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Dec 13, 2015 8:08 AM

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The black-red themed animation during the father-son scene was amazing. It completely showed what the LN wanted to convey.

It's good they didn't show too much of the "physical" torture (poisoning etc) and just focused on the mental breakdown Ikki experienced. That would lessen the impact of the BS that would come in the next episode.....(really, the fight scene in next episode is the only event I actually didn't like in the LN...or in the story in general).

Anyway, cheers to this episode!
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Dec 13, 2015 8:09 AM
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hoopla123 said:
Don't get why the Dad is so obsessed with making sure Ikki doesn't do something when Ikki practically shits on 90% of all magic knights with his abilities.

Feels like drama for the sake of drama.


Ye i agree with you.

If ikki is mediocre and has mediocre results then 90% of all magical knights are just crap and below mediocre.....it does not make sense to me.Not to mention from Ikki's fight even someone with a monkey brain can understand that Ikki is beyond average and is one of the strongest fighters.

Also this whole publicity thing,wouldnt it hurt the family as well?He is not just Ikki but Ikki kurogane so it gonna make the family look bad too.....Not to mention with Ikki getting more publicity people gonna start learning that despite being a ''failure'' the guy beat many strong upper class magical knights so how would that work for them?
There's also stella's family if they learn that the Kurogane's did all this they might wanna punish them or something etc etc...

The plan really is lame and just for the sake of drama,if Ikki's family was so powerful they could have found other ways to make ikki give up,that would not involve such bs and risks.

Think this is the only thing that dissapointed me in this anime so far,at least the next fight sounds cool.
 
Dec 13, 2015 8:13 AM

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It is not Socialism, rather it is Elitism. Guy believes that only those that have talent can grow, and those that are mediocre should be destined to have mediocre results. Ikki is setting an "example" of a mediocre guy that is growing stronger, which this guy disapproves since in his view, it will cause other weaklings to become motivated to change, which he believes will destroy the pre-established order that only elites gotta top, and the rest gotta resign themselves to being at the low tier for the rest of their lives.

It is arrogance at its purest, with a level of cruelty to match.

Your description reminds me of the caste system in Hinduism. Other than that, you explained Itsuki's views better than I would have.
 
Dec 13, 2015 8:20 AM
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that fat ugly guy is a bastard.
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Dec 13, 2015 8:32 AM

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i haven't watched it yet but i'm pretty sure that i won't like it as usual
 
Dec 13, 2015 8:36 AM

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Damn~ next ep will be epic

 
Dec 13, 2015 9:00 AM

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Radical episode. 5/5
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Dec 13, 2015 11:25 AM

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Sigh. What a way to ruin a franchise.

For argument's sake, lets accept that in their world, dating a princess is a really serious offence which can cause you to get arrested, imprisoned, investigated, solitarily confined, physically abused, booted out as a Knight, universally despised etc etc.

So why did the school force them to share a room? Why did the two of them, knowing the serious consequences, go into a relationship without even discussing the implications? Given how both of them were so driven to win the competition, why would they sacrifice their chance of winning for a relationship? Why didn't their friends, who saw them being affectionate, warn them that they were too obvious? And seriously, public kissing is just begging for trouble!

It feels like the author didn't really think it through and just ass-pulled this unbelievably lame plot device to move the story.
 
Dec 13, 2015 11:32 AM

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Showing us how the trivialities of bureaucracy can be blown out of proportion when pushed as a political tool. Well done Rakudai.

The style for the latter portion of this episode was very fitting for the heavy tone that came with it. It reminded me of the OP and I'm actually glad that the OP got me used to it so that it didn't feel out of place when it was actually implemented into the show. The scene with the dad was pretty depressing. It's said that the opposite of love isn't hate, but indifference. Rather than resenting his own son, he simply labeled him as an unusable asset.

On the brighter side, I really do like Toka. My image of her was completely shattered by that panty shot at the start, but she's still a treat.
 
Dec 13, 2015 11:38 AM

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Sigh. What a way to ruin a franchise.<br />
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For argument&#039;s sake, lets accept that in their world, dating a princess is a really serious offence which can cause you to get arrested, imprisoned, investigated, solitarily confined, physically abused, booted out as a Knight, universally despised etc etc.<br />
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So why did the school force them to share a room? Why did the two of them, knowing the serious consequences, go into a relationship without even discussing the implications? Given how both of them were so driven to win the competition, why would they sacrifice their chance of winning for a relationship? Why didn&#039;t their friends, who saw them being affectionate, warn them that they were too obvious? And seriously, public kissing is just begging for trouble!<br />
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It feels like the author didn&#039;t really think it through and just ass-pulled this unbelievably lame plot device to move the story.


The idea is that Kurogane family is making it a bigger deal than it is, just to frame Ikki, who has been cautious to them. Every thing isnt a problem until this influential gamily makes it to be. This family's behaviour is always hinted at and now it shows what it really is. There is no asspull involved.
 
Dec 13, 2015 12:17 PM

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HOLY FUCK.

This was an epic episode and had some fantastic developments all-around. It was an impactful episode and there wasn't even much fighting in it. It started out so nice with the kiss and the seeing the real Toka. Tis was good.

But then that bastard-fat-asian-mother-fucker blackmailed Ikki and Stella!

Seriously though, I loved the contrast between Ikki and Toka, and how Ikki was trying to find out what he was fighting for. Everyone across the board got development. I loved how we got to see a softer, sweeter side to Toka and that we got to learn of her resolve. Then Ikki went into incarnation to protect his relationship with Stella and to face his past. And I don't blame Stella for second guessing the relationship because it was a pretty fucked up situation, but that's why you got friends to pick you back up (thank you Shizuka). I loved how she sent her hair to Ikki so he could be reminded that she wasn't giving up and he shouldn't either.

But Ikki got completely shat on. His spirit was broken to pieces and it came right from his dad, he even shed a tear. It was very sad. That realization of everything that you thought you knew and everything you wanted to prove was just all pointless, would crush anyone and it crushed Ikki. What a great psychological battle that all was and I loved how it explored what Ikki thought he was fighting for. My guess is that his true answer will come next episode.

And the change in animation to the black and white, and distorted film reel was awesome because it reflected the intensity of the situation. Ikki gave it his all and roughed through that terrible incarnation, but when someone you care about so much and someone you tried to win respect for such a long just tells you right to your face that you mean absolutely nothing to him, and on top of that person is your father? Man, talk about a horrible situation. However, the hope is that Ikki can be free from his past and move on. He doesn't have to worry winning respect from a piece of shit like his father anymore.

His father really had a wicked, authoritarian view of the world. Weak need to stay weak and the strong need to stay strong, and there can't be any beacons of hope that disrupt that view. Ikki is kind of like the Mockingjay right now

And I also found the whole scandal of the illicit sexual relationship and how that effected Stella publicly well done. I wish Stella's parents would say something though....

Also I gotta give it to the teacher and principle for helping out Ikki. Now the wait for next episode begins, this is going to be quite the fight.
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Dec 13, 2015 12:31 PM

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Stella isn't the princess of the country she is in right now. If Ikki was captured, she can't free him in any way unless her family gets involved as well. Which I doubt they will considering what was written about Ikki in the newspaper. They fabricated a lot of things about him. None of which was good. It does matter because Stella is a princess. She is not a commoner. To be in a relationship with a princess is a matter of the country in itself. She is royal while Ikki is considered to be trash. Also , the only reason he is going to jail for it is because of Ikki's family. What they are obviously doing is not right. It shouldn't be allowed. That is the whole point. It showcases how messed up the system is. As you heard, those without magical power shouldn't even try to rise to the top. Ikki was born to 'fail' . He shouldn't have tried to be better. Stella is a Princess. Not a normal girl. If this was Ikki and a normal girl, it wouldn't have been such a deal. It still kind of would've with how they fabricated a lot of things about him , which Stella mentions in this episode. The kiss was just a good excuse to lock him up so that he would lose the tournament. What they are doing isn't obviously right and shouldn't be allowed. That is the point. You are able to see the lengths to which Kurogane family will go to make sure Ikki doesn't win.You can see that he isn't properly being fed and isolation can really do a lot of bad things to you. He also got mentally destroyed by his father as well. Ikki is considered to be a 'disgrace' to the family for being born without high magic power unlike his ancestors. His family is made up of people with high magic power. It is basically their right. Ikki is someone who wasn't born with that power. It is kind of like saying that he had no right to be born in the Kurogane family.
I loved this episode. The art just made everything better.


Well said sir.
 
Dec 13, 2015 12:42 PM

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Fai said:
hoopla123 said:
Don't get why the Dad is so obsessed with making sure Ikki doesn't do something when Ikki practically shits on 90% of all magic knights with his abilities.

Feels like drama for the sake of drama.

This episode literally explained it?

Dad's a conservative. Ikki's strength breaks the system and tradition that the system is based upon. IF Ikki succeeds, others at lower hierarchy would get ideas to try too, which does not sit well with the dad.

No matter how much Ikki would prove himself, that would make his dad hate him even more.


Which doesn't make any sense when Ikki literally shits on all magic knights with his overpowered abilities and as a magic knight, overpowering your opponents is literally the best thing you can do.

Like I said, forced drama.

Mahouka, this and so many of these other underpowered but secretly overpowered MC LNs get bland quick. Why hate on the MC when they are literally one of the most powerful beings in existence. The author just wanted to make some underdog story but couldn't make enough drama out of it and forces insensible shit like this.
 
Dec 13, 2015 1:18 PM

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hoopla123 said:
Fai said:

This episode literally explained it?

Dad's a conservative. Ikki's strength breaks the system and tradition that the system is based upon. IF Ikki succeeds, others at lower hierarchy would get ideas to try too, which does not sit well with the dad.

No matter how much Ikki would prove himself, that would make his dad hate him even more.


Which doesn't make any sense when Ikki literally shits on all magic knights with his overpowered abilities and as a magic knight, overpowering your opponents is literally the best thing you can do.

Like I said, forced drama.

Mahouka, this and so many of these other underpowered but secretly overpowered MC LNs get bland quick. Why hate on the MC when they are literally one of the most powerful beings in existence. The author just wanted to make some underdog story but couldn't make enough drama out of it and forces insensible shit like this.


Ikki's "power" is something he has trained for and is training for. He trains fighting and he honed his skills to insane limits.
But MAGICALLY he is a weakling and a complete amateur. While the likes of Stella could very likely bring down entire buildings with magic alone.

The thing to his advantage is that magic alone is not "end all be all" in terms of a fight. Skill, experience and combat prowess is how he beats his opponents. He has yet to "overpower" an opponent in magic. If it came solely to magic, the likes of Stella or Shizuku would destroy him in seconds.

Kurogane family is all about magic power and purity of magic. Ikki's grandpa is a war hero and his family members are born with insane powers and are taught to think theya re superior to everyone else. We have already seen a bit of his family's doctrine in shizuku backstory last ep.
In fact quite a big part of the country is based in such a way and run in such a way of elitism. It is meant to be an extreme of japanese traditionalism taken to extreme(since they never lost WW2 and the politics they had then only continued)

Ikki was born without any distinct power. Everything he has is achieved via hard work. And for a family that prides itself in its roots - that's a disgrace against their doctrine.

Because if any "lowborn" can achieve and beat the "natural born geniuses" by merely trying and training and thus surpassing someone who was born with huge powers, then the idea of circumstances of your birth making you superior crumbles apart. The weak serving under powerful suddenly start longing for the position the powerful have instead of bowing their heads and serving.

Funny you mention Mahouka - that is the world Ikki's father would LOVE - because in mahouka, no matter how much you train, its futile, as your genes have decided it all already.
 
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The episode was good, because it reminded us how shitty is mankind.

Many times through history, people has been Stoned , Burned, Murdered, Incarcelated and prosecuted just because they dated someone on a diferent social status.

but there are a lot of political reasons in Ikki's case, it's not just his father for the sake of being the Evil Villian: This organisation doesn't want what Ikki brings to their world: Hope.

They have instaured order because they have all the high tier Knights on their side, the Noble Houses who rule the world are the ones able to breed powerful Knights, that's how they mantain control over the population.

But then, someone like Ikki just appears, and defeats powerful A-rank Knights because his efforts and technique have no rival. All the high tiers would panic because they're afraid that Ikki will become a simbol of Hope for all those low rank knights who suffered prejudice because their magical level wasn't over 9000.


a real world parallel would be a dude who discovered an energy with no drawbacks and with unlimited power, Oil companys all over the world would try to get that guy killed before he showed his discoverings.
 
Dec 13, 2015 3:16 PM
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The problem is how his family handled it.

Lets say you a low class magic knight like ikki and you read newspaper.

'''F class knight banging hot strong magic princess from other country''

What would your reaction be?? Wouldnt you want to know more about the guy??
People would learn that the guy has already beat OP magic knight stella in duel,along with tons of other strong geniuses in epic fights......Doesnt this alone make the whole plan stupid??

@Zahylon : ''a real world parallel would be a dude who discovered an energy with no drawbacks and with unlimited power, Oil companys all over the world would try to get that guy killed before he showed his discoverings.''

Ye before he show the world his discoverings....The oil companies would prolly not want to attract publicity to his work and results or let more people get interested in him,they would get rid of him before that happened......The exact opposite of what is going on here....

Not to mention that even if Ikki won,that would not change anything.People say hard work this hard work that but Ikki is indeed a talent/genius in Fighting/Swordsmanship ..........if all it took was hard work then there would be tons of ''F'' magic knights that would have made it big no offence.....
 
Dec 13, 2015 3:55 PM

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My goodness that episode was so powerful.....<br />
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For an episode without much action I dare say that this was probably the best one so far....The beginning scene with Ikki and Stella sharing another kiss was really beautiful and I loved it<br />
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Toudo in the otherhand made me really feel confident when I say that she is best girl....Not only is her battle prowess just out of this world and that she has amazing abilities, but her personality was just so sweet and personally for me, genuinely nice and selfless characters like her just makes me smile and seeing her with those kids was just perfect - Interesting and nice story about how she changed the vice president too<br />
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However shit got real in the second half and it really made me mad to see how Ikki and Stella&#039;s relationship got exposed like that and how they got treated like crap plus Ikki&#039;s dad and his cunt henchman arresting Ikki and having him to through that trauma of finding out that his dad is worse than scum and that his reason for fighting is pointless<br />
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This is just really messed up and locking him up for 10 days and having the media tarnish his name is just cruel.....But alas, this where Ikki and Stella prove that they&#039;re the best couple of 2015 and seeing those two keep pushing on for each other no matter what was great<br />
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This is going to be one hell of a finale now that Ikki has to fight Raikiri in the mental state that he is in and I&#039;m just curious to see how this will end<br />
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Amazing episode overall snd the production value for this episode was just 1000/10....Everything from the visuals, the voice acting, the time, the atmosphere, the OST and the pacing was just top notch <br />

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Dec 13, 2015 3:57 PM

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no ikki!!! don't lose your way PLEASEE. you have to remember that stella and the gang will always be there for you ;_____;

the odds are stacked against him so bad. i don't even know how this will end. people would think it's most likely for him to beat school council prez, but i'm not so sure tbh...

the cliffhanger is going to be real. i need a second season already damnit.
 
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Change the title not rakudai kishi but rakudai chichi
 
Dec 13, 2015 5:19 PM

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I feel like they really captured the depressing essence of the whole incarceration situation with Ikki. The change in art style also was amazing and greatly reinforced the tone of that part. To make matters even worse for Ikki, I think I remember in the LN that they even resorted to feeding him tainted food that would make him constantly feel sick and lose energy. Can't way to see how they animate the finale next week!
 
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Without a doubt the best episode so far, I really liked the way they introduced Ikki's father and also how they used different colors while highlighting some other, 4/5 episode.
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Fai said:
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Which doesn't make any sense when Ikki literally shits on all magic knights with his overpowered abilities and as a magic knight, overpowering your opponents is literally the best thing you can do.

Like I said, forced drama.

Mahouka, this and so many of these other underpowered but secretly overpowered MC LNs get bland quick. Why hate on the MC when they are literally one of the most powerful beings in existence. The author just wanted to make some underdog story but couldn't make enough drama out of it and forces insensible shit like this.


Ikki's "power" is something he has trained for and is training for. He trains fighting and he honed his skills to insane limits.
But MAGICALLY he is a weakling and a complete amateur. While the likes of Stella could very likely bring down entire buildings with magic alone.

The thing to his advantage is that magic alone is not "end all be all" in terms of a fight. Skill, experience and combat prowess is how he beats his opponents. He has yet to "overpower" an opponent in magic. If it came solely to magic, the likes of Stella or Shizuku would destroy him in seconds.

Kurogane family is all about magic power and purity of magic. Ikki's grandpa is a war hero and his family members are born with insane powers and are taught to think theya re superior to everyone else. We have already seen a bit of his family's doctrine in shizuku backstory last ep.
In fact quite a big part of the country is based in such a way and run in such a way of elitism. It is meant to be an extreme of japanese traditionalism taken to extreme(since they never lost WW2 and the politics they had then only continued)

Ikki was born without any distinct power. Everything he has is achieved via hard work. And for a family that prides itself in its roots - that's a disgrace against their doctrine.

Because if any "lowborn" can achieve and beat the "natural born geniuses" by merely trying and training and thus surpassing someone who was born with huge powers, then the idea of circumstances of your birth making you superior crumbles apart. The weak serving under powerful suddenly start longing for the position the powerful have instead of bowing their heads and serving.

Funny you mention Mahouka - that is the world Ikki's father would LOVE - because in mahouka, no matter how much you train, its futile, as your genes have decided it all already.


Interesting that you mentioned Ikki's grandfather. If I remember correctly, he told Ikki to believe in himself and never give up. Assuming he truly meant it, why is there such a difference in ideology between the war hero (grandfather) and his descendants (Ikki's father)?
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Fai said:
hoopla123 said:
Don't get why the Dad is so obsessed with making sure Ikki doesn't do something when Ikki practically shits on 90% of all magic knights with his abilities.

Feels like drama for the sake of drama.

This episode literally explained it?

Dad's a conservative. Ikki's strength breaks the system and tradition that the system is based upon. IF Ikki succeeds, others at lower hierarchy would get ideas to try too, which does not sit well with the dad.

No matter how much Ikki would prove himself, that would make his dad hate him even more.


Actually Ikki's father doesn't hate his son, his father is just to devoted to his duties and all. People seem to think Itsuki is doing this to protect the Kurogane name but that's wrong. To Itsuki, Ikki is inconsequential to the family. Itsuki is doing this purely out his will to retain the hierarchy system of the Blazers. Blazers are people with supernatural powers, if everyone starts copying Ikki and tries to overcome that system, it might eventually lead to lots of problem such as conflict between lower ranking blazers and high ranking blazers.
 
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Interesting that you mentioned Ikki's grandfather. If I remember correctly, he told Ikki to believe in himself and never give up. Assuming he truly meant it, why is there such a difference in ideology between the war hero (grandfather) and his descendants (Ikki's father)?


Ikki's grandfather had to fight and work hard to achieve greatness, Ikki's father had it handed to him. If you don't work hard and are just given power, generally you don't usually end up with an appreciation for what that power means. Happens all the time in real life.
 
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Actually Ikki's father doesn't hate his son, his father is just to devoted to his duties and all. People seem to think Itsuki is doing this to protect the Kurogane name but that's wrong. To Itsuki, Ikki is inconsequential to the family. Itsuki is doing this purely out his will to retain the hierarchy system of the Blazers. Blazers are people with supernatural powers, if everyone starts copying Ikki and tries to overcome that system, it might eventually lead to lots of problem such as conflict between lower ranking blazers and high ranking blazers.

Actually it is all of it. Blazers are humans with superpowers, and ergo should be the ones to be at the top. Then there is the Kurogane that are strong even by Blazers standarts, ergo they are at the Top of the Top by being "themselves".

Then Ikki comes and he without any "magic talent" is basically destroying all the established system by pulverizing Magic Users here and there. Obviously this won't sit well with Itsuki, because if Ikki can prove that hard work can overcome genius, then it will give others like him the same hope, and then more "Ikkis" will come and with that, the entire system collapses.

If the so called geniuses can be beaten through hardwork, then their status is put into question, and by proxy the "gifted" position of the Kurogane becomes less special. Itsuki is the head of the Top of the Top, for him his gifted position is "everything". If Ikki succeeded in destroying the system, it would basically equate to what Itsuki did to Ikki, ergo it would very well destroy him as a being, since he will plumet from being a privileged amongst humans, to being nothing.
 
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Fai said:


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That bullshit doesn't fly with me. A fucking war over pussy? Maybe 100 years ago when monarchs were worth something and before globalization. At most that angle would be better if they had done the kidnapping, maybe.

Let me guess.
You have not been alive in 1997? Nor watched any tv about Britain then?
Baseless garbage, at least in the sense of incarceration. He didn't break any laws and they didn't even try to make ait seem as if he did. Like say for instance if he tried to rape her. would've been perfect bait back when they were in the woods/cabin alone. It would've at least justified the incarceration part. But prolly cause him to forfeit automatically due to not being able to be resent for fights, but whatever.They could've tried to dismantle him by saying "why are you dating someone who's your competition in the same tournament?" The writing was flimsy as fuck. Also the URL name also downplays the seriousness of the whle "war" risk. That'll work on PBS or some shit, maybe.
 
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It is very rary there is an scene in a anime is very sweet though. :3
Ikki and Stella are very cute couple too i really love them both. ^^
The father is a really asshole though!! :<
 
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A few scenes would have been ok with the overly dramatic art change. Instead you got it shoved on you for half an episode. Awesome... Felt way too forced and by reading comments a decent bit of interesting stuff was left out from the LN.
 
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Why can't Stella barg in and say i have no problem with kissing Ikki and as the princess i wan't you to release him


This. Would have been so epic.
 
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RealityRush said:
Preciize said:
Interesting that you mentioned Ikki's grandfather. If I remember correctly, he told Ikki to believe in himself and never give up. Assuming he truly meant it, why is there such a difference in ideology between the war hero (grandfather) and his descendants (Ikki's father)?


Ikki's grandfather had to fight and work hard to achieve greatness, Ikki's father had it handed to him. If you don't work hard and are just given power, generally you don't usually end up with an appreciation for what that power means. Happens all the time in real life.


I think that's pretty obvious and self-explanatory, I was just expecting his grandfather to pass his ideology down to his children. Guess he was probably too busy fighting and absent in the household.
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Poor Ikki, his father is really harsh (to not say a bastard).
The art during the second part fitted perfectly, good choice. I wonder how Ikki can win against Toka,in this condition ...
 
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Actually Ikki's father doesn't hate his son, his father is just to devoted to his duties and all. People seem to think Itsuki is doing this to protect the Kurogane name but that's wrong. To Itsuki, Ikki is inconsequential to the family. Itsuki is doing this purely out his will to retain the hierarchy system of the Blazers. Blazers are people with supernatural powers, if everyone starts copying Ikki and tries to overcome that system, it might eventually lead to lots of problem such as conflict between lower ranking blazers and high ranking blazers.

Actually it is all of it. Blazers are humans with superpowers, and ergo should be the ones to be at the top. Then there is the Kurogane that are strong even by Blazers standarts, ergo they are at the Top of the Top by being "themselves".

Then Ikki comes and he without any "magic talent" is basically destroying all the established system by pulverizing Magic Users here and there. Obviously this won't sit well with Itsuki, because if Ikki can prove that hard work can overcome genius, then it will give others like him the same hope, and then more "Ikkis" will come and with that, the entire system collapses.

If the so called geniuses can be beaten through hardwork, then their status is put into question, and by proxy the "gifted" position of the Kurogane becomes less special. Itsuki is the head of the Top of the Top, for him his gifted position is "everything". If Ikki succeeded in destroying the system, it would basically equate to what Itsuki did to Ikki, ergo it would very well destroy him as a being, since he will plumet from being a privileged amongst humans, to being nothing.


Ah no actually. To Itsuki, Ikki is inconsequential to the family name. Ikki being F-Rank to him has zero affect on the Kurogane name, even if Ikki is F-rank the Kurogane still has other talented Blazers. He's halting Ikki merely out of his duty. If there's another F-rank doing the same as Ikki, Itsuki will still have done the same to the other F-rank.
 
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Wow. Just wow. This show was getting good, and then it goes and does . . . whatever the fuck this episode was. I am legit surprised at all the 5 out of 5 votes this episode got and how much others seem to have enjoyed it. If you liked it, good for you I guess, but I personally thought the second half of this episode was a piece of hot garbage. Yes, I know. I'm just a random guy, you don't care, whatever. I just hated this episode so much I had to vent about it somewhere.
 
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Yay, Stella and Ikki can kiss each other without embarrassment anymore.
Tohka is a funny girl and clumsy as, haha!
Kind of stupid how Ikki is incarcerated, just for being seen kissing Stella, also, Ikki's father is blind as hell.
That fat guy also annoys me.
 
Dec 14, 2015 12:53 AM

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Fai said:

This episode literally explained it?

Dad's a conservative. Ikki's strength breaks the system and tradition that the system is based upon. IF Ikki succeeds, others at lower hierarchy would get ideas to try too, which does not sit well with the dad.

No matter how much Ikki would prove himself, that would make his dad hate him even more.


Which doesn't make any sense when Ikki literally shits on all magic knights with his overpowered abilities and as a magic knight, overpowering your opponents is literally the best thing you can do.

Like I said, forced drama.

Mahouka, this and so many of these other underpowered but secretly overpowered MC LNs get bland quick. Why hate on the MC when they are literally one of the most powerful beings in existence. The author just wanted to make some underdog story but couldn't make enough drama out of it and forces insensible shit like this.


Ikki overpowered? Oh fucking please. I thought some people were just sbitching about how weak Ikki was just last episode? Make up your goddamn mind people.

「Stella had better lung capacity than Ikki, of course, her strength, mana, firepower; everything was far above Ikki's. 」

Ikki only got to where he is because he trained insanely hard, invented methods that noone would think of, nearly mastered every single weapon be it hand to hand, kodachi, and even archery, and probably went through many life threatening experiences to master Ittou Shura, even created the 7 original sword techniques ALONE. Literally every match for Ikki is like playing a fighting game with bottom tiered character against high-top tier with handicap set to max. If Ikki succeeds, other people without powers are going to think "oh I can become successful too". But how many is aware what amount of hardwork Ikki put behind his achievements, how much pain Ikki had to endure, and how many dangers he faced. It will create a bunch of half-assed Blazers thinking they can become just like Ikki, which is what his father don't want. his family already tried to have him fail and that exactly why he wasn't able to pass last year.

If you've actually watched the show with your brains on instead of "lolololol OP protag Mahouka clone!", you can see that Ikki is injured in majority of his fight, and got wounded up a lot worse than Swordeater because he is WEAKER than him, only won because he predicted that Swordeater's weakness low stamina and outlasted him. On top of that Ikki is weaker than Tohka at this point, if Ikki fought Tohka in place of Shizuku he would probably lose as well. If Ikki is OP then that Golem user ep.10 must be like god descending on earth.

If you think Ikki is OP even like this, then I'm sorry but I think a simple story like Rakudai is too complicated for you(I can't even believe I'm saying this).
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It's simple Ikki he doesn't like you, ah just say "a fuck em... who needs him..." Ikki is strong anyway... now that he knows the awful truth, just go ahead and get blank and wreck havoc.... be a total bad-ass...
Got something to live for, I know that I won't surrender,
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I'm taking over, a shot to the new world order
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Dec 14, 2015 1:48 AM

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This anime has a really big mental impact on the viewers who watch it. Seeing this episode really brings his emotional attachment he held onto being completely crushed and thrown away, and how he must go through with this final battle with such an intensely negative mindset is going to be a thrill ride.

The anime has amazing OST too like some of you have already said, combining that with the specific circumstances that the characters are going through in the scenes that play them are really synergizing well throughout the anime so far.

I think some of the best characters in anime have grown through their despairs and having met such a fate in this episode with his father, I see Ikki becoming really intriguing in the next episode.

Can Ikki overcome his rejection by his family? Can he remember his devotion to Stella? Can he remember his sister always being behind him? The principal and teachers that have grown to love Ikki? I'm sensing something similar to Guilty Crown for some reason, that would be so epic.

Such a powerful moment and a good picture for an avatar.
 
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Let me guess.
You have not been alive in 1997? Nor watched any tv about Britain then?
Baseless garbage, at least in the sense of incarceration. He didn't break any laws and they didn't even try to make ait seem as if he did. Like say for instance if he tried to rape her. would've been perfect bait back when they were in the woods/cabin alone. It would've at least justified the incarceration part. But prolly cause him to forfeit automatically due to not being able to be resent for fights, but whatever.They could've tried to dismantle him by saying "why are you dating someone who's your competition in the same tournament?" The writing was flimsy as fuck. Also the URL name also downplays the seriousness of the whle "war" risk. That'll work on PBS or some shit, maybe.
Among the other thing that are charged at him they charge him of blackmailing. Of course it is fabricated but that's enough to lower his credibility specifically since he is also accused earlier of having set his match with Stella.
Kickstarter for Rokujouma is fully funded. Good work everyone. Lets wait for the result of our hard work together.
 
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Ah no actually. To Itsuki, Ikki is inconsequential to the family name. Ikki being F-Rank to him has zero affect on the Kurogane name, even if Ikki is F-rank the Kurogane still has other talented Blazers. He's halting Ikki merely out of his duty. If there's another F-rank doing the same as Ikki, Itsuki will still have done the same to the other F-rank.

That's exactly what I'm saying. I'm saying Itsuki cannot tolerate any "weakling" be it Ikki or anybody else to attempt to raise the ranks, because it causes chaos on the system of "Blazers are strong" and "Kurogane are the strongest of the Blazers".

What I'm saying is that Ikki succeeds, it will create other inspired "ikkis" around the world, which will overthrow the Blazers. And if that happens the "Blazers are strong" idea falls flat, and by extension the "Kurogane are the strongest of the Blazers" holds no meaning if the former loses value.

Itsuki wants Ikki and any other like-minded individuals to fail, in order to protect the status quo of Blazer superiority which also ties with the Kurogane's privileged position. If the Blazer Superiority is put into question by individuals by Ikki then so is the elite position of the Kurogane. Itsuki wants to protect his cradle of gold at all costs and that's why he cannot allow any "Ikkis" around. But it is purely self-centered.
 
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Sigh. What a way to ruin a franchise.

For argument's sake, lets accept that in their world, dating a princess is a really serious offence which can cause you to get arrested, imprisoned, investigated, solitarily confined, physically abused, booted out as a Knight, universally despised etc etc.

So why did the school force them to share a room?

Exactly.

Why did the two of them, knowing the serious consequences, go into a relationship without even discussing the implications?

If this was brought up sooner, all of the drama in this episode wouldn't have felt so sudden and contrived.
 
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Jacara said:
Sigh. What a way to ruin a franchise.

For argument's sake, lets accept that in their world, dating a princess is a really serious offence which can cause you to get arrested, imprisoned, investigated, solitarily confined, physically abused, booted out as a Knight, universally despised etc etc.

So why did the school force them to share a room?

Exactly.

They explained why already. In the first episode.

Why did the two of them, knowing the serious consequences, go into a relationship without even discussing the implications?

If this was brought up sooner, all of the drama in this episode wouldn't have felt so sudden and contrived.

IT WAS brought up. By Ikki. In the log Cabin.


Do people even watch the show?
 
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I don't know if this episode was bad or good, the visual effects were amazing but the pacing was horrid, also i think the contrast in tone between the first minutes and the later was a bit silly. It's a pity the next is the final.

 
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Episode plunged to new levels of stupid rarely found before even in anime.
 
Dec 14, 2015 3:38 PM

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Ikki's grandfather had to fight and work hard to achieve greatness, Ikki's father had it handed to him. If you don't work hard and are just given power, generally you don't usually end up with an appreciation for what that power means. Happens all the time in real life.


I think that's pretty obvious and self-explanatory, I was just expecting his grandfather to pass his ideology down to his children. Guess he was probably too busy fighting and absent in the household.

Kids don't always listen to their parents well ;P
 
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Another case of an episode that drops the series to a 5.

Completely out of character episode. The Director probably gave up on the series at this point.
Sad to see the legend that did Ef: to fall to such a poor level.


You think this was bad?


The only thing good about this anime is the A+ ecchi from Stella's VA who's doing great and the work of the animation director. Everyone else can pretty much drop dead and the shows quality wouldn't change.

He destroyed the meaning and purpose of Shaft's animation style. All he can put out nowadays is good ecchi, Oonuma has lost any talent he had at direction.
 
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The style, music and atmosphere of the latter half of the episode and the scene with the father was actually so well done.

Everything else felt rushed as fuck, sadly.
 
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What I'm saying is that if Ikki succeeds, it will create other inspired "ikkis" around the world, which will overthrow the Blazers. And if that happens the "Blazers are strong" idea falls flat, and by extension the "Kurogane are the strongest of the Blazers" holds no meaning if the former loses value.
Nah, they can just use their power to make the mass media stir public opinion into believing that Ikki's success is attributed solely to the genes of Kurogane clan. After all, Ikki's hard work is unknown to public. Only those close enough to him knows about that. So, if the public that knows nothing of Ikki's struggles are told that his success was written in his genes, they'll surely believe that & will not have any "strange" idea that is "hardwork makes success".
 
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I sincerely hope he beats Todo. If he loses due to being jailed for almost 3 weeks, mentally worn out, and likely malnourished, that would be some crap. This whole episode was a load of garbage.
 
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This episode took a great action/magical school show with a main character who actually gets the girl to whole new levels of forced drama, and bullshit.

Honestly if they put a bit more effort into building the world or in to giving us some goddamn context then this episode could have been great. Its episodes like these that can shatter the suspension of disbelief and resulting in me nitpicking.

Blazers:

Explain this shit better, I know these guys have good genes and have a (slightly) higher status in society. Its clearly not that much as they took classes from a non blazer, got their asses beat by a non blazer and no one is making a big deal about it in the show.
Hell a scene where someone says "you know what maybe we should raise ikkis knight level from F to something reasonable of his skill rather than his talent" and then getting brutally shot down or shouted at for suggesting that a non blazer be put on the same level as them. or being belittled for taking sword classes from a non blazer etc.
A lot have comments have stated that this is the case or that blazers being above everyone is societal norm and his father wants to keep it that way but we never see it. they needed to show that. Hell you could have had it in this episode. Rip out the filler with the orphanage and stick in his father talking behind the scenes about his reasoning behind. (also wtf was with the whole evil for the purpose of evil guy? He was a complete cartoon, if you want to add villan then give them better motivation than, feeling inferior to the Kurogane family and by extension their disowned son)

Stella being a princess:

If she is important enough where kissing her is enough proof to assume a sexual relationship and thereby incarceration, then you have to demonstrate that she is that valuable or important enough to justify such actions.
Scandals within a monarchy or with celebrities happen all the time and the public eats it up just like they do in the show. If Princess Kate had an affair right now with some poor guy, the media would go nuts, but the guy wouldn't be imprisoned to solitary confinement, abused, mistreated and given some bullshit trial. This could have easily happened when monarchies were still a thing a couple hundred years ago, but they set hers up like Kate's not like Elizabeth the 1st's.
This again could have been solved by giving us a couple scenes where they stress how important she is, like inheriting a country important, who she marries could determine the next 20 years of trade between countries kind of important.

Couple other points: The bad press and the whole kiss/sex relationship.

Really? This is the best they could come up with? These guys clearly control the media, they could have easily made some shit up, killed someone and blamed it on ikki, bombed a school and blamed it on ikki, considering how little proof they needed for this fiasco they could easily whip up something in the backroom and present it as proof. All it would have to be would be a newspaper article (Ikki spotted during local orphanage bombing!), hell it could have been the filler orphanage in the first half of the episode and then you get Todo ready to murder him in their fight while Ikki barley hangs on for dear life.

Rant over I think.

Overall these are just nitpicks, don't take them too seriously. I loved the show watching through it and the whole blazers/stella/kiss thing I could still ignore if they gave us some context. This episode just rubbed me the wrong way with that shitty ass villain snickering every second sentence and fuck all being explained. I'm still excited for the last episode and the sure to be awesome fight.
 
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