47 AM
#46
HatsumiShinogu said: Oh, and McGillis is facing Gaelio? Sure didn't expect McGillis to reveal his identity so fast. How can someone reveal your identity if they're dead? That's how I see it at least, one last bit of honesty for a long-time friend before they die. |
Mar 20, 2016 9:55 AM
#47
Welp as sad for those that died, this is what I have been waiting for in a gundam series. This is way too epic. On the side note, season 2 is confirmed but probably after they air gundam uc re:0096 which will take up the next 2 season. http://gundamguy.blogspot.ca/2016/01/mobile-suit-gundam-iron-blooded-orphans_23.html |
Mar 20, 2016 9:59 AM
#48
AzuriteZ said: thats not confirmed, the post for source is basing it off a amazon listing that referred to it as season 1 but it was likley referring to the first cour as the first seasonWelp as sad for those that died, this is what I have been waiting for in a gundam series. This is way too epic. On the side note, season 2 is confirmed but probably after they air gundam uc re:0096 which will take up the next 2 season. http://gundamguy.blogspot.ca/2016/01/mobile-suit-gundam-iron-blooded-orphans_23.html |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Mar 20, 2016 10:30 AM
#49
DAMN! this is so intense. i know many people died in this episode but first, i'm more worried about Lafter and the other girl.... they died ? please just don't tell me they died.... especially Lafter.... that blood just spit out like that.... really scares me.... they cut the scene, so probably they are still alive. i'm hoping here!!!!!!!! This episode is so thrilling tbh.... not only the action looked really awsome.... seeing all of them became a decoy and died like that really thrilling....and seeing the mobile suits one got reck by that creepy shit..... Obvious Mika will save them.... i seriously thought Atra will died while protecting Kudelia, but thank god she still alive. atra is so brave dammit. too brave. she is my fav character from this series. i wonder what they will give us in the next episode ??? season 2 ?? |
YizelTroMar 20, 2016 10:36 AM
Mar 20, 2016 10:51 AM
#50
I hope Azee and Lafter are not dead! |
Mar 20, 2016 11:04 AM
#51
Tohka_Yatogami said: I hope Azee and Lafter are not dead! i think a lot of us dont want them dead |
Mar 20, 2016 11:27 AM
#52
Mari Okada will be a second coming of urobutcher ._. |
Mar 20, 2016 12:05 PM
#55
Ein is so cool, Mika bout to get murked :( Rip errbody For those who want more IBO action make sure to read the Gaiden that's releasing soon :) it's a different story but in the same universe with a new MC and a new gundam as well. Gundam Astaroth |
Mar 20, 2016 12:06 PM
#56
This was pretty good episode,especially when compared to the previous few. And I certainly hope that there will be a second season. |
Mar 20, 2016 12:44 PM
#57
DAMN YOU EIN !!! YOU KILLED MY WAIFUS !!! Thank God Atra is still alive. Next episode is the final. I am so scared, I have no idea who are gonna make it and who is going to die. Yo yeah, this gundam series delivered for now. |
Mar 20, 2016 12:47 PM
#58
People need to look at the bigger picture, instead of just saying that Ein is a bitch and needs to die. The point is that both sides are not that different. Ein/Gaelio and Tekkadan are BOTH fighting to avenge the lives of people the care for. Neither care about the big picture goal here. So when people say that Ein is spitting in Crank's face with his actions, or that his become blinded by revenge....that's exactly what Tekkadan is right now. Just like how Gjallarhorn's orders don't drive Ein/Gaelio, Kudelia's mission doesn't register right now to Tekkadan. I mean did you hear that speech by Orga?! He just told them TO DIE FOR THE MEMORY OF THOSE THAT HAVE PAST, AND FOR THOSE THAT WILL SURVIVE. These are kids who've yet to live a fruitful life and he's telling them to die, and they are motivated by revenge! Replace them with terrorists, and that's a pre-suicide bombing mission speech. Why is Ein killing them in the same brutal manner that Mika killed people suddenly wrong, but what Mika did last ep fine? I thought it was kill, or be killed? Later ran at Ein screaming die, and got rekt, just she intended to kill him. He's got the Alaya-Vijana system that Mika has, and is taking advantage of it just like Mika does. The whole point is that, as far as the characters we've been following for the season, there's no black and white. Even McGillis' willingness to use others honor for his mission is VERY similar to Kudelia admitting that her mission will kill others, and her not talking the kids out revenge with Merribit. You see that she's mixed on the situation, but does nothing because their sacrifice furthers her mission. It's sad that so many people can't grasp what the storytellers are trying to show us. They didn't go about giving us the typical "pacifist" protagonist, because they're very actions are supposed to show us that violence, war, revenge and death only results in more of the same. THEY'RE NOT THAT DIFFERENT. |
Mar 20, 2016 12:56 PM
#59
At first I thought this gundam was going to be a stright forward mecha, mainly using comedy and mecha style action Now, this episode and the last few has shown that it can be as serious as Mobile suit gundam 00 but having that colorfull art style, the anime has gotten more and more intense as the story has progressed, the deaths, Orga s harsh ideas and Mika s desperation has semented this anime as a gundam to remember |
Mar 20, 2016 1:00 PM
#60
It just occured to me the Ein is a gundam dreadnaught. |
Mar 20, 2016 1:09 PM
#61
Also I think Ein is stronger than Mika. If I remember correctly Ein has a whisker plugged into his head as well as the 3 whiskers on his spine. Mika only has 3 whiskers on spine. Mika bout to get rekttttt So badass |
Mar 20, 2016 1:19 PM
#62
NorthBayAnime said: Also I think Ein is stronger than Mika. If I remember correctly Ein has a whisker plugged into his head as well as the 3 whiskers on his spine. Mika only has 3 whiskers on spine. Mika bout to get rekttttt So badass Ein is stronger because he was already an elite pilot before he got the Alaya-Vijana system. With it.....Gundam Monstros/Graze Ain is about to kill some people... |
Mar 20, 2016 1:23 PM
#63
Gawd dammit, Ein. Why are you still alive ugh. Also Shino, Azee, and Lafter </3 It's like Naze and his harem never happened. Frigging Chocolate Man coming into the fight so late- |
Mar 20, 2016 1:24 PM
#64
Makaze_no_Moujuu said: NorthBayAnime said: Also I think Ein is stronger than Mika. If I remember correctly Ein has a whisker plugged into his head as well as the 3 whiskers on his spine. Mika only has 3 whiskers on spine. Mika bout to get rekttttt So badass Ein is stronger because he was already an elite pilot before he got the Alaya-Vijana system. With it.....Gundam Monstros/Graze Ain is about to kill some people... You don't have to add so many "............." it is annoying lol but yes I agree with you! :D |
Mar 20, 2016 1:30 PM
#65
NorthBayAnime said: For those who want more IBO action make sure to read the Gaiden that's releasing soon :) it's a different story but in the same universe with a new MC and a new gundam as well. Gundam Astaroth Gundam Astaroth has a really cool design Shame we'll probably never see it in the anime. |
Mar 20, 2016 1:53 PM
#66
Gundam textbook episode right here, Politics & conflict… both sides have people making unethical decisions, war is not fun and have consequences… both sides involved in this conflict have major casualties but that is war for Ya! like I said early war is not meant to be fun games... Tekkadan suffering blow after blow combine that with Lafter, Azee and Shino defeat and things doesn’t look good. All of them died?! If that holds (next episode we will see if they escape dead {crippled or badly injured}) Damn! They didn’t have a chance to react... Can’t wait to see next episode to see the outcome of this battle who survived and who is going to live with this huge battle scar in peaceful days...I don’t like this earie feeling that I have that Mika won’t have a harem (I don’t mean that he is going to choose a girl) but if we go by the foreshadowing words of Amida Arca in that talk of love with Atra maybe Mika or Atra would not survive this conflict... P.S. I hope that Merribit doesn’t leaves Orgas side but by the look she gave him in this episode maybe they are drifting apart. I said this not because I want a happy ending for Orga but if he survives he need all the support he has because those decisions weren’t easy to make. |
Mar 20, 2016 2:03 PM
#67
Really great episode! Everything here was on point, especially the animation quality. It´s sosooo much better than in other episodes just makes me wish that all of them were as impactful and awe-inspiring as this one. This show has had some pretty bad parts and boring fodder but it´s moments like these (that is to say, the whole episode in this case) that make me want to continue watching this really interesting and fun show! |
Mar 20, 2016 2:16 PM
#68
Z4k said: NorthBayAnime said: For those who want more IBO action make sure to read the Gaiden that's releasing soon :) it's a different story but in the same universe with a new MC and a new gundam as well. Gundam Astaroth Gundam Astaroth has a really cool design Shame we'll probably never see it in the anime. Yeah it take armor from it's enemies just like the barbatos. I wish I knew when the Gaiden release. Apparently it already did but i can't find it anywhere ;-; |
Mar 20, 2016 2:34 PM
#69
Makaze_no_Moujuu said: The point is that both sides are not that different. Ein/Gaelio and Tekkadan are BOTH fighting to avenge the lives of people the care for. Neither care about the big picture goal here. So when people say that Ein is spitting in Crank's face with his actions, or that his become blinded by revenge....that's exactly what Tekkadan is right now. Just like how Gjallarhorn's orders don't drive Ein/Gaelio, Kudelia's mission doesn't register right now to Tekkadan. I mean did you hear that speech by Orga?! He just told them TO DIE FOR THE MEMORY OF THOSE THAT HAVE PAST, AND FOR THOSE THAT WILL SURVIVE. These are kids who've yet to live a fruitful life and he's telling them to die, and they are motivated by revenge! Replace them with terrorists, and that's a pre-suicide bombing mission speech. Why is Ein killing them in the same brutal manner that Mika killed people suddenly wrong, but what Mika did last ep fine? I thought it was kill, or be killed? Later ran at Ein screaming die, and got rekt, just she intended to kill him. He's got the Alaya-Vijana system that Mika has, and is taking advantage of it just like Mika does. The whole point is that, as far as the characters we've been following for the season, there's no black and white. Even McGillis' willingness to use others honor for his mission is VERY similar to Kudelia admitting that her mission will kill others, and her not talking the kids out revenge with Merribit. You see that she's mixed on the situation, but does nothing because their sacrifice furthers her mission. It's sad that so many people can't grasp what the storytellers are trying to show us. They didn't go about giving us the typical "pacifist" protagonist, because they're very actions are supposed to show us that violence, war, revenge and death only results in more of the same. THEY'RE NOT THAT DIFFERENT. Well said, that's along the lines I was thinking of regarding the two sides, Tekkadan vs. Gaelio and Ein, the way they were doing things for revenge, showing the cycle of war. However I also interpreted it a little differently. Gaelio and Ein don't really have a bigger goal, but Tekkadan does. While Tekkadan's goal is more or less vague, they just want to go home or have a place to call home, they've had the same resolve this whole time. And it's further solidified in this episode as they wholeheartedly went into the suicide mission. Gaelio and Ein on the other hand, they didn't have any particular goals, only taking orders. And I feel like the whole Ein turning into a mech and using the Alaya-Vijnana system shows how easily their values can change. Both looked down upon the system, yet ended up accepting it. Even worse, it's ironic that Gaelio now says that what Ein is is the Alaya-Vijnana's true form, while the Tekkadan are fakes. While there's the theme that both side's actions continues the cycle of war, I think the show might side with Tekkadan, as Ein is literally "inhuman," he can't live without the technology. On the other hand, we're seeing the Tekkdan children getting injured and dying, their cries are not full of hatred or anger, unlike those of Gaelio and Ein (not saying they haven't been angry though). |
Mar 20, 2016 3:34 PM
#70
damn, robo-ein got turnt up all the way. I cant wait till next week, the death counter cant stop at 3. I'm pretty sure Mika will get mutilated, just waiting to see to what extent. Depending on how they handle next week they might not even need a season 2. |
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Mar 20, 2016 4:14 PM
#71
Is there any point in developing all these characters if you're gonna trash them in one episode? |
Mar 20, 2016 4:25 PM
#72
That was intense. I expected some other deaths but anyway, intense. |
» Escapism. |
Mar 20, 2016 4:46 PM
#73
richard360 said: damn, robo-ein got turnt up all the way. I cant wait till next week, the death counter cant stop at 3. I'm pretty sure Mika will get mutilated, just waiting to see to what extent. Depending on how they handle next week they might not even need a season 2. I was thinking about it. I think Aina will have the same destiny of Aina Sahalin from 08TH MS Team: She will live on a unknow place with his husband that will get mutilated on the battle against Psycho Ein. The same that happened with Shiro Amada on the battle against the psychotic brother of Aina. |
Mar 20, 2016 4:47 PM
#74
Makaze_no_Moujuu said: People need to look at the bigger picture, instead of just saying that Ein is a bitch and needs to die. The point is that both sides are not that different. Ein/Gaelio and Tekkadan are BOTH fighting to avenge the lives of people the care for. Neither care about the big picture goal here. So when people say that Ein is spitting in Crank's face with his actions, or that his become blinded by revenge....that's exactly what Tekkadan is right now. Just like how Gjallarhorn's orders don't drive Ein/Gaelio, Kudelia's mission doesn't register right now to Tekkadan. I mean did you hear that speech by Orga?! He just told them TO DIE FOR THE MEMORY OF THOSE THAT HAVE PAST, AND FOR THOSE THAT WILL SURVIVE. These are kids who've yet to live a fruitful life and he's telling them to die, and they are motivated by revenge! Replace them with terrorists, and that's a pre-suicide bombing mission speech. Why is Ein killing them in the same brutal manner that Mika killed people suddenly wrong, but what Mika did last ep fine? I thought it was kill, or be killed? Later ran at Ein screaming die, and got rekt, just she intended to kill him. He's got the Alaya-Vijana system that Mika has, and is taking advantage of it just like Mika does. The whole point is that, as far as the characters we've been following for the season, there's no black and white. Even McGillis' willingness to use others honor for his mission is VERY similar to Kudelia admitting that her mission will kill others, and her not talking the kids out revenge with Merribit. You see that she's mixed on the situation, but does nothing because their sacrifice furthers her mission. It's sad that so many people can't grasp what the storytellers are trying to show us. They didn't go about giving us the typical "pacifist" protagonist, because they're very actions are supposed to show us that violence, war, revenge and death only results in more of the same. THEY'RE NOT THAT DIFFERENT. You're wrong. Tekkadan is fighting for their survival. It's not and has no longer been about revenge for a long time now. Like Orga said to Biscuit, they can't retreat because they'll never have a home where they can leave in peace as long as they can't accomplish their goals. They're not throwing their lives away for no reason. It's because the ones that survive can actually have a chance to survive in peace, and not be hunted down for the rest of their lives until they all die. Ein and Tekkadan are not the same at all. Ein's obsessed about the past while Tekkadan is fighting for a future. |
Mar 20, 2016 4:53 PM
#75
I almost had a heart attack when Atra jumped infront of Kudelia, thought she was going to die. Hope they announce a season two next week. |
Mar 20, 2016 5:07 PM
#76
JizzyHitler said: AzuriteZ said: thats not confirmed, the post for source is basing it off a amazon listing that referred to it as season 1 but it was likley referring to the first cour as the first seasonWelp as sad for those that died, this is what I have been waiting for in a gundam series. This is way too epic. On the side note, season 2 is confirmed but probably after they air gundam uc re:0096 which will take up the next 2 season. http://gundamguy.blogspot.ca/2016/01/mobile-suit-gundam-iron-blooded-orphans_23.html the preview indicates next episode to be the 25th episode rather than the final episode, so the possibility of getting the second season is quite high. |
Mar 20, 2016 5:17 PM
#77
Shino better not be dead. Yamagi was all, "No way" and man, Shino can't die until he finds out his little blond friend is in love with him lmao Next week's episode is going to have me in tears, I'm sure. This was just the beginning of deaths. I really wasn't agreeing with Orga at all but it's too late to turn back now. |
Mar 20, 2016 6:35 PM
#78
Omfg Ein and his one-tracked broken mind pisses me off so much! So far so good, my 3 little kiddies are still alive and kicking. PLEASE SURVIVE DAMNIT, TOO MUCH LOSS! (Fck u Orga for letting orange hair fight! That was my only issue) Makaze_no_Moujuu said: People need to look at the bigger picture, instead of just saying that Ein is a bitch and needs to die. The point is that both sides are not that different. Ein/Gaelio and Tekkadan are BOTH fighting to avenge the lives of people the care for. Neither care about the big picture goal here. So when people say that Ein is spitting in Crank's face with his actions, or that his become blinded by revenge....that's exactly what Tekkadan is right now. Just like how Gjallarhorn's orders don't drive Ein/Gaelio, Kudelia's mission doesn't register right now to Tekkadan. I mean did you hear that speech by Orga?! He just told them TO DIE FOR THE MEMORY OF THOSE THAT HAVE PAST, AND FOR THOSE THAT WILL SURVIVE. These are kids who've yet to live a fruitful life and he's telling them to die, and they are motivated by revenge! Replace them with terrorists, and that's a pre-suicide bombing mission speech. Why is Ein killing them in the same brutal manner that Mika killed people suddenly wrong, but what Mika did last ep fine? I thought it was kill, or be killed? Later ran at Ein screaming die, and got rekt, just she intended to kill him. He's got the Alaya-Vijana system that Mika has, and is taking advantage of it just like Mika does. The whole point is that, as far as the characters we've been following for the season, there's no black and white. Even McGillis' willingness to use others honor for his mission is VERY similar to Kudelia admitting that her mission will kill others, and her not talking the kids out revenge with Merribit. You see that she's mixed on the situation, but does nothing because their sacrifice furthers her mission. It's sad that so many people can't grasp what the storytellers are trying to show us. They didn't go about giving us the typical "pacifist" protagonist, because they're very actions are supposed to show us that violence, war, revenge and death only results in more of the same. THEY'RE NOT THAT DIFFERENT. Nope. Ein's still a bitch. |
InugirlzMar 20, 2016 6:38 PM
Mar 20, 2016 6:40 PM
#79
Celinha87 said: I think Aina will have the same destiny of Aina Sahalin from 08TH MS Team: She will live on a unknow place with his husband that will get mutilated on the battle against Psycho Ein. The same that happened with Shiro Amada on the battle against the psychotic brother of Aina. Oh, I really hope not. Kudelia ending up with Mikazuki is way too predictable and I don't want that to happen. It'd be more interesting if he chooses Atra as she's not your typical love interest in a Gundam series but I know this won't happen. And from the preview of next episode, it looks like Kudelia will be the one with Mikazuki. :( |
Mar 20, 2016 6:41 PM
#80
Tohka_Yatogami said: I hope Azee and Lafter are not dead! Azee is most probably dead but not sure about Lafter. I hope Shino is not dead, though. |
Mar 20, 2016 6:45 PM
#81
Ncrdrg said: Makaze_no_Moujuu said: People need to look at the bigger picture, instead of just saying that Ein is a bitch and needs to die. The point is that both sides are not that different. Ein/Gaelio and Tekkadan are BOTH fighting to avenge the lives of people the care for. Neither care about the big picture goal here. So when people say that Ein is spitting in Crank's face with his actions, or that his become blinded by revenge....that's exactly what Tekkadan is right now. Just like how Gjallarhorn's orders don't drive Ein/Gaelio, Kudelia's mission doesn't register right now to Tekkadan. I mean did you hear that speech by Orga?! He just told them TO DIE FOR THE MEMORY OF THOSE THAT HAVE PAST, AND FOR THOSE THAT WILL SURVIVE. These are kids who've yet to live a fruitful life and he's telling them to die, and they are motivated by revenge! Replace them with terrorists, and that's a pre-suicide bombing mission speech. Why is Ein killing them in the same brutal manner that Mika killed people suddenly wrong, but what Mika did last ep fine? I thought it was kill, or be killed? Later ran at Ein screaming die, and got rekt, just she intended to kill him. He's got the Alaya-Vijana system that Mika has, and is taking advantage of it just like Mika does. The whole point is that, as far as the characters we've been following for the season, there's no black and white. Even McGillis' willingness to use others honor for his mission is VERY similar to Kudelia admitting that her mission will kill others, and her not talking the kids out revenge with Merribit. You see that she's mixed on the situation, but does nothing because their sacrifice furthers her mission. It's sad that so many people can't grasp what the storytellers are trying to show us. They didn't go about giving us the typical "pacifist" protagonist, because they're very actions are supposed to show us that violence, war, revenge and death only results in more of the same. THEY'RE NOT THAT DIFFERENT. You're wrong. Tekkadan is fighting for their survival. It's not and has no longer been about revenge for a long time now. Like Orga said to Biscuit, they can't retreat because they'll never have a home where they can leave in peace as long as they can't accomplish their goals. They're not throwing their lives away for no reason. It's because the ones that survive can actually have a chance to survive in peace, and not be hunted down for the rest of their lives until they all die. Ein and Tekkadan are not the same at all. Ein's obsessed about the past while Tekkadan is fighting for a future. Tekkadan is fighting for the future because of what they endured in the past. Ein was discriminated, and alone, and Crank came along; taking him under his wing. Those kind of people cling to their "saviors" harder than normal, they killed him. Also what do you mean that revenge isn't their motivation? Their future was always the goal, but this suicide run is because of the being motivated by revenge. It was only last episode that we saw these same kids reveling in the brutality that Mika displayed. Not to mention, both Ein and Tekkadan are throwing away their futures for nothing. Both are doing the opposite of what Crank and Biscuit want for them. Orga can give all the epic speeches he wants, but he comes off like a Griffith-type giving a speech to suicide bombers. Yes, he means well, but look at all that death! What will them achieving their goals mean if him, and Mika, are the only ones left standing, atop a mountain of their "family's" corpses? Same applies to Ein, even if he does kill Kudelia and all of Tekkadan...what's next? He's lost his body, and mind, for revenge. Honestly, I think it'd be an act of mercy for Mika to kill him, rather than us potentially getting a scene of this dude crying all alone in a dark docking station, or something. It's also probably best if Tekkadan fails, retreats, and simply combine with the Turbines, and stay our of the politics game. They have different pasts, and have suffered differently, but they are both on the same path. |
Makaze_no_MoujuuMar 20, 2016 6:52 PM
Mar 20, 2016 6:49 PM
#82
Inugirlz said: Omfg Ein and his one-tracked broken mind pisses me off so much! So far so good, my 3 little kiddies are still alive and kicking. PLEASE SURVIVE DAMNIT, TOO MUCH LOSS! (Fck u Orga for letting orange hair fight! That was my only issue) Makaze_no_Moujuu said: People need to look at the bigger picture, instead of just saying that Ein is a bitch and needs to die. The point is that both sides are not that different. Ein/Gaelio and Tekkadan are BOTH fighting to avenge the lives of people the care for. Neither care about the big picture goal here. So when people say that Ein is spitting in Crank's face with his actions, or that his become blinded by revenge....that's exactly what Tekkadan is right now. Just like how Gjallarhorn's orders don't drive Ein/Gaelio, Kudelia's mission doesn't register right now to Tekkadan. I mean did you hear that speech by Orga?! He just told them TO DIE FOR THE MEMORY OF THOSE THAT HAVE PAST, AND FOR THOSE THAT WILL SURVIVE. These are kids who've yet to live a fruitful life and he's telling them to die, and they are motivated by revenge! Replace them with terrorists, and that's a pre-suicide bombing mission speech. Why is Ein killing them in the same brutal manner that Mika killed people suddenly wrong, but what Mika did last ep fine? I thought it was kill, or be killed? Later ran at Ein screaming die, and got rekt, just she intended to kill him. He's got the Alaya-Vijana system that Mika has, and is taking advantage of it just like Mika does. The whole point is that, as far as the characters we've been following for the season, there's no black and white. Even McGillis' willingness to use others honor for his mission is VERY similar to Kudelia admitting that her mission will kill others, and her not talking the kids out revenge with Merribit. You see that she's mixed on the situation, but does nothing because their sacrifice furthers her mission. It's sad that so many people can't grasp what the storytellers are trying to show us. They didn't go about giving us the typical "pacifist" protagonist, because they're very actions are supposed to show us that violence, war, revenge and death only results in more of the same. THEY'RE NOT THAT DIFFERENT. Nope. Ein's still a bitch. I doubt Azee, Lafter, and Shino think that lol. By your logic tho, Tekkadan is full of that. Personally I find it childish to root for a group that willing chooses a profession that involves killing people, and then get mad when said group gets rekt the way they were doing to others. Kill, or be killed, right? Well Ein was simply following Mika's example in how to kill your enemies in unnecessarily brutal, "SAVAGE!!!" fashion. |
Mar 20, 2016 7:06 PM
#83
this episode was intense final parts all i could think was NOT LIKE THIS ;-; hoping those 3 are okay Shino looked like was about to get crushed by Ein before he bolted off to wards the city ,part of me was just their way of showing out damn powerful Ein. so much death i felt real bad for ms Merribit having to bear witness to all of it and unable to do anything but watch. glad McGillis showed up when he did ending insert was so good |
Mar 20, 2016 7:24 PM
#84
In typical Gundam fashion I just knew that nearing the finale (or atleast season finale maybe) a lot of people would die, can't wait for next week. |
Mar 20, 2016 7:34 PM
#85
Azee Gurumin, ah my poor lass! I hope you survive, but if not, you died well: in your 'mech with your hands on your weapons! /salute |
The sword that takes life gives life |
Mar 20, 2016 7:34 PM
#86
Are people still complaining about Ein being a little bitch? Sure, he most certainly was the series' token bitch queen (Every Gundam has one - Hathaway, Katz, etc.)... but that was when he was still a mostly normal human being. Whatever the fuck he is now, he's all fucked up beyond recognition. You don't have to like his ridiculously one-track mind, but the circumstances have changed, you gotta be a little more sympathetic to him now since or at least recognize that he's not what he was back then anymore. |
Mar 20, 2016 7:37 PM
#87
Theorder14 said: There has to be a season 2. There's no way they can wrap up everything in one ep. I found this a while ago while browsing on the internet: |
Mar 20, 2016 7:49 PM
#88
Makaze_no_Moujuu said: Ncrdrg said: Makaze_no_Moujuu said: People need to look at the bigger picture, instead of just saying that Ein is a bitch and needs to die. The point is that both sides are not that different. Ein/Gaelio and Tekkadan are BOTH fighting to avenge the lives of people the care for. Neither care about the big picture goal here. So when people say that Ein is spitting in Crank's face with his actions, or that his become blinded by revenge....that's exactly what Tekkadan is right now. Just like how Gjallarhorn's orders don't drive Ein/Gaelio, Kudelia's mission doesn't register right now to Tekkadan. I mean did you hear that speech by Orga?! He just told them TO DIE FOR THE MEMORY OF THOSE THAT HAVE PAST, AND FOR THOSE THAT WILL SURVIVE. These are kids who've yet to live a fruitful life and he's telling them to die, and they are motivated by revenge! Replace them with terrorists, and that's a pre-suicide bombing mission speech. Why is Ein killing them in the same brutal manner that Mika killed people suddenly wrong, but what Mika did last ep fine? I thought it was kill, or be killed? Later ran at Ein screaming die, and got rekt, just she intended to kill him. He's got the Alaya-Vijana system that Mika has, and is taking advantage of it just like Mika does. The whole point is that, as far as the characters we've been following for the season, there's no black and white. Even McGillis' willingness to use others honor for his mission is VERY similar to Kudelia admitting that her mission will kill others, and her not talking the kids out revenge with Merribit. You see that she's mixed on the situation, but does nothing because their sacrifice furthers her mission. It's sad that so many people can't grasp what the storytellers are trying to show us. They didn't go about giving us the typical "pacifist" protagonist, because they're very actions are supposed to show us that violence, war, revenge and death only results in more of the same. THEY'RE NOT THAT DIFFERENT. You're wrong. Tekkadan is fighting for their survival. It's not and has no longer been about revenge for a long time now. Like Orga said to Biscuit, they can't retreat because they'll never have a home where they can leave in peace as long as they can't accomplish their goals. They're not throwing their lives away for no reason. It's because the ones that survive can actually have a chance to survive in peace, and not be hunted down for the rest of their lives until they all die. Ein and Tekkadan are not the same at all. Ein's obsessed about the past while Tekkadan is fighting for a future. Tekkadan is fighting for the future because of what they endured in the past. Ein was discriminated, and alone, and Crank came along; taking him under his wing. Those kind of people cling to their "saviors" harder than normal, they killed him. Also what do you mean that revenge isn't their motivation? Their future was always the goal, but this suicide run is because of the being motivated by revenge. It was only last episode that we saw these same kids reveling in the brutality that Mika displayed. Not to mention, both Ein and Tekkadan are throwing away their futures for nothing. Both are doing the opposite of what Crank and Biscuit want for them. Orga can give all the epic speeches he wants, but he comes off like a Griffith-type giving a speech to suicide bombers. Yes, he means well, but look at all that death! What will them achieving their goals mean if him, and Mika, are the only ones left standing, atop a mountain of their "family's" corpses? Same applies to Ein, even if he does kill Kudelia and all of Tekkadan...what's next? He's lost his body, and mind, for revenge. Honestly, I think it'd be an act of mercy for Mika to kill him, rather than us potentially getting a scene of this dude crying all alone in a dark docking station, or something. It's also probably best if Tekkadan fails, retreats, and simply combine with the Turbines, and stay our of the politics game. They have different pasts, and have suffered differently, but they are both on the same path. You know, it sounds to me like you the argument Orga and Biscuit had completely slipped your mind or you completely misinterpreted it. Biscuit wanted to go back, cut their losses and go home. Orga's argument was there will never be any safe place for them to live as long as they live if they retreated now. Because Gallahorn would hunt them down. Thus they would have no future. That's why Orga was arguing that there was only one real way to continue and that is forward. Biscuit disagreed but I agree with Orga because Biscuit was naive as hell about being able to retire in peace. That means a crazy amount of casualties but his whole speech was that for some of them to have a future where they could live in peace, they had to sacrifice their lives for Kudelia+that old man to reach the parliament or whatever. Not for revenge. Their goal isn't to kill Ghallahorn, it's to get the political powers in place so colonies can become independent. Do they like killing Ghallahorn soldiers? Yes. Mika's slaughter of Carta + her 2 guards made very clear they have sadistic tendencies. But is it their overall goal? Hell no. Ein by comparison has only one motivation in life and it's to avenge Crank. He's got nothing else. No goal, no nothing. He's become a one-note character that lives only for revenge. And that's why I can't wait for him to die for good. Tekkadan and Ein differ a lot because one clings to the past and the other aims to change the future. |
Mar 20, 2016 7:50 PM
#89
Makaze_no_Moujuu said: Ncrdrg said: Makaze_no_Moujuu said: People need to look at the bigger picture, instead of just saying that Ein is a bitch and needs to die. The point is that both sides are not that different. Ein/Gaelio and Tekkadan are BOTH fighting to avenge the lives of people the care for. Neither care about the big picture goal here. So when people say that Ein is spitting in Crank's face with his actions, or that his become blinded by revenge....that's exactly what Tekkadan is right now. Just like how Gjallarhorn's orders don't drive Ein/Gaelio, Kudelia's mission doesn't register right now to Tekkadan. I mean did you hear that speech by Orga?! He just told them TO DIE FOR THE MEMORY OF THOSE THAT HAVE PAST, AND FOR THOSE THAT WILL SURVIVE. These are kids who've yet to live a fruitful life and he's telling them to die, and they are motivated by revenge! Replace them with terrorists, and that's a pre-suicide bombing mission speech. Why is Ein killing them in the same brutal manner that Mika killed people suddenly wrong, but what Mika did last ep fine? I thought it was kill, or be killed? Later ran at Ein screaming die, and got rekt, just she intended to kill him. He's got the Alaya-Vijana system that Mika has, and is taking advantage of it just like Mika does. The whole point is that, as far as the characters we've been following for the season, there's no black and white. Even McGillis' willingness to use others honor for his mission is VERY similar to Kudelia admitting that her mission will kill others, and her not talking the kids out revenge with Merribit. You see that she's mixed on the situation, but does nothing because their sacrifice furthers her mission. It's sad that so many people can't grasp what the storytellers are trying to show us. They didn't go about giving us the typical "pacifist" protagonist, because they're very actions are supposed to show us that violence, war, revenge and death only results in more of the same. THEY'RE NOT THAT DIFFERENT. You're wrong. Tekkadan is fighting for their survival. It's not and has no longer been about revenge for a long time now. Like Orga said to Biscuit, they can't retreat because they'll never have a home where they can leave in peace as long as they can't accomplish their goals. They're not throwing their lives away for no reason. It's because the ones that survive can actually have a chance to survive in peace, and not be hunted down for the rest of their lives until they all die. Ein and Tekkadan are not the same at all. Ein's obsessed about the past while Tekkadan is fighting for a future. Tekkadan is fighting for the future because of what they endured in the past. Ein was discriminated, and alone, and Crank came along; taking him under his wing. Those kind of people cling to their "saviors" harder than normal, they killed him. Also what do you mean that revenge isn't their motivation? Their future was always the goal, but this suicide run is because of the being motivated by revenge. It was only last episode that we saw these same kids reveling in the brutality that Mika displayed. Not to mention, both Ein and Tekkadan are throwing away their futures for nothing. Both are doing the opposite of what Crank and Biscuit want for them. Orga can give all the epic speeches he wants, but he comes off like a Griffith-type giving a speech to suicide bombers. Yes, he means well, but look at all that death! What will them achieving their goals mean if him, and Mika, are the only ones left standing, atop a mountain of their "family's" corpses? Same applies to Ein, even if he does kill Kudelia and all of Tekkadan...what's next? He's lost his body, and mind, for revenge. Honestly, I think it'd be an act of mercy for Mika to kill him, rather than us potentially getting a scene of this dude crying all alone in a dark docking station, or something. It's also probably best if Tekkadan fails, retreats, and simply combine with the Turbines, and stay our of the politics game. They have different pasts, and have suffered differently, but they are both on the same path. Maybe so but Tekk do have end goals that aren't revenge, sure you can say revenge made them more aggressive but when it comes to goals and motives they are waaaay diferent |
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