Randoll_ said: Because two gay males is just gross, accept it and don't pretend to be pc. We get it, you're straight. No one cares. You don't have to insult gay people because you're insecure. |
Ptrico94 said: Boys like girls, girls like boys, girls feel comfortable around girls, but boys are usually competitive around each other and anal=poop This is not even close to being the truth,just saying,boys are not like that not even close. Girls are much more competitive,in looks,in relations,even around boys.The only thing we can be competitive about is sports/games that have nothing to do with this topic. |
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Randoll_ said: Fintan said: We get it, you're straight. No one cares. You don't have to insult gay people because you're insecure. Gay people are insulting themselves by being gay. No, I am not insecure and neither am I straight. Just confused? |
15poundfish said: Yaoi is just female rape fantasies with gorillas. Zuihou said: Yuri is just moeblobs rubbing each other. The saddest thing about this is that I can't deny neither of these statements. Japan doesn't nicely represent LGBT people in most media, thankfully there are some works of fiction that are very well made (they don't get famous in most cases but well). |
| Seeing two girls making out is hot Seeing two guys making out is gross Pretty simple In all seriousness, the two are generally stereotyped very differently. Yaoi tends to be all rape-y and stuff whereas yuri is mostly cute and innocent |
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AllenNoah said: Chiibi said: Yeah, NO. No type of love is any "purer" than another type. Such BS is that. Someone has never seen insect love. Truly the purest form there is. Why do you think we have the phrase "love bug?" There is no insect "love". XD They mate and then the female bites off the male's head and lays eggs in his dead body. XD |
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Chiibi said: AllenNoah said: Someone has never seen insect love. Truly the purest form there is. Why do you think we have the phrase "love bug?" There is no insect "love". XD They mate and then the female bites off the male's head and lays eggs in his dead body. XD To give up your own life for the one you love, what could be purer than that? :P Not wasps or anything that inject their eggs into their prey, though. That's just bug rape. |
| Because most people who watch anime in the west are male, and most males like lesbian things, but dislike gay things. |
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Milk_is_Special said: Implying lesbos aren't gayBecause most people who watch anime in the west are male, and most males like lesbian things, but dislike gay things. |
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HaXXspetten said: No I'm not. What I meant was gay as in Male x Male, and Lesbian as in Female x Female.Milk_is_Special said: Implying lesbos aren't gayBecause most people who watch anime in the west are male, and most males like lesbian things, but dislike gay things. |
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| I'm a girl and I like/write yuri but I'm not a lesbian. |
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AllenNoah said: Chiibi said: There is no insect "love". XD They mate and then the female bites off the male's head and lays eggs in his dead body. XD To give up your own life for the one you love, what could be purer than that? :P Not wasps or anything that inject their eggs into their prey, though. That's just bug rape. Bedbugs are also major rapists. D: They drill holes in their mates so they can't even move as they mate. this is a strange conversation on an anime forum lol |
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mayukachan said: Tevens said: Girls don't hate yuri because they're open minded.Yuri >> Girls hate it Yaoi >> Boys hate it ^ World/Reality/Anime Yuri has its routes in shoujo manga after all! The biggest yuri magazine in Japan is mostly read by girls as well. |
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| As a fujoshi, I often ask myself why the eff I actually like yaoi. -Firstly, yaoi has awfully huge height difference between uke and seme. -The uke looks feminine, the seme looks like a sex godzilla. -Yaoi hands omfg, why is that a thing? -"Hatred means love" doujins: yes, I'm clicking my tongue at you, Shizaya shippers. This is why I read BL and shounen ai. |
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| Yuri has more possibilities in anime. Thinking in Utena and Dear Brother for instance, in where the yuri undertones are linked with friendship and fit the tone of the series. Ikuhara once stated that male-female relationships capture the attention of the viewer way too much, while female-female are more subtle. At first I thought this was bullshit, but I see part of truth in that idea when put in practise. This doesn't happen with male-male relationships because they tend to be targeted to a very particular market, that use to be comprised by women that for some reason enjoys specifically this kind of genre (BL, etc.) and so they use to be more sexualized (not always, you'll find them saying that some are like normal romances) and undoubtedly less accessible for the overall viewer. |
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| Obviously the whole straight guys don't like it. But also cos there's a huge lack of decent yaoi animes. Theres 3 yuri anime this season and the only yaoi I've seen announced is about a dude and his 13yr old brother. However if we're talking about manga I don't go there. |
Lordwen said: This doesn't happen with male-male relationships... http://myanimelist.net/anime/13125/Shinsekai_yori http://myanimelist.net/anime/30/Neon_Genesis_Evangelion I have other examples if you want, that are like Utena. Lordwen said: Male/Male is just as subtle lol.Ikuhara once stated that male-female relationships capture the attention of the viewer way too much, while female-female are more subtle. At first I thought this was bullshit, but I see part of truth in that idea when put in practise. HikiMaru39 said: You need it to be announced first. It'll be likely since it's a Shingiku work.Oh yeah, will Sekaiichi Hatsukoi 3 ever be aired? I've waited for years man... Shuichi2 said: the only yaoi I've seen announced is about a dude and his 13yr old brother. uhhh idk if ur talking about super lovers or not but these two were also announced for early 2016, both i can confirm will be excellent series. (read the manga & has high hopes for director) http://myanimelist.net/anime/30346/ http://myanimelist.net/anime/31815/ |
MayukaDec 18, 2015 12:22 PM
Lordwen said: Ikuhara once stated that male-female relationships capture the attention of the viewer way too much, while female-female are more subtle. At first I thought this was bullshit, but I see part of truth in that idea when put in practise. That's pretty insightful. But imo at least from my experience yuri undertones are just annoying and feel like teases, and because they are subtle they don't make the motivations of certain characters quite logical or clear (i.e Madoka 3rd movie) |
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| I couldn't care less for both of this genres to be honest. Yuri anime can be cute, tho they're really boring... really boring. Yaoi seem like there's no... romance in them. Love Stage, one yaoi anime that I kinda understand why girls like it so much, but the rest are... meh. |
metsujinDec 18, 2015 12:30 PM
Mayuka said: uhhh idk if ur talking about super lovers or not but these two were also announced for early 2016, both i can confirm will be excellent series. (read the manga & has high hopes for director) http://myanimelist.net/anime/30346/ http://myanimelist.net/anime/31815/ Yup that's the one. (I actually did come across the manga a while back) And thanks, I hadn't heard of those. I'm glad it's not another season of junjou romantica/anything else by that author. |
metsujin said: It's kind of the opposite. The downside to BL series is that it's way too romance focused. :/ I wish more were like light LGBT series, like Aoi Hana, Wandering Son, Kono Danshi... etc.Yaoi seem like there's no... romance in them. psh you haven't even seen kono danshi Shuichi2 said: I'm glad too. LOLI'm glad it's not another season of junjou romantica/anything else by that author. |
Mayuka said: metsujin said: It's kind of the opposite. The downside to BL series is that it's way too romance focused. :/ I wish more were like light LGBT series, like Aoi Hana, Wandering Son, Kono Danshi... etc.Yaoi seem like there's no... romance in them. psh you haven't even seen kono danshi Shuichi2 said: I'm glad too. LOLI'm glad it's not another season of junjou romantica/anything else by that author. Huh, seen many people say some of them have a lot of abusive type of relationships or something of that sort... checked few BL series, can't say they really caught my eye, except for Love Stage. Same for yuri actually... maybe I should watch more of this... or not. |
Kotobukii said: Ooooh, I didn't know that. My kind of girls~ :pYuri has its routes in shoujo manga after all! The biggest yuri magazine in Japan is mostly read by girls as well. I tend to think yaoi is a lot more dramatic than yuri (I love both genres), but in the end it's just a romance story. However, I wish there were more stories that are shounen-ai but with some other focus, like there are shoujo-ai that actually have a plot other than falling in love>confessing>end. Also agree that straight girls are much more open to yuri than straight guys are to yaoi. |
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metsujin said: it's because they've only seen one or two series lolHuh, seen many people say some of them have a lot of abusive type of relationships or something of that sort... ak47 said: there's lotssss in manga but they never get animated ;_;However, I wish there were more stories that are shounen-ai doukyuusei is a good example. it'll be airing in feb 2016 |
| Aren't yaoi and yuri both targeted towards girls? |
| Because yuri doesn't involve putting organs involved in waste excretion inside of other organs involved in waste excretion. |
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MortalMelancholy said: Because yuri doesn't involve putting organs involved in waste excretion inside of other organs involved in waste excretion. It has fingers though. |
AltoRoark99 said: MortalMelancholy said: Because yuri doesn't involve putting organs involved in waste excretion inside of other organs involved in waste excretion. It has fingers though. Still not as bad or as graphic. |
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tsudecimo said: Eh, I'd say at this point it's really just a matter of personal experience, because I believe there are quite a few examples of anime/manga that have yuri undertones which aren't detrimental to the characters in the way you described. Not that I know a lot of them, but I do have some counter-examples in mind: Lordwen said: Ikuhara once stated that male-female relationships capture the attention of the viewer way too much, while female-female are more subtle. At first I thought this was bullshit, but I see part of truth in that idea when put in practise. That's pretty insightful. But imo at least from my experience yuri undertones are just annoying and feel like teases, and because they are subtle they don't make the motivations of certain characters quite logical or clear (i.e Madoka 3rd movie) -Utena and Anthy in the TV series (I've seen some fans deny the romantic/sexual aspect of their relationship more than once, even though the movie completely debunks the theory that they weren't gay for each other) -Neptune and Uranus in Sailor Moon (as well as a few other relationships with homosexual undertones) -Saber and Irisviel in F/0 : very subtle and not really romantic (then again romance is not 100% necessary in yuri) but doesn't detract either characters from the role they're being given in the story. etc. I suppose. MortalMelancholy said: But straight stuff can (and as a matter of fact does) have it too.Because yuri doesn't involve putting organs involved in waste excretion inside of other organs involved in waste excretion. |
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Sapewloth said: tsudecimo said: Eh, I'd say at this point it's really just a matter of personal experience, because I believe there are quite a few examples of anime/manga that have yuri undertones which aren't in detrimental to the characters in the way you described. Not that I know a lot of them, but I do have some counter-examples in mind: That's pretty insightful. But imo at least from my experience yuri undertones are just annoying and feel like teases, and because they are subtle they don't make the motivations of certain characters quite logical or clear (i.e Madoka 3rd movie) -Utena and Anthy in the TV series (I've seen some fans deny the romantic/sexual aspect of their relationship more than once, even though the movie completely debunks the theory that they weren't gay for each other) -Neptune and Uranus in Sailor Moon (as well as a few other relationships with homosexual undertones) -Saber and Irisviel in F/0 : very subtle and not really romantic (then again romance is not 100% necessary in yuri) but doesn't detract either characters from the role they're being given in the story. etc. I suppose. Yeah, also for me it's definitely a personal preference. One of the reasons why I dropped Utena was because I didn't care or want to see yuri stuff the yuri interest of Utena in particular seemed like the type of character I would find annoying. Along with how Utena the characters and the male antagonists seem to be the reverse of their stereotypical gender roles. Iris and Saber o_o Tbh, I've never seen them like this. Sure Saber looked like a Knight that always escorted Iris, but I didn't feel it was more than friendship and mutual respect, not to mention that Iris was in love with Kerry. Very subtle indeed and proves your point about it not being detrimental to the characters. But how can yuri be non-romantic? I can understand platonic counting but non-romantic as well? About your SnK example. This is exactly what I actually want to happen. In contrast to Madoka, their relationship is much more clearer, and especially considering the world they live in, it only makes their desire to protect each other that much believable. I don't even consider it an undertone, it's pretty much canon like you said. That a good example of Yuri outside a yuri series, one that I don't have a problem with, but I think is good. |
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| I like yuri 'cause I like girls so that'd be a given. That being said, though, I'm still waiting for a yuri show that I'll be able to speak of as a great one. Mangas are a whole different story, but you have to look past the "made by straight males to other straight males" ones. As for yaoi, I'm indifferent. Never had any interest in watching/reading it, but I don't really mind. The only thing that really annoys me is the amount of fujoshi you find in any fanbase of any popular sports anime series (Kuroko no Basket, Haikyuu!!, Free!, you name it). I mean, talking about their ships and how everyone is gay is all they ever do. You wanna talk about the plot, the characters development, anything of the sort? Forget that. |
AltoRoark99 said: not modern yuri anime.Aren't yaoi and yuri both targeted towards girls? MortalMelancholy said: implying LGBT shows involve sexual contentStill not as bad or as graphic. slicesofcake said: They do thoughThe only thing that really annoys me is the amount of fujoshi you find in any fanbase of any popular sports anime series (Kuroko no Basket, Haikyuu!!, Free!, you name it). I mean, talking about their ships and how everyone is gay is all they ever do. You wanna talk about the plot, the characters development, anything of the sort? Forget that. They probably emphasize character development more than any fan If you read doujins (the non sexual ones) and fanfiction, you'd be surprised by how well written they are I'm amazed how female fans (esp fujoshi) can make a simple shounen sausagefest show into something really complex and well written |
Mayuka said: MortalMelancholy said: implying LGBT shows involve sexual contentStill not as bad or as graphic. Both "Yaoi" and "Yuri" imply it (to me, at least). As opposed to "Shounen Ai" and "Shoujo Ai." |
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MortalMelancholy said: That's not what they mean thoughMayuka said: implying LGBT shows involve sexual content Both "Yaoi" and "Yuri" imply it (to me, at least). As opposed to "Shounen Ai" and "Shoujo Ai." The best BL manga I've read so far is tagged as "Yaoi" but it barely has any sexual content. (See my top 10 fave manga) |
| 1. Most viewers are males, and males don't like to watch gay men. 2. Yaoi contains a lot more rape, or at least a lot more emotional abuse. No idea why. 3. The yaoi fanbase has a reputation for being annoying or aggressive, and that puts many people off on the genre. Fangirs who ship and two guys who have ever exchanged a greeting are annoying as all hell. |
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Mayuka said: slicesofcake said: They do thoughThe only thing that really annoys me is the amount of fujoshi you find in any fanbase of any popular sports anime series (Kuroko no Basket, Haikyuu!!, Free!, you name it). I mean, talking about their ships and how everyone is gay is all they ever do. You wanna talk about the plot, the characters development, anything of the sort? Forget that. They probably emphasize character development more than any fan If you read doujins (the non sexual ones) and fanfiction, you'd be surprised by how well written they are I'm amazed how female fans (esp fujoshi) can make a simple shounen sausagefest show into something really complex and well written Really? Well, maybe I could try reading them sometime. I'm just talking about what I've seen on Twitter, for example. Whenever there's a new episode of Haikyuu!!, everyone (who's fujoshi) is talking about how Akaashi and Bokuto are so gay for each other, who's uke and who's seme, or about Kenma and Kuroo, or Hinata and Kageyama... but it's always about the ships, how they're gay, how they should be together. No one talks about their character development, especially between Hinata and Kageyama. That's why I got that impression. |
slicesofcake said: Oh god hahaMayuka said: They do though They probably emphasize character development more than any fan If you read doujins (the non sexual ones) and fanfiction, you'd be surprised by how well written they are I'm amazed how female fans (esp fujoshi) can make a simple shounen sausagefest show into something really complex and well written Really? Well, maybe I could try reading them sometime. I'm just talking about what I've seen on Twitter, for example. Whenever there's a new episode of Haikyuu!!, everyone (who's fujoshi) is talking about how Akaashi and Bokuto are so gay for each other, who's uke and who's seme, or about Kenma and Kuroo, or Hinata and Kageyama... but it's always about the ships, how they're gay, how they should be together. No one talks about their character development, especially between Hinata and Kageyama. That's why I got that impression. I know a lot of fujos on MAL (probably most of my female friends are one on some degree) and they tend to overestimate these shows, as in find things about the show that normal viewers don't find. With shows with young/cute males and females (Haikyuu!! or Love Live), there's gonna be tons of "oh they're so gay" comments from both genders. I don't really mind at this point. |
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Mayuka said: slicesofcake said: Oh god hahaReally? Well, maybe I could try reading them sometime. I'm just talking about what I've seen on Twitter, for example. Whenever there's a new episode of Haikyuu!!, everyone (who's fujoshi) is talking about how Akaashi and Bokuto are so gay for each other, who's uke and who's seme, or about Kenma and Kuroo, or Hinata and Kageyama... but it's always about the ships, how they're gay, how they should be together. No one talks about their character development, especially between Hinata and Kageyama. That's why I got that impression. I know a lot of fujos on MAL (probably most of my female friends are one on some degree) and they tend to overestimate these shows, as in find things about the show that normal viewers don't find. With shows with young/cute males and females (Haikyuu!! or Love Live), there's gonna be tons of "oh they're so gay" comments from both genders. I don't really mind at this point. You got a point there. Guess I just gotta follow new people who are actually interested in talking about the show rather than just their ships. :P I don't have a problem with shipping in itself, everyone should ship whatever they like (I have my fanon ships too), I just dislike it when people reduce the whole work to what they ship. It's almost as if there's no story if you take out their ships. |
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