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Jan 13, 2016 1:24 AM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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More of their past shown this episode. And Gin got Takasugi real good at the beginning there, but man those fists to Gin. Ouch. Gin's decision to protect the others instead of their master, leading to Gin beheading him Q_Q. The feels.

Fuck Oboro as well. I never liked him as an antagonist one bit.

Good episode. 3 chapters covered (520). Final episode of this arc next week since there's only 4 chapters left.
TyrelJan 13, 2016 1:28 AM
Jan 13, 2016 1:24 AM
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That OP visuals tho, random stuffs from their encounter throughout the series.
Here it is, the big revelation.
So did anyone get teary or did everyone get teary?
By far the best episode Gintama had!
I remember reading this on the manga so I thought I was ready for the anime version..... I was dead wrong.
Jan 13, 2016 1:26 AM
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The Visuals for the OP changed. Mainly showed clips from the past arc or Gintoki vs. Takasugi. Katsura, Takasugi and Gintoki really cared about Shouyou-sensei when they were children. Gintoki's punch at Takasugi was great. All those epic lines they say! More epic fighting between Gintoki and Takasugi. Also we get to know why Takasugi hates Gintoki so much! Gintoki had to kill Shouyou-sensei to keep Takasugi and his friends alive T_T. The last thing Takasugi's left eye saw... was Gintoki crying T_T. OBORO! That Ending though O.O. 3 Chapters adapted this time. Also best Gintama episode yet by a mile.

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5/5
GoldenDevilGamerJan 13, 2016 3:07 PM
Jan 13, 2016 1:26 AM
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SansrivaaL said:
I remember reading this on the manga so I thought I was ready for the anime version..... I was dead wrong.
I love seeing stuff like this animated. It feels way more emotional since you can hear the voices clearly.
Jan 13, 2016 1:31 AM
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Arigatou. I haven't cried this bad since last year when I read ch520. No one can understand Gintoki's pain being the one wielding the sword. IT FKN HURRRTTS
Jan 13, 2016 1:33 AM
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Tyrel said:
SansrivaaL said:
I remember reading this on the manga so I thought I was ready for the anime version..... I was dead wrong.
I love seeing stuff like this animated. It feels way more emotional since you can hear the voices clearly.
Couldn't agree more, especially since Gintama has a talented cast of seiyuu. Koyasu Takehito was fantastic as Takasugi
Jan 13, 2016 1:34 AM
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And this is why Takasugi is my favorite antagonist of all time.....100/10 episode.

Also does anyone think Gintoki could be considered an antagonist as well? His choice directly caused sooo many issues for the Joui 4 and the world in general (That latter part will be explained in the FS arc). And he reveals something about that choice in later arcs.
treedudeJan 13, 2016 1:38 AM
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Tyrel said:
SansrivaaL said:
I remember reading this on the manga so I thought I was ready for the anime version..... I was dead wrong.
I love seeing stuff like this animated. It feels way more emotional since you can hear the voices clearly.

Props to both Sugita san and Takehito san.
BNP's really pushing their budget, those punches had amazing motions.
Jan 13, 2016 1:38 AM
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treedude said:
And this is why Takasugi is my favorite antagonist of all time.....100/10 episode.

Also does anyone think Gintoki could be considered an antagonist as well? His choice directly caused sooo many issues for the Joui 4 and the world in general (That latter part will be explained in the FS arc).
I don't think so. Picking between two people: Friends + Master, and choosing one over the other... I wouldn't really put that in the category of an antagonist. Maybe if you think of it as Takasugi's side, he may feel that, especially from this episode we just saw.
Jan 13, 2016 1:52 AM
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Tyrel said:
treedude said:
And this is why Takasugi is my favorite antagonist of all time.....100/10 episode.

Also does anyone think Gintoki could be considered an antagonist as well? His choice directly caused sooo many issues for the Joui 4 and the world in general (That latter part will be explained in the FS arc).
I don't think so. Picking between two people: Friends + Master, and choosing one over the other... I wouldn't really put that in the category of an antagonist. Maybe if you think of it as Takasugi's side, he may feel that, especially from this episode we just saw.


Well i can't say something that kinda spoils people a little.

I'll just say that Gintoki could have chosen something else other than those two options. He was weak in the past. So while he may not be villainous in his actions, i think you could call him an antagonist (someone is in direct opposition to others - usually the main protagonist)......or maybe not...or maybe...idk i'm still mulling it over aha
Jan 13, 2016 1:54 AM
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I may be accused of being a fanboy but I don't care, I honestly believe that this is the best anime episode that I have ever seen. At least it's up there with clannad after story 18 and steins;gate 23 imo.
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Shit is crazy, Oboro the GOAT of the series, def my fav character of Gintama.
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Jan 13, 2016 1:56 AM

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Here it is guys, the best Gintama episode of all time and maybe even one of the best episodes in all of anime. Obviously not as shocking for those who have already read the manga, but even stronger when it comes to breaking your emotions in my opinion.

What Katsura said at around episode 60 now makes sense.
"But that guy, he endured it. The one who should be hating this world the most, endured it!"

Even though I knew what was coming, I was still not ready.
Jan 13, 2016 1:59 AM
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Damn Oboro said I put duds in comas, and he put Takasugi in a coma he still ain't woke up in the manga.

Shit is crazy, Oboro the GOAT of the series, def my fav character of Gintama.


I feel like the Gintama fandom should nickname Oboro the 'cockroach', because that bastard never dies (i read the manga and i know why, but still) aha
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treedude said:
Tyrel said:
I don't think so. Picking between two people: Friends + Master, and choosing one over the other... I wouldn't really put that in the category of an antagonist. Maybe if you think of it as Takasugi's side, he may feel that, especially from this episode we just saw.


Well i can't say something that kinda spoils people a little.

I'll just say that Gintoki could have chosen something else other than those two options. He was weak in the past. So while he may not be villainous in his actions, i think you could call him an antagonist (someone is in direct opposition to others - usually the main protagonist)......or maybe not...or maybe...idk i'm still mulling it over aha
I know what you mean :P. I read the manga.
Jan 13, 2016 2:04 AM

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treedude said:
Ramkec said:
Damn Oboro said I put duds in comas, and he put Takasugi in a coma he still ain't woke up in the manga.

Shit is crazy, Oboro the GOAT of the series, def my fav character of Gintama.


I feel like the Gintama fandom should nickname Oboro the 'cockroach', because that bastard never dies (i read the manga and i know why, but still) aha


True lmao he just won't stay down, and keeps screwing with Gin and others, that's why he's so great.

One of the few Shounen villains I really like.
Jan 13, 2016 4:04 AM
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This stuff wrecked me in the manga and I thought I was ready, but I guess not T__T
Jan 13, 2016 4:08 AM

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Please tell me..... that what just happened didn't happen!!!! I'm going to die....
Jan 13, 2016 4:08 AM
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Tyrel said:
treedude said:


Well i can't say something that kinda spoils people a little.

I'll just say that Gintoki could have chosen something else other than those two options. He was weak in the past. So while he may not be villainous in his actions, i think you could call him an antagonist (someone is in direct opposition to others - usually the main protagonist)......or maybe not...or maybe...idk i'm still mulling it over aha
I know what you mean :P. I read the manga.


Oh btw, i forgot to say. They only covered two chapters, not three like you said.
Jan 13, 2016 4:09 AM

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Holy damn! Most intense shit I've ever seen. That was absolutely amazing. Hell, amazing doesn't even cut it. I'm tearing up from epicness and I can't breath well right now.

Gin vs Takasugi is definitely now up there in my top5 best battles ever. So much meaning behind it and the animation was great (not the best but great by Gintama standards). Also all dat friggin BLOOD!! AND F***N HAX LAKE TOYA LOL

The way they showed Gin chopping Shoyo's head off then the scene after it Takasugi punching the hell out of Gin's face was so damn epic!! U could feel the weight behind every friggin punch! Didn't expect the 247-246 O_o

The scene with the last face Takasugi ever show with his eye being Gin's tearing up face was epic and so much feelz!!

Loved Gin and the 3 bad boys scenes in the past.

Dem Shoyo eyes while threatening the samurai was epic too.

And ofc friggin OBORO!!!
Jan 13, 2016 4:14 AM

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treedude said:
Tyrel said:
I know what you mean :P. I read the manga.


Oh btw, i forgot to say. They only covered two chapters, not three like you said.
They covered 518, 519, and 520. That's 3.
Jan 13, 2016 4:15 AM

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11/10 isn't even enough for this episode. Holy shit. I haven't read the manga so the beheading scene caught me by total surprise and literally had my shout at my tv at 4am in the morning..
Jan 13, 2016 4:16 AM

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For Gintoki to be the one to behead him.... That is so brutal, poor him.

How depressing that Takasugi lost his eye like that too.
Jan 13, 2016 4:17 AM
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Tyrel said:
treedude said:


Oh btw, i forgot to say. They only covered two chapters, not three like you said.
They covered 518, 519, and 520. That's 3.


Oh oops, i may have a faulty memory. Just checked again. Sorry.
Jan 13, 2016 4:27 AM

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I hate it when I already read the manga for so many times and still struggle though this ep
and those GOAT XD
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Jan 13, 2016 4:34 AM

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This is so intense i can't wait for a week for the next ep I'll explode
I wanted to see some Kagura vs Kamui action
Jan 13, 2016 4:35 AM
*hug noises*

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Honestly these aren't really my type of episodes so I can't feel that excited about it, but I'll at least admit that the directing is pretty on-point
Jan 13, 2016 4:44 AM

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Seeing takasugi in a brand new light now. finally understanding his side. two many mixed feeling to even explain what is actually going on
Jan 13, 2016 4:47 AM

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tbh I don't like Takasugi, he's too stubborn, they wouldn't even in this mess if he realised it earlier
I know the choice Gin make wasn't the best but in the time what more can he did (even Shouyo didn't do anything which I find really piss since he was so strong), he made himself an antagonist and carried all the sins
and of course Oboro what a good time!
Jan 13, 2016 4:52 AM

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I shall remember this episode for the rest of my life.
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Jan 13, 2016 4:53 AM

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The only thing I can say about Gintama is that IT IS GODLY. This episode is proof of why it is the only manga/anime that can change drastically from comedy to something brutal. Oboro that fuck, such a coward, if he had faced Takasugi before his fight with Gintoki, he would've been wrecked. PIECE OF SHIT.
Jan 13, 2016 5:03 AM

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I don't read the manga and don't even want to come to Episode Discussion because of spoilers but damn, this was the best anime episode I have ever seen.
Jan 13, 2016 5:08 AM

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Best ep of the year nothing can get above it. GG
Jan 13, 2016 5:09 AM

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Loved it!!!! This is why I love Gintama so much!

Gintama/5
Jan 13, 2016 5:11 AM
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One of the best episodes of any anime I've ever seen. 5/5 from the first second to the last.
Jan 13, 2016 5:16 AM

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I cried, I literally cried so hard and my brother was there beside me and I didn't even care I just cried. Definitely the best ep of an anime I've ever seen, I'm so overwhelmed with feelings ohmygod T_T
Jan 13, 2016 5:17 AM

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Strait 5/7. Perfect score.
Jan 13, 2016 5:26 AM

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i don't read the manga no spoiler plz

this ep just wow amazing godlike

best flashback

fucking oboro just come in a really bad timing who can save them kamui even he is injured from okita mabye katsura i don't know
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Jan 13, 2016 5:35 AM

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Takasugi is basically Guts lol
Anyways, I wasn't expecting Gin having to kill Shoyo, that was just wow. What's up with the DBZ effects during the fight, though?
5 main aspects I base my ratings on:
1. Did DramaEnthusiast make a thread about it?
2. Is it better than Breaking Bad?
3. Did MellowJello recommend the shit out of it?
4. Has it caused a (very entertaining) shitstorm on MAL?
5. Is it actually good?

Scratch the fifth point, it's not very relevant...
Jan 13, 2016 5:41 AM

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Too much Feels ..Tears just fell without even noticing
Jan 13, 2016 5:50 AM

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The feels!

I wonder if they gonna change the clip in the OP each episode, that takes a lot of time.
Jan 13, 2016 5:55 AM

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This episode was godlike! Wow!

Flashbacks were amazing the fist fights were amazing and that cliffhanger was infuriating! It's going to be tough waiting another week.

New opening has different reused footage this time. Ok.

11/10 episode. Need to go watch this shit again!
Jan 13, 2016 6:06 AM

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Seriously? I thought Shinsuke was a Bad Guy until they've showed this Ep, demn Gintoki, you've made your self a bad guy in order to protect your friends[and it's deeper than that] and this arc is freaking intense, even this episode is more focused on the past, it was pretty well done that it was connected to the present ... still deserves the top ratings in MAL
Jan 13, 2016 6:07 AM

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Oh crap.

I had read the manga, but I was still not ready for this. This was incredible. Those feel. Again. Dammit.

Tomokazu and Takehito did AMAZING jobs. Seriously, those screams, Takasugi's "please", everything they said and screamed at each. So damn painfull. Gintama seriously has great voice actors.
Jan 13, 2016 6:17 AM
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Katsurap-da-yo said:
tbh I don't like Takasugi, he's too stubborn, they wouldn't even in this mess if he realised it earlier
I know the choice Gin make wasn't the best but in the time what more can he did (even Shouyo didn't do anything which I find really piss since he was so strong), he made himself an antagonist and carried all the sins
and of course Oboro what a good time!
Yea I don't like Takasugi either. He had decided to destroy everything (why everything?) and kill his comrades just because Gintoki didn't have a choice - as if he was happy to chop their sensei's head off, in fact Gintoki had felt way much pain than Takasugi and he should have been thankful to Gintoki for preferring to save his comrades' (including himself ofc) lives. The problem is that Takasugi was too stubborn to understand Gintoki's pain.
Jan 13, 2016 6:21 AM

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This is it... the magnum opus of Shonen.

Best episode in any medium I have watched/10.
Jan 13, 2016 6:22 AM

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this episode is the only reason why i follow this arc
good enough. 9/10 the beheading scene.
Jan 13, 2016 6:22 AM

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Gintoki cried.. Still cant get over with it..

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Even though I knew what was coming, I was still not ready.
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Jan 13, 2016 6:35 AM

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Katsurap-da-yo said:
tbh I don't like Takasugi, he's too stubborn, they wouldn't even in this mess if he realised it earlier
I know the choice Gin make wasn't the best but in the time what more can he did (even Shouyo didn't do anything which I find really piss since he was so strong), he made himself an antagonist and carried all the sins
and of course Oboro what a good time!
Yea I don't like Takasugi either. He had decided to destroy everything (why everything?) and kill his comrades just because Gintoki didn't have a choice - as if he was happy to chop their sensei's head off, in fact Gintoki had felt way much pain than Takasugi and he should have been thankful to Gintoki for preferring to save his comrades' (including himself ofc) lives. The problem is that Takasugi was too stubborn to understand Gintoki's pain.


true, a most badass character turned out to be a immature stubborn guy, kind of remind me of sasuke
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