| Ruined? I think that's a little strong. Maybe giving a bad first impression, but that's mostly it. The problem is that "sex sells" isn't something limited to anime. Shoot at me any popular TV series that doesn't have an element of something R-rated. Just look at some of the popular TV shows, breaking bad, house of cards. They have r-rated moments. But that doesn't make it a bad show. So why would fanservice necessarily take anything away from anime, if not add something to it? The problem is when you start judging the industry by crap that relies on it. That would be the equivalent of saying true blood ruins the US TV industry. One shitty series does not represent the entire industry. |
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Mint said: Pretty much this.Ruined? I think that's a little strong. Maybe giving a bad first impression, but that's mostly it. The problem is that "sex sells" isn't something limited to anime. Shoot at me any popular TV series that doesn't have an element of something R-rated. Just look at some of the popular TV shows, breaking bad, house of cards. They have r-rated moments. But that doesn't make it a bad show. So why would fanservice necessarily take anything away from anime, if not add something to it? The problem is when you start judging the industry by crap that relies on it. That would be the equivalent of saying true blood ruins the US TV industry. One shitty series does not represent the entire industry. I think one of the other main issues is that audiences outside of Japan have some kind of stigma against animation that isn't for kids or for comedy. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense when you get down to it though. I mean, think about pretty much every American stoner comedy (Jonah Hill, Seth Rogen, their kinds of movies) or things like Friends With Benefits. For whatever reason, it's okay to see real people acting out sexual scenes or have actual boobs on screen because "they're just acting", but then when it comes to animation it's gross because "someone had to draw it". I just don't get why it should be any weirder that someone had to draw something when an actor can do pretty much the exact same thing without backlash. |
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| What exactly are we defining as fan service? Panty shots, unnecessary boob jiggles, or what? Because if it's just that, well, I'd prefer real plot over a cock tease instead imo. And if you need fanservice, at least do at as well as Shaft. But no, it's not killing anime. That just because the industry is lazy and only adapts everything now days. |
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 In short no it's always been there so it is in fact part of the identity to begin with. |
| It depends on how much the show uses it,and it shows how much Anime has changed.They attract more people with it.And they earn money from it |
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GamerDLM said: In short no it's always been there so it is in fact part of the identity to begin with. Tezuka drawing sexy naked characters isnt surprising considering 1001 nights and Cleopatra. |
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| I don't mind subtle fanservice like the fan service for the girls... It is the one for boys, the one I don't like since it is not subtle at all. |
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| r u talking abouti ruining power? You may be partially right with ecchi & I think simple plot animes, shitty dialogues & non action 'Action' animes do it too. Reason of ruinnin the Anime industry's identity is recless putting JUST anything what they got to their animes. Piromysl said: btw: this one wasn't that bad, u should try more animes like that - I'm sure u will score many of 1 & u will higher ur HotD score.After I watched this abomination... Highschool of the Dead, I really started to miss those times, when anime wasn't soaked with fanservice. |
| Is it GreanPeace? I don't think so - whine to your parents or tell'em to buy sth for ur buttpain. Those ppl won't help you. .. ..  |
| I think the studios that adapt ecchi oriented stories can barely even produce other things of better quality . |
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| I don't particularly have a problem with fan service, it's more in the execution of it. My problem with fan service is that too often it happens (or seems to happen) with under-aged female characters, but is intended for the adult male demographic, which I find a bit disturbing, but who am I to judge what other people like. I also feel like in some cases it is misplaced and doesn't fit with what was going on in the scene. Other times I feel like the fanserive "scene" lasts a little too long. I'm more interested in what direction the story is going and how the characters are dealing with what is happening to them. Boob and butt shots are cool and all, but I'm not particularly interested in seeing it in the anime I watch. |
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| No, fanservice is a bonus lol. Doesn't ruin anime, makes it a bit more fun to watch. ;) |
EvilDragon16 said: I think the studios that adapt ecchi oriented stories can barely even produce other things of better quality . Instead of 'thinking', why not look up the facts instead? There have been plenty ecchi adaptations from studios of, according to you, better quality. -Retroalwayswins |
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| For me personally it just ruins the show, I don't know about the industry. |
Retroalwayswins said: EvilDragon16 said: I think the studios that adapt ecchi oriented stories can barely even produce other things of better quality . Instead of 'thinking', why not look up the facts instead? There have been plenty ecchi adaptations from studios of, according to you, better quality. -Retroalwayswins Okay then I'll rephrase that for you . I think that the studios which adapt generic harem stories which are known to have pointless fanservice only do so because they don't have something better to adapt or because they don't have the money . I can't 'look up the facts' because I don't really care and it's not like I'm holding it against them . I thought anyone would understand by looking at the content of this thread but I guess I wasn't clear . |
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| I think fanservice is good for anime, draws the perverts (like me) who can't find what they need in western animation. |
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Blue_Jeans said: For me personally it just ruins the show, I don't know about the industry. I agree. A lot of fanservice is can easily ruin a show. A good example of this is K: Return of Kings, the show has a lot going for it like a decent story and great animation but the needless fanservice just ruins it all. |
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| hasn't servicing the fans always been a part of the industry's identity? |
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Sapewloth said: hasn't servicing the fans always been a part of the industry's identity? Why yes it has always been a part in some form or another, in modern days it has become blatant and tasteless. -Retroalwayswins |
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Retroalwayswins said: that's also because the time they aired also changed. most tv series anime back days is aired in normal time. things like blatant fanservice is supposed to be ova. now, most anime aired late night which is lead to more specific audience. industries change. deal with it (not that i like it).Sapewloth said: hasn't servicing the fans always been a part of the industry's identity? Why yes it has always been a part in some form or another, in modern days it has become blatant and tasteless. -Retroalwayswins |
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Kuma said: Retroalwayswins said: that's also because the time they aired also changed. most tv series anime back days is aired in normal time. things like blatant fanservice is supposed to be ova. now, most anime aired late night which is lead to more specific audience. industries change. deal with it (not that i like it).Why yes it has always been a part in some form or another, in modern days it has become blatant and tasteless. -Retroalwayswins The time slot change came way back in the 90s, however the current state of fanservice only came to be at around 2006. -Retroalwayswins |
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| For me, it depends the anime and when fanservice is used. Overused fanservice definetely is terrible to watch. |
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Retroalwayswins said: uggh, no. there are ton fanservice shows back then too. the amount of late night anime with " IN YOUR FACE" fanservice is the only thing that booming. amount of fanservice in normal aired anime even less than before because cencorship is going tighter over the years. you will never see "boobs" episode again on show like pokemon. and no, amond fanservice always already high in late night anime back than. but amount of shows like that just less.Kuma said: The time slot change came way back in the 90s, however the current state of fanservice only came to be at around 2006.that's also because the time they aired also changed. most tv series anime back days is aired in normal time. things like blatant fanservice is supposed to be ova. now, most anime aired late night which is lead to more specific audience. industries change. deal with it (not that i like it). -Retroalwayswins |
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Kuma said: Retroalwayswins said: uggh, no. there are ton fanservice shows back then too. the amount of late night anime with " IN YOUR FACE" fanservice is the only thing that booming. amount of fanservice in normal aired anime even less than before because cencorship is going tighter over the years. you will never see "boobs" episode again on show like pokemon. and no, amond fanservice always already high in late night anime back than. but amount of shows like that just less.The time slot change came way back in the 90s, however the current state of fanservice only came to be at around 2006. -Retroalwayswins It's not about fanservice shows existing back then or not, even though the time slot already changed. It's about creators have the opportunity (time slot) and stopped caring for quality. That's why it became blatant & tasteless because of the fans demanding it and the industry (having to) catering them, the time slot is not responsible but the people behind it. Common sense. -Retroalwayswins |
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Retroalwayswins said: they are become like that because industry start to cater more certain target that has less risk. it's happened because more competition happened. you can't blame the industry, since they only do what the market want. blame the fans for this certain problem. also yes, it's not solely because time slot, but time slot give them more oportunity to show things like that. amount shows that don't have blatant fanservice and aired in normal time infact still same.Kuma said: uggh, no. there are ton fanservice shows back then too. the amount of late night anime with " IN YOUR FACE" fanservice is the only thing that booming. amount of fanservice in normal aired anime even less than before because cencorship is going tighter over the years. you will never see "boobs" episode again on show like pokemon. and no, amond fanservice always already high in late night anime back than. but amount of shows like that just less. It's not about fanservice shows existing back then or not, even though the time slot already changed. It's about creators have the opportunity (time slot) and stopped caring for quality. That's why it became blatant & tasteless because of the fans demanding it and the industry (having to) catering them, the time slot is not responsible but the people behind it. Common sense. -Retroalwayswins |
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| I dont mind FS but there are cases in which they overdo it like Soma, SAO, FT. |
| I don't care too much about it because I prefer not to watch fanservice (only) anime, or, ecchi. too much ~pantsu~ and enormous unrealistic tits, tsundere and silly stories. but we know the japanese ppl seem really into it and it weirds me out, given every season there's at least one bad anime like that. it sells in Japan, so maybe they're not to worried about it, but it does make anime somehow look bad, specially for foreigners. maybe a big cause people have prejudices towards anime because they aren't experienced and think everything may be like that. I prefer subtle fanservice or sensuality, not to have hentai-esque shit thrown on my face when I watch it. well to each their own, def not my cup of tea. |
neko_colaJan 4, 2016 4:30 PM
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neko_cola said: I don't care too much about it because I prefer not to watch fanservice (only) anime, or, ecchi. too much ~pantsu~ and enormous unrealistic tits, tsundere and silly stories. but we know the japanese ppl seem really into it and it weirds me out, given every season there's at least one bad anime like that. I prefer subtle fanservice or sensuality, not to have hentai-esque shit thrown on my face when I watch it. well to each their own, def not my cup of tea. Example of subtle fanservice? -Retroalwayswins |
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Retroalwayswins said: Example of subtle fanservice? -Retroalwayswins if I put it generally you might think of some titles? sceneries or actions between characters that are beautifully done and may imply desire or interest, seiyuu voices in some moments, touches and looks, dubious conversation, maybe darker tones. something that leaves the viewer to interpret. Idk, maybe it's because i'm a woman and I prefer something less obvious^^ (I'm def not using shoujo harem as an exemple though, so risk it off your list haha those things are also bad) |
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neko_cola said: Retroalwayswins said: Example of subtle fanservice? -Retroalwayswins if I put it generally you might think of some titles? sceneries or actions between characters that are beautifully done and may imply desire or interest, seiyuu voices in some moments, touches and looks, dubious conversation, maybe darker tones. something that leaves the viewer to interpret. Idk, maybe it's because i'm a woman and I prefer something less obvious^^ (I'm def not using shoujo harem as an exemple though, so risk it off your list haha those things are also bad) Would a scene like this from Yuasa's Mind Game count? -Retroalwayswins |
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| It's the same as everything else, sex sells, but shows BASED on entirely fanservice destroy Anime industry's identity (eg: DxD garbage or that love RU shit, srsly just go watch normal porn?). |
| Fan service in my opinion is usually trash . BUT , there are some series that I enjoyed so much that I would literally take what I could get (more content wise) and sadly that sometimes meant watching some shitty ass fan services OVAs . edit: So what I'm saying is it's a 70 30 hate/neutral feeling towards fan service :p |
savage_Jan 4, 2016 6:42 PM
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| What identity? Industries don't have identities. They aren't people. They are a collection of people here to make a couple bucks by selling us a product, in this case anime. And fanservice sells. Fanservice is there because it leads to -presumably- higher levels of profit than shows without it. Not quality, profit. And that's all that matters when you're part of an industry: The ability to keep making enough of a profit to keep producing your products. |
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| In the sense that people view anime as some weird shit? Sure. Fanservice is still good in some shows. |
| I shake my head whenever people try to claim that ecchi or fanservice oriented shows sell better, the data just doesn't support it in the slightest. |
| It doesn't sell better generally speaking, but that's what most people associate anime with. At least in North America... can't speak for other areas. |
| When I first started watching anime, I wanted to avoid fan service/ecchi because I thought it was really pointless (I still think it) and for losers lol. Now, just hitting 50 completed shows, I have come to just accept the fan service since its in like 90% of all anime. Elfen Lied was my 11th completed anime, and I was pretty shocked lmao, so I was kinda thrown into the fan service early on lmao |
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| The story doesn't "lose focus" just because they add fan service to a scene. The viewer is what loses focus. Probably because they are overly sensitive to it. The mature can handle skin in any situation without losing focus...unless they choose to let their focus go to that. To which, that is their right to do so, and likely is a sign that other desires are afoot. |
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Dark_Chaos said: TheBrainintheJar said: The most popular anime here include Fullmetal Alchemist, Sword Art Online, Attack on Titan, Psycho-Pass, and One Punch Man I feel sorry for anyone who assumes these things. That person comes off as hilariously ignorant. It's not too hard to find anime that don't fit these stereotypes. Besides, children's anime are often the best. Look at Digimon Tamers. I did not use the word "popular" anywhere in my post. The irony of someone calling me ignorant when they can't even read is hilarious XD Please learn to read, maybe then I'll consider taking you a little more seriously :P I did not call you ignorant. I called the people who stereotype anime as ignorant. CherryLover said: TheBrainintheJar said: Besides, children's anime are often the best. Look at Digimon Tamers. That's just an opinion. I feel sorry for anyone who assumes these things. That person comes off as hilariously ignorant. It's not too hard to find anime that don't fit these stereotypes. Oh really? More like it's harder to find anime that don't fit these stereotypes. Sword Art Online and One Punch Man from the biased list you provided contain blatant fanservice. If you expanded that list to include the top 100, you'll see the whole picture. "That's just an opinion" isn't an argument. OPM doesn't contain ecchi fanservice and while SAO flirts with Harem, it doesn't go there completely. It's more of a straight romance. Other popular anime that don't fit the stereotypes include Mushishi, Ping Pong, Psycho-Pass, Tatami Galaxy, Future Diary (shitty marketing aside). |
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| It absolutely has. Every non viewer I've mentioned it to immediately brings up hentai. Cartoons + fan service = pervert to most people. It's pretty hypocritical when you consider the popularity of shows like Orange is the New Black and Game of Thrones, but I can't say I'm surprised. |
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Retroalwayswins said: merryfistmas said: <br />It absolutely has. Every non viewer I've mentioned it to immediately brings up hentai. Cartoons + fan service = pervert to most people. It's pretty hypocritical when you consider the popularity of shows like Orange is the New Black and Game of Thrones, but I can't say I'm surprised. Idk but maybe normies think its weird lolis being naked and stuff while they accept sexuality of real characters.<br /> <br /> -Retroalwayswins Loli's aren't the only characters used for fan service, |
merryfistmasJan 5, 2016 12:06 AM
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merryfistmas said: It absolutely has. Every non viewer I've mentioned it to immediately brings up hentai. Cartoons + fan service = pervert to most people. It's pretty hypocritical when you consider the popularity of shows like Orange is the New Black and Game of Thrones, but I can't say I'm surprised. Give me anime's sexuality over the Western one any day. At least it's more varied and femininity expresses itself in more ways than the Bad Ass. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Eh, anime fan service tends to be annoying or cringeworthy, but I'd definitely take well done anime fan service over well done live action fan service.merryfistmas said: <br />It absolutely has. Every non viewer I've mentioned it to immediately brings up hentai. Cartoons + fan service = pervert to most people. It's pretty hypocritical when you consider the popularity of shows like Orange is the New Black and Game of Thrones, but I can't say I'm surprised. <br /> Give me anime's sexuality over the Western one any day. At least it's more varied and femininity expresses itself in more ways than the Bad Ass. |
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