| This section seemed the only one appropriate for meta-discussion so I'm writing this here. I don't use MAL much, but sometimes I visit the forum, especially the "Anime & Manga" section(s). Every time I do I notice how mean and aggressive people are in stating their opinions. It's either offending someone, criticizing their taste with harsh words, or stating that X is bad without justifying at all. I'm used to such behaviours, internet is a place where you can freely write what you want after all, what I am not used to is the amount of such behaviours, that is ridiculously high in the MAL forum. I've taken part into many online communities, but MAL's is without any doubt the worst of them at having a respectful discussion. This makes staying difficult, especially for those who are interested in keeping the discussion civilized. What do you think about it? I don't know what are the exact means used to oppose this behaviour (the "report" button perhaps?), but I think it is clear that they are not effective, at least in the Anime & Manga section(s). To be honest I don't really have a suggestion, apart from adding an upvote/downvote button and automatically hiding a comment if it has received more than X dislikes. But I don't know if this would really work, especially if people started downvoting constructive criticism only because they disagree with it. However this works fine at least on reddit, so I thought it was worth mentioning. |
| I think usually it's people who are dissatisfied with their life that are the most aggressive on the internet. They have low self-esteem so they come on the internet and try to prove to themselves that they are worth something. By attacking everyone else's tastes and stating their opinions as indisputable facts they attempt to gain some confidence. Now, as to why MAL seems to be worse in this aspect than other communities... Well, the aforementioned people also tend to be hardcore escapists. And anime is very attractive to escapists due to its often childish nature, idealised characters, stories about wonderful friendship that seems unlikely in real life, etc. That's why anime communities attract more aggressive people than other communities. Well, that's just my theory. If you're looking for intelligent and civilised discussions, you might want to look elsewhere. From my experience, it seems that most people come to internet forums to state their opinions rather than to listen to others' opinions, exchange ideas and so on. IMO it's much better to discuss anime & manga in one-on-one conversations, especially with your friends who won't insult you and are genuinely interested in hearing your thoughts. |
kuchitsuJan 20, 2016 6:25 AM
| For your suggestion I wouldn't mind adding an upvote/downvote. But I don't really think hiding it after receiving many down-votes is all that great. I don't want to speculate about the aggressive part of your post. Since I can Handle MAL just fine. Perhaps I'm immune to harsh words which is not always good. Also I don't give into social pressure and am pretty good with self awareness. I encourage everyone to keep working on their own self awareness. |
 Behold of my awesomeness~ controversial and/or sensitive topics likely devolve into the same repetitive, derogatory, abusive, and harassing comments can no longer be posted. But my feels. |
| Tons of stuff that would be wiped on other forums seems to get okayed here. Moderators seem pretty laid back so possibly people take advantage of that? It is strange though how some online places build up a reputation (and energy/ atmosphere perhaps?) for civility and decorum (or lack of such) and people behave accordingly. An example would be that noone in their right mind would ever post porn on youtube. |
000000000000 said: which is why people who don't spend much time inside never get pissed easily on forums, chat rooms etc, because they don't really take it seriously Exactly. If you spend a lot of time outside working, enjoying your hobbies, hanging out with your friends and generally living a fulfilling life, there is no way some internet flamewar will offend you. You will be like "who the hell are these virgins and what are they doing here?". doki-doki said: An example would be that noone in their right mind would ever post porn on youtube. I've seen people expose their penis on YouTube at least three times. :D Ofc none of these videos stayed up for more than about a hour but still, some vloggers actually do that. The Youtube Wrestling Community is full of, uh, interesting people lol. |
| The anime/manga boards here can be a little rough around the edges. But you're also probably taking a lot of blatant sarcasm, playful trolling and circlejerking at face value. There's some pretty intelligent people who post there. |
| Agree with my opinion or prepare for nasty messages! |
| The only way to get around this is to simply like and rate anime exactly as I do. |
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| I think the best thing for you to do if you'd like to enjoy yourself a little more is to ignore folks who are aggressive even if they try to speak to you directly and seek out users you see exhibit "civil" behavior. Then, if you feel like it, make a club and invite all those people. I do want to note that a lot of the folks on these boards are just joking around or at least half-joking. Everything's meant to be taken with a grain of salt. |
| Pretty sure the site's just full of /a/nons. |
| This love for Hirasawa Yui consumes me, washing over my dirty weeaboo body with a cleansing warmth that allows me to reach greater heights. It inspires me to be a better man; not the man they deserve, but the man she deserves. Yui, I love you. With everything I have. You are my one, my only. Mai waifu. |
| Online sarcasm, trolling, and over-the-top, playful convos are common habits of people used to forums |
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| Ignore AD, it's filled with trolls for the most part so not worth going there. Can't say much about the other subforums, but the forum games section is atleast nice. |
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| TO MUCH SUGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR MB?:p btw. u placed topic in wrong section USER RAGE ONEONEONEOENEONEOENEOENEONE! @Squirtroll +1 bro |
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| Because of all the new changes and Mods my friend. The 30 character rule pissed of almost every regular MAL-ers . And recently , Some mods are being too aggressive with all the deleting and banning. This is making many users angry so they're just showing middle finger to MAL with those comments. Bear with it my friend. Nothing you can do until MAL and the regular users makes peace comes to a conclusion. |
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| Apparently you've never been to narutoforums.com... |
Rasco said: I don't want to speculate about the aggressive part of your post. Since I can Handle MAL just fine. Perhaps I'm immune to harsh words which is not always good. Also I don't give into social pressure and am pretty good with self awareness. I encourage everyone to keep working on their own self awareness. To answer you and other people who assumed I'm just another sensitive user- I am not. It just annoys me that when I see an interesting discussion I can't add my opinion or read others' because it is full of flame and people being childish. Grudge said: But my question is, what the point in creating such threads? “MAL’s community is the worst community.” “MAL is so cruel.” “No one cares about me on MAL.” Life is cruel and people are cruel as well. Just ignore such individuals and report their messages. (Thankfully, we have more than enough forum moderators now.) I can't ignore it if their flame posts prevent me from reading others' opinions and taking part into the discussion. Anyway, I think the point in creating this thread was obvious but I will explain: I was hoping someone had ideas to make moderation more effective. I still think the upvote/downvote option is not that bad, perhaps without hiding the comment as user Rasco suggested. |
| I'll admit it's how you say sometimes. Best solution I can come up with at present is to ignore those boards and join a friendly club. Discuss anime in the club and have only 'mature' boards unignored from the main forums. I'm not one for the upvotes/downvotes system. If anything, it'll just ceate a bigger discord amongst members~ I'm no pro at giving examples but I hope this gives you a better understanding of what I mean: "I just stated my opinion saying Tokyo Ghoul was good because xyz and my comment was downvoted 10,000 times, yet someone else said it's s*** and nothing more yet they got 10,000 upvotes"... |
ManaJan 21, 2016 8:21 AM
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| I'm not against your idea. The rules may need to be a bit more strict. Though the problem is the majority of the MAL users would be banned. |
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| Not only aggressive, but also inpolite.. Seriously i don't why. Once, someone isulted me for no reason...weird stuff ._. |
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| cant solve anything with these up/down buttons.. just look at facebook most people already forgot that they can like something without sharing it there. i seriously doubt that people who are rude daily cares about someone down voting their post.. |
| I agree with this. I've also noticed that their a lot of aggressive comments, it isn't so worse as it was on animetake. But, it is really annoying, if you're furious about something, please don't let it out on the forums. I would suggest a system with reputation power. If you like a comment then you can give that person +1 rep, with this you can build up a rep power meter. How more rep someone has, how better that persons reputation. However, their is no option to give -1 rep, because this would be abused. |
chomio said: I would suggest a system with reputation power. If you like a comment then you can give that person +1 rep, with this you can build up a rep power meter. How more rep someone has, how better that persons reputation. However, their is no option to give -1 rep, because this would be abused. That can easily be abused too unfortunately :( Alt accounts giving a person +rep or negative people supporting negative comments and spams. |
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Mika said: chomio said: I would suggest a system with reputation power. If you like a comment then you can give that person +1 rep, with this you can build up a rep power meter. How more rep someone has, how better that persons reputation. However, their is no option to give -1 rep, because this would be abused. That can easily be abused too unfortunately :( Alt accounts giving a person +rep or negative people supporting negative comments and spams. Indeed, maybe with adding a delay would solve this, in other words you need to be a member for at least 50 days before you can give rep. The negative people will receive a ban, before they do a rep on a negative comment. Well, it doesn't hurt to try this. |
chomio said: I would suggest a system with reputation power. If you like a comment then you can give that person +1 rep, with this you can build up a rep power meter. How more rep someone has, how better that persons reputation. However, their is no option to give -1 rep, because this would be abused. Although people would be more motivated to leave constructive comments, trolls and the like would still be able to write anything they want, clogging threads. That's why I suggested adding an option that hides a comment after X dislikes. But perhaps this is too big of a change, so we could go with your idea first and see if it works. If it works we could change it later into an upvote/downvote, and the votes you get contribute to your reputation. |
orion_gospel said: Not only aggressive, but also inpolite.. Seriously i don't why. Once, someone isulted me for no reason...weird stuff ._. shut up |
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Clamor said: orion_gospel said: Not only aggressive, but also inpolite.. Seriously i don't why. Once, someone isulted me for no reason...weird stuff ._. shut up |
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| If you find a better community forum to do with anime & manga, let me know |
| Then go back to reddit. |
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PolarKoala said: Were you referring to me? I was actually pointing out how terrible reddit is for actual discussion since posts with unpopular opinions can literally be made unviewable unless you scroll for ages. I was saying that I think MAL is better in terms of free speech since no one can erase your opinion. To OP but seeing how reddit is, it's better for OP to just keep using the ignore feature. |
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PolarKoala said: MrAwesome2016 said: Then go back to reddit. Were you referring to me? I was actually pointing out how terrible reddit is for actual discussion since posts with unpopular opinions can literally be made unviewable unless you scroll for ages. I was saying that I think MAL is better in terms of free speech since no one can erase your opinion. I often take part into the /r/Anime community and I can assure you as long as you justify your opinion it is very unlikely for it to be downvoted to erasure. reddit's format values content, which is however a double-edged sword because while it prevents flame it also hides unpopular (or badly-phrased) opinions. So I don't know how it would work here. |
PolarKoala said: Notification said: So Reddit? I don't know about this suggestion. MAL is imperfect but the thing about reddit is that your comment can literally be erased (by being downvoted a bunch) if it doesn't agree with the majority of the people. If anything MAL is more conductive to free speech than reddit is. I rarely browse reddit and didn't know about their policy. I don't like that at all, it would be way too easy to manipulate opinion and hide comments highlighting sensitive issues. I would imagine that there is practically no discussion on reddit now of Human rights abuses like Palestine, what with the 'Army of Bloggers' - paid shills that defend criminal governments (see the hasbara unit, mostly students getting paid by the word) I guess the only way to keep things as free as possible on MAL and elsewher entails alowing trolls to troll. It becomes the duty then, of the community to 'self-police' themselves, easier with a new community, more difficult in longstanding ones like MAL, where there may be an existing cutlure lacking in decorum. My question though, in regards to MAL would be: How did the anime community become so boorish in the first place? It can't just be the mix of ages as other forums have immature people who actually seem to post within the bounds of civility and respect. If I were 'King of the mods' (admin boss) I think I would try to instigate a method of sussing out snidey bastards here, the sickos too - pretty easy as the innuendo is scarcely hidden in their posts, decent members could be encouraged to bring these snidey bastards to the attention of the mod team via the report button. I would then discuss the dodgy members at a moderator meeting and hold votes to ban the fuckers. MAL is a busy place, it could easily afford to lose a few perverts and blockheads, banning them might even make the place busier, as decent people would feel more comfortable here. that obviously would make the site more lucrative to advertisers etc. thats my tuppenceworth :D |
| ...because they are passionate. /thread Why is everyone such wimps? |
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| FUCK YOU! WERE NOT AGGRESSIVE Yeah there really are many people like that on MAL who does nothing but trash talk they really need a life. |
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leNerd said: ybnrmalatall said: ...because they are passionate. /thread Why is everyone such wimps? You can be passionate without being aggresive And it doesnt make you a whimp if you would prefer a respectful conversation You're only a whimp if you cant handle the people that think otherwise I can handle anything you throw at me. Respectful is boring. The internet doesn't need you fools. Internet is anarchy. DeathBorne said: FUCK YOU! WERE NOT AGGRESSIVE Yeah there really are many people like that on MAL who does nothing but trash talk they really need a life. or they have a life and are just bored at kissing ass all the time in real life. Because real life IS boring most of the time. |
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| I highly doubt stricter rules are going to change anything I mean Casual Discussion actually got worse because of rule 6 |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
PolarKoala said: You had me until the whole 'sussing out snidey bastards and sickos'. If by sickos, you mean perverts, then banning them would be counter-productive. It honestly makes no sense. So much anime is dedicated to fanservice, some of the most popular ones... 'Perverts' are obviously a majority, and the fact that you take such issue with it is odd. I've seen some pretty dodgy 'jokes' and innuendo on here referencing children in a sexual manner – and I mean children – i.e. pre-teens. I think the forum could do without those types to be honest. I know there is probably a market for anime catering to those types, but I thought MAL was more mainstream – I.e. even regular 'normal' hentai being off limits, I expected sexualised content on MAL to be mainly just the late night comedy shows like Shimoneta and Monster Musume etc. PolarKoala said: Sorry to post again, but I had another thought worth mentioning: a policy like that would make us like reddit, weeding out people or thoughts that some find disgusting or disagree with. Take a moment to consider that you sound awfully pro-censorship your self... I do take your point here, it's a tricky one, in the truest sense of the ideal of free speech, even paedophiles should actually be allowed a voice. This is the problem we face, censorship or free speech – and once censorship becomes the norm it can be so easily abused to sideline sensitive or fringe issues that go against the mainstream, for example alternative political ideals and theories could be all to easily 'memory-holed' I think my post in this thread was typical of my recent knee-jerk reactions to stuff that I didn't approve of here. I'm trying to dial that back a bit, but it's difficult as I'm not so used to it – maybe others here who are familiar with more extreme places (deepweb etc) are more at ease with creepy types posting among the regular cool decent dudes. and I do actually think the majority of MAL users are pretty cool, I dunno, even some of the dudes who post nasty stuff could be just doing it for lulz or following some imagined zeitgeist or something. Going back to the question I posited above "just why did the anime scene become so messed up in the first place?" - Could it be because in the west we take ALL anime as a job lot, whearas in Japan, anime is just another medium, like film, so normal / TV anime wouldn't really be lumped in with hentai per se? |
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