| I was pretty shocked to see the original Evangelion at #131 when I was expecting it to at least be in the top 40. What criticisms can you give that would explain why it's rated so low? |
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Yumadu-nii said: Wanna completely lose faith in the site's rating system ?Check Ergo Proxy and Texhnolyze positions and then check the top 9.I was pretty shocked to see the original Evangelion at #131 when I was expecting it to at least be in the top 40. What criticisms can you give that would explain why it's rated so low? |
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| BEar in mind that for some unknown reason, mecha anime is quite disliked on MAL. If you look at the amount of Mecha anime franchise higher ranked than Evangelion, you'll only have Code Geass, Guren Lagan, Ghost in the shell and Gundam Unicorn. So as far as Mecha franchises go, Evangelion is ranked as the 5th franchise. Add to that that Evangelion has almost no moe, almost no ecchi, isn't edgy enough, has a weak willed MC( type of MC that lots of MAL users dislike it seems), and that position isn't actually half that bad. |
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Comic_Sans said: SHINJI ISN'T AN EPIC ALPHA MALE THEREFORE I CRI EVERI TYME EVANGELION 2.0 4 LYFE SHOUNEN HAREM LORD FUCK YEAH This has to be the answer. "GIVE ME BACK... AYAAANAAAAMIIIIIIII!!!" shonen fags get a boner. |
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Clebardman said: Evangelion 2.0 has so much character growth, Shinji turned into a shounen harem lord 11/10 I cry everi tymeComic_Sans said: SHINJI ISN'T AN EPIC ALPHA MALE THEREFORE I CRI EVERI TYME EVANGELION 2.0 4 LYFE SHOUNEN HAREM LORD FUCK YEAH This has to be the answer. "GIVE ME BACK... AYAAANAAAAMIIIIIIII!!!" shonen fags get a boner. |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: Pretty much this. You can also throw in the "It's 2deep for me", "Asuka's an annoying bitch", etc, etc, etc. It's kinda funny how 2.0 seemed to be made exactly for the non-Evangelion fans.SHINJI ISN'T AN EPIC ALPHA MALE THEREFORE I CRI EVERI TYME EVANGELION 2.0 4 LYFE SHOUNEN HAREM LORD FUCK YEAH |
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| The long standing criticism for it is that it's pseudo-deep nonsense thought up by a highly depressed man. Might be true, might not. All I remember is that when I attempted to watch it a few years back, I stopped around episode 10. It felt sort of hallow and depressive to me. :/ |
Ericonator said: By definition, everything is retro since by the time you realize something has happened it's already in the past.  |
| Imo the characters were either annoying or boring and you can't have a good story without the characters. That's just me though, others love the characters. |
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| You do know that the rating doesn't mean goddamn shit don't you ? |
| What the show eventually became in the end was a lot less interesting than what it could have been. Basically it put forward all these great ideas only to drop them completely and make it a show about Shinji and his feelings. |
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AngelicTotoro said: The long standing criticism for it is that it's pseudo-deep nonsense thought up by a highly depressed man. Might be true, might not. All I remember is that when I attempted to watch it a few years back, I stopped around episode 10. It felt sort of hallow and depressive to me. :/ You only saw the tame, generic and happy half of it :c. |
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St0rmrage said: Hah.. Wow.. Is this real? Ergo Proxy at #400s and Texhnolyze in #800s when Gintama takes half the top 9 slots. And the 9th is Clannad After Story? Hah, my faith in the rating system is dead.Yumadu-nii said: Wanna completely lose faith in the site's rating system ?Check Ergo Proxy and Texhnolyze positions and then check the top 9.I was pretty shocked to see the original Evangelion at #131 when I was expecting it to at least be in the top 40. What criticisms can you give that would explain why it's rated so low? EDIT: I guess it's not all bad though. At least Legend of the Galactic Heroes is 10th. |
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Yumadu-nii said: St0rmrage said: Hah.. Wow.. Is this real? Ergo Proxy at #400s and Texhnolyze in #800s when Gintama takes half the top 9 slots. And the 9th is Clannad After Story? Hah, my faith in the rating system is dead.Wanna completely lose faith in the site's rating system ?Check Ergo Proxy and Texhnolyze positions and then check the top 9. EDIT: I guess it's not all bad though. At least Legend of the Galactic Heroes is 10th. Mal ratings will be better if people stop rating everything 10/10 :) |
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| Yeah no kidding. Maybe 10s should be removed altogether, after all, nothing is perfect. |
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tragedydesu said: Yumadu-nii said: Hah.. Wow.. Is this real? Ergo Proxy at #400s and Texhnolyze in #800s when Gintama takes half the top 9 slots. And the 9th is Clannad After Story? Hah, my faith in the rating system is dead. EDIT: I guess it's not all bad though. At least Legend of the Galactic Heroes is 10th. Mal ratings will be better if people stop rating everything 10/10 :) not true just let everyone rate as they like if they really believe its deserve the score MAL community has a lot of troll, haters and people who think they understand critic that the problem of MAL |
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Yumadu-nii said: Yeah no kidding. Maybe 10s should be removed altogether, after all, nothing is perfect. true but 10 means MASTERPIECE not perfect there's a difference |
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| I really think of this one as a classic. It had his traits that where masterpiece worthy. But is also had moment which made you think if those where really necessarily. The final movie for example was a rollercoaster from up and downs for me. A really weird experience. |
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Yumadu-nii said: St0rmrage said: Hah.. Wow.. Is this real? Ergo Proxy at #400s and Texhnolyze in #800s when Gintama takes half the top 9 slots. And the 9th is Clannad After Story? Hah, my faith in the rating system is dead.Wanna completely lose faith in the site's rating system ?Check Ergo Proxy and Texhnolyze positions and then check the top 9. EDIT: I guess it's not all bad though. At least Legend of the Galactic Heroes is 10th. Unfortunately, mal rankings isnt a good reference for elitists |
SecretXAgent said: LoL, yeah.. MAL is not made for "Elitists" XDUnfortunately, mal rankings isnt a good reference for elitists |
EsperMar 12, 2016 3:15 AM
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_Esper_ said: SecretXAgent said: LoL, yeah.. MAL is not for" Elitists" XDUnfortunately, mal rankings isnt a good reference for elitists i feel the opposite just look how much people here hate popular shows Mal is for elitists |
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tragedydesu said: Nah.. I call them "self proclaim" "Elitists". LoL_Esper_ said: LoL, yeah.. MAL is not for" Elitists" XD i feel the opposite just look how much people here hate popular shows Mal is for elitists |
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| #131 is actually high enough for an old show. I'm more surprised not the see Charlotte in the top 300 |
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Zefyris said: BEar in mind that for some unknown reason, mecha anime is quite disliked on MAL. If you look at the amount of Mecha anime franchise higher ranked than Evangelion, you'll only have Code Geass, Guren Lagan, Ghost in the shell and Gundam Unicorn. So as far as Mecha franchises go, Evangelion is ranked as the 5th franchise. Add to that that Evangelion has almost no moe, almost no ecchi, isn't edgy enough, has a weak willed MC( type of MC that lots of MAL users dislike it seems), and that position isn't actually half that bad. But is GITS really mecha? Z-Dante said: #131 is actually high enough for an old show. I'm more surprised not the see Charlotte in the top 300 Because most people know that charlotte is complete shit. Also I haven't seen eva for a couple years but I do much prefer end of eva regardless. Also utena is a bit easier to digest than eva is imo, which is why I gave it a higher rating. Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
ShockedMar 12, 2016 11:47 AM
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Z-Dante said: lol why do you think so? I think a 7.92 score is still very high for a typical audience focused drama.#131 is actually high enough for an old show. I'm more surprised not the see Charlotte in the top 300 |
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johnyjohny said: it's really high considering how many people on these forums consider it to be one of the worst shows ever createdZ-Dante said: lol why do you think so? I think a 7.92 score is still very high for a typical audience focused drama.#131 is actually high enough for an old show. I'm more surprised not the see Charlotte in the top 300 |
black1blade said: Zefyris said: BEar in mind that for some unknown reason, mecha anime is quite disliked on MAL. If you look at the amount of Mecha anime franchise higher ranked than Evangelion, you'll only have Code Geass, Guren Lagan, Ghost in the shell and Gundam Unicorn. So as far as Mecha franchises go, Evangelion is ranked as the 5th franchise. Add to that that Evangelion has almost no moe, almost no ecchi, isn't edgy enough, has a weak willed MC( type of MC that lots of MAL users dislike it seems), and that position isn't actually half that bad. But is GITS really mecha? Z-Dante said: #131 is actually high enough for an old show. I'm more surprised not the see Charlotte in the top 300 Because most people know that charlotte is complete shit. borderline at best, I suppose. I simply listed all the shows with that tag :). If we were t refuse GITS its mecha tag, then Evangelion is even 4th. |
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Zefyris said: MAL users must not like looking in the mirror :^)Add to that that Evangelion has almost no moe, almost no ecchi, isn't edgy enough, has a weak willed MC( type of MC that lots of MAL users dislike it seems), and that position isn't actually half that bad. Reminder that Hideaki Anno was a 'weak willed' otaku and made Shinji to resemble both himself and his audience. This is also why Shinji fapped to Asuka. He's saying "this is you, fapping to a 14 year old girl." The real question is, now that Asuka's technically 28 in the Rebuild, is it okay to fap to her now? |
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Mayuka said: johnyjohny said: it's really high considering how many people on these forums consider it to be one of the worst shows ever createdlol why do you think so? I think a 7.92 score is still very high for a typical audience focused drama. It's bad, but I have seen worse. Although that score is pretty damn high for it lol. OT: Some people tend to overthink some of the symbolism in NGE, or they don't think about anything going on at all. It's not everyone's cup of tea, and there are certain reasons for that. Hideaki Anno had a lot of personal elements tied into the show, and as Hideaki was battling with his emotional issues he reflected that into his characters. He also stated that at a certain point he didn't want things to be explicitly told, and wanted to viewer to interpret and understand by themselves without their hand being held through the plot. This is quite common for many writers to do (usually in novels and poetry), so I think when people see it done in anime they are taken back a bit and confused. |
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| hell even anno said the religious imagery is just for the background, it has no deep symbolic meaning to the series. people dislike it becuase they relate to shinji and because the last 2 episodes were confusing af |
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| EVA, in my eyes, is an amazing piece of art. Sure it has its fair share of hits and misses, but it is still wonderful overall and truly worthy to be my no.1 favorite anime of all time. Also, I like the original TV Series slightly better than the Rebuilds (although I admit that the Rebuilds did better on character developments). I guess today's generation would have a hard time liking such an old series coming from over 20 years ago and preferred currently trending series or massively overrated ones. They also won't like Shinji for being an emo, pathetic main protagonist (despite being more realistic and overall MUCH better character than a certain pathetic white-haired, teeth-masked half-man-eater with red tentacles growing from his back) and preferred badass fighter-type characters and also boring Gary Stu characters. |
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Yumadu-nii said: Zefyris said: MAL users must not like looking in the mirror :^)Add to that that Evangelion has almost no moe, almost no ecchi, isn't edgy enough, has a weak willed MC( type of MC that lots of MAL users dislike it seems), and that position isn't actually half that bad. Reminder that Hideaki Anno was a 'weak willed' otaku and made Shinji to resemble both himself and his audience. This is also why Shinji fapped to Asuka. He's saying "this is you, fapping to a 14 year old girl." The real question is, now that Asuka's technically 28 in the Rebuild, is it okay to fap to her now? They dislike even more when you point that out :p. I suppose gainax think she is, since they made her suit partially see through. |
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| It's boring as fuck. I still have not finished it, and I started watching it almost a year ago. |
| Frankly it felt like there was depth there for the sake of it. Nothing about its hidden meanings or symbolism actually made me care about what was going on or its implications. I found it boring from time to time and the characters underwhelmed me. I still gave it a 7, which means I did indeed enjoy it. I just don't see it as being among the greats at this stage, although I'll recognize its historical significance. |
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Zefyris said: black1blade said: But is GITS really mecha? Because most people know that charlotte is complete shit. borderline at best, I suppose. I simply listed all the shows with that tag :). If we were t refuse GITS its mecha tag, then Evangelion is even 4th. |
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amk_2397 said: I'm pretty sure that we've all been abandoned by our lord and saviour, Anno.Comic_Sans said: Pretty much this. You can also throw in the "It's 2deep for me", "Asuka's an annoying bitch", etc, etc, etc. It's kinda funny how 2.0 seemed to be made exactly for the non-Evangelion fans.SHINJI ISN'T AN EPIC ALPHA MALE THEREFORE I CRI EVERI TYME EVANGELION 2.0 4 LYFE SHOUNEN HAREM LORD FUCK YEAH |
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| The ending? I will go with the ending. And Shinji wasn't so bad in the series, end of evangelion was when he became a little piece of shit , that it's something that i expect from a villain. |
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| Evangelion receives a lot of hate for a variety of reasons. One first has to understand that within the context of the mecha genre, a lot of people did not find its subversive elements particularly fascinating, especially if you consider a number of shows that came before and after (Ideon and RahXephon) that appealed in different ways that did not try to force certain things down the throat in the way Evangelion does. Secondly, I think the religious symbolism turns a lot of people off to the show. This is understandable, but I think people often get way too caught up in criticizing Evangelion's useless religious symbolism when that is hardly the sticking point of the show. I will grant a lot of people get incredibly deep into the lore of Evangelion, and perhaps criticism in that aspect may be warranted. One thing to note is that I think for criticism to work, the criticism has to align with the purpose of what is being criticized. In this instance, scrutinizing the symbolism in Evangelion and trying to say that other shows do "Christian symbolism" better (whatever that means) seems a bit like missing the point. But anyway. Third, I think the characters can be a great turnoff to a lot of people who were expecting a character that grows in the way that we expect him to. In many ways, Evangelion turns the "Hero of a Thousand Faces" Monomyth out the window. Normally in these types of stories where a young man is suddenly thrust into a greater than him story where he suddenly becomes the central figure, there is a period where the character denies his responsibility before taking up the mantle and becoming a man. There is a coming of age aspect to it as well. In Evangelion, that simply does not exist. Shinji hardly takes up the mantle of responsibility, and even sacrifices the lives of his presumed friends by not doing so (this is especially the case in End of Evangelion). He is rightfully called a coward, and I think people do not care enough about the complex psychological elements of Evangelion to care if they are going to have to put up with Shinji. There are a lot of other criticisms ranging from the ending of the show to End of Evangelion, and more. All in all, I think the reasons for people disliking Evangelion are vast. I love Evangelion. It happens to be one of my favorite anime, but I will not shy away from the fact that is deeply controversial on multiple levels. |
Xykko said: Do you really believe that? Hideaki Anno downplays everything he does. There's so much religious symbolism that fits together, if he just wanted to put it there to look cool, he wouldn't have to put in the research that he did. hell even anno said the religious imagery is just for the background, it has no deep symbolic meaning to the series. people dislike it becuase they relate to shinji and because the last 2 episodes were confusing af CondemneDio said: Lol, damn. Why's it so boring to you?It's boring as fuck. I still have not finished it, and I started watching it almost a year ago. |
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| -The original ending is actually terrible. -Even before the ending the show ran into some major budget problems there they needed to use a single frame for several minutes. -Shinji is no where near as compelling as a character as Asuka. She really should have been the lead. |
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Yumadu-nii said: CondemneDio said: Lol, damn. Why's it so boring to you?It's boring as fuck. I still have not finished it, and I started watching it almost a year ago. I dunno :D It's just that getting through a single episode is such a chore. I have a tendency to dislike older anime though. I have some kind of an unintentional bias towards old anime. |
Tarextherex said: ^I am retarded and didn't get it, so obviously i didn't care much for itDumb people on mal don't understand it a bunch of masterpieces are rated low af |
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