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| If Magata Shiki's sister exited the helicopter with the director, how was the sister actually Shiki the entire time? Plus, how could one fake the existence of a person (her sister)? It would be really easy to find out if Miki's identity would real because one could check birth records. Hopefully the plot holes will be explained in the next ep |
| Fantastic episode, it was a lot to take in. |
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Domenca said: How did Magata kill the uncle? I don't remember well, but didn't someone come get the uncle and 'sister' to the roof? Did she kill him before they came or did she go back up later? Was he already dead when the guy came to get them? Wouldn't it be weird if someone came and saw the director dead and 'sister' not knowing what happened? The way you say it doesn't make much sense. This is what I think about what's the answer to your questions. 1. I think she didn't kill him where the episode ends, but a bit later. 2. Yes. That's why it seems too weird for me. 3. She didn't kill him before they came, he was capable to do some gestures from the pilot seat (Unless she could control the gestures of the face of a dead man). I conjecture the last scene of the episode was even before they went to the roof (And she didn't really kill him then), but the security should have been too careless for it to be true. The last scene could have been after that, but... how did she get into the helicopter? That, or the sister does exist, or someone from the studio screwed up. 4. No. 5. It's already weird as it is. |
| Shiki is brilliant, I did suspect the sister in the beginning but I passed it off since she was acting too emotional to actually be Shiki. Actually during all those flashbacks did her parents or even her aunt (excluding he uncle) specifically call Shiki by her name? Like Saikawa says in the end, Magata Shiki never existed, The sister was the one that existed. So when she says 'a doll did it', Does she refer to sister Miki and not Shiki? |
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SoraSenpai said: k11chi said: Exactly, everything is basically explained in this episode except for that, what happened to her sister?Erm that sister thing is nonsense as I expected, they said her sister exists. I don't think that would be such a big deal. In the live action drama they just said that her sister never left America. I am pretty sure they could do the same on this animation. |
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| Wowwwww damn. Good twist with I'm so happy I caught "purple shirt lady" last episode, lol. That's like the one thing I successfully deduced by myself this entire time. |
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| That was some awesome craziness, still in love with the opening song, and you can't deny the true long for freedom from everything. |
| While this whole elaborate plan was pretty neat, I still want to know why she bothered with it. She could leave whenever she wanted. Why was it necessary? |
| huh? ridiculous conlusion when did she became miki? WTF happened to the little sister. drop my rating from 8 to 7 |
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| Weird episode i don't understand why saikawa wants to be so close and not intimated by her at all... |
| The "pedophile" relationship is already shocking enough so the mother "killing the entire family" came no surprise to me but I kinda like it though this conclusion. |
| The knife was a dead giveaway for me. The knife Shiki used to stab the director in the back of his neck, was the exact same one she purchased from a store years before (when she was 14) and stabbed her parents with - plus, she mentioned that one day it would be her turn to die, along with the director (during the parent-killing scene) - which was pretty twisted... Also at the beginnig of the series, somebody clearly went up to the roof (thru the elevator) during a very conveniently timed system meltdown, (as Nishinosono noticed & exclaimed while viewing the security footage, after seeing the amputated corpse passing by thru the hallway - which at the time, everybody believed to be Shiki, but was later revealed to be her deceased daughter). And as for the roof, the only ones who were there were Magata Miki the "sister" (aka the real Shiki), and the director. Do take note of the fact that the story takes place on an isolated isle which is only accessible thru aircraft (i.e. helicopter) or watercraft (i.e. ship) - and the facility wasn't open to the public for 15 years (this was a one-time exclusive trip + interview Magata Shiki supposedly agreed to). Which brought me to the conclusion that the killer: a) was either already present on the isle; b) or accessed the isle thru aircraft (i.e thru the uncle's helicopter); c) or acccessed the isle thru watercraft (i.e. the ship Saikawa & Nishinosono were in) In this case it was A, but the killer used method B to disguise it. The killer was an actual "insider" who had access to the roof & helicopter; since that's where the director was stabbed (with the very familiar looking knife...). And the only one who was present at that time was the "sister" - Miki (which in reality was Shiki all along), who fit the profile of a 29-yr-old woman looking like a possible version of an older "Shiki". I also thought the way "Miki" spoke english during the conversation with Saikawa was weird & unnatural. She could have simply settled for Japanese (as far as I can remember, I don't think it was explicitely mentioned that Miki was born & raised in the USA, but only travelled & remained there - to supposedly come back one day to visit her deceased "sister" Shiki). So I believe she chose to communicate in English, just to conceal her Japanese accent, for fear of Saikawa figuring out the truth far too soon. Geez, what a plot :p. Not my favourite, but definitely okay. Love the opening & ending theme song (+ the animation) and the character design as well. LOL @ the very random ostrich scene though (where Sohei figured part of the mystery, i.e. the pregnancy) - I still don't get that vision though. I did some research on ostriches, and apparently the males tend to have harems (with multiple females). Another thing ostriches do is fake death in times of need. So maybe the ostrich scene was a hint (albeit a rather far-fetched one) - ahahahah, gotta love Saikawa Sohei's thinking process! I love that character :). Hopefully the last episode will shed some light on the director's diary + some clarity as to why Shiki did what she did (other than the fact, that she lived her life as if it were a game). |
ElzheimerDec 14, 2015 11:48 AM
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| Meh. The whole mystery was spoiled for me, including the daughter's death and Dr. Magata pretending to be her sister. There wasn't much of an impact because of that. Can't say I understand how so many people in this thread are shocked and surprised by the revelation in this episode? People have been talking about that solution forever. Props for somehow avoiding the discussion in the previous threads, I guess. Why did she kill the uncle? Just because? Also, Saikawa is insane. Why is he impressed by this lunatic? If she ever runs into him again(this time not pretending to be her sister), she'll probably just kill him. And boy, do I sure feel terrible for the daughter. What a horrible life that must have been. |
MormegilDec 11, 2015 12:18 AM
| No one could find the bag that the "little sister" bring, because that bag never exists in the first place. And when the little sister said she brings a doll as a present for her sister, did she actually mean the director, literally, the definition of "doll" for Shiki? That would just make Shiki an even more twisted person, damn. |
| "Whenever you fail at something, always remember that you won't fail as much as Usagi Drop did." |
| Hmm, not really sure what I make of all this. So that student was Chinese and not fluent in Japanese, so that explains her deal. |
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| Awesome episode. At first I thought the daughter killed Magata, but rather the opposite. Brilliant. |
| I'm so confused with helicopter event. Mormegil said: Why did she kill the uncle? Just because? Also, Saikawa is insane. Why is he impressed by this lunatic? If she ever runs into him again(this time not pretending to be her sister), she'll probably just kill him. And boy, do I sure feel terrible for the daughter. What a horrible life that must have been. Maybe she just think the human life just like program. She will just add all the dead into her brain. You won't die even Magata kill you XD What if and only if Magata gave birth to twin/triplet/.... |
| What is the chance for a second season following the next book on the series? |
| Damn that Magata Shiki is just...amazing. |
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| I kind of saw that coming. Well, Magata being the killer anyway. Still liked this episode though. |
| I'm confused about the uncle now too :c when he moved from the cockpit was he alive? If he was, that was kinda silly, then... cause Magata was behind him already. DarkYazawa said: Because that's a fantasy plot-device in a sci-fi setting. :/How did Shiki talk to them through the dream pool thingy if she was already off the island? (ok, it's sci-fi, but not very well grounded in the anime setting) Pandarenboy said: Definitely not ideal, but what you mentioned is the best thing about any mystery show (in my opinion, of course)Lol... This was average as fuck. A single locked room case basically builds up this whole series with nothing else happening. The lack of content (contrary to what you said) is quite something. |
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| Whaaaaaaat???? LOL, dat fake sister. |
| She's going to get away? Really? I don't like how Saikawa can see her as sympathetic either. |
| Went back to see if I could find Magata getting on the boat in episode 9. Yep, got her. Wearing purple as the reporter chick said.  |
| This chapter was a great surprise, that english little talk distract us all from the details. regardless the hole daughter plot was unexpected as well. bravo |
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| Amazing! The ending was predictable, but I did not believe it could be true, the fact that she was not to be killed but the other, of what I was 100% sure the other once already. Narrative has been well orchestrated farce. Shiki is the person of the year! |
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firezero10 said: brass2themax said: While this whole elaborate plan was pretty neat, I still want to know why she bothered with it. She could leave whenever she wanted. Why was it necessary? She's a world renowned scientist. If she left openly, she would be tailed. She needs to make sure everybody think she's dead in order to achieve true freedom. freudist said: If Magata Shiki's sister exited the helicopter with the director, how was the sister actually Shiki the entire time? Plus, how could one fake the existence of a person (her sister)? It would be really easy to find out if Miki's identity would real because one could check birth records. Hopefully the plot holes will be explained in the next ep She could have easily got into the helicopter and waited for them to come before coming out. Well, in the live action drama, it is said that Miki did exist but she was in America the whole time during the incident. But if that's what she wanted then she contradicted herself by leaving clues to where she was. |
| damn man that was amazing she killed her daughter she's a fucked up genuis |
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k11chi said: No you see, what Magata Shiki wanted was to be killed by her daughter once she turns 15, then the daughter would go ahead and kill her dad too. But after she met Nishinosono-san, the daughter started questioning herself, and so she didn't want to go along with her mother's plan.Craze-Chan said: For anyone saying Magata Shiki killed her daughter, it's still just a possibility. All the daughter wanted was to be free, and that was through escaping..or ending her own life. ''She, herself, chose death?'' Says Nishinosono-san. If that's true, then all Magata Shiki did was cut off her daughter's limbs. It was said that Shiki planned for this escape for atleast 7 years and she said ýes, so best case scenario would be that she just brainwashed the daughter you know. The uncle knew of this day and that he'd be killed by her from the get-go also, so chances are that Shiki didn't even plan for her daughter to kill her and it all went according to plan (since she's supposed to be a genius). Also it was just a game for her. |
Craze-Chan said: That wouldn't work because she was showing off as Magata Shiki who hadn't appeared for years on the screen. She couldn't have escaped as Shiki's sister which was the whole plan. So no, she didn't Actually plan for her child to kill herself for no reason. She doesn't care about her and the daughter can't stay as Shiki either in the outside world because she was not a genius.k11chi said: No you see, what Magata Shiki wanted was to be killed by her daughter once she turns 15, then the daughter would go ahead and kill her dad too. But after she met Nishinosono-san, the daughter started questioning herself, and so she didn't want to go along with her mother's plan.It was said that Shiki planned for this escape for atleast 7 years and she said ýes, so best case scenario would be that she just brainwashed the daughter you know. The uncle knew of this day and that he'd be killed by her from the get-go also, so chances are that Shiki didn't even plan for her daughter to kill her and it all went according to plan (since she's supposed to be a genius). Also it was just a game for her. Same with her wearing gloves for all her life. The fingerprints over the room wouldn't have been that Magata Shiki's. It was all in the plan to cut off the limbs. |
k11chiDec 11, 2015 9:49 AM
Lelouch0202 said: Shiki is brilliant, I did suspect the sister in the beginning but I passed it off since she was acting too emotional to actually be Shiki. Actually during all those flashbacks did her parents or even her aunt (excluding he uncle) specifically call Shiki by her name? Like Saikawa says in the end, Magata Shiki never existed, The sister was the one that existed. So when she says 'a doll did it', Does she refer to sister Miki and not Shiki? What he said is that there is no such persona as Magata Miki, that is, it's Magata Miki who never existed. But it's almost the same. He's saying they're both the same. And I don't believe him. |
| Was Magata really killed her own child? i'm getting confuse because of the ending, Magata's older sister was they one who killed the director. And that blood word on the painting, what is the meaning of that. i don't think this is the end of the case. that ending really blows my mind. or did Magata disguise herself like her older sister? but if that was the case, how the director know she was Magata? And that Explanation about "Everything became F" That indeed very interesting. It was a little bit hard to understand it, but finally i understand it now. F is fifteen, so because of that, Magata teach her own daughter to killed her after fifteen years. BUT! if that was the case, then what is the meaning of the ending? Magata ended up killing her own daughter because of Moe, she got out from the room and went to the roof. and then met the director as her older sister and killed him. But she disguise as magata older sister, how can the director knew ? and how can she disguise as magata older sister if she really did? did she killed her sister or something? That if Magata's daughter was the one who escaped. She cut her mother's hands for getting out from the room (Make sense) but her limbs ? if Magata was the one who escaped, She cut her daughter's limbs (make sense) but her hand? i think she cut the hand so that if someone notice that Magata had a daughter and realize that the one who escaped was Magata's daughter, they wouldn't know that the one who escaped was actually Magata, and she went to the roof, disguise like her sister and killed him, but for some reason the director was actually knew that was Magata. and to connect it with this episode, Magata didn't escaped from the island instead stayed inside the Lab while disguise as her sister. then where is her real sister ? did Magata killed her and hide the body? and Saikawa said it too in the end, "There's no such person as Magata Shiki, She was Magata Shiki" the word "She", that was refering to Magata's sister right? and this is my last thoughts, the mastermind is Magata Shiki's older sister from the very beginning. i don't why, but for some reason that thought just came into my mind after Saikawa said that. or maybe Magata didn't have any sister from the beginning ? or maybe the one who lived inside the room was actually Magata's daughter alone ? it's so confusing!!! i really can't wait for next week. sorry for bad english. |
YizelTroDec 11, 2015 1:52 PM
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danieltortoisee said: Wow. Did not expect everything to come together quite like that. So not only did Magata kill her own child, she also created a sister that never existed, disguised herself as her and became able to speak fluent English, all while watching a plan many, many years in the making come to fruition with such flawless ease. Ah, thank you. I was really confused by the "sister" killing the Uncle at the end. It makes complete sense now. |
| HEY! |
| Wow, they got everything wrapped up pretty well. Liked how Shiki was shown as a pure genius, even is it's sick and twisted. Best episode of the anime and can't wait for the final episode. 5/5 |
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| Everything is F my ass. It's Everything is F--ucking Child Abuse. Fuck you Magata Shiki. Your poor nameless child. Saikawa stop endorsing that psycho bitch. |
InugirlzDec 11, 2015 2:48 PM
| So, she literally did it for the "lulz" and "because she could." Woooooow.... |
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